what about this?, mastering sid code is IFPI L030, no mould code present, the odd thing is the lack of cat # and label name in the spine of the jewel case/back cover...¿!
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| Author: | drobowik [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Dio_For_Ever, of course that promo has ifpi codes. |
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| Author: | Dio_For_Ever [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
A general question for you all: If I compare two copies of the same CD, exactly the same issue, same matrix, the same sid code mastering, but one of the cds is missing the mould sid code, does this mean that the CD that has not mould sid code is a fake? |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Not necessarily, it could have been manufactured on a different machine or in a different location - repressed/replicated/duplicated. |
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| Author: | Dio_For_Ever [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
what about this?, mastering sid code is IFPI L030, no mould code present, the odd thing is the lack of cat # and label name in the spine of the jewel case/back cover...¿!
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:10 pm ] |
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Dio_For_Ever wrote: what about this?, mastering sid code is IFPI L030, no mould code present, the odd thing is the lack of cat # and label name in the spine of the jewel case/back cover...¿!
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the disc/matrix looks fine, also that looks like a record club version. |
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| Author: | Dio_For_Ever [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:28 pm ] |
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dreadmeat wrote: Dio_For_Ever wrote: what about this?, mastering sid code is IFPI L030, no mould code present, the odd thing is the lack of cat # and label name in the spine of the jewel case/back cover...¿!
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the disc/matrix looks fine, also that looks like a record club version. and what about the spine? is not unusual the lack of cat # and label name? |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:47 pm ] |
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Unusual? not for a record club version no, I wouldn't think this is unusual. Also there quite possibly is a mould SID code but it's very feint It looks like this one http://www.discogs.com/Accept-Russian-Roulette/release/2202750 |
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| Author: | Dio_For_Ever [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
dreadmeat wrote: Unusual? not for a record club version no, I wouldn't think this is unusual. Also there quite possibly is a mould SID code but it's very feint It looks like this one http://www.discogs.com/Accept-Russian-Roulette/release/2202750 Yes, that is the version i have, but the back cover scan present in the database doesn´t have the spine. |
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| Author: | Dio_For_Ever [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
The last two!!! Wasp: no ifpi codes, just the matrix/runout code.       Ring of Fire (suspicion: in the cd says manufactured by Marquee inc. Japan but int the back cover says manufactured by Rock Empire Music licensed from Mugenkyo; matrix/runout: IFPI L715 MICP-9008A AE207A IFPI LB75 910921143N F1, mould code is IFPI 2N25)     
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Recall 2CD is just a cheap reissue label http://www.discogs.com/label/158904-Recall-2cd made by/manufactured by/pressed by/distributed by can all be different, some companies have multiple names/entities for different parts of the process also they can 'sub contract' certain parts of the process too eg printing the covers you may just have the US version of this http://www.discogs.com/WASP-Double-Live-Assassins/release/1801344 |
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| Author: | DigitalDictator [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Another general question: can a cd pressed by a legit plant be a fake??? Discogs is full of russian pirate releases like this: http://www.discogs.com/Manowar-Kings-Of ... se/5914769 If you look at the matrix, it looks totally legit, no doubt about it. Try to compare it with any Wea pressed cd that you have and you will agree. So, can it be really pressed by Wea? And if yes, what makes it a fake?? |
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| Author: | ~Guest 76452 [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Dio_For_Ever: I did a bit of research on that Ring of Fire, and you most likely have a licensed pressing. Rock Empire appears to be a Taiwanese label and I'm assuming that Avalon licensed it to them (Japanese labels often license stuff out to Korean and Taiwanese labels). Avalon/Marquee is a Japanese label that specializes in licensing international titles (they've had to have released over a thousand albums by now). Anyway, here's an auction in Japan for an original copy (hopefully its still active by the time you read this). The back pic is a bit blurry, but you'll see that it says "manufactured by Marquee inc" (not Rock Empire). |
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| Author: | Lane [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
I got that version of Accept's 'Russian Roulette' from a supermarket in Finland. For a cheap 6 Euros price. |
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| Author: | chaossphere [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
The Russian bootleg of Kings of Metal is really obvious, there's too much space around the matrix. WEA USA discs have a much narrower matrix area than that. |
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| Author: | drobowik [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Matrix code on Manowar CD don't look legit at all. |
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| Author: | DigitalDictator [ Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Ok guys, your eyes are definitely better than mine!! But I can't explain how could they copy perfectly the font and the Wea logo, and then make such a stupid mistake.. And what about this? http://www.discogs.com/Ozzy-Osbourne-Bl ... se/6140553 Again, the matrix looks totally legit to me... |
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| Author: | chaossphere [ Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Nope, it says "Sony Music". Official Sony discs of that type have "Sony DADC" in that field. Some recent ones say "Sony Music" but those are made by Sonopress, not DADC. |
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| Author: | DigitalDictator [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Thanks for your reply but I really don't understand what you are saying... I recently took some Judas Priest remastered, and they are undoubtedly Sony releases, with that kind of font, and with "Sony Music" in the matrix... Why should they be Sonopress pressings? Sonopress releases have totally different font and matrices... |
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| Author: | chaossphere [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
OK so I checked my AC/DC remasters and those do say Sony Music in that field.. so I was wrong, it used to say Sony DADC but obviously they've changed it within the last few years. I do have some other recent Sony discs that have the exact same appearance as Sonopress discs, literally the only difference is they have a Sony Music logo instead. Anyway that Ozzy one is fairly well done, even more so since what I thought was a dead giveaway was no such thing  Sony CDs pressed in Australia still say "Sony DADC" on the matrix, hence the confusion. I would provide pictures as examples but I don't have immediate access to a scanner.Anyway, the best way to avoid Russian bootlegs of major label releases is to just buy those discs from a store or a reputable online distributor, not from some random shady fucker on Discogs  It's not like Kings of Metal and Blizzard of Ozz are rare cult thrash albums that went OOP in 1989.
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Re that Ozzy CD above http://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/405805 |
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| Author: | chaossphere [ Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
This thread reminds me that I have seriously slacked off when it comes to looking at CD matrixes. I used to study that shit all the time but i'm obviously getting lazy in my old age. |
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| Author: | kyzanar [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Ok - question for you discogs users. I received a package from Latvia recently and all of the 'older' cd's I had ordered turned out to be bootlegs, despite being labelled as legitimate versions. The seller did refund me without much argument. Anyhow a few of these boots are not currently listed on discogs, and I would like to add them and include scans so other buyers can beware. Only problem is I don't know the year they were made or the country they are from, I am sure they are from Russia like most but I probably shouldn't say that if I'm not sure? Do I need all of this info in order to list them? |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
If the date is unknown use no date [blank field] If the country is unknown it should also be blank. List all/any issues/differences/faults in the notes Also file a support request so their behaviour is 'on record' EDIT: please list the releases in here |
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| Author: | kyzanar [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Quote: EDIT: please list the releases in here Alright here's the two I had to add: http://www.discogs.com/Sacrifice-Apocal ... se/6535349 EDIT: It appears that the Anacrusis cd is actually legitimate, albeit a different version than what he listed it as. I'm trying to hear back from someone about the matrix code for the Sacrifice cd. EDIT2: Nevermind, looks like it probably is a boot but of a different version... |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
So you know them to be bootlegs aye? Good work too by the way |
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| Author: | kyzanar [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:29 am ] |
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Quote: So you know them to be bootlegs aye? The Anacrusis disk is missing label code and SID codes and has a different matrix. The Sacrifice one I can't be 100% sure because there are no pictures up of the original, nor mastering code given, so I have nothing to go off other than it came with a bunch of other boots and the cd looks as cheap as the others, also the inserts don't appear aged at all. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
You do realise that SID codes not being present doesn't automatically make them not legit? Both albums came out in 1993 which is before SID codes were really in use [1994 is the commonly accepted date] Also Metal Blade quite often don't even use SID codes, I have no idea why. What did you compare them to, can you list ALL the CDs you got that you think are bootlegs, they may be well known ones. Also US releases almost never have Label Codes, what do you mean by Label Code, catalogue number? |
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| Author: | kyzanar [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:42 am ] |
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http://www.discogs.com/seller/kolya3440/profile This seller has multiple people in the neutral/negative feedback who had similar interactions (I should have paid attention to this, but I falsely assumed that a seller with 1,300+ transactions with 99.9% feedback would have his items listed correctly). And I'm comparing the Anacrusis to this: http://www.discogs.com/Anacrusis-Scream ... se/6022288 |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
^ which is German so has loads of different info on it: rights societies, label codes, distribution codes etc Those neutrals should be negatives, that's why it's 99.9% positive Nothing listed for sale... interesting, Discogs may have suspended his account, did you send a support request? this is very important. |
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| Author: | kyzanar [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:55 am ] |
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Quote: Nothing listed for sale... interesting, Discogs may have suspended his account, did you send a support request? this is very important. Interesting... I had assumed that he had just blocked me after I made him refund which was why no items were showing for sale. I haven't send the report yet because I wanted to make sure that these two were boots as well, however the Risk cd's he sent me are well known boots on discogs but labelled as the orginals. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
do it mate, do it do it do it  I hate bootlegging scumbags 
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| Author: | drobowik [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:18 am ] |
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kolya3440 is widely known bootleg seller, I wonder, why his account is not blocked yet on discogs. 1300+ transactions is possible, because lot of people cannot make difference between original and bootleg. Or in case of low price they just don't care. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
aha! so he is viewtopic.php?p=2394189#p2394189 |
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| Author: | DigitalDictator [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
kyzanar wrote: Quote: EDIT: please list the releases in here EDIT: It appears that the Anacrusis cd is actually legitimate, albeit a different version than what he listed it as. Are you sure about this? I've checked my copy of Anacrusis's Screams and Whispers and matrix is totally different: 33277ad-01b 14265-2 991910-16 94d2-1620 I am sure my copy is legit because I also have the reissue of Manic Impression and it has a very similar matrix with the same font. (cds bought in different years from different sellers) I think your copy is probably a boot... |
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| Author: | drobowik [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
By the way according to this http://www.discogs.com/seller/kolya3440 someone got hit already, I see no items to sell |
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| Author: | kyzanar [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Quote: Are you sure about this? I've checked my copy of Anacrusis's Screams and Whispers and matrix is totally different: 33277ad-01b 14265-2 991910-16 94d2-1620 Thanks for the info, been trying to seek that out. Also I think I can confirm the Sacrifice album being fake now, matrix says "MAKING RECORDS" instead of "MAYKING RECORDS". Regardless, seller has been reported. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
kyzanar wrote: Quote: Are you sure about this? I've checked my copy of Anacrusis's Screams and Whispers and matrix is totally different: 33277ad-01b 14265-2 991910-16 94d2-1620 Thanks for the info, been trying to seek that out. Also I think I can confirm the Sacrifice album being fake now, matrix says "MAKING RECORDS" instead of "MAYKING RECORDS". Regardless, seller has been reported. 
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| Author: | Dio_For_Ever [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
can someone help me with this cd? the obi that came seems like a photocopy, that is the reason of suspicion. no ifpi codes present.    
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| Author: | drobowik [ Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Bootleg. I have original one, I can later make scans of it. |
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| Author: | Dio_For_Ever [ Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
drobowik wrote: Bootleg. I have original one, I can later make scans of it. Please upload some photos, please!!!! |
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