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The Ardbeg Wizard
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:32 am 
 

Morn Of Solace wrote:
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Come at me with your favorite medieval black metal please


i like the most the standard french one (Aorlhac, Darkenhold, Véhémence...) and i dig other "big bands" of the genre Obsequiae, Godkiller, Ungfell... i've liked recently Mystras, the side project from the guy behind Spectral Lore.

for more obscure stuff i remember liking Dolcinian's ep Penitenthiagite. They were a quite unknown Italian band focused on the story of Fra Dolcino, an heretic that was killed very gruesomely by the inquisition. I haven't heard them in ages tough!


I like Obsequiae, Godkiller and Ungfell! Dolcinian was new to me, I like it, thanks!

Unity wrote:
The Ardbeg Wizard wrote:
Come at me with your favorite medieval black metal please


Are Satyricon's first two albums too obvious?


Yes, but black metal doesn't get much better than those records.
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DonHoorn
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:04 am 
 

Moclath wrote:
Anyone got some stuff like Aaskereia - Dort, wo das alte Böse ruht? I need something like that..I know it's a unique album,i've been trying to find something like that butt i never find it,after i listened to this album,the other albums i've listened to were way behind this one..because i thought it was simply amazing


That album is rather unique. Some bands that come to mind that might be similar to it are Heimdalls Wacht, Irrlycht, Lunar Aurora and Nachtfalke
These are pretty obvious so you might already know them.
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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:20 am 
 

Looking for the best black metal bands that aren't trying to be evil and whatnot. So no satanic or violent themes, and absolutely no violent activity (murder, church burning, etc), or anything else that might cause controversy. Basically, my only requirement is that they're morally respectable. In terms of musical style, I'm open to anything. Already found Immortal, it seems like they might be the only band from the Norwegian scene that wasn't causing controversy.

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Morn Of Solace
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:52 am 
 

EvergreenSherbert wrote:
Looking for the best black metal bands that aren't trying to be evil and whatnot. So no satanic or violent themes, and absolutely no violent activity (murder, church burning, etc), or anything else that might cause controversy. Basically, my only requirement is that they're morally respectable. In terms of musical style, I'm open to anything. Already found Immortal, it seems like they might be the only band from the Norwegian scene that wasn't causing controversy.


Enslaved too had zero involvement with the controversial side of the scene, and while i can't speak for the early norwegian lyrics the ones on the latest black/viking/prog albums have introspective and mystical themes. The music is great, but not exactly what you expect from a black metal album

There are a tons of atmospheric BM bands that go for a nature/spirituality themes, but 99% of them make me struggle to stay awake:
Fen's The Malediction Fields however is an exception, great record with a great atmosphere

Klabautamann's Merkur is another one: contemplative, creative and most importantly full of great riffs. If you are into Opeth's music you'll probably love this

Spectral Lore's later albums like III, the Gnosis ep... are also focused on beautiful, cosmic soundscapes without lacking in the riff department

Also staying in the realm of really creative music Negură Bunget's Om is a must: I can't think of any album like it.

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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:58 am 
 

Thanks for those suggestions, I've also found that atmospheric black metal is usually on the spiritual side so that's where I've been focusing. I'll probably try the Klabautamann one first, since I do love Opeth.

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The Ardbeg Wizard
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:12 am 
 

EvergreenSherbert wrote:
Looking for the best black metal bands that aren't trying to be evil and whatnot. So no satanic or violent themes, and absolutely no violent activity (murder, church burning, etc), or anything else that might cause controversy. Basically, my only requirement is that they're morally respectable. In terms of musical style, I'm open to anything. Already found Immortal, it seems like they might be the only band from the Norwegian scene that wasn't causing controversy.


Take all the fun out it, why don't you?
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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:03 am 
 

The Ardbeg Wizard wrote:
EvergreenSherbert wrote:
Looking for the best black metal bands that aren't trying to be evil and whatnot. So no satanic or violent themes, and absolutely no violent activity (murder, church burning, etc), or anything else that might cause controversy. Basically, my only requirement is that they're morally respectable. In terms of musical style, I'm open to anything. Already found Immortal, it seems like they might be the only band from the Norwegian scene that wasn't causing controversy.


Take all the fun out it, why don't you?

Haha, no I'm just not ready to listen to bands knowing that they've been murdering their own members and burning churches and shit.

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The Ardbeg Wizard
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:56 pm 
 

EvergreenSherbert wrote:
The Ardbeg Wizard wrote:
EvergreenSherbert wrote:
Looking for the best black metal bands that aren't trying to be evil and whatnot. So no satanic or violent themes, and absolutely no violent activity (murder, church burning, etc), or anything else that might cause controversy. Basically, my only requirement is that they're morally respectable. In terms of musical style, I'm open to anything. Already found Immortal, it seems like they might be the only band from the Norwegian scene that wasn't causing controversy.


Take all the fun out it, why don't you?

Haha, no I'm just not ready to listen to bands knowing that they've been murdering their own members and burning churches and shit.


You sure black metal is for you?
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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:03 pm 
 

The Ardbeg Wizard wrote:
You sure black metal is for you?


Yes, I listen to a shit ton of black metal bands already. I'm just looking for more of them, I don't need any trouble.

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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:35 pm 
 

The Ardbeg Wizard wrote:
You sure black metal is for you?

You should go back to asking people for recommendations on black metal that sounds like the smell of a barnhouse or whatever, and stop being a pretentious gatekeeper.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:41 pm 
 

Ardbeg Wizard is a useless edgelord. You can ignore whatever he says.

As for your request, check out Dzö-nga. Great atmo-black heavily inspired by Native American mythology. And though they don't reflect it in their music, the musicians lean heavily toward antifascism.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dz ... iscography
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Karlabos
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:45 pm 
 

As pointed out, there are plenty black metal bands that diverged from satan and destruction. Actually the abandonment of the original theme and embracement of the concept of the black metal in music only is an important movement of the scene called 3rd wave of black metal. Pretty much any band that started after circa 2000 can be expected to be non-satanic and if they are they are often referred to as a '2nd wave type' black metal band. To put it shortly, nowadays thinking that bm is about satan is a very 90s thing and you could go hunt pretty much without any fear on recent bandcamp releases.

It's hard to give recs since there are so many of them, but since you seemed to show interest in atmoblack, and especially on bands related to nature and spiritualism I'm gonna drop out some curious stuff on that line:

Botanist is an atmoblack project themed on plants. They have replaced the guitars by a hammered dulcimer. I don't know why but the dulcimer does make it sound a bit more organic, imo

Panopticon is a nature themed atmoblack with some americana influences (not all albums have those, though). I also think they are antifa, but not sure, I don't follow the politics behind

Kaatayra began in 2019. It doesn't get closer to nature-themed black metal than a full acoustic guitar black metal act from Brazil :p

Is Wolves IN The Throne Room too obvious? They are pretty much the most well known and the first recommended band when it comes to non-satanic/non-90s norwegian scene related. Nothing groundbreaking if listened nowadays, but they can definitely do a good songwriting. Also check my post slightly above for some classic heavy, not too light atmospheric bm recs if you're into the heavier stuff.

I don't wanna spam too much recs, but just so you know apart from atmospheric bm there are other niches that came with the 3rd wave that may be worthy following: space black metal (Darkspace, Mare Cognitum, Midnight Odyssey, ...) often focus on space themes and a desolate feeling
Shoegaze black metal or blackgaze (Deafheaven, An Autumn For Crippled Children, Violet Cold...), as the name implies, is black metal mixed with shoegaze. The themes may vary, but you can pretty much see it as if a shoegaze band like My Bloody Valentine had harsh vocals and blastbeats, so not much satanism and violence involved.
Post black metal (Fen, Entropia, ...) as the name impolies, is black metal mixed with post metal. Again the themes may vary. You can pretty much expect it to be a regular post metal band like Cult Of Luna lyricalwise, except that black metal sounding.
Experimental black metal or avantgarde black metal are mixed of black metal with avantgarde huh... metal (debatable?) Again, there are tons of these, but most of them is focused on the gimmick also lyricalwise, therefore not satanic in most cases. For instance Botanist linked above may be considered experimental black metal because of the dulcimer, and the lyrical themes are all plant related.

So since you said you're open to anything, maybe you'd like to browse the subgenres as well, it's what i'm saying :3

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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:36 pm 
 

Wilytank wrote:
Ardbeg Wizard is a useless edgelord. You can ignore whatever he says.

As for your request, check out Dzö-nga. Great atmo-black heavily inspired by Native American mythology. And though they don't reflect it in their music, the musicians lean heavily toward antifascism.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dz ... iscography

Sounds interesting, I'll definitely give them a try.

Karlabos wrote:
As pointed out, there are plenty black metal bands that diverged from satan and destruction. Actually the abandonment of the original theme and embracement of the concept of the black metal in music only is an important movement of the scene called 3rd wave of black metal. Pretty much any band that started after circa 2000 can be expected to be non-satanic and if they are they are often referred to as a '2nd wave type' black metal band. To put it shortly, nowadays thinking that bm is about satan is a very 90s thing and you could go hunt pretty much without any fear on recent bandcamp releases.

It's hard to give recs since there are so many of them, but since you seemed to show interest in atmoblack, and especially on bands related to nature and spiritualism I'm gonna drop out some curious stuff on that line:

Botanist is an atmoblack project themed on plants. They have replaced the guitars by a hammered dulcimer. I don't know why but the dulcimer does make it sound a bit more organic, imo

Panopticon is a nature themed atmoblack with some americana influences (not all albums have those, though). I also think they are antifa, but not sure, I don't follow the politics behind

Kaatayra began in 2019. It doesn't get closer to nature-themed black metal than a full acoustic guitar black metal act from Brazil :p

Is Wolves IN The Throne Room too obvious? They are pretty much the most well known and the first recommended band when it comes to non-satanic/non-90s norwegian scene related. Nothing groundbreaking if listened nowadays, but they can definitely do a good songwriting. Also check my post slightly above for some classic heavy, not too light atmospheric bm recs if you're into the heavier stuff.

I don't wanna spam too much recs, but just so you know apart from atmospheric bm there are other niches that came with the 3rd wave that may be worthy following: space black metal (Darkspace, Mare Cognitum, Midnight Odyssey, ...) often focus on space themes and a desolate feeling
Shoegaze black metal or blackgaze (Deafheaven, An Autumn For Crippled Children, Violet Cold...), as the name implies, is black metal mixed with shoegaze. The themes may vary, but you can pretty much see it as if a shoegaze band like My Bloody Valentine had harsh vocals and blastbeats, so not much satanism and violence involved.
Post black metal (Fen, Entropia, ...) as the name impolies, is black metal mixed with post metal. Again the themes may vary. You can pretty much expect it to be a regular post metal band like Cult Of Luna lyricalwise, except that black metal sounding.
Experimental black metal or avantgarde black metal are mixed of black metal with avantgarde huh... metal (debatable?) Again, there are tons of these, but most of them is focused on the gimmick also lyricalwise, therefore not satanic in most cases. For instance Botanist linked above may be considered experimental black metal because of the dulcimer, and the lyrical themes are all plant related.

So since you said you're open to anything, maybe you'd like to browse the subgenres as well, it's what i'm saying :3

Thanks for the info and thorough list, I'll make sure all of these bands are saved to a notepad. Btw, I did already find Wolves In The Throne Room a long time ago, pretty cool band. I'm also somewhat familiar with blackgaze, Møl being the only band from the genre I currently follow.

Just in case anyone was thinking of suggesting these, I've also already found Agalloch, Akhlys, Auðn, Drudkh, Fuath, Numenorean, Saor, Wiegedood, Wilt, and Woods Of Ypres (if you count them). All great bands, if anyone else is looking for that kind of thing.

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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:17 am 
 

Auðn is an excellent one. I'd also recommend Fluisteraars, and Lantlôs (especially Agape, as that's the peak of their post-black metal catalogue, and the following albums, while very good, have dropped all black metal elements completely). I'd also warmly recommend Skogen, although they're a bit "edgier" than some of the other bands. Any album is good to start with, except maybe the latest one, as that's a sudden shift to a more epic doom influenced sound.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:31 am 
 

Ilwhyan wrote:
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You sure black metal is for you?

You should go back to asking people for recommendations on black metal that sounds like the smell of a barnhouse or whatever, and stop being a pretentious gatekeeper.


I will!
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Karlabos
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:42 pm 
 

Is there a band of that recent trend of lightweight atmoblack or blackgaze, except that with tortured vocals, like... dsbmish? That'd be quite interesting to listen

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:03 am 
 

Karlabos wrote:
Is there a band of that recent trend of lightweight atmoblack or blackgaze, except that with tortured vocals, like... dsbmish? That'd be quite interesting to listen

A Light In the Dark: https://alightinthedark.bandcamp.com/
Cold Body Radiation: https://coldbodyradiation.bandcamp.com/.

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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:15 am 
 

Could use some non-satanic black metal bands who use fast diminished or dissonant chords. Think tritones, not panic chords.

This is probably the best example of what I'm looking for:
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The little black metal(ish) part at 2:14 in this song is also an okay example:
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This isn't quite the same thing, but the chords and notes here make a really dark and evil atmosphere that I love:
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Karlabos
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:26 pm 
 

Jute Gyte? The fast paced parts are so dissonant that make me kinda dizzy.

Are Imperial Triumphant and Ved Buens Ende too obvious? I figure they are pretty famous as of now.

Also Drottnar is so non-saatanic that they're actually christian, lol.

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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:36 pm 
 

Thanks for those suggestions, Ved Buens Ende and Drottnar sound pretty good. I suppose I should specify in my post what I mean by "dissonant" though.

And no, those bands aren't too obvious. I'm fairly new to black metal, so I'm not familiar with too many bands yet outside of atmospheric black metal.

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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:27 am 
 

Found a beautiful atmospheric black metal band that doesn't have enough followers. Most atmo black tries to go for a woodsy feel, these guys feel more spacey. The vocals, though distant, are also pretty phenomenal in my opinion.

Bandcamp:
https://astralpath.bandcamp.com/releases

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