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japc
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:43 pm 
 

Agreed. Discogs description is fit: http://www.discogs.com/help/doc/submiss ... l_Releases
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:50 am 
 

I bought what was supposedly a sealed original copy of this album but instead the CD is white and the back cover looks like a 2003 Scandinavian repress. Can anyone tell me if this is a bootleg based on the pictures shown here?

http://postimg.org/image/57kaivs1b/
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:53 am 
 

It's a repress. You'll notice the Plastic Head group logo over the barcode, they're the official distributor for these represses.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:19 am 
 

androdion wrote:
It's a repress. You'll notice the Plastic Head group logo over the barcode, they're the official distributor for these represses.


No, it is almost certainly a bootleg because there is absolutely no label code, rights society etc on the disc, it being white and does not match any of the versions on Discogs makes it look like a bootleg. Falsely advertised as a first press even when sealed you could see it wasn't the original.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:47 am 
 

I have this 1992 copy of "Descend into the Absurd" by Fleshcrawl and the black side of the CD and the Matrix and Barcode match up to the Discogs specs. But there is a tiny difference in my copy to the version listed on Discogs in the top right hand corner of the back cover as shown below. Is this simply a variant of the first press, a different version altogether, or a fake? Response would be greatly appreciated.

http://postimg.org/image/rlrhwkq7j/?_ga=1.112857158.355373833.1454409502

https://www.discogs.com/Fleshcrawl-Descend-Into-The-Absurd/release/922241
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:30 pm 
 

Well if you were so sure about it then why did you ask in the first place? If you're doubting about the disc itself then matrix and SID codes are a good place to look. Can't help you with the Fleshcrawl disc.
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HellFire Dragon wrote:
I have this 1992 copy of "Descend into the Absurd" by Fleshcrawl and the black side of the CD and the Matrix and Barcode match up to the Discogs specs. But there is a tiny difference in my copy to the version listed on Discogs in the top right hand corner of the back cover as shown below. Is this simply a variant of the first press, a different version altogether, or a fake? Response would be greatly appreciated.

http://postimg.org/image/rlrhwkq7j/?_ga=1.112857158.355373833.1454409502

https://www.discogs.com/Fleshcrawl-Descend-Into-The-Absurd/release/922241


Lets see the disc, top.

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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:19 am 
 

Any chance that this is legit? Printing quality + matrix font ... meh

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:54 pm 
 

Cancer - Death Shall Rise on Megart - is this a bootleg? The disc artwork always looked really weird to me, like home printer style. Sorry I don't have a picture. The booklet says printed in Canada but the disc itself is made in Colombia. I looked up Megart here on MA and they only have four releases total and the other three are unofficial. Can anyone verify?

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hmi
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:00 pm 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
When I see them popping up in Russia and Greece all the sudden I just assume the worst.


The worst part is you never know if someone might have bought a cd from them and is reselling it from the US without disclosing this info. I am super wary of buying stuff now that is also selling in Russia and Greece. (on ebay at least)

At least the Polish sellers tend to disclose bootleggy info.

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HellFire Dragon wrote:
I have this 1992 copy of "Descend into the Absurd" by Fleshcrawl and the black side of the CD and the Matrix and Barcode match up to the Discogs specs. But there is a tiny difference in my copy to the version listed on Discogs in the top right hand corner of the back cover as shown below. Is this simply a variant of the first press, a different version altogether, or a fake? Response would be greatly appreciated.

http://postimg.org/image/rlrhwkq7j/?_ga=1.112857158.355373833.1454409502

https://www.discogs.com/Fleshcrawl-Descend-Into-The-Absurd/release/922241



Hails, it is a later re-press. The difference is, that your copy only has an RTD (Rough Trade Distribution) Number and the firstpress also has a SPV Number. At some time around 1995 I think it was that Black Mark switched exclusively to Rough Trade, you can find this "phenomenon" with the missing SPV number on various re-releases (Bathory, Cemetary, Edge of Sanity, Flashcrawl and others). In most cases, the matrix numbers are exactly identical, in a few cases (e.g. Edge of Sanity - The Spectral Sorrows there is an additional IFPI number, hardly readable).
I think this answers your question, so your copy is legit, but a later re-press.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:19 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
Any chance that this is legit? Printing quality + matrix font ... meh


Looks perfectly legit, I used to have that version and it looked exactly like that.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:12 pm 
 

Asti78 wrote:
HellFire Dragon wrote:
I have this 1992 copy of "Descend into the Absurd" by Fleshcrawl and the black side of the CD and the Matrix and Barcode match up to the Discogs specs. But there is a tiny difference in my copy to the version listed on Discogs in the top right hand corner of the back cover as shown below. Is this simply a variant of the first press, a different version altogether, or a fake? Response would be greatly appreciated.

http://postimg.org/image/rlrhwkq7j/?_ga=1.112857158.355373833.1454409502

https://www.discogs.com/Fleshcrawl-Descend-Into-The-Absurd/release/922241



Hails, it is a later re-press. The difference is, that your copy only has an RTD (Rough Trade Distribution) Number and the firstpress also has a SPV Number. At some time around 1995 I think it was that Black Mark switched exclusively to Rough Trade, you can find this "phenomenon" with the missing SPV number on various re-releases (Bathory, Cemetary, Edge of Sanity, Flashcrawl and others). In most cases, the matrix numbers are exactly identical, in a few cases (e.g. Edge of Sanity - The Spectral Sorrows there is an additional IFPI number, hardly readable).
I think this answers your question, so your copy is legit, but a later re-press.


Thanks for that, I'm damn annoyed now as I paid 70 US dollars for it, waited three weeks for it and turns out it isn't the first press I wanted. Thanks again, gonna tell the seller.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:08 pm 
 

Big problem is that a lot of sellers have no clue about the edition they are selling. It might not be on purpose but lack of knowledge
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:43 pm 
 

A lot of people don't realise the little details between different pressings.. they just figure it's not an obvious reissue so it's "first press" when a lot of the time it's a repress with only very minor details, or even the only discerning factor is a different matrix on the disc.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:49 pm 
 

Asti78 wrote:
missing SPV number on various re-releases (Bathory, Cemetary, Edge of Sanity, Flashcrawl and others).


Cemetary first pressing was distributed by Rough Trade. There is no SPV version.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:58 pm 
 

BOOTLEG SELLER

David Horn

ex-SOD, current DOA zine editor

Email: davidhorn@hotmail.com
Phone: (314) 686-2624
Address: David Hornung 731 Heatherstone Drive, High Ridge, MO 63049


He sold me 11 CDs which he claimed to be original, but actually Russia bootleg!

You can find his Facebook post on Jan. 10th
https://www.facebook.com/david.horn.7587?fref=ts

Some senior collector can tell they are bootleg by just looking at the color of disk picture, but unfortunately I found out this when I'm received the package and compared the Matrix number with true original version on discogs.com, this deal ripped me 450 USD !!!

And David Horn stops replying any of my messages right after I pointed him out that he is selling bootleg, see how scrum this guy is!

These are the titles he sent together with price -

CEREMONY - Tyranny from Above (1993 Cyber Music) 35USD
This is original version


ANACRUSIS - Suffering Hour (1990 Metal Blade Records) 100USD
Russia BOOTLEG
This version: https://www.discogs.com/Anacrusis-Suffe ... se/6098921


VENDETTA - Go and Live…Stay and Die (1988 Noise) 50USD
Russia BOOTLEG
This version: https://www.discogs.com/Vendetta-Go-And ... se/8072377


ACCUSER - Double Talk (1991 Atom H Records) 35USD
Russia BOOTLEG
This version: https://www.discogs.com/Accuser-Double- ... se/3262170


DESPAIR - History of Hate (Mind Control Records) 60USD
Russia BOOTLEG
This version: https://www.discogs.com/Despair-History ... se/6278811


TARGET - Mission Executed (AAARRG Records) 35USD
Russia BOOTLEG
This version: https://www.discogs.com/Target-Mission- ... se/4771277


TOXIC SHOCK - Welcome Home (1990 Nuclear Blast Records) 40USD
BOOTLEG

TARGET - Master Project Genesis (2CD set) (Stormspell Records) 20USD
This is original version

SLAYER - Hell Awaits (1985 Metal Blade Records) 35USD
Russia BOOTLEG
This version: https://www.discogs.com/Slayer-Hell-Awa ... se/5081878


CRANIUM - Speed Metal Satan (1997 Necropolis Records) 20USD
Russia BOOTLEG
https://www.discogs.com/Cranium-Speed-M ... se/7613274


CRANIUM - Speed Metal Sentence (1999 Necropolis Records) 20USD
Russia BOOTLEG
This version: https://www.discogs.com/Cranium-Speed-M ... se/6875025


If anyone could lend me a help on this PLEASE let me know, I will be very thankful!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:56 pm 
 

hmi wrote:
Cancer - Death Shall Rise on Megart - is this a bootleg? The disc artwork always looked really weird to me, like home printer style. Sorry I don't have a picture. The booklet says printed in Canada but the disc itself is made in Colombia. I looked up Megart here on MA and they only have four releases total and the other three are unofficial. Can anyone verify?


Haven't gotten any responses yet. Does anyone know?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:30 am 
 

hmi wrote:
hmi wrote:
Cancer - Death Shall Rise on Megart - is this a bootleg? The disc artwork always looked really weird to me, like home printer style. Sorry I don't have a picture. The booklet says printed in Canada but the disc itself is made in Colombia. I looked up Megart here on MA and they only have four releases total and the other three are unofficial. Can anyone verify?


Haven't gotten any responses yet. Does anyone know?


Should be licensed for South America market only:

https://www.discogs.com/Cancer-Death-Sh ... se/3593082

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:14 am 
 

Any old Sinister experts? WTF is that TIS above the logo, and why can't I find anything about this "version" anywhere on-line? Was this album known for having somewhat shoddy photos in it?


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https://www.discogs.com/label/999-EastWest

EastWest was a label/distributor, they probably put their logo on everything they press.

https://www.musik-sammler.de/media/396208/

Not sure that all the numbers match up but you have a German version. This picture has the same logo. It's possible the exact press you own hasn't been categorized by anyone online yet?

I don't know what you mean by shoddy photos - the quality or what?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:52 am 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
hmi wrote:
Cancer - Death Shall Rise on Megart - is this a bootleg? The disc artwork always looked really weird to me, like home printer style. Sorry I don't have a picture. The booklet says printed in Canada but the disc itself is made in Colombia. I looked up Megart here on MA and they only have four releases total and the other three are unofficial. Can anyone verify?


Should be licensed for South America market only:

https://www.discogs.com/Cancer-Death-Sh ... se/3593082


I saw that version on discogs but everything else by that label is bootlegs or unknown. This says licensed but everything's user-submitted on discogs so who knows where they got that from? I was hoping someone would know more.

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hmi wrote:
https://www.discogs.com/label/999-EastWest

EastWest was a label/distributor, they probably put their logo on everything they press.

https://www.musik-sammler.de/media/396208/

Not sure that all the numbers match up but you have a German version. This picture has the same logo. It's possible the exact press you own hasn't been categorized by anyone online yet?

I don't know what you mean by shoddy photos - the quality or what?



Thanks for the info, just never seen this TIS logo on any NB stuff. By shoddy I mean the overall quality, inside photo is poor but it may simply be what the band submitted to the label to use.

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thesilentenigma wrote:
hmi wrote:
https://www.discogs.com/label/999-EastWest

EastWest was a label/distributor, they probably put their logo on everything they press.

https://www.musik-sammler.de/media/396208/

Not sure that all the numbers match up but you have a German version. This picture has the same logo. It's possible the exact press you own hasn't been categorized by anyone online yet?

I don't know what you mean by shoddy photos - the quality or what?



Thanks for the info, just never seen this TIS logo on any NB stuff. By shoddy I mean the overall quality, inside photo is poor but it may simply be what the band submitted to the label to use.


It's hard to tell from your photo because photos of cd artwork always seem to come out grainy like your picture looks. I have the US version with the same pictures and it looks fine to me quality-wise but it's hard to compare the actual insert to a pixelated picture. Maybe someone else can compare and tell you for sure.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:50 pm 
 

Stop the motherfucking presses!!! Is this shit official or not???

https://www.discogs.com/Miasma-Changes- ... se/8292844
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:25 am 
 

Hey all.

I'm not exactly sure if this is the correct place to post this but I just bought Atheist's Piece of Time LP from Season of Mist (2013 reissue, black vinyl). I noticed that the last song 'No Truth' on Side B was incomplete, and that only the first minute seemed to play. Has anyone had a similar issue or is it just maybe my copy?

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androdion wrote:
Stop the motherfucking presses!!! Is this shit official or not???

https://www.discogs.com/Miasma-Changes- ... se/8292844


Marquee Records is a well known label specializing in reissues of old metal albums, so the odds are this is legit.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:43 am 
 

pan_Heathen wrote:
androdion wrote:
Stop the motherfucking presses!!! Is this shit official or not???

https://www.discogs.com/Miasma-Changes- ... se/8292844


Marquee Records is a well known label specializing in reissues of old metal albums, so the odds are this is legit.

Yeah, but still... There's no word on it anywhere, and that album should be a high profile reissue so you can see where I'm coming from with my doubts.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:13 pm 
 

Marquee Records facebook page has pictures of it advertising it:
https://facebook.com/pages/Marquee-Reco ... 6115158939

I see where you are coming from. If you check Vic Records homepage you'll notice the recent reissue of The Experience of Horror isn't announced. Only on the Facebook page. But if you search on the label site you can buy it.

Hope this helps.

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Oh fuck it then, I'm buying it! :D
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:11 pm 
 

Does lack of IFPI code of any sort mean that it's a fake CD? I've been Googling that question for about 2 hours and I can't seem to find a straight answer to that.

The reason I ask is that I have Garden of Shadows - Heart of the Corona and the only info it has is the matrix and catalogue number (POLIMEX DISC L091 XRR-002). You can see it on the inner ring of it and you can see it on the front of the CD and you can also see it on the back of the CD Also, it has the "compact digital audio disc" just awkwardly stamped on the ring.

I just want to know if it's a fake or if it's just endearingly crappy-looking.

I took some pics: http://imgur.com/a/2jFTb

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:31 am 
 

Not necessarily. Ideally all presses should have both mould and master SID codes (the one in the plastic ring and the one in the matrix ring of the disc) but not all of them do for some unknown reason. Though I don't have a copy of that disc it does look fine to me, but anyone who has it can better confirm it. Since it's a semi-expensive disc I'm not going to tell you with 100% certainty that it is without knowing for sure. ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:21 am 
 

androdion wrote:
Not necessarily. Ideally all presses should have both mould and master SID codes (the one in the plastic ring and the one in the matrix ring of the disc) but not all of them do for some unknown reason. Though I don't have a copy of that disc it does look fine to me, but anyone who has it can better confirm it. Since it's a semi-expensive disc I'm not going to tell you with 100% certainty that it is without knowing for sure. ;)


It's just not something that's an industry-wide standard, a lot of plants in Europe still don't use mould codes. I got a copy of the latest Sammath CD not long ago and it has no mould IPFI codes to be seen, and that's definitely not a bootleg because I got it directly from a band member :lol: Plus they didn't even get introduced until the early/mid 90s so it's a crapshoot with anything from before then.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:59 pm 
 

Alright, thanks for the replies! I'll continue to accept it as genuine. I was just really unsure about the IFPI thing.

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Question: How you see the differences of the Sultan ‎– Check And Mate bootleg cd and the original one?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:31 pm 
 

Got two Raven CDs recently, from different sellers. They may be bootlegs but I'm not sure. Any help is greatly appreciated!

One is The Pack is Back. According to the Archives, the only CD version was issued on Mayhem in 1998, which has two bonus tracks from the Mad EP. The CD I got has no Mayhem logo, just Atlantic Records. The tray card doesn't have the bonus tracks listed on it, just the original track listing. However, the disc itself lists the two bonus tracks. The disc itself also has a "bleed" spot on the red ring around it; it literally looks like the paint either melted and dripped a little leaving a space between the black and red rings, or was attempted to be re-painted on.

Also of note is the tiny and grainy lettering on the back of the tray card (can't read most of it), and the catalogue number, which matches the original vinyl release except for the final number being 2 instead of 1. However, the matrix catalogue number on the disc adds a numeral to the catalogue number (816929-2 instead of the 81629-2 everywhere else).

The other is Wiped Out, the 1999 Neat Metal CD reissue. This one has three bonus tracks, which are listed on the tray card but not on the disc itself, where only the original album tracks are listed. There is no catalogue number on the disc itself, just the barcode number. The back of the booklet is grainy and all letters are tiny and unreadable (the track list cannot be read). Additionally, the back of the booklet has both the Neat Records logo and the R/C Revisited logo, but R/C is not seen anywhere else on the disc or booklet/tray card). There are some R/C CD reissues from an unknown date listed on the archives.

Both discs have a small triangular "lump" or etch protruding from the plastic inner ring and onto the disc proper. Neither disc has any etched numbers/letter on the inner plastic ring. Please advise if any photos would help. Thanks all!

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^Those both sound incredibly dodgy, especially if there's no text in the matrix area and weird print oddities and lumps on the disc, actually you should upload pics of those because I want to see what exactly they look like.
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Does anyone know if this is an official version or not of Atrophy's Socialized Hate?

https://www.discogs.com/Atrophy-Sociali ... se/4542676

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uglijimus wrote:
Does anyone know if this is an official version or not of Atrophy's Socialized Hate?

https://www.discogs.com/Atrophy-Sociali ... se/4542676



Looks very sketchy, not only the disc but the fact that they got the year it was released wrong (1998) when it was correct on legit versions (1988).

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:48 am 
 

ugghh..not what I wanted to hear. I was hoping if it was a boot that discogs would have listed it as such.

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