Some. But I think a lot of NSBM bands are also black metal fans and care about their music and didn't do everything as some weird scheme to get popular.

Nazi trash does not deserve any respect. Fuck off.

Because the answer you gave makes it clear where your sympathies lie... no point in continuing to go back and forth with the debate at this point. I think it's clear where your comments were coming from - if not outright fascism then a vacuous bullshit ideology where "caring about black metal" supersedes anything else which is just laughable to me.

They played black metal because of the fans, not the music. They literally said that. Obviously a band gets a lot bigger than a zine. They were making money off a gimmick. They wanted to quit their jobs and live their little rockstar dreams. It's not like they broke up to go home and rejoin the working class, contribute to labor, and start a self-sustaining commune. They broke up because their gimmick band ran out of money most likely.

Yes I understand Dawn Ray'd threw fundraisers. My old bands played/organized some of those too. I doubt they are going home to form a self sustaining commune. They are a bunch of college kids that went to some protests and got "radicalized". I've met thousand of these people. Their was shallow and won't sustain the test of time. They also almost DEFINITELY have reasons for breaking up that they didn't say considering they cancelled an entire tour and fucked over a bunch of other people and bands. I mean, I know people that are supposed to play with them next month and travelled from a different continent. Unless they are just shitty people that don't care about doing that.

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Yeah but I mean a lot of centrist politicians don't even support that stuff either; it's just slightly preferable to the outright fascist stuff. That's why it's all pretty fucked.

Yes I understand Dawn Ray'd threw fundraisers. My old bands played/organized some of those too. I doubt they are going home to form a self sustaining commune.

Look I'm all for peope putting their money where their mouth is but to expect a couple dudes playing in a black metal band to start a self sustaining commune is just dumb.. And as Metal_On_The_Ascendant said, Dawn Ray'd were involved in real time organizing and they're donating all incoming money and merch orders to organizations they support. Unless you're gonna give us info saying they're secret millionaires they were doing more than enough.

It's not my fault Gelal could throw his guitar at a wall and a better riff would come out than anything Dawn Ray'd ever recorded. I didn't do that. I'm not God.

Is it?

I just don't think that's true. I think there are more than enough differences between the democrats and republicans to make the democrats vastly preferable beyond the fact that the republicans are headed by an actual fascist. The reason progress on these issues is slow or even backwards is because your country's congress is gridlocked, and the way to change that is to get more democrats elected.

Ew. Why would you fellate Gelal, of all the assholes. He's a sour-looking ugly dude.

So non-extremists using an extremist ideology as a gimmick to get popular, quit their jobs, go on tour, and live their rockstar dreams you say? They were probably contributing way more to labor before they were a band.

It's worth a try. There's just too much corporatism and cronyism that it's all quite slow. It's not completely hopeless but I also don't think real change is going to happen at the top. I think it's important to do mutual aid and just have our own communities. Look out for shit on the smallest levels and do the work in bits and pieces.

I mean we're talking here like if there was a lot of money or clout to be made playing a fringe style of music, with lyrics about fucking anarchism in a scene widely known to be more than tolerant to far right bullshit. As a scheme to get popular I agree this would be weird as fuck yeah.

Unfortunately, this video leaves pretty obvious openings for the haters. The signs look cheap and sloppy, and the rules of the fiction get confused when the other actors are in the scene with the band. The lighting in the central warehouse scene lacks drama, so anyone wearing all-black and masks is going to look a little silly. That said, looking silly is a fundamental tenet of black metal, so hating on the band based on their image looks like a tell to me, too.

So much black metal emerges from a cry against injustice and oppression. Capitalism, white supremacy, homophobia, racism etc. are very real vectors of oppression with real consequences in day-to-day life, and if you believe that black metal is a weapon for liberation, you ought to help point it against our everyday oppressors. It's a dangerous misdirection to turn your rhetoric of liberation and justice into hatred for the other (Jews, immigrants, the usual suspects).

Music is pretty good. Not outstanding, but far better than some posters in the thread are willing to admit.

I hate the "the only reason anyone is talking about it this much because they are obviously fascist" argument. It's a cop out. You are on a metal discussion forum.

Because he wrote Mocking the Philanthropist and Judeobeast Assassination

Because he wrote Mocking the Philanthropist and Judeobeast Assassination

Unfortunately, this video leaves pretty obvious openings for the haters. The signs look cheap and sloppy, and the rules of the fiction get confused when the other actors are in the scene with the band. The lighting in the central warehouse scene lacks drama, so anyone wearing all-black and masks is going to look a little silly. That said, looking silly is a fundamental tenet of black metal, so hating on the band based on their image looks like a tell to me, too.

So much black metal emerges from a cry against injustice and oppression. Capitalism, white supremacy, homophobia, racism etc. are very real vectors of oppression with real consequences in day-to-day life, and if you believe that black metal is a weapon for liberation, you ought to help point it against our everyday oppressors. It's a dangerous misdirection to turn your rhetoric of liberation and justice into hatred for the other (Jews, immigrants, the usual suspects).

Music is pretty good. Not outstanding, but far better than some posters in the thread are willing to admit.

Anyone that thinks the only reason everyone hates Dawn Ray'd is because of their politics is lying to themselves. A couple years ago half of Summoning came out as supporting pretty leftist causes and the black metal scene didn't even bat an eye. The reason people don't like Dawn Ray'd is that they are way too annoying and prominent for a band that sounds so bad and they had an ego about it. But also, the band made it clear that the music aspect of the band was the least important part, so I think it's also fair to hate them for reasons that aren't musical. The music didn't even matter to them. Also to people asking why everyone isn't alslo hating on NSBM that's nothing but blatant propaganda, they do all of the time and have for decades. That's just not the topic of this thread.

I doubt they are going home to form a self sustaining commune. They are a bunch of college kids that went to some protests and got "radicalized".

Here comes the "you criticize society yet you participate in it" meme again.

Man, how do you even take yourself seriously?

I didn't make being an anarchist my entire identity and then not attempt to live by its ideals.

Don't you think it also maybe depends on your means? If I'm a multi-millionare and my whole public persona is being an anarchist and then I don't do anything proportional like setting up a commune then yes, calling me out would be fine. A regular person with regular wealth should be beholden to the same proportional standard no?

Don't you think it also maybe depends on your means? If I'm a multi-millionare and my whole public persona is being an anarchist and then I don't do anything proportional like setting up a commune then yes, calling me out would be fine. A regular person with regular wealth should be beholden to the same proportional standard no?

But black metal is kind of like that, I will never understand why you guys like hundreds of bands that sound the same. We fans of death metal really don't have that issue.

Wait... what?

After four pages of this thread, I came to the conclusion that I must hear this band to understand what is the fuzz about. I read the discussion, but to me at least, the band sounds like an average black metal band, with some atmospheric touches here and there and some interesting clean vocals songs more on the folk side, which I am gladly surprised to hear.

I am listening to their first album The Unlawful Assembly (2017), and it sounds good. I already said it in the unpopular opinions thread, but I have to say it again I am not the biggest black metal fan, all the bands sound really similar to each other that's a problem of this genre. But man the only different thing between this band and the other black metal bands is that if you read the lyrics, and I say read because all the shrieks and screams really don't let you understand what the singer is saying, you will read a lot of left-wing ideas, which are pretty uncommon on the black metal genre because most bands lyrics are pretty satanic and antichristian or right-wing pagan racism and such.

But besides that, it's just another black metal band, I don't think it deserves 4 pages of a thread, but I understand that the discussion went more on the political side of things rather than the music, which is pretty average, to be honest, nothing too groundbreaking or different than others black metal bands. But black metal is kind of like that, I will never understand why you guys like hundreds of bands that sound the same. We fans of death metal really don't have that issue.

Saying that the melodic folk parts of the album, are pretty cool, that's the best thing that this band has and the one thing that differentiates it from the rest. Black metal is at it's best when is melodic and can transmit emotion, sadness, and anger and is a vehicle for expression.

I have to listen to more black metal. Back in the day, I loved stuff like Impaled Nazarene, Watain, and Gorgoroth. But I don't know, after a while all the bands that played that style started to sound pretty similar to each other at least for my ears. With death metal that never happened to me, always is a genre that kept expanding and reaching new territories, that would explain why is still one of the most popular genres today.

Batushka and Deafheaven were the last black metal bands that made say oh this is a little bit different from the rest.