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BrutalizerUtilizerOfTheShadows
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:04 pm 
 

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The New York Times today reported that Youtube has issued a new sweeping policy today, banning all white supremacist, racist, bigoted and conspiracy theorist content from its website. Specifically, Youtube would go after “videos that claim Jews secretly control the world, that say women are intellectually inferior to men and therefore should be denied certain rights, or that suggest that the white race is superior to another race.”

Burzum frontman Varg Vikernes' Youtube channel, Thulean Perspective was one of the casualties of the new ban. While we haven't covered Varg's channel much in the last few years – the ongoing racist and and conspiratorial nature of his videos got repetitive, although there were some gems – it seems the content did not meet Youtube's new standards.

A blog post by YouTube laid it all out:

“Today, we’re taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status. This would include, for example, videos that promote or glorify Nazi ideology, which is inherently discriminatory. Finally, we will remove content denying that well-documented violent events, like the Holocaust or the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, took place.”

As for more conspiratorial videos, Youtube will also be limiting “recommendations of borderline content and harmful misinformation, such as videos promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, or claiming the earth is flat.” Youtube said such implementations has reduced views to these videos by 50%. Youtube said it would not allow channels to monetize videos if they are shown to “repeatedly brush up against our hate speech policies.”

In a troubling portion of the statement, Youtube declared it would highlight “authoritative content” but does not make clear what meets those standards.

There are some already calling out Youtube on it's uneven stance for such content, as on this same day, Youtube said it would not be removing content by prominent right-wing talk show host Steve Crowder, which depicts Crowder targeting a gay Hispanic reporter for Vox, Carlos Maza, with homophobic and prejudice insults. Youtube insists that the comments were not harassment because Crowder was criticising something Menza wrote.


https://metalinjection.net/its-just-bus ... theory-ban

I can't say I'm surprised given what he talks about on his channel (in all honesty, I'm surprised they let him go this long). I didn't watch his channel often, but I liked the content he released about black metal history. Even though it was biased, it was at least interesting to hear about it from someone who was there.

Nonetheless, this is an interesting development. I've heard of a lot of channels getting shut down for things like this, but I find this really interesting given that it happened to Varg.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:26 pm 
 

will this stop Varg? Let's find out...

Edit: No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJf28hKDRzc

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:44 pm 
 

There's always dailymotion or liveleak or whatever

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CrippledLucifer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:11 pm 
 

Lol who cares

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:40 pm 
 

Good riddance.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:16 pm 
 

I'm not thrilled about this because I think it went too far in suppressing freedom of speech.
While I was not at all in alignment with his views on race and immigration, he was pretty tame compared to say, Stormfront or some of the really violently, militantly racist crap out there on the internet. I actually liked his channel... some of the time. When he talked about things like self-sufficiency, sustainability, European history, role-playing gaming, and the black metal scene- it was interesting and informative. But when he would go off on how "multiculturalism is destroying Europe" and how bad immigrants were, he would lose me.

To summarize, yes his content was controversial at times, but it was still pretty tame compared to a lot of racist crap out there, and I think YouTube overreacted here.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:24 pm 
 

I didn't always agree with him, and vehemently disagreed with him on certain points. But he did make a video in which he explicitly denied being a white supremacist, even though he had a history of being one. He also had adorable footage of his family, of which little of it had nothing to do with promoting any of his personal viewpoints.

I think this is a giant overreaction and there are far worse fish in the waters than what Varg put on his channel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:49 pm 
 

Friendly reminder that the government had no hand in removing anyone's YouTube channel, so this is not a "freedom of speech" issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:52 pm 
 

Eh, that comment section is filled with people with names like "Native Europeans Awake", lots of ((()))'s, and one of the most upvoted comments reads "WTF Jewtube." And Varg himself gave this comment made by Heinrich Himmler a heart:

"(((removing history with a button click))) is bad and wrong. Removing degeneracy with fire is good and virtuous"

Yeah, nothing of value was lost. No one should defend this guy.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:02 pm 
 

henkkjelle wrote:
Eh, that comment section is filled with people with names like "Native Europeans Awake", lots of ((()))'s, and one of the most upvoted comments reads "WTF Jewtube." And Varg himself gave this comment made by Heinrich Himmler a heart:

"(((removing history with a button click))) is bad and wrong. Removing degeneracy with fire is good and virtuous"

Yeah, nothing of value was lost. No one should defend this guy.


Imagine being this much of a pansy

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:10 pm 
 

BrutalizerUtilizerOfTheShadows wrote:
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The New York Times today reported that Youtube has issued a new sweeping policy today, banning all white supremacist, racist, bigoted and conspiracy theorist content from its website.

This:
https://youtube.googleblog.com/2019/06/our-ongoing-work-to-tackle-hate.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:23 pm 
 

TheLoneForest wrote:

Imagine being this much of a pansy


Real men sympathize with the anti semitic crackpot theorist!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:39 pm 
 

Good fucking riddance.

TheLoneForest wrote:
henkkjelle wrote:
Eh, that comment section is filled with people with names like "Native Europeans Awake", lots of ((()))'s, and one of the most upvoted comments reads "WTF Jewtube." And Varg himself gave this comment made by Heinrich Himmler a heart:

"(((removing history with a button click))) is bad and wrong. Removing degeneracy with fire is good and virtuous"

Yeah, nothing of value was lost. No one should defend this guy.


Imagine being this much of a pansy

Yeah, being against anti-semitism and the promotion of genocide is clearly for pussies.
Dumbass.

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Terri23
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:54 pm 
 

I don't like Varg or agree with his views at all. He's a reprehensible human being and anyone that looks up to him needs to have their head looked at.

However, I find companies dictating what we should and shouldn't have access to far more troubling. Google, Alphabet, or whatever they call themselves are dictating to what we can and cannot view on the internet. They're not the only company doing this for sure, but they are the biggest. Facebook and Twitter are other examples of companies doing this. Why is it ok for these nameless faceless entities to dictate what we should and shouldn't have access to? Having these channels shut down isn't a success or a win for anybody. Also, a quick Google search reveals that YouTube isn't even being consistent with it's deletion policy, with many homophobic themed channels being left online. More terrifying for me is the amount of discussion around child pornography on many child themed channels, which YouTube clearly isn't doing anything about. Apparently an old Norwegian guy living in France spouting shit that nobody takes seriously is a much more intense issue for YouTube than the online child pornography community numbering in the hundreds of thousands on YouTube where children are very much in danger.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:07 pm 
 

Terri23 wrote:
Why is it ok for these nameless faceless entities to dictate what we should and shouldn't have access to?

Because they own the service. You can always use another service if you don't like what they do with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:27 pm 
 

There's no "freedom of speech" issue here. Everyone is free to own their own server, host their own videos, and write their own racist rants. And everyone else is free to not index your web page on their search engine, or host your video for you, or post your rants.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:44 pm 
 

GTog wrote:
There's no "freedom of speech" issue here. Everyone is free to own their own server, host their own videos, and write their own racist rants. And everyone else is free to not index your web page on their search engine, or host your video for you, or post your rants.

Pretty much exactly what I came to write.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:08 am 
 

On the one hand, I don't find large-scale censorship by powerful corporations much preferable to censorship by the government. The question of "can they?" is unambiguously "yes", but "should they?" can get you into muddier territory. Too often responses to the latter question simply reiterate the answer to the former.

On the other hand, Varg Vikernes' YouTube channel is not part of that muddier territory. Nothing of value was lost.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:20 am 
 

The free speech argument is partially relevant while big tech is as monopolistic as it is (which, it seems the United States government is waking up to, in a remarkably bi-partisan way). Right now, it would be absolutely impossible to compete against YouTube. It would also be impossible to compete against Google's search engine. Imagine a world before the Internet, but instead of having a US Postal Service (which guarantees the first amendment) there's only a couple of private mailing services. Now imagine those few mailing services only letting you send mail they didn't find offensive. I mean, sure- you could start your own mailing service. But your chances of failing are close to 100%. That's kind of the situation right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:06 am 
 

It is all true as far I know. It even was on a Dutch Radiochannel newsprogram.
Youtube holds a wild Witch hunt everything linked to National Socialism or racism.

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InnesI
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:52 am 
 

To cook it down to the main arguments we have:

GTog wrote:
There's no "freedom of speech" issue here. Everyone is free to own their own server, host their own videos, and write their own racist rants. And everyone else is free to not index your web page on their search engine, or host your video for you, or post your rants.


and

Unorthodox wrote:
The free speech argument is partially relevant while big tech is as monopolistic as it is (which, it seems the United States government is waking up to, in a remarkably bi-partisan way). Right now, it would be absolutely impossible to compete against YouTube. It would also be impossible to compete against Google's search engine. Imagine a world before the Internet, but instead of having a US Postal Service (which guarantees the first amendment) there's only a couple of private mailing services. Now imagine those few mailing services only letting you send mail they didn't find offensive. I mean, sure- you could start your own mailing service. But your chances of failing are close to 100%. That's kind of the situation right now.


Theoretically I tend to agree that a privately owned company should be able to choose what material is published. But in practice it can easily turn into something that is not very attractive because some companies almost have a monopoly on the market. This is what I think is a major problem of capitalism (as we know it). It sure is against state monopoly but it doesn't stop monopoly from happening if it is through the means of the market. Thus while it isn't state censorship it is clearly censoring certain opinions to the vast majority of people in a state (and who knows what ties the state has to the corporation).

At the same time I think most people wouldn't want to set it completely free either. I don't know about the US but in Sweden we do have laws against promoting violence and defaming other people (but also other laws that take it further than that).

Personally I consume a lot of media from many different sources, not so much on YouTube but many podcasts. I really enjoy that I have access to different perspectives instead of relying on one "right perspective" being given to me from the state or a powerful company.

And while I'm at it we can also touch on the algorithms that builds a wall around us and feeds us with content that is similar to the stuff we have previously watched or listened to. I can both appreciate it and dislike it. I love to log in in on Amazon to get great book recommendations but I hate it when YouTube want's to recommend me some questionable content channel just because I was interested and watched a video of in Youtube channel X.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:54 am 
 

That's a shame, I think the guy's pretty much a lunatic, but he's an entertaining lunatic for the most part. This world has gone mad though, what seems like pretty much the whole of the UK's population is watching Love Island whilst the country goes to the dogs around them, lapping up even more TV about baking, home improvement, watching people on TV watching other things on TV, clapping for fame hungry losers who won't get a real job due to their entitlement, posting pictures of food on Facebook, etc. I really don't think people such as Varg are the problem, the majority of the world is too busy getting ready for the next trend, and love being told what to think, wear, watch, eat, listen to, have sex with and worship. People are too busy signing petitions to have the last season of their favourite TV show re-made as they didn't like the ending, rather than worrying about real issues such as...well, anything else really.

The thought police have already won, most people are brainwashed already and the deletion of Varg's channel is totally insignificant.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:00 am 
 

The thing that irks me the most is that youtube probably decided to crack down on these channels because of outside pressure from their advertisers and not because they felt morally obliged. Or else they would have shut them down a long time ago, right? So in an ironic sort of way the jewtube comment isn't that far fetched.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:35 am 
 

Youtube deleted my cover of GG Allin's "Bite It, You Scum" for "hate speech", though only the version uploaded on my channel, not the one that's been uploaded by a random user nine years ago or the version uploaded by my CDBaby account, and of course none of the original GG Allin versions are affected. I mean obviously that's because some dweeb false flagged it because some review or forum post of mine made him sad, but still it's weird because it shows that Youtube employees don't seem to do any checking at all on what's flagged and just delete false flags randomly and unchecked.

At least they got Varg about five years after his first content that's illegal in most Western countries, really fast acting there, just sad they wanna boost their deletion statistics to show off numbers of "deleted hate speech" by just deleting stuff randomly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:05 am 
 

i had to un-sub from his channel a long time ago, some of the crap he was saying i just couldn't be bothered with
BUT i did still jump on now and again to see what he was up to
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:19 am 
 

He's got a new channel. Otherwise he's also on Bitchute.

Youtube's becoming lame if it bans everything that's mildly uncomfortable or edgy. A lot of music has been deleted as well, to protect us all from ourselves...thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:24 am 
 

HaPoStaPu wrote:
Youtube's becoming lame if they ban everything that's mildly uncomfortable or edgy. A lot of music has been deleted as well, to protect us all from ourselves...thanks!

Problem is that it isn't Youtube looking for illegal content, they just delete what's flagged to them and knowing the internet the next thing will be a big "flag war" on Youtube with everyone randomly flagging everything by people they don't like, across the political spectrum.

(I assume with "mildly uncomfortable or edgy" you were speaking generally and not referring to Varg, since much of his stuff was literally illegal hate speech in most Western countries, including Louis' chosen home and his country of birth.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:57 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
HaPoStaPu wrote:
Youtube's becoming lame if they ban everything that's mildly uncomfortable or edgy. A lot of music has been deleted as well, to protect us all from ourselves...thanks!

Problem is that it isn't Youtube looking for illegal content, they just delete what's flagged to them and knowing the internet the next thing will be a big "flag war" on Youtube with everyone randomly flagging everything by people they don't like, across the political spectrum.

(I assume with "mildly uncomfortable or edgy" you were speaking generally and not referring to Varg, since much of his stuff was literally illegal hate speech in most Western countries, including Louis' chosen home and his country of birth.)


Is it just people flagging stuff? If Varg's videos are hate speech or mildly edgy, and how serious you take them/him, depends on your sensitivity, I guess. I'd think that he pretty much sticks to what's legal as surely he must be on some sort of watch list and France isn't the USA when it comes to free speech. In any case, you can hear and see worse things on street corners and in pubs, so personally I don't really worry about somebody voicing his/her opinions on Youtube. I like his channel (the pagan and BM stuff and the Christianity bashing are always entertaining. I mean how many people put a bucket over their heads and pretend to be Christians? He can be a pretty funny fucker), even though I don't agree with too many of his more extreme opinions.

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"Today, we're taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status," it wrote in a blog post.

It did not give any specific examples of accounts that would be removed.

It noted that some of those accounts are useful to researchers, and said it would try and work on ways of making sure they stay available. It also said the change would not affect videos that are discussing "pending legislation, aim to condemn or expose hate, or provide analysis of current events".

It will also alter its algorithm in an attempt to stop certain kinds of misleading and harmful videos, such as those promoting fake miracle cures or the flat Earth hoax, will stop being recommended in YouTube's "up next" sidebar. It will also encourage more authoritative videos to try and discourage people from being tricked by those stories.

It has already trialled the system to do this in the US, and said it has found success. It will bring it to more countries by the end of the year, it said, as well as tuning the algorithm so that it is more efficient and can spot more content, it said.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/youtube-supremacists-conspiracy-theory-accounts-delete-channels-users-a8945851.html

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:04 am 
 

HaPoStaPu wrote:
Is it just people flagging stuff?

Yes.

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If Varg is hate speech or mildly edgy, and how serious to take it/him, depends on your sensitivity, I guess.

No, the law doesn't depend on my sensitivity. Legislators never asked me about my sensitivity when they wrote the laws and in fact I wasn't even born yet when they did.

Varg has done holocaust denial on his channel, denied French war crimes in Algeria, defended crimes against humanity in European colonies in Africa, voiced extreme white supremacist views, promoted "Jewish world conspiracy" views, all that kind of stuff that'll have the cops knock on your door. Which they did of course, just Youtube didn't care. Youtube now tries to appease the crowds by randomly deleting everything that's flagged to make up for their years of inaction against illegal content, and panicky overcompensation almost never works better than doing nothing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:14 am 
 

I wonder what specifically got him shut down. In the video he says that he doesn't know, but it happened after he made that passive-aggressive video to Survive the Jive and The Golden One about Sweden banning rune symbols. Who knows. He is usually quite good at conveying a message without being explicit, making frequent use of (((...))) whenever anyone is in doubt about whom he is talking.

I can't really recall him saying anything explicitly that would fall under hate speech rules on YouTube (not talking about laws in Germany, Austria etc). The most glaringly racist thing he has said, to my memory, is that southern Europeans are not really white, and that European = Nordic. That said, his true views are hardly a secret, and his official website is filled with articles written by him that outline exactly what he thinks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:21 am 
 

Specific countries aren't the concern, only EU laws, since the copyright reform is in place as of today and aside from copyright it generally places the responsibility for illegal things its users do on social media platforms it means Youtube can also be charged under EU law now for other things besides copyright violations, including hate speech. The timing is no coincidence and media outlets instantly picked up in it. EU copyright law enacted -> Youtube deletes lots of stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:33 am 
 

That's interesting. I always got the impression that the American-based websites (Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter etc) were pushing back against EU regulations, so I'm surprised that they're doing this to appease the EU.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:38 am 
 

They're making billions here. Same reason they comply with ridiculous laws in China, Russia, Turkey or Saudi Arabia, if they go along with those dictatorships or quasi-dictatorships, they're not gonna have an issue with the much less invasive EU laws. They might send a protest note, but for them it's better to comply and keep the billions than not comply and not keep the billions.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:10 am 
 

I don't really care about Varg or other channels, however what I find difficult is that it is so easily done, the deleting of material. We kinda are in a day and age were the online world are the new history books sort to say, if we can delete stuff that easy (or even accidentally) without means of appeal it becomes a bit more scarier I guess. We get to a point were a honest mistake or a personal conflict can even cost you your online business. I know that these companies have the right to do whatever they want because it is their stuff but that also means you cannot build/fully trust on them for your band or company etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:14 am 
 

HaPoStaPu wrote:
Is it just people flagging stuff?


I think it is dependant on many things but I think flagging is by far the most common reason for the deletion of a video, post or whatever it might be. This is nothing new. Interest groups have done this IRL as well. We've seen the war against bands with NS-ties from anti-fascists but also with Satanic bands being banned from certain countries or areas because of lobbying from Christian groups. I'm sure there are more examples.

I've had friends being temporarily banned from facebook because of flaggings. But in their case it hasn't even been political or religious but about nudity. Generally mothers posting summery pictures of their children, not nude but perhaps with just shorts or underwear on, and someone has flagged it and they have gotten a time-ban. Of course one can debate whether its wise to post even these kinds of pictures of your children online but the banning has been because someone has flagged the picture.

droneriot wrote:
Specific countries aren't the concern, only EU laws, since the copyright reform is in place as of today and aside from copyright it generally places the responsibility for illegal things its users do on social media platforms it means Youtube can also be charged under EU law now for other things besides copyright violations, including hate speech. The timing is no coincidence and media outlets instantly picked up in it. EU copyright law enacted -> Youtube deletes lots of stuff.


The EU copyright law is something I'm seriously concerned about. Just one more thing that makes me question the EU-project. We'll see how it is enforced but I don't like how it sounds when I read up on it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:25 am 
 

Youtube have censored the new Vikernes channel, I do not like the drift that is taking this ....

All this is fucking hypocritical, on YouTube still are videos of an Islamic Conference in Norway where the stoning and the punishments collected in the Koran are normalized ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDZseyqpPU

The double standard always, and always in the same direction.

Varg Vikernes the strongest thing he has said is that the eyes and hair is clear European native.

We live in the dictatorship of the politically correct, in a hyper-sensitized society where governments treat their citizens as children, telling them what they have or not to consume.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:29 am 
 

That's not the strongest thing Varg has said, violent Islamic content is also removed if flagged, and Youtube is not a government. Your entire post was just a collection of deliberate misinformation. The thread would do best if deliberately dishonest propaganda was kept out of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:31 am 
 

InnesI wrote:
I've had friends being temporarily banned from facebook because of flaggings. But in their case it hasn't even been political or religious but about nudity. Generally mothers posting summery pictures of their children, not nude but perhaps with just shorts or underwear on, and someone has flagged it and they have gotten a time-ban. Of course one can debate whether its wise to post even these kinds of pictures of your children online but the banning has been because someone has flagged the picture.


i think there's probably some automated image recognition stuff going on as well, that might ban pictures it thinks are violating any policy - doesn't necessarily have to be about flagging
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:35 am 
 

Yes, policies against child porn are enforced in many ways and a lot more strongly than anything else and that's how it should be.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:52 am 
 

raumr wrote:
That's interesting. I always got the impression that the American-based websites (Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter etc) were pushing back against EU regulations, so I'm surprised that they're doing this to appease the EU.

Companies don't give a shit (while they make money) but have to comply with EU regulations (and thanks, God!). :thumbsup:

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