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seance - fornever laid to rest 1992 cd
anyone know of any other black mark presses beside the 2 on discogs?
My matrix is A0100682981-0101 11 Sony DADC IFPI L551

thx....

androdion, you mean identical copy with same matrix code? I have never seen bootleggers from Japan. Much of them from China and some of them from Korea.
2 Combat releases submitted on discogs have different matrix.
Person who sold me that CD told me, that he got in 90s, when worked on some label. Maybe lied, maybe not..
Price wasn't very high, so I'm also confused.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1042281993
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nuclear-Assault ... 0655902531
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1219115467
I can't make out all the matrices on the provided pictures, but as I was saying those are three identical copies which just happen to be for sale right now. But if you got it from a trusted seller then you should be alright.

Nuclear Assault looks totally different to mine
http://www.discogs.com/Nuclear-Assault-Game-Over-The-Plague/release/1841886
The font to me looks a bit odd on both of those CDs, usually it's not lots of little dots with spaces :scratch:

Your Nuclear Assault has a 1 stamped in the centre, correct?

Also just because something doesn't have ifpi codes doesn't make it a bootleg, they weren't introduced until about 1994 so anything older than that just won't have them.
Represses and reissues likely will though.

All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too.
Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already :nods:

drobowik re ifpi ok cool

All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too.
Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already :nods:

drobowik re ifpi ok cool

Thanks for the answer. I'll trust you, the cd doesn't look suspicious at all, I was just worried with the IFPI codes...

Hello guys!
Just help me to know if the new remastered of "Engineering the dead" from Aborted on Listenable records, contains the original cover inside. I'll do a search on the net and discogs but doesn't help me.

This is the release:

http://shop.listenable.net/product.php?id_product=89

Thanks for the help!

Hi guys,

I just bought a copy of Cryptopsy's None So Vile. The information matches all the Discogs information for the Displeased Records pressing, and it's a CD rather than a CD-r, but the quality of the press seems really poor (i.e. track titles written as 'Crown of horns', 'Graves of the fathers' on the rear and back of the booklet rather than 'Crown of Horns', 'Graves of the Fathers', and the artwork on the CD and rear is really grainy), so naturally I'm a little worried about it being a bootleg.

Author:	LuciferianImperium [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:40 am ]
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Thanks for all the information. It's appears to be a rarity as it is, the colors, typos, matrix, too many inconsistancies for it to be legit. Now to get my refund, hopefully I can get the refund with out giving the CD back that would be ideal. When I first bought it I was a tad cynical but I thought who the fuck would press up Gorgut's Obscura bootlegs, I just didn't think there was a big enough audience for that. Guess I was dead wrong. Still surprises me though I thought bootlegging was a thing of the past, at least for CDs. Guess I don't listen to enough kvlt music.

Author:	dreadmeat [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:42 am ]
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Bootlegging scumbags rip off less sought after albums than that too for some odd reason...

Author:	LuciferianImperium [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:56 am ]
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Don't worry i'm going to find whoever did this, kidnap them and play Obscura full blast over and over until they absolutely regret ever having a hand in pressing up more copies of it.

Author:	dreadmeat [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:03 am ]
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They are a waste of mortality for sure Check these out for some more info http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/sid-code-implementation-guide.pdf pdf file You're sure it has no mould sid code?

Author:	dreadmeat [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:06 am ]
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Author:	Marmer [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:28 am ]
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hello all, i just got this cd from someone i traded a first press pungent stench cd with.. Im almost sure ive been punked by this ass. But please anyone? Who has the origina Running Wild - Under Jolly Roger cd. c an send me the proof for being buttfucked while i was laughing...?? this is the thing i got in.

Author:	japc [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:31 am ]
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That can't possibly be the original Under Jolly Roger release, it has a SID code (IFPI L032 seen there) and those only started being used in 1994. It can be a reissue or, more likely (mainly because of that weird font), a bootleg.

Author:	Marmer [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:08 am ]
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I have the same idea. so im screwed.. thnx for the info.

Author:	dreadmeat [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:29 pm ]
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That is a weird looking font, there are quite a few RW bootlegs around aren't there? I'm not at all familiar with this band.

Author:	~Guest 82538 [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:35 pm ]
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That font is definitely wrong Marmer, it's too straight and clean. Plus the SID code's there.

Author:	dreadmeat [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:22 pm ]
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japc, androdion and dreadmeat have looked at a lot of CD matrices

Author:	Marmer [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:38 am ]
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Thnx all for the dissapointing info i will mail the jerk. That he ripped me..

Author:	drobowik [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:53 am ]
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I also have 2 CDs with quite strange matrix codes, so what do you think, boots or not? Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part I, no IFPI Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Nuclear Assault - Gane Over / The Plague, no IFPI Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Spoiler: show

Author:	Marmer [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:56 am ]
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Nuclear Assault's looking strange to me as well. Helloween i dont know.

Author:	~Guest 82538 [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:03 am ]
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I've never seen the actual Combat press of that NA edition, though I have to say it's amusing to find three identical copies for sale on Ebay. From China, Japan and Korea! I don't know, I don't know... The Helloween CD seems legit, but I've never seen those old matrices in such detail (as to count how many dots on the dashes and whatnot). Someone else might confirm this.

Author:	Tormented666 [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:26 am ]
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Tormented666 wrote: seance - fornever laid to rest 1992 cd anyone know of any other black mark presses beside the 2 on discogs? My matrix is A0100682981-0101 11 Sony DADC IFPI L551 thx.... noone seen this one? /magnus

Author:	drobowik [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:27 am ]
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androdion, you mean identical copy with same matrix code? I have never seen bootleggers from Japan. Much of them from China and some of them from Korea. 2 Combat releases submitted on discogs have different matrix. Person who sold me that CD told me, that he got in 90s, when worked on some label. Maybe lied, maybe not.. Price wasn't very high, so I'm also confused.

Author:	~Guest 82538 [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:07 pm ]
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drobowik wrote: androdion, you mean identical copy with same matrix code? I have never seen bootleggers from Japan. Much of them from China and some of them from Korea. 2 Combat releases submitted on discogs have different matrix. Person who sold me that CD told me, that he got in 90s, when worked on some label. Maybe lied, maybe not.. Price wasn't very high, so I'm also confused. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1042281993 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nuclear-Assault ... 0655902531 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1219115467 I can't make out all the matrices on the provided pictures, but as I was saying those are three identical copies which just happen to be for sale right now. But if you got it from a trusted seller then you should be alright.

Author:	dreadmeat [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:37 pm ]
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Nuclear Assault looks totally different to mine http://www.discogs.com/Nuclear-Assault-Game-Over-The-Plague/release/1841886 The font to me looks a bit odd on both of those CDs, usually it's not lots of little dots with spaces Your Nuclear Assault has a 1 stamped in the centre, correct? Also just because something doesn't have ifpi codes doesn't make it a bootleg, they weren't introduced until about 1994 so anything older than that just won't have them. Represses and reissues likely will though.

Author:	drobowik [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:17 pm ]
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androdion wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1042281993 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nuclear-Assault ... 0655902531 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1219115467 I can't make out all the matrices on the provided pictures, but as I was saying those are three identical copies which just happen to be for sale right now. But if you got it from a trusted seller then you should be alright. "DIDX" or "Mastered by Nimbus" matrixes, both versions represented on discogs. Looks like I could have legit version, but where it was manufactured, this is mystery.

Author:	drobowik [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:26 pm ]
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dreadmeat wrote: Nuclear Assault looks totally different to mine http://www.discogs.com/Nuclear-Assault-Game-Over-The-Plague/release/1841886 The font to me looks a bit odd on both of those CDs, usually it's not lots of little dots with spaces Your Nuclear Assault has a 1 stamped in the centre, correct? Also just because something doesn't have ifpi codes doesn't make it a bootleg, they weren't introduced until about 1994 so anything older than that just won't have them. Represses and reissues likely will though. Yeah, correct, "1" stamped in the centre. I didn't mean, that absent of ifpi should qualify it as bootleg, it was just additional information.

Author:	~Guest 82538 [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:33 pm ]
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As an addendum, there are a lot of bootlegs going around that don't have SID codes impressed. So unless you go for the actual font/size of the matrix you won't get a definitive answer.

Author:	~Guest 154263 [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:06 pm ]
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I'm having a lot of work trying to identify some Death albums supposedly released by Combat Records/Relativity Records. Does anyone know this version of Death's "Leprosy"? Same barcode, "Mastered By Nimbus" on the Matrix, but there are those IFPI codes... This version is not listed at discogs. But I found a similiar description on a "Human" cd (http://www.discogs.com/Death-Human/release/4427951). Are they legit releases?

Author:	Marmer [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:13 am ]
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This Leprosy is a;so new for me. I have several CD releases of it. but none with these ifpi codes.

Author:	dreadmeat [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:26 am ]
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All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too. Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already drobowik re ifpi ok cool

Author:	BreedingtheSpawn [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:02 pm ]
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Wanting to know if anyone has the 2008 Krisiun CD reissues of the following albums and are all three of the CD's solid black on the playing side of the disc and have the albums been remastered? Conquerors of Armageddon Ageless Venomous Works of Carnage

Author:	dreadmeat [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:38 pm ]
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Should I take a guess they are on Century Media and if you look at them under a light they are red? It's pretty common and they seem to exist over at Discogs too, I have a few by different artists but not these.

Author:	~Guest 82538 [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:20 am ]
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They shouldn't be remastered given their release dates. CM reissued a lot of stuff in 2008 and then again in 2011, but it was mainly repressing mid to late 90s reissues under a different package. With that being said I know that the Moonspell albums got remastered so take that statement with a pinch of salt.

Author:	dreadmeat [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:28 pm ]
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I'm sure most of them are remastered, they have bonus songs and videos too, I got all the Asphyx ones for a mate a while ago. They came with 'death certificates'

Author:	~Guest 154263 [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:31 pm ]
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dreadmeat wrote: All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too. Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already drobowik re ifpi ok cool Thanks for the answer. I'll trust you, the cd doesn't look suspicious at all, I was just worried with the IFPI codes...

Author:	dreadmeat [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:17 pm ]
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dreadmeat wrote: All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too. Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already drobowik re ifpi ok cool dimforest wrote: Thanks for the answer. I'll trust you, the cd doesn't look suspicious at all, I was just worried with the IFPI codes... Ok mate no worries, my copy that I just played has a DIDX matrix by the way

Author:	The Lions Den [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:53 am ]
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Hello guys! Just help me to know if the new remastered of "Engineering the dead" from Aborted on Listenable records, contains the original cover inside. I'll do a search on the net and discogs but doesn't help me. This is the release: http://shop.listenable.net/product.php?id_product=89 Thanks for the help!

Author:	~Guest 82538 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:35 pm ]
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The Lions Den wrote: Hello guys! Just help me to know if the new remastered of "Engineering the dead" from Aborted on Listenable records, contains the original cover inside. I'll do a search on the net and discogs but doesn't help me. This is the release: http://shop.listenable.net/product.php?id_product=89 Thanks for the help! Compare the two: http://shop.listenable.net/img/p/89-121-thickbox.jpg http://www.metal-archives.com/images/8/7/2/872.jpg?5638

Author:	TheDefiniteArticle [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:42 pm ]
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Hi guys, I just bought a copy of Cryptopsy's None So Vile. The information matches all the Discogs information for the Displeased Records pressing, and it's a CD rather than a CD-r, but the quality of the press seems really poor (i.e. track titles written as 'Crown of horns', 'Graves of the fathers' on the rear and back of the booklet rather than 'Crown of Horns', 'Graves of the Fathers', and the artwork on the CD and rear is really grainy), so naturally I'm a little worried about it being a bootleg. Is this standard for Displeased pressings, or does anyone have the Displeased pressing and can confirm this is the same for them? I'd take pictures but I don't have a camera good enough to demonstrate the flaws better than text.