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Jackoroth686
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:15 am 
 

A few people have actually accused them of being quite a racist band especially on Unchain The Wolves, I personally just think they are just proud of their heritage which is Australian.

What are your thoughts on this?
Do you think they are racist?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:22 am 
 

I believe KK Warslut once got punched in the face (and his nose broken, as a result) by a member of Blasphemy after asking "Why is there a nigger in your band?" or something similar.
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Jackoroth686
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:27 am 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
I believe KK Warslut once got punched in the face (and his nose broken, as a result) by a member of Blasphemy after asking "Why is there a nigger in your band?" or something similar.


Wow, no one should tell him about Suffocation.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:35 am 
 

I think they were just flirting with a sort of esoteric occultism that brought them into contact with some pseudo-Nazi symbolism. There's also a line about stealing the magic of the white man in the song "Unchain the Wolves", but, as I recall, it doesn't really say who stole it. The message of the song is certainly has white pride/power/supremacist overtones. There's also a swastika on one of their demo j-cards and (what some claim is) the symbolism of a white wolf standing over a brown carcass on the Unchain the Wolves album cover. And of course there are racist statements and affiliations attributed to K.K. Warslut and other members from that period.

It also seems to me that they more or less abandoned such themes and symbols on their future albums.

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Jonpo
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:37 am 
 

I doubt you can be in a band called Corpse Molestation and not know about Suffocation. Anyways, I think people would drive themselves nuts if they tried to weed out every band from their collection that has members who hold racial stereotypes. There are stories (as has been mentioned) that make it sound as if K. K. has some "white powah" leanings, but in my opinion it doesn't really transfer to the music. There is the one infamous line about "Not ashamed to be white", but that could only be taken as racist by the most thoughtless and overtly PC people alive.

There are probably LOTS of members of LOTS of bands who hold racist views but don't bring it into the music.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:17 am 
 

Well, the band DOES have quite a few connections with the Hellbourne R.A.C. scene. From memory they are/were pretty good friends with the guys from Fortress, they did a CD with a couple of guys from the band back in '96 from memory.

Regardless, D666 as an entity is not a racist band, it's a... Well, a whatever band.

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termitejr
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:22 am 
 

The guy from Abyssic Hate who was in the band for a bit is a pretty big racist.

Saying Unchain the Wolves might be perceived as a racist album prompted me to read the lyrics and made me laugh quite hard. Some very cheesy lyrics, sounds like a 15 year old wrote them.

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mentalselfmutilation
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:34 am 
 

I think they've been associated with it, but no idea for sure. End of the day though, it probably doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:35 am 
 

termitejr wrote:
The guy from Abyssic Hate who was in the band for a bit is a pretty big racist.


Well that's one of the more baseless accusations I've heard in the past few weeks.

On the topic of their lyrics, they're pretty lame, agreed, but Australian and Anti-Christ shall forever remain an Australian metal anthem. :D

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termitejr
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:46 am 
 

Bezerko wrote:
termitejr wrote:
The guy from Abyssic Hate who was in the band for a bit is a pretty big racist.


Well that's one of the more baseless accusations I've heard in the past few weeks.


http://www.rusmetal.ru/vae_solis/abyssichate.html

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It's a common fact than the folk who lose the war, do not get to write history and the German WW2 soldiers have always been portrayed as evil maniacs with a lust for bloodshed. Further investigation shows that they were a very humanitarian movement who wanted nothing more than the average person wants today: 'a pleasant society which is devoid of the elements which made their life miserable'.

...Drugs and shit like that have helped make a weaker person as well as such things like the media and various degenerate races.


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PhantomOTO
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:05 am 
 

As sick as I am of the right-wing apologism on this board, the Abyssic Hate dude does seem to go out of his was to avoid making explicitly racist comments in the interview. There's a lot of idiotic doublespeak involving condoning Nazism but trying avoid accepting the label for himself and avoid admitting its crimes, though.

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Tantalus
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:41 am 
 

That whole Blasphemy story (which is true) is probably the main reason why I've never bothered with this band. I don't care if he is a racist, but he's clearly retarded if he denigrated the best Black/Death band ever with that bullshit. I don't mind if the musicians I listen to are racist, hippies, aliens, whatever, but I draw the line at the short bus.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:23 pm 
 

Tantalus wrote:
That whole Blasphemy story (which is true) is probably the main reason why I've never bothered with this band. I don't care if he is a racist, but he's clearly retarded if he denigrated the best Black/Death band ever with that bullshit. I don't mind if the musicians I listen to are racist, hippies, aliens, whatever, but I draw the line at the short bus.


I see your point, but it's a bit of a shame because you are missing out on some fantastic music.

If D666 are/were racist they clearly aren't showing it anymore. I dare say KK was quite drunk at the time, but obviously that still is no excuse. I imagine all the Oz "War Metal"/black thrash movement are fans of Blasphemy, D666 included.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:31 pm 
 

Sounds of Hate Article wrote:
Record store owners and record companies are generally savvy enough to exclude overtly racist music from their shelves. However, there still exists a fuzzy borderline where some metal bands overlap and flirt with the skinhead scene, possibly serving as an entree for some individual into overt neo-Nazism.

A good example is the Melbourne death metal band Destroyer 666. You can buy their music in record stores and there is nothing overtly racist about their lyrics. Skinheads regularly attend their appearances, though this may be beyond the control of the band, and the band’s management denies that they are Nazi or racist. Yet the band members clearly socialise with people on the skinhead scene and see nothing wrong with them or their music. In their acknowledgments on their albums, they specifically mention and thank Fortress and Spear of Longinus and British Nazi bands Squadron and Brutal Attack. One of the members of Destroyer 666 also made a mini-CD with members of Fortress and Brutal Attack in 1996. This was an overtly racist album available only through the usual sellers of racist CDs. Furthermore, when asked to name some Australian skinhead bands in an interview, the members of the Sydney nazi band Blood Oath named Destroyer 666 as an example of a band with an "Odinist/WP [White Power] following." Furthermore, the band clearly has an affinity for Nazi symbolism, designating some of their gigs as "Holocaust nights" and terming one tour they made the "Genocidal Eastern Holo-coastal tour." Another band which may fall into the same category is Melbourne’s Bestial Warlust, also cited by Blood Oath as a band with a skinhead following.

Moreover, many of the members of Australia’s racist bands come out of the non-racist metal scene, not out of the skinhead movements. Members of both Blood Oath and Honour Guard are former "Metal heads." Some of the racist bands, for instance Spear of Longinus, have been interviewed for amateur magazines put out by aficionados of the Brisbane metal scene. And there have been metal gigs at ordinary music venues which have included both metal and Nazi bands together, for instance, at Brisbane’s Orient Hotel in June 1998.


http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2000/258/sounds.html

The whole article can be read here, it's about Australia and "hatecore" bands. It's probably a bit bias hence the whole "Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council", but it's an interesting read none the less. As far D666 goes, even if they are/were racist, I wouldn't stop listening to them. Their music is too delicious to resist.
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Star-Gazer
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:47 pm 
 

Tantalus wrote:
That whole Blasphemy story (which is true)
can someone direct me to info about this?
RedMisanthrope wrote:
Sounds of Hate Article wrote:
One of the members of Destroyer 666 also made a mini-CD with members of Fortress and Brutal Attack in 1996.
why is this not listed on M-A w/ the side-project rule?

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orphy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:53 pm 
 

I believe KK is/was in a band called Razor Wing with some fellow Aussies, who apparently are into the racial lyrics. I haven't personally heard them, but am simply relaying information.
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HowDisgusting
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:57 pm 
 

Yes, they are pretty obviously racist.
Does it matter? Not one bit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:24 pm 
 

orphy wrote:
I believe KK is/was in a band called Razor Wing with some fellow Aussies, who apparently are into the racial lyrics. I haven't pingersonally heard them, but am simply relaying information.
Ravens Wing

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orphy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:28 pm 
 

Thanks for the correction, totally confused that with a friend's old project "Razor Wing", d'oh!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:37 pm 
 

This may be a baseless assumption on my part, but, when I first saw K.K. Warslut's name listed in an interview, it was as Keith "KK" Warslut, so I imagined he added the "KK" to make his initials "KKK." Of course "KK" could actually be his initials, so ... I could be way off.

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HowDisgusting
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:39 pm 
 

DeathfareDevil wrote:
This may be a baseless assumption on my part, but, when I first saw K.K. Warslut's name listed in an interview, it was as Keith "KK" Warslut, so I imagined he added the "KK" to make his initials "KKK." Of course "KK" could actually be his initials, so ... I could be way off.
Given that the Klan is an American organization, unknown in Australia, I find that unlikely.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:40 pm 
 

I'm sure Australians have heard of the Klan, but yeah, I don't think that makes much sense either.

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BardInTheForest
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HowDisgusting wrote:
DeathfareDevil wrote:
This may be a baseless assumption on my part, but, when I first saw K.K. Warslut's name listed in an interview, it was as Keith "KK" Warslut, so I imagined he added the "KK" to make his initials "KKK." Of course "KK" could actually be his initials, so ... I could be way off.
Given that the Klan is an American organization, unknown in Australia, I find that unlikely.


Unknown? Haha.

I don't think anyone would want to be associated with the Klan, however.

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:42 pm 
 

BardInTheForest wrote:
I don't think anyone would want to be associated with the Klan, however.

Anyone except Slave Whipping Blasphemy? :P
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Tyyrham
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:22 pm 
 

Who cares if they are racists or not?
And I would rather listen to a band full of racists than a band full of hippies.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:25 pm 
 

Tyyrham wrote:
And I would rather listen to a band full of racists than a band full of hippies.

Ouch.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:32 pm 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
Tyyrham wrote:
And I would rather listen to a band full of racists than a band full of hippies.

Ouch.


Tyyrham has a point there.
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HowDisgusting
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:38 pm 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Catachthonian wrote:
Tyyrham wrote:
And I would rather listen to a band full of racists than a band full of hippies.

Ouch.


Tyyrham has a point there.
What point? He made a statement completely devoid of basis or context.

You wanna know some bands that were full of hippies?

Carcass
Voivod
Kreator
Holy Terror
Anacrusis
Testament
Napalm Death
Bolt Thrower
Sodom
Sabbat [U.K.]

I could keep going.

If you don't want to listen to bands 'full of hippies', you might as well quit listening to metal.
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MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Racist guys are much better eye candy.
:gay:
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Out of that entire list, the only bands I actually like are Carcass and Sodom. Bolt Thrower I plan on starting soon though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:43 pm 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Out of that entire list, the only band I actually like is Carcass.
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[especially since Carcass are basically Communists]
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So I have to agree with a band's ideology to like them? I even like Death to a certain point, and Chuck's a Jew dammit. I don't hate them, just consider them... different. Doesn't mean I have to hate their music does it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:47 pm 
 

The lack of continuity in your thought process is disturbing.

Anyway, If you don't like the above listed bands, you really should consider finding another genre.
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MaDTransilvanian wrote:
So I have to agree with a band's ideology to like them? I even like Death to a certain point, and Chuck's a Jew dammit. I don't hate them, just consider them... different. Doesn't mean I have to hate their music does it?


No, but do you have to infest their culture and pervert it? Why can't you leave them to their ancient warrior pride?


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Catachthonian
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MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Racist guys are much better eye candy.

Sorry, I prefer women. :P That's why they (racist guys) fail to attract the masses, actually.
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How am I infesting/perverting anyone's culture?

Also, I mentioned several of the above bands which I like, most I just don't care for.
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I'm a leftist that listens to murders, arsonists, rapists, terrorists (questionable), racists, Jews, whatever... Music has no ideology, musicians do. Sure, they can push their ideology via lyrics, but lyrics are interchangeable in the grand scheme of things.

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MaDTransilvanian wrote:
How am I infesting/perverting anyone's culture?


By simply being there. Forces beyond your control have brought you to the Jews and the hippies, but it's your fault for being there. You're obviously up to no good and were probably planted by some WP organization to recruit. You constitute a hostile population within their zone, and must be eliminated.


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oy vey... :nono:
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i wonder if these bands that hold racist views wouldnt listen to a band with a black member or some non white. i wonder if they write off most of the south american scene or think blasphemy is shitty because of a "nigger" is in it. lol didnt entombed also have a black member?

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