Are Technical/Progressive Death Metal, Technical/Progressive Thrash or any other Technical Metal the most difficult ones? What about Brutal Death Metal and Black/Death(War Metal)? Does BDM have a more complex song structure compared with ordinary Death Metal? (I don't mean Technical/Brutal Death Metal bands, just pure BDM like Disgorge(California))

Id say the fact that disembowelment is so amazing at composing super dense slow stuff proves they have way too much talent in general

Id say doom is the most challenging I think because it's oh so simple on the surface but I'd argue that's why it's a lot harder to be as effective, if something is so bare that it reveals it's true power by every note heard you better make sure those notes are absolutely plotted out the possible best.

It's also easier to hear flaws which is useful for really zeroing in on problems with flow and shit like that

I also find black metal to be deceptively simple as well It almost makes it worse when it's unremarkable like you have all the fucking tools right in front of you and you still fucked it up, that's just laziness to me

And it's not really hard to bullshit a technical song out of your ass and claim it was all intentional that's so easy, and unfortunately it's even easier to convince people that you're sophisticated as a result

Basically just don't be cheap

Id say to OP that question about is BDM being more technical than regular death metal really says that you could be bullshitted easier, so id say for your own good you oughta think a little deeper about that

Of course just being ridiculous and needlessly technical and complicated is satisfying in and of itself sometimes because it actually requires no real thought to do even effectively, I think it's actually easier to spot the quality stuff, if it sounds intentional it probably is if it's real aimless chances are they didn't put thought into it or really believe the fans wouldn't be able to tell the difference idk id take that as more of a insult than anything

I agree with most of your points; Doom Metal is a tough genre to get right and even some of the best still don't always nail it. In lesser hands, it's just slow music with boring and/or ineffective riffs. Or, sadly all too often, the songs end up as a collection of the same retread Sabbath riffs that have already been used a thousand times by a thousand different bands.

And I would agree that often times, when bands claim they are being "Technical" I would instead argue it's just "Bad Songwriting." In other words, songs where the riffs don't flow together, or the transitions between various riffs and tempo changes are either non-existent or just poorly done, or songs that are just "Riff salad"- a million different riffs, chord and tempo changes thrown together but none of it sticks in your head. This is a common pet peeve of mine with a lot of death metal, actually. But "Technical Thrash" bands are just as guilty of this issue as well.

Yeah idk people fall for it because oh don't you think it's impressive that this song changes so many times, id argue if you notice that immediately that should tell you it's not really written well or at the very least is selling a gimmick to stick out

As far as playing goes, in my experience, I struggled the most with technical stuff and if speed is added to that it's even more tough. But, as others have said, playing really slow is also hard. With my former band we had one song that went into the really slow death/doom territory and it was perhaps top-3 of our songs to make sound really tight and good. When the music i slower there is no room for any error - everything can be heard.

Ultra slow stuff like Khanate is really really hard to play. Sure, technical stuff is hard too but it's the kind of stuff you can just repeat ad nauseam.

If you change the tempo, the mood or whatever else a few times it's unpredictable, but do it all the time and it circles back to being predictable.

Try playing Electric Wizard vs Behold the Arctopus and see which is harder to play.

I might add grind core into this mix cuz I think human remains and nuclear death are both too related to not count as part of it overall but man those bands both just show me a lot of the other stuff with short punky style fast shit is just really underdeveloped when it doesn't need to be.

I've never gotten angry at the fact that I'm getting payed way too little and thought ok I'm gonna make 3 riffs and then I'm gonna record it 42 times, that'll piss em off, yeah it will but not in the way you'd hope

Haha, "Riff Salad". That has to be a song by SOMEONE right?? Hahah.
Whenever I'm composing, I try not to have ALL my 'riffs' in the same song because I feel like I could create more if I 'spread 'em out'.
I'm no professional by any means but I like to jam.

To the question from OP: Guess it depends on the talent level and tempo. Thy mentioned doom which is something I never paid attention too. It makes sense that playing at that tempo can really expose a mistake or non savory abilities. But so can playing at 250bpm. Can anyone go off topi and suggest some good doom? Something like Daylight Dies?

Good doom: SubRosa (and their newer band Otolith), Reverend Bizarre, Candlemass, and some of the earlier Electric Wizard albums are my tops in the doom genre. Not sure if you could count Neurosis as a "Doom metal" band but plenty of the elements are there in their music.

I'm sorry, but I think this is very silly. The most difficult thing to compose is the thing that the composer finds most difficult to compose. And why would you think of it in terms of genre of music? I guess in that case the one he'd find most difficult to do convincingly is the one he's got least experience with.
But I don't think most musicians would really think in this fashion. They'd be more likely to think, "oh, that song was very difficult to write and we can hardly perform it without falling apart", or "that album was an arduous process". As for techniques and theoretical knowledge, it's something that comes with practice and dedication. Schooling might help some. But it wouldn't help them make a better punk record, probably. And almost nobody performs too well with the assistance of alcohol, but it can still be pretty fun.

This.

Now close the thread.

Yep.

Don't you think you could apply similar compositional concepts to different genres especially cuz it's the same instrumentation

Like you can build intensity by playing something, then you kinda go backwards and reverse the scale but then you can go super fast again or slow down like idk I'm not a real composer I can't read shit I just mean don't you think you can really take simple principles of how stuff should go together and then just change the notes and rhythm and feeling to something completely different but it still kinda uses the same general way of evolving

Idk hopefully someone knows what I mean I'm not good at explaining how I play or anything it's better to sit and show someone

kiitos....going to get on these