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sismo
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:20 pm 
 

Hey guys, got two copys of Satyricon Nemesis Divina on CD. But i can't find more information of the edition.
Maybe someone can help me to find the edition.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:13 am 
 

9317507732220
Fog 010 ? it's meant to be FOG 012 [weird]
It's clearly Japanese
What does that sticker on the front cover say?
Where did they come from?

It can be added to Discogs if you have the time/inclination
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:42 am 
 

The Satyricon cd has the same barcode as the modern invasion music cd

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sismo
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:42 pm 
 

Sorry for the huge photos without spoiler.

The sticker on the front say:

Grabacion Original, rutamusic.com por G.M.G

i've two of them, i think they has been bought in "Feria del disco" an old music store from my country, Chile.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:02 am 
 

Well I find this irritating, this guy is getting discs made and selling them on Discogs, which they say is ok.
He has over 3000 bootlegs for sale:
http://www.discogs.com/seller/LAF1/profile?controller=_mp_facets&format_desc=Unofficial+Release

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:30 am 
 

If the stuff he is selling was added as "unofficial release" then Discogs can't do anything, since they must abide by their own ruling. You can sell bootlegs, as long as it's advertised as such. At least it's not like Ebay where bootlegs are treated as official releases and they just can't seem to care about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:26 pm 
 

Yeah I feel that but these clowns are making the stuff to sell and it's legal as, uncool, UNCOOL :thumbsdown:
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heavymetalbanger1989
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:26 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
So we have another Sororicide bootleg now? repress? :scratch:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151430160562

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SORORICIDE "The Entity" CD 1991
Platonic Records PLAT CD 3

Cult Death Metal from Iceland!! New and Unplayed!! But NOT Sealed!
For fans of: ENTOMBED, DEMIGOD, BOLT THROWER, ASPHYX

This is a repress but inserts and prints like the original, Matrix PLACD-3 12 A1, not inverted matrix.


This is a different seller, but there was - last time I checked he wasn't selling any more - some asshole on ebay selling dozens/possibly hundreds of bootlegged copies of the entity on ebay AND there has not been a single legit copy any time I checked. Now I didn't track the search 24/7, but many rare albums I randomly search for from time to time often have a legit copy or two being auctioned off much of the time. ANYONE looking for a copy of the entity please be weary. Because we know for a fact there is at least one mass bootlegger and it's possible any copies that pop up are re-sales of bootlegged copies from people that either have no clue or that realize they have a bootlegged copy but might not want to disclose that in their auction. And if I recall correctly, the bootlegger was from Spain, if that makes any sort of a difference as to what's being sold and where it's located. I don't know how good the bootlegs were in contract to the real deal, but just a warning for everyone please be weary if you see an auction for this particular album.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:31 pm 
 

OK I just rechecked that auction and considering it is from Spain is a huge red flag. Either same seller reselling or same seller different username - which is weird because he has been around since 2004 but most feedback is from the past year. In any case, anyone selling multiple copies, especially brand new, of the entity is definitely a bootlegger. At least he states it is a "repress" but there was no such thing!! Please report him, anyone with an ebay account.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:16 am 
 

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This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing.
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I was sure I asked him about it but I can't find the message now...

And as if by magic one appears on Discogs
http://www.discogs.com/Sororicide-The-Entity/release/6196102

Alhaz666 is the seller, they are in Spain.
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Last edited by dreadmeat on Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
Looks like all the bootlegs are Spanish

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Zdan
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:59 pm 
 

Is there any final word on the Heavy Load's 1996 King/Nexus Records CD pressings of "Death Or Glory" and "Stronger Than Evil"? Are those bootlegs or not? I heard the argument that those were the only official CD pressings of Heavy Load material. Does somebody own those and can tell me how to recognize the originals from the bootlegs?

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halfformedfetus
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:26 am 
 

Hey guys, can anyone here help me identify if this is legit or if i have been ripped off with a bootleg, are there any tell tale signs from the original?

Abuptum - Orchestra Of Dark demo tape
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:33 am 
 

That doesn't really look 22 years old to me, I could be wrong though...
Feel like ripping the audio and analysing it with a spectrum analyser?
Which may not work if it was copied directly from tape but still...

smell - the paper could smell old and the tape shouldn't smell like much at all, if the tape smells like 'new plastic' then it's clearly not old.
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halfformedfetus
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:50 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
That doesn't really look 22 years old to me, I could be wrong though...
Feel like ripping the audio and analysing it with a spectrum analyser?
Which may not work if it was copied directly from tape but still...

smell - the paper could smell old and the tape shouldn't smell like much at all, if the tape smells like 'new plastic' then it's clearly not old.


Thanks alot for your reply! to be honest they don't really smell like much at all? analyzing it is out of my hands to.

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:13 pm 
 

Demo from 1992 ?

According to this site - http://vintagecassettes.com/basf/basf_files/ebasf95.htm

BASF Sound 1 90 was manufactured between 1995 - 1997

Not sure, if that source is real proof, but still.

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Asti78
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:43 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
Demo from 1992 ?

According to this site - http://vintagecassettes.com/basf/basf_files/ebasf95.htm

BASF Sound 1 90 was manufactured between 1995 - 1997

Not sure, if that source is real proof, but still.


That source is probably not correct, I mostly used this BASF cassette type back in my tape trading days as it was in my eyes best value for money and if I'm not totally wrong I bought this cassette already in 1992.

Concerning smell of paper and signs of use is no sign of verification in my eyes. I have demos which I bought in the early 90s and which have been played only 1 or 2 times and they look like they have been produced yesterday.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:45 pm 
 

Yeah I know, it's all part of the puzzle mate ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:17 am 
 

Funerus - Festering Earth
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Funerus/Festering_Earth

How many different versions of this are there?
I have this Digipak, green cover version
http://www.discogs.com/release/3745783

Then there's this one with the brown monster cover in I think a jewel case
http://www.discogs.com/release/1739730

And I just found this one with totally different artwork [shown at the top]
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290754343802

http://funerus.com/site80b4.html?id=releases_bd
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The "pre-release" was limited to 500 copies, it was later issued with different cover art as pictured below.

But there is no image shown...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:48 am 
 

This is the best thread on this forum still. Always interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:12 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Funerus - Festering Earth




there are at least 4 different versions: Digipack, photographic artwork (in two different colours, first press IMO, jewel case) and the monster one (jewel case, I have that one).

http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/83093

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:24 pm 
 

Good one! :thumbsup:
My digipak is very cheap looking...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:07 am 
 

Can someone identify what version of Handle With Care by Nuclear Assault this is?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nuclear-Assault- ... 2343a16ff9

Seller says it is original 1989 In-effect, but all of the other in-effects that I can find are a green cd like this
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nuclear-Assault- ... 43d1b88797

the black disk says 'made in usa', and has a code below the compact disk stamp that the green one doesn't have. is it legit?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:21 am 
 

CRC = Columbia Record Club, it's quite possibly a "club edition".

Also DIDY = DADC http://www.discogs.com/label/264352-DADC
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:31 am 
 

So would it still be filed onto discogs here? http://www.discogs.com/Nuclear-Assault- ... se/3310232

Or should it be added as a completely separate version?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:34 am 
 

kyzanar wrote:
So would it still be filed onto discogs here? http://www.discogs.com/Nuclear-Assault- ... se/3310232

Or should it be added as a completely separate version?

That one you linked to I actually have :nods:
It's a unique release so needs to be added separately, you need to check every version in there already though.
You can only add things in your possession.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:21 pm 
 

Stupid question - but there was no ifpi in 1993?
Just got Mercyless / Coloured Funeral and it CD itself is in TOP condition for 1993 :-)

CD and matrix

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:58 pm 
 

^Definitely legit. Dureco made probably 50% of CDs released by indie labels in mainland Europe at that time.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:40 pm 
 

Yeah, that font is legit too.

SID codes were introduced in late 1993, early 1994, and their adoption was faster/slower depending on the size of the companies pressing CDs. The larger the company the faster they'd adopt it, the more underground the slower.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:59 pm 
 

I'm pretty sure Dureco changed to Sonopress around that time too.. or were those two different factories?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:11 pm 
 

chaossphere wrote:
I'm pretty sure Dureco changed to Sonopress around that time too.. or were those two different factories?

Two different companies actually. ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:13 pm 
 

Ah, so Dureco made 50% and Sonopress made the other 50% :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:22 pm 
 

I see what you did there. :P

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This doesn't look right... booklet has barcode and matrix is on bottom instead of top. Was sold as this release:

http://www.discogs.com/Artillery-By-Inh ... se/3168032
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:34 pm 
 

Looks like just repress with barcode.

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kyzanar
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:46 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
Looks like just repress with barcode.


Ok. Could you explain how you can typically tell that something is just a repress and not unofficial/bootleg? (sorry for noob questions)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:51 pm 
 

If you mean the orientation of the matrix, it's irrelevant.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:54 pm 
 

kyzanar wrote:
drobowik wrote:
Looks like just repress with barcode.


Ok. Could you explain how you can typically tell that something is just a repress and not unofficial/bootleg? (sorry for noob questions)

There's no single defining characteristic, you need to look at the whole picture: is the seller selling lots of cheap originals, is he from a country known for bootlegs,what does the feedback say etc
Does the thing look/feel/smell old, does it have wear from age, is the ink faded, does it have SID codes or a matrix that lists an old manufacturer or logo, does it SOUND quiet compared to a new album etc

They are all pieces of the puzzle
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:18 pm 
 

The price in this case is also a good indication, since By Inheritance usually fetches high sums.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:59 pm 
 

That CD looks like it was pressed sometime around 1992. It's not an original, but Sonopress started making all their discs with the silver foil going through to the centre part in 1993.
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