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Kruel
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:31 am 
 

UmmWhat wrote:
can i have some recomendations on symphonic bands, but note like dimmu please?

(thanks mors_gloria for the others,they were great)

Profanum and Helveto are very, very symphonic, and quite good, too.

Anorexia Nervosa is pretty fast and brutal for a symphonic black metal band, but also has much beauty.
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:17 am 
 

Kruel wrote:
UmmWhat wrote:
can i have some recomendations on symphonic bands, but note like dimmu please?

(thanks mors_gloria for the others,they were great)

Profanum and Helveto are very, very symphonic, and quite good, too.

Anorexia Nervosa is pretty fast and brutal for a symphonic black metal band, but also has much beauty.

Perhaps also Limbonic Art ... at least their first two or even three full-length might be fitting. What about Troll from Norway?
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avrlabel
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:34 am 
 

Probably after L.Art you dont need anything else.

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Mors_Gloria
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:47 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
What about Troll from Norway?


I've heard The Last Predator and it wasn't anything great. I have to listen to Drep De Kristne though in order to form a full opinion.

UmmWhat, you'll love Tartaros and you might like Savaoth. Also, I'd like to second Profanum. Hellveto are good but slightly more folky than symphonic.

~Going to check Pagan Spirit~
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:54 am 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
oneyoudontknow wrote:
What about Troll from Norway?


I've heard The Last Predator and it wasn't anything great. I have to listen to Drep De Kristne though in order to form a full opinion.

Forget The last Predator... Drep de Kristne is way better.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:48 am 
 

[/quote]~Going to check Pagan Spirit~[/quote]

They are one or rare bands that use keyboards and that I like.

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Mors_Gloria
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:56 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:


Forget The last Predator... Drep de Kristne is way better.


I want to listen to it but I've troubles locating it.

avrlabel wrote:

They are one or rare bands that use keyboards and that I like.


I have seen their full-length. I'll buy it in the next chance I get.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:09 am 
 

I have that album already.It comes with big nice booklet(coloured) and with all lyrics.
Lyrics arent pagan although name spoke as that yet occult ones and they are great.

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Metalmanjrt
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:08 pm 
 

Anyone got any good recs. on unblack metal? Only band I truly know is Horde.

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Mors_Gloria
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:04 pm 
 

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Anyone got any good recs. on unblack metal? Only band I truly know is Horde.


Horde is not a good band. However, you'd like Antestor, Vaakevandring, Holy Blood, Evrokleidon, Poems of Shadows and Holy Blood.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:07 pm 
 

Metalmanjrt wrote:
Anyone got any good recs. on unblack metal? Only band I truly know is Horde.


Please dont speak about that here!

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:08 pm 
 

UmmWhat wrote:
can i have some recomendations on symphonic bands, but note like dimmu please?

(thanks mors_gloria for the others,they were great)


Check out Zargof, Evilfeast, and Tartaros. They're all very good symphonic bm bands.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:10 pm 
 

ThrashingMad wrote:
I've been really into the typical eastern European sound lately. I love bands like Thor's Hammer, Ohtar, Dark Fury, Nokturnal Mortum, Dub Buk, and that kinda stuff. So it'd be great if I could get some bands with a similar sound to those.


No one knows of any good Eastern European bands?

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:12 pm 
 

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ThrashingMad wrote:
I've been really into the typical eastern European sound lately. I love bands like Thor's Hammer, Ohtar, Dark Fury, Nokturnal Mortum, Dub Buk, and that kinda stuff. So it'd be great if I could get some bands with a similar sound to those.


No one knows of any good Eastern European bands?

Noktorn mentioned Dub Buk in relation to Kul Ofenzivy
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:24 pm 
 

ThrashingMad wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
I've been really into the typical eastern European sound lately. I love bands like Thor's Hammer, Ohtar, Dark Fury, Nokturnal Mortum, Dub Buk, and that kinda stuff. So it'd be great if I could get some bands with a similar sound to those.


No one knows of any good Eastern European bands?


A lot. But it really depends on the style. However, you can check Kamaedzitca, M8L8TH, Profane Solitude, Lutomysl, Kataxu and Volkolak to start with.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:26 pm 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
I've been really into the typical eastern European sound lately. I love bands like Thor's Hammer, Ohtar, Dark Fury, Nokturnal Mortum, Dub Buk, and that kinda stuff. So it'd be great if I could get some bands with a similar sound to those.


No one knows of any good Eastern European bands?


A lot. But it really depends on the style. However, you can check Kamaedzitca, M8L8TH, Profane Solitude, Lutomysl, Kataxu and Volkolak to start with.


I'm looking for the typical sort of folkish style that is usually associated with that region. Like the bands I listed above. So I guess it doesn't have to be from Eastern Europe as long as it has that feel.

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Mors_Gloria
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:29 pm 
 

ThrashingMad wrote:
Mors_Gloria wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
I've been really into the typical eastern European sound lately. I love bands like Thor's Hammer, Ohtar, Dark Fury, Nokturnal Mortum, Dub Buk, and that kinda stuff. So it'd be great if I could get some bands with a similar sound to those.


No one knows of any good Eastern European bands?


A lot. But it really depends on the style. However, you can check Kamaedzitca, M8L8TH, Profane Solitude, Lutomysl, Kataxu and Volkolak to start with.


I'm looking for the typical sort of folkish style that is usually associated with that region. Like the bands I listed above. So I guess it doesn't have to be from Eastern Europe as long as it has that feel.


Check the above bands. You'll like them. M8L8TH is slightly more punky and Kataxu more atmospheric (like Emperor) but you'll like the others. Swastyka and Sunwheel may help too.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:31 pm 
 

ThrashingMad wrote:
Mors_Gloria wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
I've been really into the typical eastern European sound lately. I love bands like Thor's Hammer, Ohtar, Dark Fury, Nokturnal Mortum, Dub Buk, and that kinda stuff. So it'd be great if I could get some bands with a similar sound to those.


No one knows of any good Eastern European bands?


A lot. But it really depends on the style. However, you can check Kamaedzitca, M8L8TH, Profane Solitude, Lutomysl, Kataxu and Volkolak to start with.


I'm looking for the typical sort of folkish style that is usually associated with that region. Like the bands I listed above. So I guess it doesn't have to be from Eastern Europe as long as it has that feel.

Kroda, Lucifigum and maybe Astrofaes and Xul too.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:32 pm 
 

ThrashingMad wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
I've been really into the typical eastern European sound lately. I love bands like Thor's Hammer, Ohtar, Dark Fury, Nokturnal Mortum, Dub Buk, and that kinda stuff. So it'd be great if I could get some bands with a similar sound to those.


No one knows of any good Eastern European bands?


Good Eastern bands

Pseudogod,Gelida Obscuritas,Black Wood,Daemonolatreia,Gehangter Jude,Odor Mortis,Bestial Demongoat,Church of Misanthropy,Maroth,Angelgoat,Mor(Serbia),Perverse Monastyr,.....

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Metalmanjrt
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:43 pm 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
Metalmanjrt wrote:
Anyone got any good recs. on unblack metal? Only band I truly know is Horde.


Horde is not a good band. However, you'd like Antestor, Vaakevandring, Holy Blood, Evrokleidon, Poems of Shadows and Holy Blood.


Thanks for being so nice to me and not trying to boot me off like other people. Not all black metal has to be :evil: or :hail:. Unblack metal is a subgenre of black metal just like 1st wave, symphonic, norweigan blah blah blah. I'm gonna check out Antestor. Not to offend but Christians can :np: just as loud, you don't have to :guns: or :crash: them just because Gahl says so. :lol:

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avrlabel
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:46 pm 
 

Black metal canot be a christian shit becouse its core id opposite of it.
Also real bm canot be symphonic or what else..
This is boring but true story.

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Mors_Gloria
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:53 pm 
 

The definition of Black Metal varies from person to person. Personally, I classify Black Metal according to its sound and not according to its lyrics. Cause lyrically I've heard rappers that are more Black Metal from the average NSBM or Unblack Metal band.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:03 pm 
 

avrlabel wrote:
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:14 pm 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
The definition of Black Metal varies from person to person.

That's true, as is every genre for that matter, though most of the time we agree on something to a certain extent. The "unblack" thing is a highly controversial one, and it is natural that people have different opinions. I personally don't classify it as black metal, but it's your thread, so I guess there wouldn't be much problem in getting "unblack" metal recs in this thread.
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Mors_Gloria
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:17 pm 
 

Kruel wrote:
Mors_Gloria wrote:
The definition of Black Metal varies from person to person.

That's true, as is every genre for that matter, though most of the time we agree on something to a certain extent. The "unblack" thing is a highly controversial one, and it is natural that people have different opinions. I personally don't classify it as black metal, but it's your thread, so I guess there wouldn't be much problem in getting "unblack" metal recs in this thread.


I do not own this thread. I just started it. Nothing more. The thread belongs to all MAers as every thread on this forum.

My opinion does not count as in my opinion NSBM is not Black Metal.
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Kruel
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:21 pm 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
Kruel wrote:
Mors_Gloria wrote:
The definition of Black Metal varies from person to person.

That's true, as is every genre for that matter, though most of the time we agree on something to a certain extent. The "unblack" thing is a highly controversial one, and it is natural that people have different opinions. I personally don't classify it as black metal, but it's your thread, so I guess there wouldn't be much problem in getting "unblack" metal recs in this thread.


I do not own this thread. I just started it. Nothing more. The thread belongs to all MAers as every thread on this forum.

My opinion does not count as in my opinion NSBM is not Black Metal.

Wait, you said lyrics had nothing to do with black metal as far as you are concerned, and you think NSBM is not black metal? :scratch:

But anyway, we could just leave the requests and let them be answered if there are people who are willing to give recs to those requests... whether they're about unblack or NS or whatever.
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Mors_Gloria
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:25 pm 
 

Kruel wrote:
Wait, you said lyrics had nothing to do with black metal as far as you are concerned, and you think NSBM is not black metal? :scratch:


Personally, I believe that Black Metal is about music and only that. However, if we go in the lyrical department there are numerous things that I wouldn't count as BM lyrics. But for me a Black Metal band doesn't need to have BM lyrics to be considered BM.

Kruel wrote:
But anyway, we could just leave the requests and let them be answered if there are people who are willing to give recs to those requests... whether they're about unblack or NS or whatever.


I agree wholeheartedly.
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Anyone know a distro where they still sell Urfaust stuff?

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Weerwolf wrote:
Anyone know a distro where they still sell Urfaust stuff?


http://www.debemur-morti.com/default.php
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:43 pm 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
Weerwolf wrote:
Anyone know a distro where they still sell Urfaust stuff?


http://www.debemur-morti.com/default.php

I already found a distro that's going to sell their new MCD, but I was referring to their other stuff. I can't seem to find it on debemur-morti, unless I am not looking good.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:11 am 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
Cause lyrically I've heard rappers that are more Black Metal from the average NSBM


No.

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baalzamon999
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:44 am 
 

I'm not entirely sure if this belongs here, but can anyone recommend me some modern, mechanical, cold black metal in the vein of Anaal Nathrakh's first, or (The) Axis of Perdition?

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Kruel
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baalzamon999 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if this belongs here, but can anyone recommend me some modern, mechanical, cold black metal in the vein of Anaal Nathrakh's first, or (The) Axis of Perdition?

I guess Zyklon and Ad Hominem kind of fit it.

But Mysticum, which is a fairly old-school band, is the best of "industrial" black metal. The production isn't exactly clean, but it definitely has the "cold and mechanical" vibe.
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Mors_Gloria wrote:
The definition of Black Metal varies from person to person. Personally, I classify Black Metal according to its sound and not according to its lyrics. Cause lyrically I've heard rappers that are more Black Metal from the average NSBM or Unblack Metal band.


In Bm dont exist compromise.It most be satanic or it is not black metal.BM isnt music its whole ideological think.If you want the play same music as black metal is but with pagan,landscape,viking,troll,christian,Ns and other lyrical stuff please dont call it BM..Its something else.
I can play disco music and spoke about Satan and thats not BM ,its same when I play raw black metal and spoke about hapiness,pro life stuff and similiar.
The fact is that BM canot be just a music.

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oneyoudontknow wrote:
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Kruel
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avrlabel wrote:
Mors_Gloria wrote:
The definition of Black Metal varies from person to person. Personally, I classify Black Metal according to its sound and not according to its lyrics. Cause lyrically I've heard rappers that are more Black Metal from the average NSBM or Unblack Metal band.


In Bm dont exist compromise.It most be satanic or it is not black metal.BM isnt music its whole ideological think.If you want the play same music as black metal is but with pagan,landscape,viking,troll,christian,Ns and other lyrical stuff please dont call it BM..Its something else.
I can play disco music and spoke about Satan and thats not BM ,its same when I play raw black metal and spoke about hapiness,pro life stuff and similiar.
The fact is that BM canot be just a music.

It's your definition, which apparently agrees with the "true Norsk Arysk black metallers" but not with the majority of people on this forum.

Even though I disagree with you, I can understand how you may think so. But anyway, this thread isn't for discussing what black metal is. This is for requests and recommendations. While you may argue that the former question needs to be resolved in order for the latter process to fully function, apparently most people already agree on the what black metal is to an extent that the thread's fucntioning is not hindered by the differences of opinions. So, I suggest that you stop arguing over the definition of black metal.
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Kruel wrote:
avrlabel wrote:
Mors_Gloria wrote:
The definition of Black Metal varies from person to person. Personally, I classify Black Metal according to its sound and not according to its lyrics. Cause lyrically I've heard rappers that are more Black Metal from the average NSBM or Unblack Metal band.


In Bm dont exist compromise.It most be satanic or it is not black metal.BM isnt music its whole ideological think.If you want the play same music as black metal is but with pagan,landscape,viking,troll,christian,Ns and other lyrical stuff please dont call it BM..Its something else.
I can play disco music and spoke about Satan and thats not BM ,its same when I play raw black metal and spoke about hapiness,pro life stuff and similiar.
The fact is that BM canot be just a music.

It's your definition, which apparently agrees with the "true Norsk Arysk black metallers" but not with the majority of people on this forum.

Even though I disagree with you, I can understand how you may think so. But anyway, this thread isn't for discussing what black metal is. This is for requests and recommendations. While you may argue that the former question needs to be resolved in order for the latter process to fully function, apparently most people already agree on the what black metal is to an extent that the thread's fucntioning is not hindered by the differences of opinions. So, I suggest that you stop arguing over the definition of black metal.


Persons on this forum must know that such "democratic" views into Bm have destroyed it and still destroying not just BM yet also DM.
BM dont need discussions,it is and always be satanic plus Im big insulter on Norwegian bands becouse many of them havent been satanists at all so Im not "true Norsk Arysk black metallers" ..

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The "Norsk Arysk" part wasn't to be taken literally, but whatever on that.

What do you consider to be "Satanic?" Is it a theistic belief in Satan (which I find to be not that much better than Christianity)?

And you say that "such democratic (I think liberal would be a better word here, since I don't see much of a democracy in those views)views have destroyed BM." Actually, I think I'll make a request here: recommend me some "satanic and undestroyed" black metal.
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Kruel wrote:
The "Norsk Arysk" part wasn't to be taken literally, but whatever on that.

What do you consider to be "Satanic?" Is it a theistic belief in Satan (which I find to be not that much better than Christianity)?

And you say that "such democratic (I think liberal would be a better word here, since I don't see much of a democracy in those views)views have destroyed BM." Actually, I think I'll make a request here: recommend me some "satanic and undestroyed" black metal.


Satanic-Anti Human.
Yes liberal is better word but my english isnt so much rich.
Reccomendation-Check out the threat where I post names of some Russian satanic acts.

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