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Daniels 4 Beasts
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:08 am 
 

I think dark ambient is generally thought of as a subgenre of electronic music but I'll just speculate here that there is a large overlap of people who are also into metal for its similarly dark/spooky/cold/bleak atmosphere. I mean albums like
Brian Eno - On Land
Trent Reznor - Quake Soundtrack
Lustmord - just about anything, but in particular Stalker (his collab with Robert Rich) or Where the Black Stars Hang
Jeff Greinke - Cities in Fog 1 & 2

sample tracks to get the idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTmRK8dJv3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLSJ6PLRfUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-RNcbWAdy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-94T9Lb1FU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JsF4Q93BMs

As I say I think most people see those albums as electronic rather than heavy metal but there must be certain bands, individuals or albums with similar sounds like clanging chains and/or pipes, vague aircraft sounds, etc in the metal world. Are there any examples?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:13 am 
 

Daniels 4 Beasts wrote:

As I say I think most people see those albums as electronic rather than heavy metal but there must be certain bands, individuals or albums with similar sounds like clanging chains and/or pipes, vague aircraft sounds, etc in the metal world. Are there any examples?

So just to clarify, are you looking for more dark ambient stuff or looking for dark ambient mixed in with metal music?

If the former, I recommend you peruse the Cryo Chamber label on Bandcamp. It's the label started by Cold Meat Industry veteran Simon Heath (of Atrium Carceri). Some really interesting directions taken by a lot of these, but Sector Hydra by Dronny Darko and Rngmnn is one of the ones worth checking out the most if you want just cold mechanical dark ambient.

https://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/album/sector-hydra

Full label page:
https://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/music

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Daniels 4 Beasts
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:39 am 
 

Considering the similar 'aesthetic' of heavy metal and dark ambient I guess I wondered if any metal artists dabbled (or more than dabbled) with dark/creepy ambient, but approaching it from a metal background or point-of-view as opposed to Brian Eno & Jeff Greinke, who come from an electronic music background. Maybe that's a better way to put it. I had a quick listen to that Sector Hydra album & I don't think they're a metal group that's still the right sort of sound.

edit - actually how about this track. It's a bit like what I was thinking of, especially the second half. Is there a whole album like that, or a band that does it? The first track on this album is so badass I forget about the rest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ipEYdy11A

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Morphine1873
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:55 am 
 

I don't quite see what link can be made between the second part of the track you give as an example and metal...

But I'm thinking of a peculiar case of a metal band quitting metal to develop their most ethereal, spooky sides on another ambient-dedicated project. The band is Dolorian; they were a dark doom metal band and they eventually morphed into one bleak ambient project called Halo Manash.
Give it a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07lfMUN8vXA

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:18 pm 
 

People involved in the metal scene doing dark ambient type of stuff that isn't tacky dungeon synth or "Windows 98 trying to murder you" I can think of MZ. 412, Arditi, Hexentanz, Aghast, Karjalan Sissit, Leidungr and Angel of Decay and other Jon Canady projects excluding Deathpile.
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Daniels 4 Beasts
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:48 pm 
 

I haven't heard any of those but had a quick look online and they all seem pretty interesting. I also remembered a group called Blut aus Nord that I'd read about a while back but never actually listened to. Maybe now this is the time :P All these groups seem to do variations of black metal which I suppose I can understand. It's hard to imagine a crusty/party thrash band doing this sort of thing. Still, I certainly don't mean to limit myself to black metal, or 'black ambient'.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:01 pm 
 

The last one I mentioned started his career in a fun hardcore punk band with crossover tendencies that isn't on the Archives, members went on to form industrial death metal band Dead World which is on the Archives. Hexentanz is with people who had a hand in the old school death metal scene, mostly one of the guys doing artworks. Karjalan Sissit is a guy that started in a death/doom band but was also in a black metal band. MZ 412 is an industrial music guy, he only did a couple of session work for a few metal bands, never a full time metal musician. Aghast, well she was in Cradle of Filth, I dunno if that's really so black metal.
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Morphine1873
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:14 am 
 

Daniels 4 Beasts wrote:
I also remembered a group called Blut aus Nord that I'd read about a while back



I think BAN never really went full ambient, the most atmospheric segments of their music are always sustained by a "metal frame", with gloomy riffing and indus-tinged drumming. Thematic Emanation of Archetypal Multiplicity is one good example of their experimentations in this field.

Another interesting project is this one:
https://trepaneringsritualen.bandcamp.c ... -merkstave

this recent album is plain ambient

but the more you go back up his discography, the more you'll find indus-death-ish elements. Up to this kind of stuff:
https://trepaneringsritualen.bandcamp.c ... permanence

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:41 pm 
 

Black Seas Of Infinity

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Daniels 4 Beasts
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:17 am 
 

I haven't forgotten about this thread, soon I will start on some Cold Meat Industry, Cryo Chamber, Tesco Organisation, etc. All the other groups/artists look very interesting & I'll get to them too. Not long ago I heard Nastrond's Celebration of the Four album, and I thought it also fit this thread.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:46 pm 
 

Definitely a challenging thread, most of the dark ambient I'm into is electronic-based and unrelated to metal. The two that come to mind are ones you might already be aware of, but are you familiar with Fenriz' Neptune Towers project, and Ulver's experiments in that direction? (ones like Shadows of the Sun, Lyckantropen Themes, Messe I.X-VI.X, or Terrestrials, their collaboration with Sunn O))))

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Dudeguy Jones
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:33 pm 
 

Black Earth? I think they are Portuguese.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:18 am 
 

Daniels 4 Beasts wrote:
Considering the similar 'aesthetic' of heavy metal and dark ambient I guess I wondered if any metal artists dabbled (or more than dabbled) with dark/creepy ambient, but approaching it from a metal background or point-of-view as opposed to Brian Eno & Jeff Greinke, who come from an electronic music background.


Maybe this will suit you?



If you wanna try just the first track by itself, go to this link instead:

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Daniels 4 Beasts
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:40 pm 
 

LithoJazzoSphere wrote:
Definitely a challenging thread, most of the dark ambient I'm into is electronic-based and unrelated to metal. The two that come to mind are ones you might already be aware of, but are you familiar with Fenriz' Neptune Towers project, and Ulver's experiments in that direction? (ones like Shadows of the Sun, Lyckantropen Themes, Messe I.X-VI.X, or Terrestrials, their collaboration with Sunn O))))


I listened through all of Ulvers stuff a while back & I don't remember anything like dark ambient. Maybe I should revisit that stuff. I definitely remember Stone Angels which isn't really bleak ambient but sounds more like something by Gavin Bryars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-0q-Ayd7c I've never heard of Neptune Towers though. I'll throw that on the pile too. I also listened to all the Les Légions Noires bands, including Aakon Keetreh but as I was thinking black metal at the time I guess I missed that ambient track. I was generally distracted by the rawness of all those recordings also. Maybe I should revisit him anyway because that was a decent track. I found a Black Earth originally from Galicia which is close enough to Portugal, that seems to be the one. I'll have to check them out too.

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Morphine1873
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:51 am 
 

THAW are an interesting band that fit the request imo. It's very dark, abrasive and unsettling. No electo here, it's a whole band of metal-related musicians:

https://thaw.bandcamp.com/album/split-w-echoes-of-yul (the EOY part is tasty as well although doomier, and makes it a perfect split)

https://thaw.bandcamp.com/album/st-phenome-alley-2

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:56 am 
 

Just stumbled across this ambient release by a black metal band called Lux Luna. It's generally quite moody, murky and understated - may fit the bill.

Lux Luna - "Moonlit Wanderings"
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:18 pm 
 

maybe this fits your bill:

https://cetatidacicedinmuntiiorastiei.b ... m/releases

utterly ineffable, but highly competent LLN-worshipping dark dungeon synth.
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