Hi,

I'm looking for a Helloween artwork, and I couldn't find it in any of the album cover CDs in the site.

It was their pumpkin using headphones with some CDs spread around it.

If anyone could find me a version of it or even give me a hint of where it was from, I would appreciate it.

Thx, bye.

So I've just bought the 2004 Sanctuary single-CD edition of Motörhead's Bomber from a proper shop and sealed, but in the booklet it has the tracklist of the 2CD edition.

Can anyone confirm whether it's simply like this (I know mistakes and shortcuts occur sometimes), or has the booklet likely been mismatched somehow?

When I zoom your CD picture, I can see clearly matrix code and it looks like typical SONOPRESS matrix.
Same font, same matrix code type.
Next thing, old first presses comes typically without barcode.
Represses typically provided with barcode.

And if you don't see any IFPI codes, it should be manufactured before 1994, because after that year almost all CDs from major labels were manufactured with IFPI codes.

It mostly depends, if you buy it from collector or internet/music shop.

When you buy it on flea market or places like that, price indicates nothing.

Prestige - Selling The Salvation cost me 3eur on flea market, it's same as free

Yeah, that's true. But since we were talking about online shopping I didn't feel the need to be that specific.

do you mean of that particular album? his one has a barcode, whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?!

Roadrunner started using barcodes some time in the mid 80s, so it's safe to assume every pressing of By Inheritance would have a barcode.

Yeah probably just Sanctuary being lazy. That happens a lot when there's multiple versions of a reissue.

what makes you think that?

It's a Sonopress disc with a transparent centre. Roadrunner switched from Dureco to Sonopress in late '91/early '92 and Sonopress started pressing all their discs with silver foil going all the way through to the the centre in sometime during 1993. Example:




Top is Sepultura - Arise 1991 Dureco
Middle is Deicide - Legion 1992 Sonopress
Bottom is Deicide - Amon: Feasting the Beast 1993 Sonopress

do you have a source for this information? I highly doubt this true. This would mean all european versions of f.e. Consuming Impulse and first Annihilator, but also the whole Price Killers Serie would have been pressed in 91/92, because never in my life I have seen these with DURECO in the matrix, nor can I find these versions on google.

Yeah, I don't believe this to be true as well. Wasn't Sonopress used for US presses and Dureco for European ones?

I'm making wild guesses since all really I have to go by is my own collection. All I know is most of my original pressings of pre-'92 CDs are made by Dureco, possibly they used both companies alternatively when pressing bigger releases like Sepultura etc. Roadrunner USA didn't start using Sonopress until much later, and those discs look completely different to the European ones. Unfortunately I lost or traded a shitload of CDs from that era so my reference database is a bit skewed, but I definitely remember a few being made by Dureco since those ones usually had "Made by Dureco" printed on the disc label.

http://www.discogs.com/Sepultura-Arise/release/566066 <-definitely mastered by Dureco. Whereas Consuming Impulse is Sonopress. So yeah, they were obviously using both facilities from the late 80s to the early 90s but by '92 they were sticking to Sonopress as literally every RR disc I have from then onwards is Sonopress.

edit: Just checked my old "Dead Embryonic Cells" maxi-single and that one is Sonopress USA, but I have no idea when it was actually manufactured. All the other old RR USA discs I have/used to have were made by "Disc Manufacturers Inc".

Interesting... I'd love that the rest of the usual suspects would pitch in on this subject as well.

I just saw Lääz Rock - Nothing Is Sacred and Death Angel - Fall From Grace are DURECOs.

but I also rather think that they just used both plants back then.

First Slayer album for example from 1984 even has a SONOPRESS matrix (german pressing):

http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/283

Definitely right. From my experience they even used SONOPRESS more often then dureco back in the mid to late 80s. I've got some early releases of bands like Racer X, Vicious Rumors, Crimson Glory and the like - some of those even pressings without barcode - and all of the ones i remember have been pressed at SONOPRESS.

Century Media used to let their early to mid 90s stuff been pressed at DURECO and later switched to other companies but Roadrunner from what i remember hardly ever used DURECO.

Roadrunner used other places too, ie Obituary - Slowly We Rot was done somewhere else. I guess it was mostly due to release schedules and they just got stuff manufactured wherever it was easiest or most convenient.

There's a Necrovore bootleg cd called "The Abysmal Plains of Hell." Does anyone have it and can tell me the quality of the cd/inserts? Is it as professional looking or does it look like something that was done on someone's home printer?

This can stay here for now but it will end up in the bootleg thread
viewtopic.php?p=1178232

inserts are glossy full-color and very professionally done, has a really great presentation, i scanned it all in for you to look over. The sound quality is probably best of all bootlegs as well, it's been run through some sound filters or something and volume was raised, it sounds much clearer and louder compared to "unreleased evil" bootleg.

Unfortunately here is bad part, the CD is a CDr. Disc has a black underside to hide this but it has no matrix/etc, also my computer treats it like a blank recordable disc when inserted. http://imgur.com/pO1njc0 it plays fine on stereo and maybe it's just my cheap internal drive failed to read it but i thought you should know your pc may have trouble reading it.

CDr will eventually fail so i would seek out other bootleg even if you buy this one, the unreleased evil bootleg is on a pro CD but presentation is very simple and sounds like it was ripped straight from an old tape. if you don't mind minimalist presentation or old crusty tape sound or depending on how much you hate CDr maybe pick up unreleased evil also or in place of abysmal plains. i can scan in unreleased evil inserts if you want, just let me know.

"The Abysmal Plains of Hell" scans
http://i.imgur.com/tTU5jAj.jpg booklet back / front
http://i.imgur.com/4czqHeK.jpg booklet inside 1-2
http://i.imgur.com/IswsYH9.jpg booklet inside 3-4
http://i.imgur.com/e7Pogwx.jpg booklet inside 5-6
http://i.imgur.com/e5ICLvm.jpg booklet inside 7-8
http://i.imgur.com/Jkq98tl.jpg booklet inside 9-10
http://i.imgur.com/lqIBz0m.jpg rear insert inside
http://i.imgur.com/KjDrcZj.jpg rear insert outside
http://i.imgur.com/8hMrvkT.jpg cd

A black CD-r?
Good job above mate, nice work.

http://www.discogs.com/Necrovore-The-Abysmal-Plains-Of-Hell/release/3550866
http://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/necrovore-the-abysmal-plains-of-hell.asp

http://i.imgur.com/wv8y29I.jpg cd bottom

First time I've seen a black CD-r

Very great job man, after that I surely looking forward this release...

can anyone explain in details their music?

Drifting_Remains, thanks you so much. That was beyond helpful info. I am going to go ahead and get it!

Dreadmeat, sorry I did not realize there was a special bootlegs thread. I have a few bootlegs - cannibal corpse demos, darkthrone demos, blind guardian demos - that are on that same type of black disc. Other than that I have never seen it either and it's a pretty sick looking disc I'll admit. Although they probably sell it in bulk at the computer store, haha.

I don't think it's a CD-R. At least I've never seen a CD-R that would look that way, it's so professional. Why the reading face is black is propably because it's black polycarbonate. Like on some Debemur Morti releases.

I just moved this lot over

That's a very odd looking CD-r

I've got a few of those black ones. Nothing new, but they are good. They're actually quite resistant to damage too.

And they are CD-rs not just standard CDs like those Century Media reissues?
Which albums?

They're just burnt copies of a few random rare CDs that were sent to me by a trader.. made by Memorex I think. I don't have any label releases that use black CDrs, I have a couple of those black Century Media reissues too. They strike me as a bit dodgy since you can't read the matrix and therefore would be much easier to bootleg

Incidentally the worst bootleg i've ever seen was a copy of Immolation - Here In After that a friend of mine got from a distro, I think it may have been Relapse but it was about 10 years ago so my memory is a bit fuzzed. Anyway, the inserts seemed perfectly legit but the disc was a fuckin CDr with a laser-printed label that was completely different to the proper disc design!

Yeesh, they weren't trying very hard


http://www.stufffundieslike.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/scorecards.jpg

Quick question about this release: http://www.discogs.com/release/369619

It states it has two different matrices, one mirrored which is depicted in the photos, and another one with SID codes accompanying it. Now, from what I've seen there are three first presses, two of those in black discs and another in a white one (which would be this specific release). My question is this, is there an early nineties repress of this version, also in a white disc? Because what I've received in the mail checks out against the SID codes/second matrix present in that release page. And if so, shouldn't that info be split into a) 92 first press, and b) "date" repress?

Let me know what you all think.

I'd say the second submitter just didn't enter the sid codes
The thing came out in 1992 so any sid codes is a repress or reissue [but you already know that]

But of course I do!

I was just asking to know if anyone else had this version or not. It's textbook legit when I look at it, it's just that I've always seen the "MASTERED BY MAYKING" matrices and have never seen any of those "MAYKING RECORDS" ones, you know?! And I have a bunch of old Peaceville stuff.

Do you know any info on the name/matrix style change? Maybe it happened during the mid-nineties, hence the change of matrices' style on represses?

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That font looks totally wrong, the Roadrunner logo isn't centred either... is it like that on the original?

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Can we have a link to the Ebay auction

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Looks like it could just be an original 1987 pressing. Sonopress have changed their matrix layout numerous times over the years.