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Slater922
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:46 pm 
 

Surprised no one has talked about this one on here.

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Dawn Ray'd is finished. This band has not stopped for 8 years, we were touring before we even had any music recorded, we have toured further afield than we ever imagined; we have spoken about ideas of anarchism and liberation at every show we have ever played, given out thousands of copies of Beyond Chaos in merch orders and at shows, we have tried our best to attack fascism in this scene head on at every opportunity we have had, we have tried to use every platform, every moment possible to spread these ideas.
We are at a point where Dawn Ray’d is no longer the right vessel for us to express ourselves creatively or politically and we have said what we needed to say in places that hopefully needed to hear it.
All shows from today will be cancelled, and we sincerely apologise for that.
Thank you to anyone who cared about this and every wonderful person we have met, we have loved doing it.
All money and future merch orders will be donated to Sea Watch, and all cash will be given to Liverpool Migrant Solidarity Network.
See you in the streets!


Such a shame. Their latest album was quite a banger. Wish all members the best of luck in the future.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:41 pm 
 

nice, finally some good news.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:49 pm 
 

Being vehemently anti-fascist in the BM scene and actually matching your message with actual organizing efforts can lead to burn out. I completely sympathize.

To Know The Light is such a great, great album so they go out on a high note. And I await what new music eventually appears in any other projects.

We're not talking about this because we didn't know about it. Hard to keep up with bands dissolving these days unless there's controversy attached and then social media will throw it in your face.

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nice, finally some good news.


Speak for your lonely sad self.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:59 am 
 

Shame, we need more bands with their kind of message and authenticity for sure. Good band. I ought to try their old work finally, the new one is really good.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:03 am 
 

This is a very good example of a band with a message I can get behing but the music was always so underwhelming.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:15 am 
 

HisZvironistOverlord wrote:
nice, finally some good news.


Imagine telling on yourself on such a big website.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:30 am 
 

Like every band that values politics more highly than music (and the post announcing their disbandment leaves little doubt about that), their output was formulaic and pretty vacuous, ultimately.

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Metal_On_The_Ascendant
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:20 pm 
 

Lichtung002 wrote:
Like every band that values politics more highly than music (and the post announcing their disbandment leaves little doubt about that), their output was formulaic and pretty vacuous, ultimately.


Like every band? Is there a special formula for these bands? Dawn Ray'd were playing pretty serviceable atmospheric black metal but without the frills. And vacuous is such a laughable adjective to throw at a band whose lyricism was centered on history and politics and delivered in the typical fiery manner of black metal.

Y'all like to smugly appraise shit you've only given cursory attention. It's transparent and pretentious.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:48 pm 
 

Yeah I mean it's explicitly protest art. The message is inherently important and vital to understanding it - not a new thing.

Like I said, we could use more bands who have actual good, activist messages like this. Break the mold and fuck the system. For all the right wing jackasses talking about metal being too PC or whatever, this band's lyrics are really what I want to see more of, unabashed, bold, etc.

Music kills too, I think. Hard as fuck riffs, brilliant writing, good mellow atmospheric parts that blend well. I dig it.
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Ivan Drago
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:31 pm 
 

Didn't know about any of their politics, I always just ignored them because of the stupid name

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LordOblivion
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:15 pm 
 

HisZvironistOverlord wrote:
nice, finally some good news.


Lol.

They did give us some pretty cringe worthy videos that will bring entertainment for all for years and years and years. That ribbon twirling was c.o.m.e.d.y.

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Metal_On_The_Ascendant
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:38 pm 
 

LordOblivion wrote:
HisZvironistOverlord wrote:
nice, finally some good news.


Lol.

They did give us some pretty cringe worthy videos that will bring entertainment for all for years and years and years. That ribbon twirling was c.o.m.e.d.y.


This video is cool. I like it.



The only c.o.m.e.d.y. I could possibly derive was from the wounded comments making the point that these guys' politics and unbrutal image hurts their feelings but disguised as edgy shit like "Crap music like this makes me wanna join a NSBM band and I'm not even white".

There's TONS way more terrible metal videos btw.
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HisZvironistOverlord
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:44 pm 
 

LordOblivion wrote:
HisZvironistOverlord wrote:
nice, finally some good news.


Lol.

They did give us some pretty cringe worthy videos that will bring entertainment for all for years and years and years. That ribbon twirling was c.o.m.e.d.y.


Hahaha I didn't even know about the ribbon video, but now I feel even more justified in my flippant comment.

Anyways, I just can't get over that a project run by a bunch of anarchists fell apart.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:57 pm 
 

Like I said before, imagine using such a big website to tell on yourself this way.
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VaderCrush
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:48 pm 
 

What a shitty band name

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agent_fist
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:34 pm 
 

Unfortunately, this video leaves pretty obvious openings for the haters. The signs look cheap and sloppy, and the rules of the fiction get confused when the other actors are in the scene with the band. The lighting in the central warehouse scene lacks drama, so anyone wearing all-black and masks is going to look a little silly. That said, looking silly is a fundamental tenet of black metal, so hating on the band based on their image looks like a tell to me, too.

So much black metal emerges from a cry against injustice and oppression. Capitalism, white supremacy, homophobia, racism etc. are very real vectors of oppression with real consequences in day-to-day life, and if you believe that black metal is a weapon for liberation, you ought to help point it against our everyday oppressors. It's a dangerous misdirection to turn your rhetoric of liberation and justice into hatred for the other (Jews, immigrants, the usual suspects).

Music is pretty good. Not outstanding, but far better than some posters in the thread are willing to admit.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:47 pm 
 

agent_fist wrote:
Unfortunately, this video leaves pretty obvious openings for the haters. The signs look cheap and sloppy, and the rules of the fiction get confused when the other actors are in the scene with the band. The lighting in the central warehouse scene lacks drama, so anyone wearing all-black and masks is going to look a little silly. That said, looking silly is a fundamental tenet of black metal, so hating on the band based on their image looks like a tell to me, too.

So much black metal emerges from a cry against injustice and oppression. Capitalism, white supremacy, homophobia, racism etc. are very real vectors of oppression with real consequences in day-to-day life, and if you believe that black metal is a weapon for liberation, you ought to help point it against our everyday oppressors. It's a dangerous misdirection to turn your rhetoric of liberation and justice into hatred for the other (Jews, immigrants, the usual suspects).

Music is pretty good. Not outstanding, but far better than some posters in the thread are willing to admit.


The video is fun and unserious like a ton of metal videos tend to be. Agreed with looking silly being part and parcel of the black metal aesthetic.

Not agreeing with black metal on a whole being a cry against injustice. It's always the American and UK bands that tend to lean towards a progressive anarchic message. The old school Norwegian/Finnish/Polish etc. shite is usually nationalistic and reactionary if they tackle politics as a theme at all. They have no understanding for larger political themes of the real world outside their freezing cold woods or whatever.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:16 pm 
 

agent_fist wrote:
So much black metal emerges from a cry against injustice and oppression.


I mean, not really. Maybe a tiny sliver, at least in terms of the "vectors" you are talking about later in your post.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:32 pm 
 

I was never that impressed by their music, but a lot of people liked them and I liked their message and sincerity so it's a little disappointing that they won't be around as a band anymore.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:30 am 
 

Fucking bummer, was looking forward to seeing them live for the second time. They put on an intense show the first time around. The Unlawful Assembly is fine, pretty decent black metal, but their live performance left a more significant positive impression.

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Why? It's pretty cool if you ask me, in that early modern period English poetry kind of way, and it's all too fitting re: the concept.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:48 am 
 

LMAO@that video and comment section...Did they have the dancers twirling streamers and umbrellas on stage with them at live shows too?

Honestly, black metal music does have its fair share of cringe worthy videos, but for me that one takes the cake,... and I will always remember it for that. I mean, you gotta be completely dense, especially in this day and age, not to think that was going to bring some ridicule. Especially when they are clearly trying so hard to convey "their message".

Doesn't help that the music is also mediocre at best. Ooof!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:16 am 
 

Always good to have bands in the scene pushing back against far right elements so they get a thumbs up from me there. But, they were kinda cringe in their own right espousing anarchism as the solution to very real problems. But it comes with the extreme metal territory I suppose. You're not gonna create this type of music spurred on by your passion of social democracy, electoral politics, and incrementalism..
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:30 am 
 

As the usual metal chuds usually say, metal is "just about the riffs bro" which is obviously false, but at the same time kind of true? I'm very into the message Dawn Ray'd has been putting through with their albums but it's just that the music was never that great to my ears for me to engage with the rest of what the band has had to say.

With that said, I do admire the dedication and energy with which they have been broadcasting over the years in the face of the most harebrained and emotionally butthurt attempts at criticism, as even exemplified by a couple commentators in this very thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:05 am 
 

I heard that the guitar player's cousins was caught in a photo standing next to a guy that had been seen wearing a Burzum shirt in the past, it makes sense why they had to just call it quits. Can't be taking risks like that.

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Oh no a gimmick band broke up....anyway.

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And nothing of value was lost.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:05 pm 
 

I'm not a big fan of the band. I've listened to their albums a few times and it's all pretty decent stuff. However, it is sad to see a militant band like Dawn Ray'd go. With all the far right crap in black metal, and all the handwaving and carelessness of so many black metal fans towards the very real damages caused by neonazism, fascism, white supremacism, capitalism, etc. It's always nice to see people fighting the good fight, even if I don't align with all their anarchist views.

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Wow not sure why so many people have vocally come out to jeer a random band like this splitting up, which was fairly new and in a niche of sorts. Curious, I'm sure it's all just regular good faith talk there.
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Just because something has good intentions, or in this case, good ideology put behind it, doesn't make it good. Most gimmick bands rely on the gimmick moreso than relying on the quality of music. If anything, it makes it a bigger target for criticism when it falls flat on it's face because it's so contrived.

E.g. every christian black metal band.
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Empyreal wrote:
Wow not sure why so many people have vocally come out to jeer a random band like this splitting up, which was fairly new and in a niche of sorts. Curious, I'm sure it's all just regular good faith talk there.


In my experience, most black metal fans tend to be edgelords that loathe antifascists because they worry all their fave bands with awful regressive views are being "canceled". It's not surprising in the least that Dawn Ray'd would get this kind of hate, but they've also gotten a lot of support so it's whatever.
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Probably because bands like this are lightning rods and inherently confrontational/annoying, keen on "attacking" elements of the scene, as put in their own statement.

Fwiw I mostly think the acoustic elements are lame and think the idea of grown men being anarchists is goofy. But I actually think the band name is kinda cool, someone called it early modern English looking and I agree.

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Kutulu wrote:
Just because something has good intentions, or in this case, good ideology put behind it, doesn't make it good. Most gimmick bands rely on the gimmick moreso than relying on the quality of music. If anything, it makes it a bigger target for criticism when it falls flat on it's face because it's so contrived.

E.g. every christian black metal band.


You defining it as gimmick doesn't make it so. Dawn Ray'd's quality of music wasn't egregious by any standards. It may not have been the most mind blowing stuff but no one would call it crappy in a subgenre that has given us so much bedroom metal crap, be fucking for real. They're also not the first extreme metal band to be overtly antifascist.
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I don't know - just seems like hard left bands have a steeper hill to climb with a lot of people. "Grown men being anarchists," eh well use whatever terms you want, they are against the current system and I like that much at least. They are genuinely aware of the real issues in the world and it's important.

The music is really good to me. I guess opinions vary. It's weird to me that Batushka got so much praise while this seems to leave more people lukewarm; this is much more interesting to me purely just on the music alone. The riffs are good, the production suits them and accentuates them, and the writing feels forceful and elemental. I really dig it.
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I thought they got better with each successive record; this year's album being the strongest. I also appreciated the conviction behind the delivery and liked how they wove the folksy/atmospheric bits. Panopticon is an easy comparison for the ethos but the approach was way, way different.
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HisZvironistOverlord wrote:
Probably because bands like this are lightning rods and inherently confrontational/annoying, keen on "attacking" elements of the scene, as put in their own statement.


Please explain to us why it's a bad thing that bands within a scene that is saturated with fascists, neonazis and white supremacists would stand up against oppression?

HisZvironistOverlord wrote:
Fwiw I mostly think the acoustic elements are lame and think the idea of grown men being anarchists is goofy. But I actually think the band name is kinda cool, someone called it early modern English looking and I agree.


You know that Anarchism is an actual political philosophy, with a very useful analytical framework to observe and document the sources of many oppressions, as well as social, economical and cultural inequalities, right? While I don't adhere with a lot of their proposed solutions, they make very valid points. Have you ever read writers like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Mikhail Bakunin or Emma Goldman?

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Empyreal wrote:
I don't know - just seems like hard left bands have a steeper hill to climb with a lot of people. "Grown men being anarchists," eh well use whatever terms you want, they are against the current system and I like that much at least. They are genuinely aware of the real issues in the world and it's important.


Maybe, but I'd say they also get a sort of protected status where not supporting them or making fun of them is seen as bad faith. I could make fun of Striker until the cows come home (like everyone else is doing in that thread) whereas when I make fun of Dawn Ray'd I get aspersions of "telling on my self" or arguments that at least they're tackling "real issues."

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It's just suspicious when this many people come out of the woodwork all of a sudden out of nowhere when I'd just heard a little here or there before this. The people saying "the music doesn't do it for me" are one thing but it was odd to see all of the comments just mocking them for vague unspecific reasons or in your case, insinuating that being outside this death trap of a system we have is juvenile or something. But yes obviously nobody has to like anything they don't like.
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Empyreal wrote:
Wow not sure why so many people have vocally come out to jeer a random band like this splitting up, which was fairly new and in a niche of sorts. Curious, I'm sure it's all just regular good faith talk there.


I'm happy whenever one of the hipster tabloid metal bands break up. Those types of bands suck. This band was a gimmick. Their music wasn't good enough to stand on its own.

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How the hell was it a gimmick? I never see this stuff in any of the dozens of threads that come up about the far right bands.
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Empyreal wrote:
How the hell was it a gimmick? I never see this stuff in any of the dozens of threads that come up about the far right bands.


They admitted they were gimmick? They more or less stated that the music was secondary in the statemet they issued about breaking up. Hipster tabloid bands like that are annoying. They would have never been popular without doing a bunch of interviews with every shitty metal website and youtube channel and doing corny college lectures and taking every opportunity to slap an anarchy symbol on their instagram page. Bands like that want to turn metal into pop music where the music is secondary and everything is about clickbait articles on the internet to sell t shirts. They claim to be anarchist but clearly hired a press person, signed to a big label, and quit their jobs to be a band? Theres plenty of DIY/Anarchist bands actually out there doing it without all the fluff.

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