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Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:26 am ]
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80's band Siren, "Financial Suicide" on Aaarrg Records, bootleg left and original right.

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Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:47 am ]
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First two releases from Pariah. Bootlegs left, original right. No idea what they were thinking when making the CD artwork, inlays may have been done with hi-resolution scans and no original discs at all as the "Blaze Of Obscurity" bootleg doesn't even have the same sound as the original.

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Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:58 am ]
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Pyracanda's only album worth talking about, "Two Sides Of A Coin". Bootleg left, original right.

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Author:  spectre07 [ Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:06 pm ]
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I buy this The Gathering/Mandylion CD, but I can't find this version, looks like US version, but below in the corner there is no "RED" white letters on the black square.

Also, matrix is 12405 6
IFPI 9F09

And there is a additional text say: crest natlca

I Google it and appears some other releases in discogs site like Duran Duran.

So, is a re-release, bootleg or is legit?

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:39 pm ]
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Just a re-issue. The RED is likely blacked out because at the time of re-issue they probably weren't the distribution company anymore. I have multiple CM US releases with the RED blacked.

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:45 am ]
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A lot of the Mausoleum Classix series were bootlegged a few years ago. There's information on Discogs about the differences between original and bootleg but it does little to help and simply causes confusion.

"When you hold up cd to the light and look at silver side you can see the band name through the disc, you can't on originals."

Not 100% accurate. You may be able to hold them up to daylight or a soft light and notice a difference, however, if you hold the bootleg or original up to a 60 watt light bulb or stronger you'll be able to see through both versions.

"Back of inlay card lists all of the titles in the series on most of these (not all) , This is not found on originals."

This doesn't really do anyone any favors as there are multiple original releases that list the other titles on the back of the card. There's also bootleg versions that don't list the other titles in the series. So this does nothing to clear anything up.


If you want to know which ones are originals and what indicates bootleg it can be found in the stacking ring. The originals have a wider and deeper stacking ring which was very common for discs pressed in the 80's and 90's. The photo below has 6 Mausoleum Classix discs, the top row are bootlegs and the bottom originals. Identifying these by the stacking ring is your best bet for understanding what version you have.

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Author:  spectre07 [ Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:53 pm ]
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thesilentenigma wrote:
Just a re-issue. The RED is likely blacked out because at the time of re-issue they probably weren't the distribution company anymore. I have multiple CM US releases with the RED blacked.


To bad, I know that before I buy it, I wanna drop in the trash, I don't like reissues.

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:41 am ]
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Anacrusis "Suffering Hour"

Russian bootleg left, original right. Easy to tell them apart by the matrix, but there's other differences such as the original having glossy coated inlays and the bootleg not.

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Author:  Muhammadabbadabba [ Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:04 pm ]
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As it turns out, the RaHoWa "Ueberfolk" album is a bootleg released without George Burdi's permission. Although Rage Records releases authentic material, this album has been denounced by Burdi in an interview. I've submitted a report for its removal.

Source/Evidence:
http://veriyhteys.tumblr.com/post/16867 ... orge-burdi
George Burdi wrote:
The “RAHOWA” release of Überfolk material is a bootleg, released without my permission, using demo tracks that had been circulating the internet. I no longer release material under the RAHOWA name. The actual Überfolk debut album will be a double LP and will be released in early 2018.

Author:  Silenius1979 [ Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:00 pm ]
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Can someone describe me the differences of original/bootleg of Intruder - A Higher Form Of Killing ????

Author:  DoomMetalAlchemist [ Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:31 pm ]
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I just got a used copy of Exultet's I soldati della croce very cheap on ebay.

To my surprise, the CD has a greenish underside, just as with old school CD-Rs. Neither MA nor discogs make a mention of the original release being a CD-R, but Exultet's second album from 2015 is a CD-R.

The matrx number on my copy of I soldati della croce is 2K063D0883680.

According to MA, the album was released in November 2010, but according to my tray card, and according to discogs, the album was released in 2011.

Bootleg or no? I'm inclined to believe its a bootleg just for the green underside alone, but since their other album is a CD-R, who knows.

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:13 am ]
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Silenius1979 wrote:
Can someone describe me the differences of original/bootleg of Intruder - A Higher Form Of Killing ????


If you're referring to the Metal Blade Russian bootleg the matrix wont match this:

https://www.discogs.com/Intruder-A-High ... se/3460509

Author:  Silenius1979 [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:40 am ]
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according to discogs, russian boot has the same matrix
https://www.discogs.com/Intruder-A-High ... se/6308963

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:16 pm ]
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Silenius1979 wrote:
according to discogs, russian boot has the same matrix
https://www.discogs.com/Intruder-A-High ... se/6308963


But it will look different. If it doesn't match the physical traits of the one in the photo I linked, bootleg. The stacking ring will also be different on the Russian version.

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:51 pm ]
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Here's what your bootleg matrix will look like:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intruder-A-Hig ... SwZW5aIZLW

Author:  metalmaster32 [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:34 am ]
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Hi,

what is the difference between the 2 Mercilless Unbound Versions from No fashion Records NFR 007

one is the original and one the bootleg but both look exactly the same with same Matrix Number....

How much pages has the original booklet??

THX

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:44 pm ]
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metalmaster32 wrote:
Hi,

what is the difference between the 2 Mercilless Unbound Versions from No fashion Records NFR 007

one is the original and one the bootleg but both look exactly the same with same Matrix Number....

How much pages has the original booklet??

THX


Your matrix will look different, as well as the top of the disc. Discogs has photos of both versions, very easy to tell by the top of the disc if you're not familiar with matrix's.

Author:  Required Fields [ Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:56 pm ]
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I don't know if this is a legit copy or a bootleg, but this is Hexenhaus - The Edge of Eternity. I would like confirmation if my copy is a legit copy or a bootleg.

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It looks legit, but it's a pretty rare album.

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:37 pm ]
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It's a bootleg. Give me a second and I'll upload what the real one looks like.

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:41 pm ]
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Author:  Required Fields [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:41 am ]
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They look extremely close. But man, is it ever depressing to see the pressing I got was a bootleg. :(

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:48 am ]
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Yeah, by Russian standards they did do a pretty good job.

Author:  TheHunted [ Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:01 am ]
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Alright guys, here is an interested one.

Godkiller "The Rebirth Of The Middle Ages" CD Red/White disc.

The discogs posting states that the matrix is ['DADC AUSTRIA' Logo] A0100199573-0101 21 A0
But the matrix on this copy is ['DADC AUSTRIA' Logo] A0100199573-0101 21 A1

Yet I can not find a single entry that links any matrix ending in A1. It says they all end in A0. Other than that, everything is exactly the same, even the typset on the matrix. Any help?

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:00 am ]
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TheHunted wrote:
Alright guys, here is an interested one.

Godkiller "The Rebirth Of The Middle Ages" CD Red/White disc.

The discogs posting states that the matrix is ['DADC AUSTRIA' Logo] A0100199573-0101 21 A0
But the matrix on this copy is ['DADC AUSTRIA' Logo] A0100199573-0101 21 A1

Yet I can not find a single entry that links any matrix ending in A1. It says they all end in A0. Other than that, everything is exactly the same, even the typset on the matrix. Any help?


Can you post a matrix photo of the A1 version?

Author:  androdion [ Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:06 am ]
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TheHunted wrote:
Alright guys, here is an interested one.

Godkiller "The Rebirth Of The Middle Ages" CD Red/White disc.

The discogs posting states that the matrix is ['DADC AUSTRIA' Logo] A0100199573-0101 21 A0
But the matrix on this copy is ['DADC AUSTRIA' Logo] A0100199573-0101 21 A1

Yet I can not find a single entry that links any matrix ending in A1. It says they all end in A0. Other than that, everything is exactly the same, even the typset on the matrix. Any help?

If the font is the same and everything is the same but a sequential number at the end it's supposedly legit. Matrix variations are abundant, don't expect every last one of them to be online. ;)

Author:  Shizoism [ Fri May 11, 2018 3:32 pm ]
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Hails,

I'm looking for information about this release from Vulcano (Brasil).

It's a CD named "We are The True !"

It looks a japanese CD with 1998 "Who are the True?" album + extra material as bonus.

Someone know anything about it ?

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Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:02 am ]
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Hey,

I am worried that my copy of "The Black Halo" by Kamelot is not authentic. 2 reasons:

1. The artwork on the disc is in black and white

2. The Mould SID code on my disc is different from the ones listed on here.

Here are some pics:

https://imageshack.com/a/N7ko/1

Here are the identifiers for my disc:

Barcode: 693723695723
Mould SID Code: IFPI 0764
Matrix / Runout: 51357777/80000802 21
Rights Society: GEMA
Label Code: LC 09002

Thanks!

Author:  drobowik [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:15 am ]
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Shadow_of_a_Storm wrote:
Hey,
I am worried that my copy of "The Black Halo" by Kamelot is not authentic. 2 reasons:
Thanks!


Hard to say according that info, pics would say it all, especially matrix code pic.

Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:36 am ]
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I added some pics to my original post.

Author:  drobowik [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:06 pm ]
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Matrix looks totally legit. I don't see clearly catalogue number, SPV 89572 CD ?

Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:21 pm ]
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Nope it's SPV 69572 CD.

Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:35 pm ]
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Here is another CD I'm worried might be a bootleg. "Sagas" by Equilibrium.

Some pics:

https://imageshack.com/a/K3Uo/1

Reasons why I believe it's a bootleg:

1. The artwork on the disc looks somewhat faded
2. The Matrix/Runout code on my disc is different from both the one listed on here as well as the one on Discogs.

Here are the identifiers for my disc:

Barcode: 7 27361 18212 0
Labelcode: LC07027
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR76
Mould SID Code: IFPI UGAA
Matrix Code: CAP00207 NB1821-2DLT 04 Technicolor
Catalogue number: NB 1821-2
Rights Society: GEMA

Thanks!

Author:  thesilentenigma [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:20 am ]
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What hosting are you using for your photos? None show up for me for whatever reason.

Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:00 am ]
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thesilentenigma wrote:
What hosting are you using for your photos? None show up for me for whatever reason.


Can you see them now?

Author:  drobowik [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:16 pm ]
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Still no images, only "no entry" sign.

Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:57 pm ]
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Are the pics in my earlier post visible?

Author:  drobowik [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:07 pm ]
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nope, even Kamelot ones

Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:11 pm ]
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Well fuck, I don't know what else to do, and it's killing me not knowing whether that album is authentic or not as it's one of my favorites and was difficult to find. :grr:

Author:  drobowik [ Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:07 pm ]
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Equilibrium Sagas jewel case difficult to find? Prices on Discogs start from 2.59eur

Ha, by the way I see the first Equilibrium pic, but not others.

Author:  Shadow_of_a_Storm [ Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:28 pm ]
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Ok I uploaded them to Imageshack and added a link.

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