I don't think you're going to get much out of this forum about Behemoth other than bashing.

As for The Apostasy, I like the first 2-3 tracks then it all kind of blurs into a mash of nothing. Its not horrible, just not something I'd listen to again and again as a whole. I do come back to the first couple of tracks every so often though; I also still quite enjoy their other releases prior to this one to.


Anyone have good death metal recs that have lyrics that attack religion in a similar way to that done by Immolation?

Devourment is the answer. Any album will do really - total brutality on those CD's.

Any bands similar to newer material of The Chasm (2000-onwards)?

That would be problematic as hell. Their combination of classic death metal and ominous melodies is really something. I'm cluthching at straws here but try Demigod's "Slumber Of Sullen Eyes" maybe?

Right now Im really into Jazz Inspired Death Metal. These bands seem more of an original sound compared to other genres. Im looking for something along the lines of Atheist or Martyr? Any suggestions?

cynic.

I sincerely hope that isn't true. What have Behemoth done wrong? They play brutal blackened death metal, without a hint of mallcore or metalcore, and are about the farthest thing from emo or rap in the world. So why would the majority of people here bash Behemoth?

Because they're sellouts.

Which previous Behemoth albums are recommended?

How did Behemoth sellout? Because I can pick them up in Best Buy?

Themela.6 and yes.

I wouldn't buy their albums but for what its worth, Behemoth put on a damn good live show. I haven't seen them since they released the Apostacy but I am assuming they still have a tight and blistering live show.

I just downloaded God Dethroned's The Grand Grimoire and I really like it so far, might buy an original.
What other albums of theirs are worth getting and can anybody recommand me similair bands?

Who cares? They make damn good music.

Calling Behemoth sellouts is ridiculous. Im going to stick my neck out on a limb and say fuck you to anyone who is going to sit there and bash Behemoth. Their newer stuff isnt as good as the old but it is the farthest thing from selling out. Theres alot of bads who have done much more worse than them.

The black metal x-mas issue of revolver is where the acusations of them being sell-outs comes from (well it is too me at least, cant speak for others though)

Well, until Behemoth starts selling their music instead of playing it, I will maintain my position.

Actually I'm speaking about Grom being their sellout album (and an atrocious one at that).

One might also remember them playing at Ozzfest with all this mtv core crap.

I was considering buying Grom, i think i will avoid it now then. And i never knew about the ozzfest thing, but it sounds like it would have been appauling.

Well, if you see it being sold for 5 euros or less, I'd say go for that because of the artwork and "The Dark Forest", but other than that, AVOID. Better buy "And The Forests Dream Eternally", "Sventevith" or "Pandemonic Incantations" (which is a pretty good mixture of their old and new sound).

It goes back further than that, to the days of "Pandemonic Incantation", where some people felt that Behemoth had noticed how popular Emperor had become and so tried to adjust their music accordingly.

Heheh, now hang on .. I liked "Grom" (aside from a bit of dodgy vocal work here and there), but could see the point of the accusation with PI, which you, catachthonian, actually enjoy .. I don't think it's bad either, but my interest in the band basically ceases after this point. Anyway, I liked "Grom's" more old-school feel .. "Sventevith" is nice and everything, but I wouldnt' say there's an album out there quite like "Grom", with some of those thrashing riffs and a strange filthy bass tone .. yeah, I might almost say it's my favourite Behemoth work, though it's certainly nothing I'd bring to a desert island.

What exactly is wrong with Ozzfest? Yes there is a lot nu metal crap, but if someone would like to tell me what other big metal related fests there are in Texas, I'ld be glad to check them out.

Totally with Revbau on this (this is exactly the kind of reaction I predicted in my initial post).

And yes ZOMG they changed playing styles from one form of metal to another....TOTAL S3LL0UTS!1!!!!11!!1

Edit: Just repeating my request, any DM with lyrics that attack religion in a way that Immolation do?

man... i thought i new what DM was. then i get on this site and everyone is naming off bands that i've never even heard of. then their like, oh they sound like *insert other unknown band*. am i really out of the mix that fucking bad?

give me a few to start off with. I like Amon amarth, so basically anything that starts from there and branches off.


oh, and to be a little more descriptive, i like the tone, play style and lyrical style (almost all their songs are story-like). sorry if this is all kind of vague.

Well, you should start chronologically I think.

The early death metal movement of the 80's consisted of bands like Possessed, Death, Obituary and Morbid Angel. Following shortly after came Entombed, Dismember, Vader, Autopsy, Deicide, Immolation and Incantation. Brutal death metal took things to a further extreme, pioneered by a band called Suffocation.

Amon Amarth is melodic death metal, which is a style that is a bit of a mixed bag. AA is one of the few truly brilliant melodeath bands. You should try the debut albums from Arsis and At the Gates.

What would be the benefit of starting chronologically? It'ld be cool to do, but I find myself liking newer stuff that is produced better. I'm a bit of an audiophile


Then_he_said, I feel the same way. I've heard of maybe 2% of bands people recommend around here. I guess we've probably only heard of more mainstream bands?

i guess so. when i tihnk about it quickly im like "oh i know alot of DM bands". then i think hard and im like... uh... i know like 3. AA, and then a bunch of mainstream shit i dont like. the only other band i can think of thats DM that i enjoy is Dimmu Borgir, but i couldnt name one of their songs if my life depended on it (prgoenies of the great apocalypse) proved myself wrong there.

but yeah, thanks to the post above Deathwishes', ill look those guys up. keep going to anyone else that has some suggestions.

somone suggested Wulfgar. they arnt that bad either. maybe that will make it a lil less vague for you guys?

Then let me throw you some recommendations of really good produced death metal (some of these you may have heard of already):

Gorefest - La Muerte, Rise To Ruin (a bit of an old-school style to them, which works nicely)
Odious Mortem: Cryptic Implosion (tech-death madness)
Hour Of Penance - The Vile Conception (if you liked the new Origin, you'll like this, too)
Emeth - Telesis (don't let the supposed -core influences put you off...it's a killer album)

Plenty more where that came from, so if you want some more, let me know. These ones should get you started, though.

Recently I've been checking out the Swedish DM scene. I know and love bands like Grave, Entombed, Dismember, and alot more well known bands but can anyone recommend me some other, more obscure bands?

I'm also a big fan of old-skool thrashy death metal if that helps, and the bands don't need to be from Sweden.

Thanks.

Ouch, at least the Dimmu = black metal has SOME logic behind it.

Oh dear...

"Grom" (for the most part) just does nothing for me. It doesn't evoke any feelings or emotions. Just nothing, nothing at all. "And The Forests Dream Eternally" is much, much better, while being quite similar to "Grom". "Pandemonic Incantations" is a rather successful attempt at trying something new, but later albums only brought behemoth into generic blackened death metal bands' camp. It's basically "Hey, let's do what Morbid Angel (or Nile) did on their latest album!"

I like Grom, but it's sandwiched in between Behemoth's best two albums.

Dammit, Bezerko, stop making so many excellent posts, I don't fucking know what to sig!

I can't help it, I have the awesome gene.

What post in particular?

A bunch of posts yesterday, in this thread and several others.

I don't think your liking of newer bands has much to do with you being an audiophile. What sounds good to you is not necessarily what sounds good to some of us and as you'll see fromm another thread here, some just don't think that the current standards of production for "bigger" bands surpass the old .. quite the reverse, in fact.

The possible benefit of working chronologically is that you see how something grew and evolved. It's useful if you really want to make listening to and learning about death metal a long-term project, but otherwise, I wouldn't necessarily say it's the best way to discover new bands, either.

Have you heard Abhoth's demos? Pretty obscure, maybe, but I've been digging the hell out of this band. Very Swedish, but with a unique atmosphere .. some grind influence, but the music is really more centred around mood and riffs than being brutal. Lots of great melody .. check out the song "Darkness Greets" .. wow.

Pretty much right there, Abom. If you listen to it roughly chronologically, it gives you a good chance to examine the way the genre developed, and it exposes you to the classics.

I like the Nihilist demo ("87-89") better than anything Entombed did. Also, check out Gorefest's demos. For the more thrashy stuff, definitely check out Ripping Corpse, Pestilence, and early Sepultura.

is there any bands that play a genre of death/grind similar to Antigama?