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MapleKit wrote:

My opinion is that it sucks. I'm probably the minority, but I like it that way.

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ooh, you're quite the iconoclast, aren't you?

It isnt really a minority though. Plenty of people consider Darkthrone's death metal work to be their best releases. Then again, those are mainly the people who dislike their rockish/crust punk approach to BM. With such a conflicting discography its not that hard to understand why they don't want to cater to fans.

Or it could be talked to death. There are plenty of people who like Metallica's Load-era work, despite the disdain towards it. Do we still talk about it frequently? Not really.

Well, to be fair, their black metal work has had more influence on a genre than their death metal work. And I wasnt saying Darkthrone's death metal era had a lot of disdain, I was merely using a situation where there's little discussion of a topic due to overuse.

I said their black metal work had more influence, not that their death metal work wasnt highly regarded. Transylvanian Hunger firmly established the "tradition" of bad production in BM.

Thats more of an opinion based statement. Seeing as it has nothing to do with the point I was arguing, I'll leave now.

Sounds great, like a combo of F.O.A.D and Sardonic Wrath which is exactly what I wanted.

As stated before, I don't see much crust here, more like old school speed metal... Not sure the ones who put that 'crust' tag really know what it is...

One of the minor things bugging me about this release is the fact that, despite the songs being good, they don't sound essential, as the last two albums were similar, and as Darkthrone now releases an album per year... It kind of kills the songs' value.

'The Winds They Called The Dungeon Shaker' still is the best song I've heard in a while.

I'd be ok with a return to slightly more violent black metal, Sardonic Wrath-like

But it is likely they are going to drop the whole metal thing and just go boogie!

AurvandiL wrote:

I'd be ok with a return to slightly more violent black metal, Sardonic Wrath-like

But it is likely they are going to drop the whole metal thing and just go boogie!

I think they came pretty close to Boogie Metal with the second riff of I En Hall Med Flesk Og Mjød

I don't think Darkthrone will ever top Panzerfaust, IMO, but I'm looking forward to this new release nonetheless.

I'm pretty sure all the claims of Darkthrone having become a "crust" band on recent albums are from people who don't actually know what crust sounds like.

Good riffs, horrendous vocals. Christ, will they ever learn to turn the vocals down in the mix?

Yeah, pretty much it, FOAD had more punk in it (and not crust anyway)...

It seems they've been listening to heaps of Manilla Road recently.

invoked wrote:

Good riffs, horrendous vocals. Christ, will they ever learn to turn the vocals down in the mix?

I assume you're talking about Fenriz. I personally love the vocals.

Usefulidiot42 wrote:

I'm pretty sure all the claims of Darkthrone having become a "crust" band on recent albums are from people who don't actually know what crust sounds like.

Yes, that's what I was saying.

Author:	MapleKit [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:37 pm ]
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caspian wrote: MapleKit wrote: My opinion is that it sucks. I'm probably the minority, but I like it that way. ' ooh, you're quite the iconoclast, aren't you? No, I'm just a fan of their death metal work.

Author:	Crick [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:46 pm ]
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It isnt really a minority though. Plenty of people consider Darkthrone's death metal work to be their best releases. Then again, those are mainly the people who dislike their rockish/crust punk approach to BM. With such a conflicting discography its not that hard to understand why they don't want to cater to fans.

Author:	MapleKit [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:57 pm ]
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Crick wrote: It isnt really a minority though. Plenty of people consider Darkthrone's death metal work to be their best releases. Then again, those are mainly the people who dislike their rockish/crust punk approach to BM. With such a conflicting discography its not that hard to understand why they don't want to cater to fans. I've never known anyone but myself who only likes their death metal work. If plenty of people like it I am surprised because no one ever talks about it.

Author:	Crick [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:58 pm ]
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Or it could be talked to death. There are plenty of people who like Metallica's Load-era work, despite the disdain towards it. Do we still talk about it frequently? Not really.

Author:	CrippledLucifer [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:06 pm ]
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Crick wrote: Or it could be talked to death. There are plenty of people who like Metallica's Load-era work, despite the disdain towards it. Do we still talk about it frequently? Not really. If you are making the comparation with Darkthrone's death metal era, I don't think it can be disdained at all.

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Author:	MapleKit [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:11 pm ]
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Crick wrote: Or it could be talked to death. There are plenty of people who like Metallica's Load-era work, despite the disdain towards it. Do we still talk about it frequently? Not really. That doesn't really fit what I'm talking about here. I'm just saying that when a darkthrone thread pops up you never hear about their death metal work. It's almost as if it's been forgotten.

Author:	Crick [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:15 pm ]
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Well, to be fair, their black metal work has had more influence on a genre than their death metal work. And I wasnt saying Darkthrone's death metal era had a lot of disdain, I was merely using a situation where there's little discussion of a topic due to overuse.

Author:	MapleKit [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:27 pm ]
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Crick wrote: Well, to be fair, their black metal work has had more influence on a genre than their death metal work. And I wasnt saying Darkthrone's death metal era had a lot of disdain, I was merely using a situation where there's little discussion of a topic due to overuse. Their death metal work is highly regarded in old school death metal circles!

Author:	Crick [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:30 pm ]
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I said their black metal work had more influence, not that their death metal work wasnt highly regarded. Transylvanian Hunger firmly established the "tradition" of bad production in BM.

Author:	MapleKit [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:36 pm ]
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Crick wrote: I said their black metal work had more influence, not that their death metal work wasnt highly regarded. Transylvanian Hunger firmly established the "tradition" of bad production in BM. That's really something to be proud of.

Author:	Crick [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:38 pm ]
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Thats more of an opinion based statement. Seeing as it has nothing to do with the point I was arguing, I'll leave now.

Author:	MapleKit [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:39 pm ]
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Crick wrote: Thats more of an opinion based statement. Seeing as it has nothing to do with the point I was arguing, I'll leave now. Everything you have said here has been an opinion, it's best you do leave.

Author:	Dark_Mewtwo1 [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:18 pm ]
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Bezerko wrote: Sounds great, like a combo of F.O.A.D and Sardonic Wrath which is exactly what I wanted. I posted the exact same thing on another board I frequent. I may end up liking this one more than F.O.A.D. because of it. I do need to give it a few more spins before I reach that conclusion.

Author:	Morbidreich [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:08 pm ]
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I'll most certainly get this album as soon as I can this week. I'm not a huge fan of new Darkthrone, but I like to keep up with all their work. F.O.A.D. was pretty enjoyable for what it was, so I expect this one will be as well.

Author:	Vrede [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:32 am ]
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Hum, what to say: I didn't like "The Cult Is Alive" at first, but the more tries I gave it the more it grew on me. Same goes with "FOAD". Now that I listened to "Dark Thrones..." I must say I didn't like it as well (esp. the vocals) and this time I doubt my opinion will change.... time will tell.

Author:	ForNaught [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:23 am ]
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I'm on about seven or eight listens now-- it's still improving as I notice more details buried in there. The tiny little subtleties that made classic Darkthrone great are still there, just buried under a wall of bravado and not as essential to enjoyment. But the level of enjoyment shoots up if you find them. You just have to look. It's not a very immediate album for me, but it's been rewarding.

Author:	NocturnalHolocaust [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:55 pm ]
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MazeofTorment wrote: HIKING METAL PUNKS That's the only song I've heard so far, and it kicks ass. I'm currently searching Youtube for some more songs.

Author:	the_bard_of_osyrhia [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:43 pm ]
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I bought this album on a whim today. I haven't listened to any Darkthrone albums other than Transilvanian Hunger and Under a Funeral Moon (both of which I grew to absolutely love) and I disliked the song I heard from The Cult is Alive when I heard it in 2006. Nonetheless I found myself wanting to buy Dark Thrones and Black Flags because of what I have read in this thread about it and the awesome cover artwork. Sure enough it is a brilliant album. As soon as I put it on I knew that I had made the right decision. The music is A grade punk-influenced black metal. So I want to thank this thread for giving me the idea of buying this album and introducing me to an excellent new chapter of Darkthrone.

Author:	DaBuddha [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:13 pm ]
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This album will be much more enjoyable when you're drunk.

Author:	orionmetalhead [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:04 pm ]
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The album is really good. I like their recent approach as much as I like their early work and DTBF has such an emotional quality to it. I've listened to the album twice today and I am on my third time around. I don't know which song I like best yet.

Author:	Boomsticks [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:36 pm ]
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I listened to it yesterday. I love the album! The Winds They Called The Dungeon Shaker is an amazingly epic song, as are Oath Minus and Hiking Metal Punks. I prefer it to F.O.A.D. and The Cult Is Alive personally. I'm really quite a fan of their new found genre choice.

Author:	ROBL250 [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:10 pm ]
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Im starting to think Fenriz is taking his influence he had on Gallhammer and projecting it with Darkthrones new albums, FOAD had a crust/punk feel to it but not quite as matched as the latest. Its quite refreshing actually to hear Darkthrone go for a more punk-orientated direction as there really the only band aside from Carpathian Forest and Nattefrosts solo career, who could get away with it.

Author:	AurvandiL [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:26 am ]
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As stated before, I don't see much crust here, more like old school speed metal... Not sure the ones who put that 'crust' tag really know what it is... One of the minor things bugging me about this release is the fact that, despite the songs being good, they don't sound essential, as the last two albums were similar, and as Darkthrone now releases an album per year... It kind of kills the songs' value. 'The Winds They Called The Dungeon Shaker' still is the best song I've heard in a while.

Author:	Chaosmonger [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:49 am ]
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AurvandiL wrote: As stated before, I don't see much crust here, more like old school speed metal... Not sure the ones who put that 'crust' tag really know what it is... One of the minor things bugging me about this release is the fact that, despite the songs being good, they don't sound essential, as the last two albums were similar, and as Darkthrone now releases an album per year... It kind of kills the songs' value. 'The Winds They Called The Dungeon Shaker' still is the best song I've heard in a while. I read somewhere that Nocturno said they would take more time on the next album, which is good to hear. I think they could make a heavy/epic metal masterpiece if they set their minds to it.

Author:	AurvandiL [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:50 am ]
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I'd be ok with a return to slightly more violent black metal, Sardonic Wrath-like But it is likely they are going to drop the whole metal thing and just go boogie!

Author:	screamingstatue [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:21 am ]
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AurvandiL wrote: I'd be ok with a return to slightly more violent black metal, Sardonic Wrath-like But it is likely they are going to drop the whole metal thing and just go boogie! I think they came pretty close to Boogie Metal with the second riff of I En Hall Med Flesk Og Mjød I don't think Darkthrone will ever top Panzerfaust, IMO, but I'm looking forward to this new release nonetheless.

Author:	Chaosmonger [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:43 pm ]
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screamingstatue wrote: AurvandiL wrote: I'd be ok with a return to slightly more violent black metal, Sardonic Wrath-like But it is likely they are going to drop the whole metal thing and just go boogie! I think they came pretty close to Boogie Metal with the second riff of I En Hall Med Flesk Og Mjød I don't think Darkthrone will ever top Panzerfaust, IMO, but I'm looking forward to this new release nonetheless. Well they had already topped 'Panzerfaust' like five times before 'Panzerfaust' came out so it would be kind of redundant to do it again.

Author:	Usefulidiot42 [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:39 pm ]
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I'm pretty sure all the claims of Darkthrone having become a "crust" band on recent albums are from people who don't actually know what crust sounds like. Anyway, I haven't heard this one yet but FOAD was cool so I'll probably check it out eventually.

Author:	AurvandiL [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:41 pm ]
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Usefulidiot42 wrote: I'm pretty sure all the claims of Darkthrone having become a "crust" band on recent albums are from people who don't actually know what crust sounds like. Yes, that's what I was saying.

Author:	HumanWaste5150 [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:55 pm ]
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The only song I could think of having a bit of crust influence would be Canadian Metal but its more or less hellhammer/celtic frost influence that crept into the crust punk bands so it isnt really a crust punk influence

Author:	Abominatrix [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:11 pm ]
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Ok, I got to hear this over the weekend and I must say that some people are seriously exaggerating the punk content of the album. In my view, it's blackened heavy metal through and through, with everything that entails. Sure, there are a few punky riffs .. but Slough Feg has those too. ... There's also lots of doom present on here, which you could argue is something Darkthrone has had since the very beginning. I believe I like this much better than "F.O.A.D."..some really nice riffs on here and the best over-all guitar and drum sound this band has had in a while. And yes, a heavy/epic metal record from Darkthrone could be monumental. I'm still a bit underwhelmed by Fenriz's faux-singing sometimes, but eh, he sounds pretty damn sincere and that is what wins me over. In fact, this sounds a good deal like what my own band has been doingg.

Author:	AurvandiL [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:21 pm ]
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Yeah, pretty much it, FOAD had more punk in it (and not crust anyway)... It seems they've been listening to heaps of Manilla Road recently.

Author:	SeriousBoner [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:53 pm ]
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This album rips! My record player has become best pals with FOAD and was in some need for some new Darkthrone. It did not disappoint. I love the crust/punk involvement, the vocals are different, song titles are fantastic. Break the chains!

Author:	Ravenlord266 [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:55 pm ]
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The bits I heard really sounded like Hellhammer

Author:	invoked [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:02 pm ]
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Good riffs, horrendous vocals. Christ, will they ever learn to turn the vocals down in the mix?

Author:	Nolan_B [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:16 pm ]
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invoked wrote: Good riffs, horrendous vocals. Christ, will they ever learn to turn the vocals down in the mix? I assume you're talking about Fenriz. I personally love the vocals.

Author:	Morbidreich [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:20 am ]
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I guess I'm gonna have to order the album, nowhere I've been to has it in stock. What I've heard from it, I like better than most of the stuff on F.O.A.D. so I'm more anxious to get it now.

Author:	marktheviktor [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:54 am ]
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AurvandiL wrote: Yeah, pretty much it, FOAD had more punk in it (and not crust anyway)... It seems they've been listening to heaps of Manilla Road recently. Yeah, this new offering is more than a heap o helping of Manilla Road.