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Author:  emperor_zola [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!

uuubjuuu wrote:
actually Baltic states have nothing common with this at all. Being shithead and accusing everyone without reason ins't the best

You're wrong. It's not prejudice, it's a conclusion of the experience we had. The source of the bootlegs that flooding the market are located in Russia/Ukraine somewhere. But the known sellers whom helping to spread this shit are all came from that area of the world: Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, Lithuania, and so on.

Author:  uuubjuuu [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!

emperor_zola wrote:
uuubjuuu wrote:
actually Baltic states have nothing common with this at all. Being shithead and accusing everyone without reason ins't the best

You're wrong. It's not prejudice, it's a conclusion of the experience we had. The source of the bootlegs that flooding the market are located in Russia/Ukraine somewhere. But the known sellers whom helping to spread this shit are all came from that area of the world: Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, Lithuania, and so on.

Deeeeng, you're wrong. The licenced Cds we discuss about are made in Russia exceptionally by permission of record companies to lower the piracy. And it's a good move knowing the situation with the living wage (standards) in 3rd class countries. Don't hang noodles, kid, I know what I'm talking about. I'm pretty much a metal Cds collector myself for years overpaying for every rarity or single CD 3-4 times more than you. And earn 3-4 less than normal person in Western Europe or West America within a month. CDs from Azintex - is a common problem we've faced this year, and saying that other countries are spreading this shit is a real nasty thing. I can give you a link to the only store in Lithuania who sells licenced CDs here:
http://www.ledotakas.net/webshop/
please take your time and find me any crap from Azintex in this store, and I will give you noodle medal as a price for watchfulness. Otherwise fuck off prick for any accusation to my side
Now, as the state with the licenced Cds are clear, let's talk about Azintex once more. I've been fooled up 3 times during the summer buying some stuff. I can name few sellers in ebay who sell such stuff - a_thrashman_a, geleney. There was another guy selling his 'private collection' of fine 1st presses, later after few weeks he cancelled his membership in ebay. Yeah, I took his bait and ended up with 2 Agressor and 2 Accuser albums in my hands. The biggest surprise was the tray inlay of every Cd that didn't have any mark of being placed in regular CD case. After 30 years? It became suspicious. With a_thrashman_a - same story. I think Airdash 3rd album for 6$ was a normal bidding price knowing that it was the worst LP they made. Few weeks later I was holding this album and what did I see? The booklet was of 2 pages only with lyrics though the original should be the fold-out booklet with 6 pages. And I'm aware of piracy in Greece too. Had an insult after knowing that three swedish Hexenhaus albums I bought from Greeke guy through ebay 4 years ago are fake that costed me a fortune.

In this topic we discuss about rare albums of 80s, but please check the e-store they have. All decent albums are spread through internet with success, why they should worry themselves with subdivisions in other countries?
I'm not happy about too, so please, don't type nonsense

Author:  uuubjuuu [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!

BTW I don't know why the Baltic States are still listed on licenced Cds though we're independent from former USSR more than 20 years.

Author:  emperor_zola [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!

Cool down before you got banned, >dude<, m'kay?
So you are saying because there is a shop over there and they don't sell bootlegs, therefor there are no bootlegs flooding the market from that country at all? (I used to buy from that shop myself just to let you know).
You said what you wanted.
The majority of us still refuse to buy out of print CDs from there. I hope you understand. And please don't whine about differences of income, wages, and whatnot. Wrong place.

Author:  androdion [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!

If I might budge in for a second and answer uuubjuuu then I'll give my two cents.

There's a difference between saying "every Eastern European is a bootlegger" and "many bootlegs come from Eastern Europe", and what we've been saying over here is actually the second one so there's no need to feel attacked. We also dispelled some doubts about Eastern European and South American licensed editions, the ones you mention and are indeed real. We have constantly told inquiring members that some stuff is just licensed for those countries while others are plain boot, and to be weary of the differences between them.

With that being said there's no way on hell that you'll find me buying any thrash album from a Greek, Russian or whatever seller. Reason being that those are the main sources of thrash album's boots. Simple as that! If there are many boots coming from there the percentage of actually getting one is much higher wouldn't you agree? It's just that.

Author:  dreadmeat [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!

my bestial warlust - vengeance war till death cd came from ledotakas by way of discogs
he's been mentioned around here before a couple of times from memory
if he was selling bootlegs on disogs he'd have been sprung ages ago, he has virtually 100% + feedback
http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/ledotakas :thumbsup:

uuubjuuu wrote:
Don't hang noodles, kid, I know what I'm talking about.
uuubjuuu wrote:
I will give you noodle medal as a price for watchfulness
:grin:

Author:  metaldiscussor666 [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

So, I found what appears to be a first press mayhem deathcrush on viny. It looks like it's in perfect condition, on gold vinyl. Posercorpse music. The only dilemma I see, is that the album appears to be limited to 666 and not 1000. I assume that means that it's for sure a bootleg?

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

chuck up some photos, not shit ones like in the recent purchase thread, can you read/reproduce the runout info?

androdion ha ha yeah classic :lol:

Author:  metaldiscussor666 [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

dreadmeat wrote:
chuck up some photos, not shit ones like in the recent purchase thread, can you read/reproduce the runout info?

Since I left it out at the store, to be shipped to my local store (I had to drive 30 minutes away for those purchases) it will have to wait. I don't know what runout info is. I can however take a picture of whatever part of the album is necessary.

...Sorry about the quality of that recent purchases thread picture.

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

stamps and etchings in the non-music containing parts of the record, can be really hard to see, daylight and some goofy lighting or weird glasses can help.

Image

Author:  androdion [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

dreadmeat wrote:
androdion ha ha yeah classic :lol:

Still with the lettering jokes are we? :D

@ metaldiscussor666 - take a look at this article, you'll get some good teachings out of it. ;)

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

whenever i see "enter the matrix" it makes me laugh

Author:  androdion [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

This will be our private joke from now on. :D

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

re Deathcrush i just had a quick look on discogs, why would anyone pay close to 300 euros for an unofficial bootleg?! some people are mental :nono:
metaldiscussor666 - how much was it going for? i'm no mayhem expert but i wouldn't go paying too much for it...

androdion wrote:
This will be our private joke from now on. :D

i think it's going in my discogs profile :nods:

Author:  metaldiscussor666 [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

dreadmeat wrote:
re Deathcrush i just had a quick look on discogs, why would anyone pay close to 300 euros for an unofficial bootleg?! some people are mental :nono:
metaldiscussor666 - how much was it going for? i'm no mayhem expert but i wouldn't go paying too much for it...

androdion wrote:
This will be our private joke from now on. :D

i think it's going in my discogs profile :nods:

It's 80 dollars. I'm seriously apprehensive about it. I want to know exactly what I would be getting myself into. Especially when i'm already sure it's not a first press. I want to do some more investigating though.

Author:  androdion [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

Remember the golden rule:

"If it looks too good to be true then it probably is!"

Author:  MariusBR [ Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

Is there any way to get help in here regarding my Odium vinyl? It`s "Under the realm of the stars"

I have no idea how to make sure this is okay to sell to anyone under the impression that they are getting the right press - if there exist more than one press of it..

It says "under the license from Nocturnal Art Productions" - I guess there was only a CD-version at first.
furthermore; "In Vision Musik!" has the worldwide distribution.

INV001/ECLIPSE 010 - is giving me chills when I my mind wanders to thinking this is the first one pressed, out of 200.

Is there any more relevant info I can give you to help me out here?

Author:  carnival_corpse [ Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Paramaecium - Exhumed of the Earth

I have a copy of Paramaecium's Exhumed of the Earth on R.E.X. Records. Discogs shows there 2 pressings on R.E.X Records. Mine is catalog 41005-2. Does anyone know if there is a bootleg version of this CD? The matrix number on my disc is DISC MFG, INC. (H) W.O. 101493-1P REX410052. Everythin matches the version shown in Discogs, even the font type of the matrix as seen in the pictures in Discogs, however the type of font used in this CD is very different from other CD's I have manufactured by DISC MFG, Inc. In all my other CD's the font is smaller and thinner. In this one the font is larger and bold, clearly seen in the pictures in Discogs. So, could this be a bootleg that made it into Discogs? Will appreciate any comments.

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Paramaecium - Exhumed of the Earth

carnival_corpse wrote:
So, could this be a bootleg that made it into Discogs?
firstly mate, discogs is the perfect place to list bootlegs, look under the "unofficial" heading on the left hand side of the page.
i have five releases pressed by Disc Manufacturing, Inc. if you put up a photo of the matrix etc i'd be happy to compare them

when you guys ask for help in here post photos or scans, a picture paints a thousand words :nods:

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

MariusBR wrote:
Is there any way to get help in here regarding my Odium vinyl? It`s "Under the realm of the stars"

I have no idea how to make sure this is okay to sell to anyone under the impression that they are getting the right press - if there exist more than one press of it..

It says "under the license from Nocturnal Art Productions" - I guess there was only a CD-version at first.
furthermore; "In Vision Musik!" has the worldwide distribution.

INV001/ECLIPSE 010 - is giving me chills when I my mind wanders to thinking this is the first one pressed, out of 200.

Is there any more relevant info I can give you to help me out here?

to have a clear conscience just provide them with all the info on the release so they can look it up, give them some really good clear photos or scans too, and don't label it "first press" or "original" if you aren't 100% sure.
can you put the runout info here? it's the text inscribed/pressed into the runout area of the record
have you looked on discogs, musik sammler, gemm, popsike etc?

also try to spell the title correctly :p
The Sad Realm Of The Stars / Under the realm of the stars
http://www.discogs.com/Odium-The-Sad-Realm-Of-The-Stars/release/2183500
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Odium/The_Sad_Realm_of_the_Stars/15927

Author:  carnival_corpse [ Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Paramaecium - Exhumed of the Earth

This the link from Discogs with a picture of the disk where you can see the matrix number. This is the exact one I have.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3615416

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

awesome, so it's not a bootleg then?
if you use the edit/discuss link you can comment and people who have it can get notified of your comment [if they have notifications enabled] you'll have to add it to your collection to get notified of their reply though.
also it was only added 5 months ago...
check out all the members who have it in their collections and look to see if they have many bootlegs in their collections or if they have submitted many/any bootlegs.
also check out the other releases of the same album under the history to read any discussions in there

Author:  korgull [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Paramaecium - Exhumed of the Earth

carnival_corpse wrote:
I have a copy of Paramaecium's Exhumed of the Earth on R.E.X. Records. Discogs shows there 2 pressings on R.E.X Records. Mine is catalog 41005-2. Does anyone know if there is a bootleg version of this CD? ...

carnival_corpse wrote:
This the link from Discogs with a picture of the disk where you can see the matrix number. This is the exact one I have.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3615416


... Will appreciate any comments.


I don't know if a bootleg version exists or what the two different pressings are all about, but I can tell you that I have a copy of this CD that was purchased back when it was first released (from a shop that never sold bootlegs, as far as I'm aware), and it matches the other version listed at Discogs...

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2578677

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

interesting, same manufacturer: Disc Manufacturing, Inc.
that text does look 'thinner' when you compare the two.

Author:  carnival_corpse [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

dreadmeat wrote:
interesting, same manufacturer: Disc Manufacturing, Inc.
that text does look 'thinner' when you compare the two.



Did some more reasearch and it seems its the real deal. Look at this other CD from DISC MFG, with almost the same type of font as the Paramaecium CD. Seems that they started using this other type of font in 1994, probably a different mfg plant?

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3416666

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

who knows, quite possibly a gear upgrade, that's about the time IFPI SID codes were introduced.
it really pisses me off that represses don't have a date they were pressed on them

i'll 100% have a look at mine here and compare them and post my results

Author:  dreadmeat [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

i just tripped over this on amazon while looking at this The Pungent Stench Sessions - Dr. Heathen Scum of The Mentors With Pungent Stench album [that i've never heard of]

This product is manufactured on demand using CD-R recordable media.

Author:  androdion [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:43 pm ]
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dreadmeat wrote:

What the...?!

Author:  dreadmeat [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

you can buy the album as mp3s too, i dread to think that they'd be using the mp3 files to burn the cd :scratch: :crash:
i almost want to buy one just to see what i'll get!

Author:  TadakatsuH0nda [ Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:46 am ]
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dreadmeat wrote:


Whoa. That is unique...

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

i wasn't quite sure what to make of that when i read it, this from amazon too, not some shonky distro in mexico or something.

Author:  CHONGeYeD [ Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

Ouch more of this CD-R on demand from Amazon. Seems Amazon is offering quite a bit of CD-R on demand.

Link

http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Universe-Skullview/dp/B00003XB6Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1353209294&sr=1-2&keywords=Skullview

and goes on to explain about the process, what you get, and why it is beneficial to getting the music you want on CD-Rs.

"What are CD-R and DVD-R media?"
"CD-Rs and DVD-Rs (the "R" stands for "recordable") look like the discs you're used to and offer the same audio and image quality. This recordable media is used to manufacture titles on demand, as fully authorized by the content provider.
Through manufacturing on demand, CreateSpace, part of the Amazon.com group of companies, enables Amazon.com to offer music and video content that might not otherwise be available. Each disc comes fully packaged, with artwork, in a standard jewel case for audio and an Amaray case for video, although for reissued products the artwork may differ from the original.
CreateSpace works with many of the leading music labels, television networks, film studios, and other distributors to make these titles available to Amazon.com customers. All products are manufactured from original source materials (e.g., for audio products, uncompressed CD-quality audio).
By eliminating inventory, waste, and inefficiencies in the distribution system, on-demand manufacturing provides the added benefit of helping preserve the environment.
When shopping, you'll see CD-R or DVD-R on the product detail page for such products. Amazon.com's standard return policy applies to these purchases."

But you minus well just buy the MP3s and Burn Them.

Maybe i am just too damn old school, but i like the "real CD"

Author:  carnival_corpse [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Rare Napalm Death Peel Sesions

I recently bought a collection of CD's and when looking through it I found a copy of Napalm Death's Peel Sessions on Dutch East Trading. Since I already have it, I started creating a listing on Ebay to sell it, but when I opened the case to check the disc condition I immediately noticed something strange. The material of the disc was not clear polycarbonate, but light green, similar to that color used in some CD cases. The matrix number matches exactly the one in my collection: "MANUFACTURED BY AMERICAN HELIX" *CD01301* W.O. # E30274-2 SFPDCD049

Does anyone have seen this before? It is the first time I see a colored disc, aside from by black polycarbonate Obituary Xecutioners Return. There is no information on Discogs nor The Metal Archives about this version.

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

a green hue is what burned discs look like, mastered ones are silver.
can you put up a scan or photos etc?

forget this cdr rubbish, i bet they're burned from mp3s too 8X

Author:  androdion [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

CHONGeYeD wrote:
Amazon selling CD-Rs yada yada

Now this is some serious bullshit talk! It's interesting that this week I was reading that Amazon is part of a group of companies that have been charged with not paying their taxes, maybe they just want a new golden goose to milk for a while.

Fuck this shit!

carnival_corpse wrote:
I recently bought a collection of CD's and when looking through it I found a copy of Napalm Death's Peel Sessions on Dutch East Trading. Since I already have it, I started creating a listing on Ebay to sell it, but when I opened the case to check the disc condition I immediately noticed something strange. The material of the disc was not clear polycarbonate, but light green, similar to that color used in some CD cases. The matrix number matches exactly the one in my collection: "MANUFACTURED BY AMERICAN HELIX" *CD01301* W.O. # E30274-2 SFPDCD049

Does anyone have seen this before? It is the first time I see a colored disc, aside from by black polycarbonate Obituary Xecutioners Return. There is no information on Discogs nor The Metal Archives about this version.

A CD-R with the same matrix as the original?! Now that I'd like to see! Please post some pictures if you can.

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

This product is manufactured on demand using CD-R recordable media.
did you guys not see this link? :roll:

can you guys check your Intronaut - Void cds GFR042
mine looks like a bootleg budget cdr but the printed side looks pro printed?!

Author:  androdion [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

dreadmeat wrote:

Isn't that what we're commenting?! :scratch:

Author:  carnival_corpse [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

Dont know how to post pictures here. Can someone please explain?

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

androdion ok cool :grin:

scans of my intronaut void disc, if anyone could compare theirs would be helpful
catalogue number - GFR042
barcode - 621617104228
matrix - KJRY [logo] CDR UG 80E I441603
printed - 5P80 1-2-1 0811010635-54

Image Image

Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread

carnival_corpse wrote:
Dont know how to post pictures here. Can someone please explain?

just host them somewhere like http://tinypic.com/ then put up links to the files
uploading images directly to the site was disabled recently

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