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Author:  sevenwinter [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:40 am ]
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I am watching the Metal Evolution Shock Rock Episode on my PVR, and toward the end they are talking about Slipknot.. and i had to rewind this because i could not believe what i just heard.. Mr Monte Conner Seniop Vp A&R Roadrunner Records, talking about clown shawn crahan that he had a decomposing crow , and that he would inhale this stuff to feel the evil and feel the death... At first i was just shocked after hearing this as everybody know that this story go way back to the mid 80's with Dead's era with Mayhem. How uninspired this man can be to try to make us believe shit like that,like nobody is going to notice that this is a total ripoff of Mayhem ...Right now im just unimpressed with this show..
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Author:  Metal_Detector [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:49 am ]
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Why anyone already familiar with metal and its various genres and history would possibly watch this show is a complete mystery to me. It's pretty much worthless save for the most barebones of information. We're better than this.

Author:  enigmatech [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:51 am ]
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Ozenrol wrote:
specifically black metal. Dunn doesn't know much about the genre at all, and he obviously dislikes it

Actually, the official Metal: A Headbanger's Journey DVD comes with a mini-documentary he made specifically about Black Metal, which he made due to complaints that black metal was treated unfairly in the original movie. Also, he wore an Enslaved shirt in his appearance on That Metal Show, so my guess is that he is a fan.

Author:  Notorious Arab [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:39 am ]
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sevenwinter wrote:
talking about clown shawn crahan that he had a decomposing crow , and that he would inhale this stuff to feel the evil and feel the death...
hahahahaha

I don't know what's so evil about slipknot, maybe it's the intense man to man cock sucking action that happens on their concerts.

Author:  Tezcat [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:37 am ]
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sevenwinter wrote:
Mr Monte Conner Seniop Vp A&R Roadrunner Records, talking about clown shawn crahan that he had a decomposing crow , and that he would inhale this stuff to feel the evil and feel the death... At first i was just shocked after hearing this as everybody know that this story go way back to the mid 80's with Dead's era with Mayhem. How uninspired this man can be to try to make us believe shit like that,like nobody is going to notice that this is a total ripoff of Mayhem ...

I am 99% sure that most of the mallcore kids and VH1's regular audience do not have the smalles idea of what Mayhem actually is or who Dead was... and most of them won't not even know, neither care about it. They will just go "oooooh that's sick, duuuude!", will talk about it with their friends and they will forget about it in three weeks or something. brainless mainstreammedia consumers, anyways.

Author:  MalignantThrone [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:40 pm ]
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Notorious Arab wrote:
sevenwinter wrote:
talking about clown shawn crahan that he had a decomposing crow , and that he would inhale this stuff to feel the evil and feel the death...
hahahahaha

I don't know what's so evil about slipknot, maybe it's the intense man to man cock sucking action that happens on their concerts.

Whoa, a guy who uses homosexuality as an insult! Stand back, everyone, this dude's hardcore!

Author:  americanholocaust [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:42 pm ]
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Notorious Arab wrote:
sevenwinter wrote:
talking about clown shawn crahan that he had a decomposing crow , and that he would inhale this stuff to feel the evil and feel the death...
hahahahaha

I don't know what's so evil about slipknot, maybe it's the intense man to man cock sucking action that happens on their concerts.


Even I can do better than that. :roll:

Author:  metalevolution1 [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:19 pm ]
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As one of the writers of the show - no, not Sam or Scot, the other guy - I have to tell you, this discussion is fascinating. I love it, even if you hate the thing, which it seems like a shitload of you do.

Author:  PhilosophicalFrog [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:35 pm ]
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:lol: ohhh man. HOLLYWOOD INVOLVEMENT

I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate the thing...it's just so...mehhh.

Author:  metalevolution1 [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:18 pm ]
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PhilosophicalFrog wrote:
:lol: ohhh man. HOLLYWOOD INVOLVEMENT

I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate the thing...it's just so...mehhh.


Well, that's worse than hatred. But that's cool.

Author:  csehszlovakze [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:27 pm ]
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PhilosophicalFrog wrote:
:lol: ohhh man. HOLLYWOOD INVOLVEMENT

I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate the thing...it's just so...mehhh.

:D This made me laugh really hard.

BTW, is this series worth watching or I shouldn't waste my bandwidth on this? (The question is for those who watched the whole series so far and I'm aware there will be no extreme metal episodes, black and death metal doesn't need it anyway.)

Author:  godsonsafari [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:59 pm ]
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Quote:
BTW, is this series worth watching or I shouldn't waste my bandwidth on this? (The question is for those who watched the whole series so far and I'm aware there will be no extreme metal episodes, black and death metal doesn't need it anyway.)


If you ask me the earlier episodes are spot on and everything else after that is...suspect. I haven't seen the nu-metal episode yet though I'm really interested to just to see how that topic is broached. However, the grunge episode can be aptly referred to as a "hot mess" in terms of editing and not having a proper focus for the subject matter the show is supposedly about. The way the thrash episode concluded was a bit subpar also even if I happen to agree with much of the conclusions.

Author:  StevenWright [ Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:03 am ]
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The nu derp episode ends with him saying that it had 'more of an effect on metal than he ever imagined' or something but I don't think he ever said that it was metal.

Author:  godsonsafari [ Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:01 pm ]
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LOL he really said that at the end of this? I actually believe that he would but also that it is so, so wrong. The long term after effects are Linkin Park: Poor Mans U2 and that the world hates Fred Durst.

Author:  godsonsafari [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:37 pm ]
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And watched the nu-metal episode:

First, let me wax poetic in masturbatory fashion: I consider nu-metal "metal", which is an unpopular view with "true metal fans". When I was 17-18-19 and wore metal shirts and went to shows, I would vociferously claim they weren't. In retrospect, I was an annoying, stupid kid defending a "lifestyle" that doesn't need or deserve defense. Whether or not it is "true" heavy metal is something for a limited number of insular people within the heavy metal scene to debate, but outside that small bubble, where the actual definitions are made and lie, it is heavy metal. I don't like the bands, but I don't like the majority of "true metal" bands either. Crap is crap regardless of aesthetic choices.

As for the show: Pantera, Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine, and Anthrax are all presented as being preambles to Korn and the nu-metal movement. I'd argue that RATM probably belongs "in the movement", but I can see for the value of timeline and continuity why this wasn't the case. Your major players in the genre (minus Kid Rock; unavailable due to Hep treatments?) are all interviewed and some time line is given about when and how it blew up, as it had been with the other genres detailed. I think a lot could have been mentioned in terms of development and records that shaped the genre if they wanted (Suicidal Tendencies, Biohazard, the Judgement Night Soundtrack), but again; time constraints, I understand.

I don't think there's any great revelations here. Korn got popularity, lots of musicians in LA decided to copy the sound and bought Ibanez 7 strings, Ross Robinson recorded half the records, everyone hates Limp Bizkit now for Lollapolooza '99 turning into a debacle of epic and legendary proportions (compared to Altamont!), now Linkin Park sells a lot of records. I can agree with Disturbed's vocalist that maybe being called nu-metal was unfair...but so was Anacrusis being thrash, and no one really cares to change things. Especially when you're just a slightly heavier version of Nickleback. If you have opinions about any of these things, its unlikely that the interviews will sway you in any way. Unless you're 15-16-17 and you weren't aware when these things were happening (which is a possibility here, I admit) there's not a lot you'll learn.

At the end Dunn is just like "Well, nu-metal had an effect and I still don't like it" which is LOL stuff right there. Also, while I know Jon Davis has a not so secret affection for death metal from when he was a kid, I wonder if the Cannibal Corpse shirt was a conscious decision rather than something he just happened to be wearing. I mean, they interviewed the guy on the roof of a building, so I'm guessing the publicist had him throw it on.

Author:  Adept128 [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:05 pm ]
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metalevolution1 wrote:
As one of the writers of the show - no, not Sam or Scot, the other guy - I have to tell you, this discussion is fascinating. I love it, even if you hate the thing, which it seems like a shitload of you do.

My opinion on the show is it is a well-made and interesting documentary series for the genres covered, but IMO it cannot be classified as the be-all end-all true history of metal that it claims to be, largely because of the lack of extreme metal coverage (though I know you would need to jump through some serious hoops to get vh1 to agree) as well as the overabundance of non-metal coverage (anyone with a brain knows that Nickelback have absolutely nothing to do with metal, as well as the entire Early US metal and Grunge episodes).

Author:  dtfan08 [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:59 pm ]
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So, power metal episode. The start mentions Manowar, Hammerfall and Blind Guardian. "Power metal is completely alien to me (WUT)". Well, he said it was because he was in Canada and said there wasn't really a power metal scene in Canada. They talked about how European music, its culture and the orchestra. First band talked about was Hammerfall. Not bad. They were talking about their origins and how Wacken 97 helped them know people liked to still listen to power metal. After, they talked about Rainbow and how they were the first "fantasy metal" band (Good, like I predicted in one of my last posts). Also, we get it, Sam, Ronnie's death was untimely, stop telling us. You already told us before. They also said they guy who pioneered the power metal vocal style was Rob Halford. Okay. Then, talking about how having 2 guitarists gave them more dynamic range, which somehow linked them to Iron Maiden, which were called "the first sing-along metal band". After, he goes to visit Germany to interview the Scorpions and how they influenced German metal. Then they were interviewing Accept and how they said they were heavier, and following that was Helloween and how they improved. Next, it was Yngwie Malmsteem and how he turned the genre into a neo-classical phenomenon. Not so sure why they decided to say that he was hard to track down for interviews, since they interviewed him anyway, so it's not like he couldn't interview him. They alsot talked about how they took the genre to a new level by letting keyboards play a bigger role in the band. Then came Manowar and how they were labeled "True Metal". He couldn't get Joey Demaio, so he got the founding guitarist for an interview. "Then came Dragonforce to redefine the future of power metal." Fuck. Herman Li, saying he used to be in death metal bands but got kicked out due to too many guitar solos. Also, they mentioned how the people didn't like them because people got into them because of Guitar Hero, and they said that it was through this vehicle they pushed power metal into the mainstream. Then it was Nightwish who took the genre all the way to the top of the European charts. Final part discussed how festivals like Wacken kept power metal alive.

Also saw the preview for the season finale, on Progressive Metal, featured some footage of Rush.

Author:  Spiner202 [ Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:11 am ]
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The power metal episode was only the second one I saw but I thought it was great. If anything, it proved that we really need a good full-length documentary on the genre.

There were really only two issues I had with this episode:

1. Dunn seems to think that every time the word metal is put after another word, it's somehow a new genre. True metal definitely refers to something, but it's not a sub-genre and really shouldn't be taken all that seriously.

2. There's no doubt that Dunn was right in that power metal is much bigger in Europe, but it's not exactly dead in North America. I appreciate that there isn't enough time to include a lot of North American bands, but he seemed to think that there's no presence of the genre in North America.

Despite those two criticisms, I really liked the episode and I'm happy they included a lot of HammerFall :D

Author:  godsonsafari [ Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:19 am ]
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So, they talked about how Jesper wrote all of Hammerfall's songs for them the first couple records like they were a boy band? LOL. I am seriously interested to see this.

Author:  StevenWright [ Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:10 pm ]
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enigmatech wrote:
Ozenrol wrote:
specifically black metal. Dunn doesn't know much about the genre at all, and he obviously dislikes it

he wore an Enslaved shirt in his appearance on That Metal Show.


Man, I can't think of a time where he wasn't wearing an Enslaved t shirt

Author:  Slag [ Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:20 pm ]
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I'm curious if this show is getting any good reviews/publicity/whatever. Obviously we hate it here, but does anyone know how well it is being received in general?

Author:  Kutulu [ Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:21 pm ]
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metalevolution1 wrote:
As one of the writers of the show - no, not Sam or Scot, the other guy - I have to tell you, this discussion is fascinating. I love it, even if you hate the thing, which it seems like a shitload of you do.


Wait... This show has Writers?

Author:  lord_ghengis [ Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:21 pm ]
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It seems like most episodes have a pretty good if generic summary of events for the first half hour, and then meander aimlessly through random and scattered ideas for the last twenty minutes.

Author:  DemonHellSpawn [ Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:23 pm ]
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Grapist wrote:
VH1 is run by a bunch of trolls, so I take anything they say with a grain of salt. Seriously, anyone who can claim that the death of G.G. Allen was less shocking than Fergie wetting herself onstage with a straight face is clearly fucking with us.


And why on Earth would the death of G.G. Allin be considered shocking?

Author:  Myrtroen [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:37 pm ]
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As a fellow Canuck, I can see Dunn's viewpoint on metal to a certain degree (especially his views on Power Metal), and I think given the circumstances of being on VH1/Muchmusic he is doing a good job. However, caving on the Black and Death segments was just weak. NO mention at all on the Shock Rock episode, a slight passing word on the Thrash episode and beyond that, sweet f.a. At least he could have snuck some mini-segments in the other episodes pertaining to the two biggest subgenres active today! I really hope somewhere down the line the scrapped extreme episodes will come out to make this a more complete series. I personally cannot believe Nickelback got like 15 minutes of airtime and Mayhem/Burzum/Gorgorth etc. get a big fat zero.
On the positives though, I enjoyed the NWOBHM episode and the Thrash one was good too. The early part of the series was a little redundant and stretched a bit, but enjoyable to watch regardless. I do hope there is a season 2 so we can really get into the dirt and maybe even have a NSBM episode (far-fetched, but could you imagine the uproar by the USA Today crowd!).
Overall rating 8/10.

Author:  ld50 [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:06 pm ]
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metalevolution1 wrote:
As one of the writers of the show - no, not Sam or Scot, the other guy - I have to tell you, this discussion is fascinating. I love it, even if you hate the thing, which it seems like a shitload of you do.

I think that you should elaborate on some of the criticisms. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah.

I think that we'd especially like to hear about creative (I suppose that it would be more of "technical" control in the case) control.

Author:  americanholocaust [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:08 pm ]
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Kutulu wrote:
metalevolution1 wrote:
As one of the writers of the show - no, not Sam or Scot, the other guy - I have to tell you, this discussion is fascinating. I love it, even if you hate the thing, which it seems like a shitload of you do.


Wait... This show has Writers?


Every show has writers. Do you know how hard it would be for a host of a show to come up with enough material for multiple episodes all by himself?

Author:  godsonsafari [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:10 am ]
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The shock rock episode gets close to actively bad territory. The first half of the program is spent basically rehashing material from the first 3 episodes. When we finally get to something bordering on contemporary music, we get some bizarre stuff. Marilyn Manson disappeared because he was unable to cope with Columbine? Sure looks to me that he released more records after than before. Why is Rammstein being treated as deity here? Does anyone even care about Rammstein in the US anymore? Rob Zombie is interviewed, and in spite of being a helluva lot more popular than Rammstein and selling more records and being more relevant, its like he doesn't exist. The Slipknot interview with Clown can be defined as the most unintentionally hilarious interview of the entire show. Maybe the history of heavy metal.

The best moments IMO: "Daisy Berkowitz" basically saying that Marilyn Manson was a pussy because he wouldn't own up to Columbine and instead modeled himself as a paper tiger, and what seemed to be an intentional move to transition from Alice Cooper's restaurant and life as a nerdy golfer to the antiquated freakshows of the Coney Island boardwalk - it was almost as if to say that "shock rock" had entered the realm of kitsch and was beyond repair in this sense.

Author:  Lex Dangler [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:16 am ]
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In another five months I will be 41 years old. I started listening to metal when I was about 5. By the time I was 10 it became my life. I remember reading the reviews for bands in countless magazines and tape trading like it was yesterday. I recall standing at the magazine rack skimming through it to the last 15 to 20 pages to find articles about non-glam bands. Dunn isn't much younger than I am. He has a mainstream gig with VH-1 and he perpetuates their agenda with extremely amateurish research for someone purporting to be an anthropologist. Hell, his research isn't even up to the snuff of the basic research writing class I took years ago when I was working on my B.A.

Dunn does more harm than good. He regurgitates the same series of anecdotes from hard rock, glam rock, and 80's Thrash while making sure to interview the big players like Lars Ulrich and Vince Neil to clarify his points. Were he to actually do some research and produce a properly edited documentary, he could probably do a two hour episode for each genre (I am not gonna get into his dubious metal tree). Instead, viewers get an old rocker/metal fan synopsis whereby the same lame bands are continuously ejaculated into our living rooms from circa 80's Circus Magazine. This fits in well with selling the metal brand as dangerous and irreverent, but not so inaccessible that phoney cool old farts like Eddie Trunk and the others lames on That Metal Show, remain cool. Overall the show is a complete farce, but has at least more historical value than the bible.

Fuck Dunn and the other assholes (fans, bands, and labels amongst many guilty) responsible for watering down metal and for providing misinformation with proper information to create confusion.

Author:  dtfan08 [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:00 am ]
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So, the final episode on progressive metal just played. Started off with interviews with Mastodon and how they like metal but prog rock was always with them. This led to an interview with Steve Hackett from Genesis, Chris Squire from Yes, and Michael Riles from King Crimson, who one of the interviewees labeled as proto-thrash metal, even though Sam said that none of them were metal themselves. After, it was interviewing the members of Rush and how progressive music and hard rock made their style and also how their writing shifted from the first album to Caress of Steel. It transitioned to how 2112 cemented their place in rock and how they changed with Permanent Waves. With Rush and the British prog rock bands changing their sound, it was time for the new generation of progressive metal and that start was Queensryche, thus we have Sam Dunn with an Opeth shirt interviewing Geoff Tate and how NWOBHM and prog inspired them. Also they were talking about how Operation Mindcrime had such a significant sound and also interviewed its producer (forget his name) about it, saying it was based on stuff like The Wall, Tommy and Quadrophenia. After they streamlined their sound, it was talking about Dream Theater, interviewing Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci, saying it was basically Metallica meets Yes. And how they were there as a void for the grunge explosion or something like that. And they also showed some clips from the Score DVD. Then to sort of basically be in the middle of the progressive metal and alternative phases of the 90s, they went into Tool, but they couldn't be tracked down so they interviewed one of their producers, saying they made a post rock boom. It went from Tool to Meshuggah combining progressiveness with a new level of brutality, using all of the instruments as rhythm, including the vocals. After, it was Dilinger Escape Plan, labeled as math metal, so they be aggressive as possible, going totally insane and how they were the most dangerous bands, wanting to take people out of their comfort zone. Then it just goes back to Mastodon, who wanted to play music as a collective, making sure everything fit, occasionally throwing a curveball to pay homage to progressive rock, talking about how its the musicianship that connects it all together. They were also talking about the thought process behind what made the Leviathan album. They say that progressive metal is the most interesting genre as everybody wants to see really talented people playing. So how does this series end? Sam says its the commitment to pushing boundaries and continuing to one-up others that will always keep metal alive over one final look over his chart of metal. So, yeah. That was Metal Evolution.

Author:  ~Guest 226319 [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:25 am ]
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Seems that the recurring theme was fully articulated in the title of the show, as well as the prescriptive conclusions he would ultimate extoll.

Author:  absurder21 [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:19 am ]
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Went in to depth about fucking Dillenger Escape Plan, Tool and went on about Rush forever and he completely skipped Uriah Heep, Fates Warning, Opeth, SymphonyX/Pain of Salvation/Nevermore/Cynic/Pagan's Mind/Ayeron(would be nice if even just some were at least name dropped or something), yet instead I think he then went on to say Rhapshody of Fire, Blind Guardian and Iced Earth were progressive metal. Maaaybe Blind Guardian, but wow(considering he did a power metal episode previous to this it's even more laughable). And I guess I have to eat my words as Dunn really made it sound like it was the end of the below sub-par thing. Wow...What a pathetic sell out piece of shit.

Author:  zuke2323 [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:19 am ]
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absurder21 wrote:
Went in to depth about fucking Dillenger Escape Plan, Tool and went on about Rush forever and he completely skipped Uriah Heep, Fates Warning, Opeth, SymphonyX/Pain of Salvation/Nevermore/Cynic/Pagan's Mind/Ayeron(would be nice if even just some were at least name dropped or something), yet instead I think he then went on to say Rhapshody of Fire, Blind Guardian and Iced Earth were progressive metal. Maaaybe Blind Guardian, but wow(considering he did a power metal episode previous to this it's even more laughable). And I guess I have to eat my words as Dunn really made it sound like it was the end of the below sub-par thing. Wow...What a pathetic sell out piece of shit.



That is just really, really bad. It's perfectly fine to cover only the mainstream bands if one so desires, but to have such a false understanding of genres is just ridiculous ( I know this is certainly not his first time getting genres wrong, but that is awful). Why would you do a Power Metal episode and then mention Rhapsody, Iced Earth, and Blind Guardian in the Progressive Metal episode? That just makes no fucking sense.

Oh and the Shock Rock episode was aggressively terrible. Dunn's obsession with Alice Cooper is almost unnerving.

Author:  ErectileProjectile [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:03 am ]
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Oh lord...I've seen a few episodes of this show out of curiosity (how often to you see Metal in a program's name?) and every episode was just facepalm; Samm Dunn is a poseur.

Author:  Notorious Arab [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:38 am ]
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ErectileProjectile wrote:
Oh lord...I've seen a few episodes of this show out of curiosity (how often to you see Metal in a program's name?) and every episode was just facepalm; Samm Dunn is a poseur.
I don't think he's a poser, he's just less knowledgeable.

Author:  Xlxlx [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:35 am ]
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Notorious Arab wrote:
ErectileProjectile wrote:
Oh lord...I've seen a few episodes of this show out of curiosity (how often to you see Metal in a program's name?) and every episode was just facepalm; Samm Dunn is a poseur.
I don't think he's a poser, he's just less knowledgeable.

Only "less knowledgeable"? The guy doesn't know shit. Even I could make a series that is 10 times better AND more accurate than this pile of bollocks if I had the time and money. The fact that a 16 year old brat such as myself knows more about metal's history and development than a seasoned veteran like Dunn is pathetic.

Author:  ErectileProjectile [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:19 pm ]
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Notorious Arab wrote:
ErectileProjectile wrote:
Oh lord...I've seen a few episodes of this show out of curiosity (how often to you see Metal in a program's name?) and every episode was just facepalm; Samm Dunn is a poseur.
I don't think he's a poser, he's just less knowledgeable.


Creating a television program about metal and calling yourself a diehard metalhead in the same breath as grouping things like glam metal, nu "metal" and even grunge in with it is an extreme form of disrespect to metal, which is very unmetal, and the word poseur is used to describe the unmetal. He is 100% poseur just like every other kid that thinks they're the shit because they think they know metal; A few entry level bands like Enslaved and Venom does not excuse him from poseur status.

I know more about Hip-hop than Sam Dunn does about metal.

Author:  americanholocaust [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:29 pm ]
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absurder21 wrote:
Went in to depth about fucking Dillenger Escape Plan, Tool and went on about Rush forever and he completely skipped Uriah Heep, Fates Warning, Opeth, SymphonyX/Pain of Salvation/Nevermore/Cynic/Pagan's Mind/Ayeron


See this is the issue with having a forty minute show that is suppose to cover one metal genre. That is way too vague... It's just namedropping, there is no way he could go into extreme detail about the the different kinds of progressive metal.

Author:  Dettigers [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:57 pm ]
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dtfan08 wrote:
Then it was Nightwish who took the genre all the way to the top of the European charts. Final part discussed how festivals like Wacken kept power metal alive.


To me no matter what any one says with out Power metal there would be no such thing as Symphonic metal. Power metal had a really big hand in make the sound of symphonic metal the one use being the keyboards. Sure it was Therion that really pushed it but then Nightwish also took and moved the sound more.

It's why at times I don't get why so many female fronted metal bands get the gothic metal tag thrown on them. Early Nightwish, Edenbridge, HolyHell, Amberian Dawn, etc are power metal bands. Some such as Nightwish changed into a more symphonic metal others stayed power metal.

Author:  VHSDVD123 [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:59 pm ]
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Being a huge power metal fan, I am not even going to get into how blatantly misinformed and ignorant this episode was. I was literally cringing half the time, right from the beginning "Uh yeah power metal is completely alien to me, its cause I cant understand it cause I don't live in Europe and don't have viking blood in my veins" -_- yeah, that's all I'm gonna say, I wouldn't recommend any fan of power metal watch it.

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