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colin040
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:10 am 
 

Thoughts on Mystic-Force? I've been spinning Man vs Machine lately and it's cool riff-y prog, but at the same time it's bloated as hell. I could have done with like twenty minutes less or so, especially considering some of the fillers that plague the record. Still, pretty decent stuff, not to mention it featured Oracle/Prodigy's William Wren on vocals. (who apparently died this year :( RIP!)




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Denpafighter978VGCP
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:18 pm 
 

Looking for bands that are really flowery, fast, and symphonic- Fairyland and Twilight Force, for example. With tons of keyboards. Basically stuff that sounds like Of wars and Heroes of mighty magic.
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Depersonalizationilosophy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:02 pm 
 

Hello there. I'm making a Top 50 list for 2020 and my list is lacking a power metal album. I generally don't like power metal so I was hoping someone could help me. Last year my "power" metal album was Vulture - Ghastly Waves & Battered Graves. The music was speed metal but the vocals were qualified enough to call power metal. So what I'm looking for is something infused because as a stand-only I do not like power metal. Stuff like Speed/Power, Heavy/Power, or Thrash/Power would be nice. I don't like "epic" stuff in my music either so if you can avoid that that be great. I'm also not a fan of the modernized progressive guitar sound.

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MetlaNZ
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:19 pm 
 

Depersonalizationilosophy wrote:
Hello there. I'm making a Top 50 list for 2020 and my list is lacking a power metal album. I generally don't like power metal so I was hoping someone could help me. Last year my "power" metal album was Vulture - Ghastly Waves & Battered Graves. The music was speed metal but the vocals were qualified enough to call power metal. So what I'm looking for is something infused because as a stand-only I do not like power metal. Stuff like Speed/Power, Heavy/Power, or Thrash/Power would be nice. I don't like "epic" stuff in my music either so if you can avoid that that be great. I'm also not a fan of the modernized progressive guitar sound.

You may want to check out if you haven't already:

Cloven Hoof "Age Of Steel"
Sacred Outcry "Damned For All Time"
Wolf "Feeding The Machine"
Raven "Metal City"
Cirith Ungol "Forever Black"

Cirith Ungol, Cloven Hoof and Sacred Outcry are all contenders for my top 10 this year.

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rawsewage
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:25 pm 
 

Maybe try Solicitor-Spectral Devastation. It’s more a heavy/speed album than power.

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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:27 pm 
 

I dont think it has been a spectacular year for power metal but the new Glacier, Eternal Champion and Hittman albums might be worth checking out. If you are willing for stuff thats a bit different than strictly power metal maybe check out Bütcher, Wytch Hazel and Spirit Adrifts new albums.

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Oblarg
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:23 pm 
 

The new Glacier album wins it by a mile, for me. That one's a keeper; one of the best USPM albums of the decade.
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MetlaNZ
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:27 pm 
 

Oblarg wrote:
The new Glacier album wins it by a mile, for me. That one's a keeper; one of the best USPM albums of the decade.

I've tried out the Glacier album a couple of times now and I just can't get into it.

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Depersonalizationilosophy
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:49 pm 
 

Thank you for the suggestions but none of the albums mentioned above hit the spot. Though I do enjoy the new Butcher album. Good slab of Black/Speed with Heavy Metal Influences. I guess I'll wait until the end of year list and check out those albums.

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kytokinesis
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:56 pm 
 

Depersonalizationilosophy wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions but none of the albums mentioned above hit the spot. Though I do enjoy the new Butcher album. Good slab of Black/Speed with Heavy Metal Influences. I guess I'll wait until the end of year list and check out those albums.

Here's a few you might try

Ice War - Defender, Destroyer
Megaton Sword - Blood Hails Steel - Steel Hails Fire
Wanderer - Awakening Force
Black Sword Thunder Attack - March of the Damned (it's an EP though)

It's not out yet, but keep an eye out for Molten Chains - Torment Enshrined. Based on the single that's out it has extreme metal influence but in an old school heavy/power shell.

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Depersonalizationilosophy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:59 pm 
 

Wanderer had decent music but the vocals I could not stand. Besides the bad band name, Black Sword Thunder Attack are actually pretty good. Nice recommendation even if there's no power metal in it. Though they are on the borderline of the keyboards being a little irritating. Molten Chains is actually on my list of albums to check out. I really liked the single I checked out by them.

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Sepulchrave
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:43 am 
 

What are some classic-era (from Tales to Nightfall) Blind Guardian worship bands? Lots of layering, powerful riffs. I know Persuader, heard of Savage Circus, what else is there?
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Jophelerx
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:43 am 
 

Don't Drop the Sword sounds sort of like Blind Guardian but unfortunately without all the charm and ingenuity that makes BG enjoyable. Aside from Persuader and Savage Circus...I haven't really heard any BG worship bands, sadly. Though Final Prophecy's Beyond Reality demo always struck me as proto-Somewhere Far Beyond-ish, it predates the album, so can't actually be called "worship." If anyone else knows any others, I'd be keen to hear them, too!
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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:37 pm 
 

Listened to the Megaton Sword album, i expected euro power but its actually more like Eternal Champions with the hardcore elements replaced with extreme metal ones. Liked it quite a bit.

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Zelkiiro
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:39 am 
 

Jophelerx wrote:
Don't Drop the Sword sounds sort of like Blind Guardian but unfortunately without all the charm and ingenuity that makes BG enjoyable. Aside from Persuader and Savage Circus...I haven't really heard any BG worship bands, sadly. Though Final Prophecy's Beyond Reality demo always struck me as proto-Somewhere Far Beyond-ish, it predates the album, so can't actually be called "worship." If anyone else knows any others, I'd be keen to hear them, too!

Don't Drop the Sword has its moments where they do truly sound like a band inspired by the best parts of Blind Guardian, but other than that...

Yeah...there really isn't a whole lot of Blind Guardian worship out there. Which is kind of ruining my day, now that I think about it.
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Jophelerx
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:31 am 
 

Actually, I listened to Shadow Host's Bringer of Revenge yesterday at work after thinking about possible bands similar to BG and realizing that it was on my iPod. Rec'd by someone awhile back as being somewhat similar to BG but I had never really given it a proper listen. I'd say it is akin to a thrashier Imaginations sound, and probably the closest I've heard to BG worship aside from Savage Circus. Worth a go for those interested in the style.
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interstellar_medium
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:02 pm 
 

Sepulchrave wrote:
What are some classic-era (from Tales to Nightfall) Blind Guardian worship bands? Lots of layering, powerful riffs. I know Persuader, heard of Savage Circus, what else is there?

Some people say Judicator (John Yelland's band) is something of a BG clone. I can't really recommend them because the only thing I've heard from them is that song with Kürsch guesting, and I didn't like it one bit... but I'm weird, so you might still want to check them out.

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Opus
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:52 pm 
 

Sepulchrave wrote:
What are some classic-era (from Tales to Nightfall) Blind Guardian worship bands? Lots of layering, powerful riffs.

Why no mention of Orden Ogan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rm69eto1k

Mad Ripper is quite Blind Guardiany, that happens when you have a Hansi soundalike on vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8hJ649HqA
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Element_man
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:01 pm 
 

Sepulchrave wrote:
What are some classic-era (from Tales to Nightfall) Blind Guardian worship bands? Lots of layering, powerful riffs. I know Persuader, heard of Savage Circus, what else is there?

It's funny--Blind Guardian are such a massive band in the genre and many people cite them as influences but very few bands actually sound like them. You would have an easier time finding bands who worship their first two albums. They have such a distinct sense of melody, song structure, harmony and rhythm and very few bands have even attempted to replicate it. That folky, minstrel vibe mixed with the Metallica-isms, the Brian May guitar orchestra arrangements and the drum patterns are like lightning in a bottle. And that's saying nothing about Hansi writing some of the coolest vocal arrangements on the planet.

The Australian band Lord got a bit of a vibe on some of their songs from "Ascendant" (or whatever that album was called) although the vocal style of pretty different. But otherwise, Savage Circus is the best you're gonna get.
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Jophelerx
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:29 am 
 

interstellar_medium wrote:
Sepulchrave wrote:
What are some classic-era (from Tales to Nightfall) Blind Guardian worship bands? Lots of layering, powerful riffs. I know Persuader, heard of Savage Circus, what else is there?

Some people say Judicator (John Yelland's band) is something of a BG clone. I can't really recommend them because the only thing I've heard from them is that song with Kürsch guesting, and I didn't like it one bit... but I'm weird, so you might still want to check them out.

Jophelerx wrote:
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It's always a bit surreal seeing people from civilised countries recommend local Russian bands to each other :))


Judicator sounds vaguely similar to BG at times, but far from a clone or worship band, to my ears.

Also, I'm from the US, which at this point is a bit of a stretch to call "civilized," I think. :P

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Sepulchrave wrote:
What are some classic-era (from Tales to Nightfall) Blind Guardian worship bands? Lots of layering, powerful riffs.

Why no mention of Orden Ogan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rm69eto1k

Mad Ripper is quite Blind Guardiany, that happens when you have a Hansi soundalike on vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8hJ649HqA


Mad Ripper's vocalist does sound quite a bit like Hansi, but the riffs sound nothing like Blind Guardian.

You're not the first person to suggest Orden Ogan as being similar to BG, but I've never heard the similarity, personally.
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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:53 pm 
 

interstellar_medium wrote:
Sepulchrave wrote:
What are some classic-era (from Tales to Nightfall) Blind Guardian worship bands? Lots of layering, powerful riffs. I know Persuader, heard of Savage Circus, what else is there?

Some people say Judicator (John Yelland's band) is something of a BG clone. I can't really recommend them because the only thing I've heard from them is that song with Kürsch guesting, and I didn't like it one bit... but I'm weird, so you might still want to check them out.

The Last Emperor is hands down one of the best power metal albums of the last decade. The rest of the Judicator catalog is very hit or miss, and the band recently lost most of its members so it's hard to imagine they'll do anything special again, but it's really worth sitting down with that album. It's very much BG worship but with plenty of its own charm.

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