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SuperVeji4 wrote:

Stormalv wrote:

thejuicebitch wrote:

Abominatrix wrote:

Kruel wrote:

I'm late, but this is excellent. I don't want them to rehash Under the Sign of Hell compositionally, but bringing back that aesthetic would be great (the rehearsal-like production with insane vocals and inhuman drum).

Yep, I'm for that.

But I'm curious as to why King ov Hell thinks he has a case at all. Seems like the other guyss might have gotten Infernus drunk one day and had him sign some paperwork that he doesn't remember!

King ov Hell has no way of winning as the rights of the title do not belong to him, he's just a moron with little integrity.

Yeah, King is very megalomanic and arrogant from what I have heard, I know a couple of people who have met him. I think he's in for a gigantic disappointment I think, in the court.

What are you talking about?! If King ov Hell did in fact gain the ownership to the name Gorgoroth behind Infernus's back, then Infernus is screwed! It dosen't matter if Infernus was the founding member or if he was always the backbone, all that matters is who officially has the ownership, which is King. I really want Infernus to win this case, but I seriously don't know how he's gonna pull it off.

The thing is, Infernus never passed on ownership to King ov Hell.

thejuicebitch wrote:

SuperVeji4 wrote:

Stormalv wrote:

thejuicebitch wrote:

Abominatrix wrote:

Kruel wrote:

King ov Hell has no way of winning as the rights of the title do not belong to him, he's just a moron with little integrity.

Yeah, King is very megalomanic and arrogant from what I have heard, I know a couple of people who have met him. I think he's in for a gigantic disappointment I think, in the court.

The thing is, Infernus never passed on ownership to King ov Hell.

The thing is, Infernus never actually had ownership. In essence, he was the spiritual head of the band, but not the legal head (there was none). That's why King could do what he did.

:durr:

King did, this is why the whole situation is going to the courts in the first place.

Ah, I see... I didn't know they copyrighted the bandname behind his back before kicking him out, that's pretty fucking cynical.

Pest>Gaahl, so I'm looking more forward to what infernus has in store than King ov Hell!

Unorthodox wrote:

Pest>Gaahl, so I'm looking more forward to what infernus has in store than King ov Hell!

Another (obvious) point to consider is: Infernus > King ov Hell.

https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200710859&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication=

From the Norwegian patent office.

It's a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo but the thing in a nutshell is that:

1) Infernus was the only original founding member left
1a) Nobody originally copyrighted the name Gorgoroth
2) King and Gaahl applied for a patent on the name, merchandise, and records of Gorgoroth behind Infernus's back
3) Norwegian patent office recognized and approved the copyright request
4) Regain Records then went AROUND this and released the material with Infernus on it, in breach of the copyright that now belongs to King and Gaahl.
5) They're now fighting all of this in court.

Unorthodox wrote:

Pest>Gaahl, so I'm looking more forward to what infernus has in store than King ov Hell!

Another (obvious) point to consider is: Infernus > King ov Hell.

Just be the devil's advocate here, har har, while what King and Gaahl did was shitty of them, you still have to consider that Infernus hadn't written anything in forever and in essence, King more or less was Gorgoroth for a time.

vashts80 wrote:

Okay so if I understand this correctly, Infernus IS fucked.

That's what I've been saying for awhile now. So Infernus went throught a sort-of "dry season" when it comes to creativity, but isn't it a bit odd that he suddenly has a burst of creative force when all this shit started happening?

I sometimes get the sense that Infernus is writing this new album just to make a point. Kinda like he's saying "See, see, I'm writing a new Gorgoroth album! That's why the name should still belong to me!"

I sometimes get the sense that Infernus is writing this new album just to make a point. Kinda like he's saying "See, see, I'm writing a new Gorgoroth album! That's why the name should still belong to me!"

What did they kick him out for? Not writing any music?

SuperVeji4 wrote:

Yes, very much so. I fully understand why he would be pissed, as I just said, but the fact that he only magically got the urge to write music again directly AFTER King and Gaahl kicked him out of the band does sort of make me wonder. I remember seeing a video interview in which they were asked about that, and King mumbled something about like creative differences or something and Gaahl took the mic and just blurted "we kicked him out" or something. What did they kick him out for? Not writing any music?

Still, UtSoH is my favorite Gorgoroth album and one of my favorite albums ever by any band, so I am still happy to hear Infernus and Pest are planning on doing stuff together again.

circleofdestruction wrote:

SuperVeji4 wrote:

Infernus stated he was writing new material again in an interview a long time before the split. Get your info right, kids.

Not showing up to rehearsals, canceling shows, being anti-band blah blah blah. Something along those lines.

circleofdestruction wrote:

What did they kick him out for? Not writing any music?

Not showing up to rehearsals, canceling shows, being anti-band blah blah blah. Something along those lines.

There's one thing that bugs me...over the last year Gaahl and his fags have been playing ''Gorgoroth'' shows all over including one at Wacken. Is it even legal for them to play old songs? They had nothing to do with that material, plus they suck balls when performing it, as you can see here from this thoroughly raped version of Revelation of Doom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wyu841Z6s

Some italian 20 year old guy I think.

EntilZha wrote:

Infernus stated he was writing new material again in an interview a long time before the split. Get your info right, kids.

I asked a question, namely "Why was he kicked out?" so I really had no info to get right or not.

Gaahl vocals are so awful.

Author:	Wet Pussy [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:58 am ]
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Hmm... Obituary's bassist is in the line up. I wonder if he can play Black Metal as good as he can play Death Metal.

Author:	Bezerko [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:58 am ]
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thejuicebitch wrote: SuperVeji4 wrote: Stormalv wrote: thejuicebitch wrote: Abominatrix wrote: Kruel wrote: I'm late, but this is excellent. I don't want them to rehash Under the Sign of Hell compositionally, but bringing back that aesthetic would be great (the rehearsal-like production with insane vocals and inhuman drum). Yep, I'm for that. But I'm curious as to why King ov Hell thinks he has a case at all. Seems like the other guyss might have gotten Infernus drunk one day and had him sign some paperwork that he doesn't remember! King ov Hell has no way of winning as the rights of the title do not belong to him, he's just a moron with little integrity. Yeah, King is very megalomanic and arrogant from what I have heard, I know a couple of people who have met him. I think he's in for a gigantic disappointment I think, in the court. What are you talking about?! If King ov Hell did in fact gain the ownership to the name Gorgoroth behind Infernus's back, then Infernus is screwed! It dosen't matter if Infernus was the founding member or if he was always the backbone, all that matters is who officially has the ownership, which is King. I really want Infernus to win this case, but I seriously don't know how he's gonna pull it off. The thing is, Infernus never passed on ownership to King ov Hell. The thing is, Infernus never actually had ownership. In essence, he was the spiritual head of the band, but not the legal head (there was none). That's why King could do what he did.

Author:	Stormalv [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:39 am ]
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Bezerko wrote: thejuicebitch wrote: SuperVeji4 wrote: Stormalv wrote: thejuicebitch wrote: Abominatrix wrote: Kruel wrote: I'm late, but this is excellent. I don't want them to rehash Under the Sign of Hell compositionally, but bringing back that aesthetic would be great (the rehearsal-like production with insane vocals and inhuman drum). Yep, I'm for that. But I'm curious as to why King ov Hell thinks he has a case at all. Seems like the other guyss might have gotten Infernus drunk one day and had him sign some paperwork that he doesn't remember! King ov Hell has no way of winning as the rights of the title do not belong to him, he's just a moron with little integrity. Yeah, King is very megalomanic and arrogant from what I have heard, I know a couple of people who have met him. I think he's in for a gigantic disappointment I think, in the court. What are you talking about?! If King ov Hell did in fact gain the ownership to the name Gorgoroth behind Infernus's back, then Infernus is screwed! It dosen't matter if Infernus was the founding member or if he was always the backbone, all that matters is who officially has the ownership, which is King. I really want Infernus to win this case, but I seriously don't know how he's gonna pull it off. The thing is, Infernus never passed on ownership to King ov Hell. The thing is, Infernus never actually had ownership. In essence, he was the spiritual head of the band, but not the legal head (there was none). That's why King could do what he did. Well, the only way you can really legally own a bandname is if you copyright it, and that costs several tens of thousands of dollars, and I doubt anyone of them have done that.

Author:	Bezerko [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:17 am ]
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King did, this is why the whole situation is going to the courts in the first place.

Author:	Wet Pussy [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:20 am ]
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I have an idea, let's keep the court case thing out of the topic and let's discuss how awesome the Infernus led Gorgoroth album will be

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Author:	juicebitch [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:19 am ]
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Bezerko wrote: :durr: King did, this is why the whole situation is going to the courts in the first place. Son of a bitch....!!!!!!

Author:	Stormalv [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:47 pm ]
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Bezerko wrote: :durr: King did, this is why the whole situation is going to the courts in the first place. Really? Where have you heard that?

Author:	vashts80 [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:38 pm ]
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https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_pa ... plication= From the Norwegian patent office. It's a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo but the thing in a nutshell is that: 1) Infernus was the only original founding member left 1a) Nobody originally copyrighted the name Gorgoroth 2) King and Gaahl applied for a patent on the name, merchandise, and records of Gorgoroth behind Infernus's back 3) Norwegian patent office recognized and approved the copyright request 4) Regain Records then went AROUND this and released the material with Infernus on it, in breach of the copyright that now belongs to King and Gaahl. 5) They're now fighting all of this in court.

Author:	Stormalv [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:50 pm ]
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Ah, I see... I didn't know they copyrighted the bandname behind his back before kicking him out, that's pretty fucking cynical.

Author:	gigel2006 [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:29 pm ]
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Stormalv wrote: Ah, I see... I didn't know they copyrighted the bandname behind his back before kicking him out, that's pretty fucking cynical. ..and gay.

Author:	Nolan_B [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:23 pm ]
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I honestly couldn't care less if Infernus wins. I'll buy the new album for the music, not the Gorgoroth logo.

Author:	MaDTransilvanian [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:09 am ]
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Yes but if Infernus wins it'll allow him to keep making GOOD Gorgoroth albums not the utter audio failure that is Gaahl/King's music, although I doubt Infernus would give up if he loses.

Author:	Unorthodox [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:36 am ]
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Pest>Gaahl, so I'm looking more forward to what infernus has in store than King ov Hell! Seriously, this is really good news. I hope I dont get dissapointed.

Author:	Kruel [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:38 am ]
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Unorthodox wrote: Pest>Gaahl, so I'm looking more forward to what infernus has in store than King ov Hell! Another (obvious) point to consider is: Infernus > King ov Hell.

Author:	Stormalv [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:27 pm ]
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One of their current live guitar players fucked up a lot when I saw them a couple of months ago, they were headlining a festival, and almost everyone was disappointed because that one guitar player sucked so hard and ruined things. Their new drummer is wicked though. Some italian 20 year old guy I think.

Author:	Entranceemperium [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:26 pm ]
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Excitement; she brews within me.

Author:	LokiGoddess [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:24 am ]
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Kruel wrote: Unorthodox wrote: Pest>Gaahl, so I'm looking more forward to what infernus has in store than King ov Hell! Another (obvious) point to consider is: Infernus > King ov Hell. Well duh! Any musician whose (stage) name contains "Ov" is automatically less of a legitimate musician than Infernus (and Shagrath, who has done sneaker adsi n the past).

Author:	SuperVeji4 [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:10 am ]
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vashts80 wrote: https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200710859&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication= From the Norwegian patent office. It's a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo but the thing in a nutshell is that: 1) Infernus was the only original founding member left 1a) Nobody originally copyrighted the name Gorgoroth 2) King and Gaahl applied for a patent on the name, merchandise, and records of Gorgoroth behind Infernus's back 3) Norwegian patent office recognized and approved the copyright request 4) Regain Records then went AROUND this and released the material with Infernus on it, in breach of the copyright that now belongs to King and Gaahl. 5) They're now fighting all of this in court. Okay so if I understand this correctly, Infernus IS fucked.

Author:	circleofdestruction [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:33 am ]
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Kruel wrote: Unorthodox wrote: Pest>Gaahl, so I'm looking more forward to what infernus has in store than King ov Hell! Another (obvious) point to consider is: Infernus > King ov Hell. Well, yeah, but one must wonder why Infernus let King write the later albums if he could have continued to do better himself (though I certainly think the early Gorgoroth albums were better. I like some songs here and there on the later ones, but the early albums were consistently good). That being said, Pest is my favorite vocalist ever. This makes my day. I don't care who gets the band name, if there is a band involving both Infernus and Pest, I will buy their stuff. Just be the devil's advocate here, har har, while what King and Gaahl did was shitty of them, you still have to consider that Infernus hadn't written anything in forever and in essence, King more or less was Gorgoroth for a time.Even if what he wrote wasn't as good. I'm sure there is more to it than the obvious. But yeah, they're still assholes. That being said, I would still want Infernus to get it if possible so we could have a return of a Pest/Infernus Gorgoroth. And I like Gaahl's Trelldom stuff better than Gorgoroth, I would just as soon that he weren't in Gorgoroth anyway.

Author:	SuperVeji4 [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:44 am ]
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circleofdestruction wrote: Just be the devil's advocate here, har har, while what King and Gaahl did was shitty of them, you still have to consider that Infernus hadn't written anything in forever and in essence, King more or less was Gorgoroth for a time. That's what I've been saying for awhile now. So Infernus went throught a sort-of "dry season" when it comes to creativity, but isn't it a bit odd that he suddenly has a burst of creative force when all this shit started happening? I sometimes get the sense that Infernus is writing this new album just to make a point. Kinda like he's saying "See, see, I'm writing a new Gorgoroth album! That's why the name should still belong to me!"

Author:	Empyreal [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:07 am ]
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SuperVeji4 wrote: vashts80 wrote: https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200710859&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication= From the Norwegian patent office. It's a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo but the thing in a nutshell is that: 1) Infernus was the only original founding member left 1a) Nobody originally copyrighted the name Gorgoroth 2) King and Gaahl applied for a patent on the name, merchandise, and records of Gorgoroth behind Infernus's back 3) Norwegian patent office recognized and approved the copyright request 4) Regain Records then went AROUND this and released the material with Infernus on it, in breach of the copyright that now belongs to King and Gaahl. 5) They're now fighting all of this in court. Okay so if I understand this correctly, Infernus IS fucked. Yeah, I saw something like this coming. I find it pretty funny that nobody copyrighted Gorgoroth in the original lineup. Very ironic, very early-Black-Metal.

Author:	Nazg [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:30 am ]
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Quote: I sometimes get the sense that Infernus is writing this new album just to make a point. Kinda like he's saying "See, see, I'm writing a new Gorgoroth album! That's why the name should still belong to me!" But hadn't Infernus already announced _before_ this whole ridiculous split thang that he has written material again for Gorgoroth/got his inspiration back and even threw that "Quantos Possunt ad Satanitatem Trahunt" in the air?

Author:	Bezerko [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:30 am ]
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circleofdestruction wrote: What did they kick him out for? Not writing any music? Not showing up to rehearsals, canceling shows, being anti-band blah blah blah. Something along those lines.

Author:	EntilZha [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:30 am ]
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circleofdestruction wrote: SuperVeji4 wrote: That's what I've been saying for awhile now. So Infernus went throught a sort-of "dry season" when it comes to creativity, but isn't it a bit odd that he suddenly has a burst of creative force when all this shit started happening? I sometimes get the sense that Infernus is writing this new album just to make a point. Kinda like he's saying "See, see, I'm writing a new Gorgoroth album! That's why the name should still belong to me!" Yes, very much so. I fully understand why he would be pissed, as I just said, but the fact that he only magically got the urge to write music again directly AFTER King and Gaahl kicked him out of the band does sort of make me wonder. I remember seeing a video interview in which they were asked about that, and King mumbled something about like creative differences or something and Gaahl took the mic and just blurted "we kicked him out" or something. What did they kick him out for? Not writing any music? Still, UtSoH is my favorite Gorgoroth album and one of my favorite albums ever by any band, so I am still happy to hear Infernus and Pest are planning on doing stuff together again. Infernus stated he was writing new material again in an interview a long time before the split. Get your info right, kids.

Author:	Bezerko [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:31 am ]
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EntilZha wrote: circleofdestruction wrote: SuperVeji4 wrote: That's what I've been saying for awhile now. So Infernus went throught a sort-of "dry season" when it comes to creativity, but isn't it a bit odd that he suddenly has a burst of creative force when all this shit started happening? I sometimes get the sense that Infernus is writing this new album just to make a point. Kinda like he's saying "See, see, I'm writing a new Gorgoroth album! That's why the name should still belong to me!" Yes, very much so. I fully understand why he would be pissed, as I just said, but the fact that he only magically got the urge to write music again directly AFTER King and Gaahl kicked him out of the band does sort of make me wonder. I remember seeing a video interview in which they were asked about that, and King mumbled something about like creative differences or something and Gaahl took the mic and just blurted "we kicked him out" or something. What did they kick him out for? Not writing any music? Still, UtSoH is my favorite Gorgoroth album and one of my favorite albums ever by any band, so I am still happy to hear Infernus and Pest are planning on doing stuff together again. Infernus stated he was writing new material again in an interview a long time before the split. Get your info right, kids. Yeah, I remember one from about... Probably three months (?) before the split, the reason he was kicked was not due to lack of writing (as I said in my previous post).

Author:	WD37 [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:29 am ]
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Bezerko wrote: circleofdestruction wrote: What did they kick him out for? Not writing any music? Not showing up to rehearsals, canceling shows, being anti-band blah blah blah. Something along those lines. According to Gaahl and King, that is. Of course they would say this, to try and justify their actions. King has also said in an interview that Infernus hasn't written any good music since 1996. I think it should be obvious that the crap they are saying about Infernus shouldn't be blindly trusted, as they have a VERY good motive for making people think Infernus is a "has-been" and an asshole, i.e. they need to get people on their side. They keep changing their story, though - for example, King has come up with several reasons why he quit the band in 2006. Before the split, he first said that he quit because he had problems fronting the band's ideology in public. Then he said it was because of a personal matter. Then he claimed he didn't really quit. And, in an interview with Revolver Magazine earlier this year, he said he quit because of Infernus, but Gaahl called him up and asked him to rejoin.

Author:	Bezerko [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:33 am ]
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Thus the "blah blah blah" and "Something along those lines" parts of my post. The problem is it's doubtful (unless they somehow reconcile in the future) that we'll ever know what actually happened.

Author:	Unholy_Asar [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:58 am ]
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Pest on vocals! Here's to hoping for another thing like UTSOH. It prolly won't happen but anyways... Also, even if I support Infernus and think Gaahl and King should go fuck themselves (or eachother) or something like that, I realize that since King has registered the name Gorgoroth it might be difficult for Infernus to win. We're prolly gonna sit there with Gaayhl and King being Gorgoroth, no matter how "right" or "wrong" we might think that to be. I hope Infernus will start a band with this line-up even if he doesn't get to call it Gorgoroth though.

Author:	Balaam_Abaddon [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:56 pm ]
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I never knew Gorgoroth had an official site, I shall be checking this out occasionally. Thanks man.

Author:	Lyrici17 [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:48 pm ]
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I, like most everyone here, am glad to see Pest returning on vocals. I honestly haven't heard a lot of Gorgoroth, but What I have heard I like, especially Pest's vocals (though I'll agree that Hat is pretty wicked). It's also nice to see that the vast majority of Gorgoroth fans seem to back Infernus (at least here). Regardless of how the court case comes out, it seems as though Infernus will always be the true head of Gorgoroth to the fans of the band.

Author:	ikuturiso [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:25 pm ]
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MaDTransilvanian wrote: There's one thing that bugs me...over the last year Gaahl and his fags have been playing ''Gorgoroth'' shows all over including one at Wacken. Is it even legal for them to play old songs? They had nothing to do with that material, plus they suck balls when performing it, as you can see here from this thoroughly raped version of Revelation of Doom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wyu841Z6s You know that video dates back to 1998 right?

Author:	Nolan_B [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:33 pm ]
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MaDTransilvanian wrote: There's one thing that bugs me...over the last year Gaahl and his fags have been playing ''Gorgoroth'' shows all over including one at Wacken. Is it even legal for them to play old songs? They had nothing to do with that material, plus they suck balls when performing it, as you can see here from this thoroughly raped version of Revelation of Doom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wyu841Z6s This sucks so bad. I'm embarrased to listen to Gorgoroth because of this. Gaahl vocals are so awful.

Author:	Nolan_B [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:42 pm ]
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Stormalv wrote: Some italian 20 year old guy I think. Maybe that's Gaahl's type.

Author:	Kruel [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:43 pm ]
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circleofdestruction wrote: EntilZha wrote: Infernus stated he was writing new material again in an interview a long time before the split. Get your info right, kids. I asked a question, namely "Why was he kicked out?" so I really had no info to get right or not. You did say "but the fact that he only magically got the urge to write music again directly AFTER King and Gaahl kicked him out of the band does sort of make me wonder." Anyway, I still thank King for "kicking" Infernus out, since Infernus can now work with a better line-up and possibly a higher creative energy incited by this event.

Author:	vashts80 [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:46 pm ]
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MaDTransilvanian wrote: There's one thing that bugs me...over the last year Gaahl and his fags have been playing ''Gorgoroth'' shows all over including one at Wacken. Is it even legal for them to play old songs? They had nothing to do with that material, plus they suck balls when performing it, as you can see here from this thoroughly raped version of Revelation of Doom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wyu841Z6s I'd assume the patent applies to all things Gorgoroth, including material written by Infernus. It's the same as if a band covers a song live.

Author:	Unholy_Asar [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:43 pm ]
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Nolan_B wrote: Gaahl vocals are so awful. No. Gaahl's vocals IN GORGOROTH are awful. In Trelldom he does quite a nice job as a bm vocalist. Pest is still like a million times better though.