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Author:  Unholy_Asar [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:24 pm ]
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Goatfangs wrote:
Do you think it'd be alright if there is a bottom 10 survey of 2008? If there isn't already, that is.

Although... we all know what the "top spot" on that list is going to be. And it's not Metallica or In Flames.


This sounds like it would be an elitist shitfest, bashing the albums that are on this list that you don't like instead of voting for the really crap ones.

Zarach 'Baal' Tharagh has way more than ten 2008 releases for instance. You can bash the Cryptopsy album all you want (I assume this is what you're referring to), but if you do so you aren't actually focusing on the REALLY BAD releases, but more making an " :violin: Oh Noes! My favourite bands became sellouts to my kvltist trueness :( :( :(" kind of list.

It would just become retarded, and sure as hell not a good source of information (which the surveys actually are, to an extent).

Also, we need not make a survey for every single thiong within metal. After a while they just become redundant and stupid. I'm not saying they've completely worn out their welcome yet, but they will do so a long time before such a survey would be viable.
Author:  sexylatinababe [ Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:17 am ]
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Voyager certainly deserves to be on that list, but it's definitely not Manilla Road's best album. I wouldn't even put it in the top five.

btw I'm not surprised that Amon Amarth got to #1, it's clear from the other entries on the list that a lot of the people polled have a really boring taste in music.
Author:  Bash [ Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:19 am ]
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Fucking Amon Amarth?? We must've been a victim of some giant troll here, that's the only explanation I can think of.
Author:  GuntherTheUndying [ Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:35 pm ]
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Bash wrote:
Fucking Amon Amarth?? We must've been a victim of some giant troll here, that's the only explanation I can think of.

I think it's the inconsistency of surveys. If we got more members voting, there would be a huge sway in the results, instead of just Amon Amarth yuppies going nuts over the poll.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if more individuals gave their two-cents. And yea, many albums toward the top of that list are horrendous.
Author:  dalecooper [ Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:05 pm ]
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I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but no one else is saying it so maybe not. If you have a large number of participants in this kind of poll, the top vote-getters will ALWAYS be the more popular bands. Some of my favorite releases this year are (at least to me) a lot more worthy than Amon Amarth, but I know going into it that many fewer people are familiar with those bands - so Amon Amarth will probably score a lot higher, even if the album wasn't even that well-liked. A lot of people are going to vote for it simply because they're a big name and they have a new album out, and it's halfway decent. Even if they got mostly votes in the bottom half of people's top ten lists, they will still outpace most obscure bands that get a couple of top five votes.

The trick to winning this type of poll is 1. be a big name; 2. but don't be perceived as a sell-out or way past your prime (i.e. still have some integrity and a loyal fanbase); and 3. put out an album that's at least consistent with your previous work. Amon Amarth pulled off the trifecta, so it's really not too surprising that they outscored a number of other bands that I feel actually released better albums. It doesn't break my heart, it's just a function of the survey.

This might not happen on a "best of death metal" type survey, because years have passed and the best old releases have finally gotten the hype. You could easily see "Nespithe" on a top death metal survey performed today, but if you had done a best of 1993 survey, IN 1993, that album wouldn't have been on the list at all - because almost nobody knew about it.
Author:  Lyrici17 [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:34 am ]
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dalecooper wrote:
I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but no one else is saying it so maybe not. If you have a large number of participants in this kind of poll, the top vote-getters will ALWAYS be the more popular bands. Some of my favorite releases this year are (at least to me) a lot more worthy than Amon Amarth, but I know going into it that many fewer people are familiar with those bands - so Amon Amarth will probably score a lot higher, even if the album wasn't even that well-liked. A lot of people are going to vote for it simply because they're a big name and they have a new album out, and it's halfway decent. Even if they got mostly votes in the bottom half of people's top ten lists, they will still outpace most obscure bands that get a couple of top five votes.

The trick to winning this type of poll is 1. be a big name; 2. but don't be perceived as a sell-out or way past your prime (i.e. still have some integrity and a loyal fanbase); and 3. put out an album that's at least consistent with your previous work. Amon Amarth pulled off the trifecta, so it's really not too surprising that they outscored a number of other bands that I feel actually released better albums. It doesn't break my heart, it's just a function of the survey.

This might not happen on a "best of death metal" type survey, because years have passed and the best old releases have finally gotten the hype. You could easily see "Nespithe" on a top death metal survey performed today, but if you had done a best of 1993 survey, IN 1993, that album wouldn't have been on the list at all - because almost nobody knew about it.


I certainly tried to say this... albeit, with different words...
Author:  Entranceemperium [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:13 am ]
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Seems like a lot of people hardly paid any attention to this year, even many that voted. There seems to be many "decent" releases outclassing "great" ones due to people throwing what little they knew in to their lists. I'm guilty, I heard maybe 15 albums from this year.
Author:  lord_ghengis [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:30 am ]
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dalecooper wrote:
I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but no one else is saying it so maybe not. If you have a large number of participants in this kind of poll, the top vote-getters will ALWAYS be the more popular bands. Some of my favorite releases this year are (at least to me) a lot more worthy than Amon Amarth, but I know going into it that many fewer people are familiar with those bands - so Amon Amarth will probably score a lot higher, even if the album wasn't even that well-liked. A lot of people are going to vote for it simply because they're a big name and they have a new album out, and it's halfway decent. Even if they got mostly votes in the bottom half of people's top ten lists, they will still outpace most obscure bands that get a couple of top five votes.

The trick to winning this type of poll is 1. be a big name; 2. but don't be perceived as a sell-out or way past your prime (i.e. still have some integrity and a loyal fanbase); and 3. put out an album that's at least consistent with your previous work. Amon Amarth pulled off the trifecta, so it's really not too surprising that they outscored a number of other bands that I feel actually released better albums. It doesn't break my heart, it's just a function of the survey.

This might not happen on a "best of death metal" type survey, because years have passed and the best old releases have finally gotten the hype. You could easily see "Nespithe" on a top death metal survey performed today, but if you had done a best of 1993 survey, IN 1993, that album wouldn't have been on the list at all - because almost nobody knew about it.


While this is true, to the regulars here it seems odd that we have that many votes for the popular band. While those three things you said are indeed very true for your average poll, I always thought that the members of this forum were in general a little bit more informed in the existence of the many other better bands around. Amon Amarth are the type of band I see winning in forums which aren't exclusively metal, it honestly surprised me to see so many people voting because of the reasons you mentioned in this type of site, and I think most of the people surprised by Amon Amarth would be in the same boat.

Although it might just be because I'm used to talking to the guys with 1000 posts plus here which makes me ignore just how many people there are here who haven't posted a lot yet or are fairly new in metal.
Author:  Nyaricus [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:35 am ]
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Sorry to post in here, but anyone know what happened to Caspian (I think it was) and the results for top albums of all time survey? He back working, or?
Author:  Forbinator [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:54 am ]
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I think 2008 has been a fantastic year, and I base this on quality, not quantity. I haven't heard enough to have been able to vote for anything.

1. Horna - Sanojesi Aarelle
2. Massemord - The Whore of Hate
3. Nyktalgia - Peisithanatos
4. Behexen - My Soul for His Glory
5. Mgla - Groza
6. Leviathan - Massive Conspiracy Against All Life
7. Taake - Taake
8. ColdWorld - Melancholie
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Maybe I should have thrown in a couple of inoffensive releases, like Amon Amarth and Metallica, then I could have voted!

Do people here not know about Massemord? Or just didn't think the release was that good?
Author:  schneider90 [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:21 am ]
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I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but I think that if the same users who voted in this poll voted again in five years on their favorite albums of 2008, the results would be quite different (assuming their music tastes stay the same). There just isn't enough time in one year to listen to a large amount of releases from that year. As time goes on, more people will be able to listen to the releases from the more obscure bands. The only reason that popular bands dominated the voting was that they are harder to miss. There was a long thread on here about the new Amon Amarth album when it released. Most releases dont get any kind of publicity, so it takes longer for the word about obscure albums to get around.
Author:  Forbinator [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:30 am ]
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^^^ Yes I think this applies pretty well to me. In fact I'd be more interested if we started having surveys on best of 2000, for example. Six months to a year later we could look at 2001.
Author:  Empyreal [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:28 am ]
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Yeah, I've already found a new 2008 album which would have been on my list (Intestine Baalism), and there are plenty more that might make it.
Author:  ~Guest 135210 [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:48 am ]
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Where has the top albums of all time survey gone?

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Author:  Empyreal [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:49 am ]
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Galaahd wrote:
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Where has the top albums of all time survey gone?

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caspian has said that he's busy and will be done with it in February.
Author:  Jarnroth [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:53 am ]
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Empyreal wrote:
Yeah, I've already found a new 2008 album which would have been on my list (Intestine Baalism), and there are plenty more that might make it.

They did? Missed it out!
Author:  Empyreal [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:39 am ]
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Jarnroth wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
Yeah, I've already found a new 2008 album which would have been on my list (Intestine Baalism), and there are plenty more that might make it.

They did? Missed it out!


Yep, it seemed to go under the radar, but check it out, for it is awesome, and better than Origin's new album.
Author:  DenialFiend [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:45 am ]
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My shitty head, didn't put in the list the new Dodsferd's album..
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