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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:56 pm 
 

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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:09 am 
 

This album needs to be nuked. Derigin accidentally missed it dealing with my report.

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Snow Listener
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:11 pm 
 

This single should be nuked. When I submitted the band a year ago, they were just about to release the full-length album, and they wanted to promote it on bandcamp, so they uploaded one track. (They had more tracks on a few official Chinese websites at that time.) The bandcamp single was added by another user immediately after the band got accepted. The point is, the single was just for promo online, it's not intended to be a standalone release. Some time later, the band uploaded another track, also from the full-length. Since it wasn't a well-known band, the second "single" got overlooked.

This is not just for one single. The point is, promotional individual tracks from a full-length posted anywhere should not be counted as standalone releases. According to site Rules -> Valid albums only -> complete albums only, "Likewise, we DO NOT consider unfinished/unreleased recordings, samplers or label-only promotional albums to be valid in any context."

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:23 pm 
 

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:16 pm 
 

Let's discuss about Tricky Beans/Tricky Means and -hopefully- find a permanent solution for this dilemma.

"In 1996 Sonata Arctica was formed in the northern Finland city Kemi. Their first name was Tricky Beans. After some line-up changes in 1997, they changed their name to Tricky Means. In 1999 the band recorded the new demo “Full Moon” in the Tico Tico Studios in Kemi. (...) This new demo was the first survey for the band in heavy metal waters. Meanwhile Tricky Means changed the name to Sonata Arctica." (source: https://www.facebook.com/sonataarctica/about/)

That's a coincidence with the info available at Wikipedia (https://goo.gl/fFYqXM):

1996-1997 as Tricky Beans, playing Hard Rock (releasing three demos: "Friend 'til the End", "Agre Pamppers" and "PeaceMaker")
1997-1999 as Tricky Means, playing Metal (releasing the "FullMoon" demo)

A third, unnoficial source also shares the same information and includes the cover artwork of most demos: http://heavymetalrarities.com/forum/vie ... 49&t=11917

My suggestion:
• Correct the years to: 1996-1997 (as Tricky Beans), 1997-1999, 1999-present (as Sonata Arctica)
• Nuke the demos and keep "Fullmoon" only.
• Leave the additional notes as they are.
• Let's make a reminder for newbies: Do not add Tricky Beans demos.

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BlackFlag
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:53 am 
 

Less that 5 copies were made of these:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... ies/432996
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... Demo/82904
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/D ... ches/42955

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:46 am 
 

BlackFlag wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Death_SS/The_Horned_God_of_the_Witches/42955



This one appears to have been re-released on vinyl, according to the additional notes.
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BlackFlag
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:03 am 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
This one appears to have been re-released on vinyl, according to the additional notes.


I think that's a 2012 reissue of their 2004 compilation:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/D ... ches/47971

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:07 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ha ... iscography

I believe the bottom two releases should be removed or at least listed as splits. There's a distinction between Halford/Rob Halford, the band, and Rob Halford, the artist. Both the compilation and the boxed set feature material from Halford, Fight, and Two, and it makes no sense to have the material listed under Halford. The releases are meant to highlight the artist's career, not sell Fight's material as Halford's.

How are those releases any different from live albums where Rob sings, say, a Priest or a Fight song? Every which way. Whatever Rob performs live with Halford is a cover and it does belong on the band's page; however, material played by Fight doesn't belong on Halford's page.
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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 8:50 am 
 

Zephyra - Fånge i Frihet (single, 2019)
Zephyra - Dreams Denied (single, 2019)
Zephyra - Nothing Else Matters (single, 2019)

These entries all seem to be based on the official videos that the band uploaded to YouTube in support of the album on which the tracks are featured. Contrary to their 2017 single The Darkest Black I cannot find any cover art, download option, news update or 'merch & media section' that implies these three music videos should be considered as digitally released singles.
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 9:27 am 
 

Duisterling wrote:
Zephyra - Fånge i Frihet (single, 2019)
Zephyra - Dreams Denied (single, 2019)
Zephyra - Nothing Else Matters (single, 2019)

These entries all seem to be based on the official videos that the band uploaded to YouTube in support of the album on which the tracks are featured. Contrary to their 2017 single The Darkest Black I cannot find any cover art, download option, news update or 'merch & media section' that implies these three music videos should be considered as digitally released singles.

Nuked and warned
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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 9:34 am 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
Nuked and warned

Thank you.
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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:50 am 
 

Eridan - Вълшебен Свят (single, 2019)
Eridan - Грешна Душа (single, 2019)

Both entries seem to be based on the official videos that the band uploaded to YouTube as teasers for an upcoming album. The release dates in the entries correspond to the upload dates and there is no evidence anywhere on the band's pages/profiles that indicates there is an actual release that meets the MA guidelines. The 'cover art' that was uploaded for the second single is just a band photo that the band used for both video uploads (as can be verified here, the Eridan YouTube channel).

EDIT:

Found two more.

Brutal Thin - A Muerte (single, 2019)
Brutal Thin - Pata Negra (single, 2019)

Same story as before: official YouTube uploads of tracks taken from an upcoming album, but without cover art, entry on their Bandcamp as a downloadable release or anything of the kind. And as before, the release dates are merely the dates when the tracks were uploaded to YouTube by the band.
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metanix
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 1:44 pm 
 

Could I please have someone clean up my band's discography?
I added a lot of stuff when I was younger but we obviously never publicly released half of what's on here.
I really wish I could clean this up myself but if someone could do this, that'd be AMAZING!
Thank you :D

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Jugular/92918

**Please delete:**
Basement Demo 01 Demo 2006
Basement Demo 02 Demo 2006
Basement Demo 03 Demo 2006
Basement Demo 04 Demo 2006
Basement Demo 05 Demo 2006
Basement Demo 06 Demo 2006
Basement Demo 07 Demo 2006
Live at the Bradford Community Centre Demo 2006

**Please change this from an EP to a Demo:**
Metal for the Damned EP 2006

**Please delete:**
Live at The Reverb Demo 2007

**Please change this from an EP to a Demo:**
Metal for the Damned L.P Demo 2007

**Please change this from an EP to a Single:**
The Devil Incarnated EP 2009

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gasmask_colostomy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:56 am 
 

There's a problem with the discography of Stone Vengeance, whereby two separate album releases register as the same. However, the later version is also listed under "Other versions", which means it's been replicated somehow. There is also the same review for both albums. These are the links to the respective releases:

https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/S ... ance/95611
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/S ... Evil/95612

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:21 am 
 

That seems to be one of those cases where it's technically a re-release, but different enough to make it appear as a separate entry in the discography without loosing the connection between the two.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:49 am 
 

Concerning the new addition Medina Azahara:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Me ... 3540459768

I'm checking Discogs and eBay for scans so as to add album lineups. That's almost available for all singles, however, many singles are "promo" only singles. Should I flag those for deletion? Or should I go ahead and add the lineup?

E.g. (proper singles):
- https://www.discogs.com/Medina-Azahara- ... e/13516343
- https://www.discogs.com/Medina-Azahara- ... se/5080621

E.g. (promotional singles - edicion promocional: prohibida su vanta)
https://www.discogs.com/Medina-Azahara- ... e/11588567
https://www.discogs.com/Medina-Azahara- ... se/3798585
https://www.discogs.com/Medina-Azahara- ... e/11588493
Are these OK?
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NintenTheMetalhead
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:19 am 
 

I know this thread is old but there is something that I wanted to post about in regards to releases. This was touched upon a little bit with Disfiguring the Goddess but it extends beyond them.

There are quite a few bands on here from the MySpace era that have questionable "demos" and, to a lesser extent, "EPs." From what I have read, it seems that people would take a band's songs off of their MySpace, unofficially put them together, call it a demo, add a "cover" that's just a graphic from their MySpace page (or just a logo of the band), and put it up for download on sites like Blogspot. People would then proceed to add the "demo" onto MA. Seems like Disfiguring the Goddess is a known example of something similar to this, but it was referred to as a full length. It's the same idea though. Another example of this is the "Gallow Hill" "demo" by Abigail Williams. It was an unofficial compilation of songs from their MySpace. Fortunately the information was corrected a while ago.

It would seem obvious that they would need to be removed, but there are also cases of these "Blogspot" releases being based on a real demo with some altered/incorrect info. Research is necessary in order to clear those up.

Here's an example of one of these demos that I cleared up:
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As Blood Runs Black has 3 demos from before their debut. I took notice that the first demo, like the others, had the format listed as "unknown" and had some graphic that just seems like something that was on their MySpace. However, I saw that the track listing seemed to indicate that it could've been some official release, specifically since it had its own intro and a hidden song at the end, which usually indicates some specific release. I left it alone for a while.

In the past month, I've noticed that someone added a CD demo titled "2004 Final Cuts" to ABRB's page on Discogs. The guy who added it also previously ripped the demo from his CD that he owns and uploaded it. I compared his demo to an upload of the Blogspot demo, and they were almost exactly alike, with the only difference (besides quality) being that the intro was slightly different (the first part of the CD intro had a movie sample and the Blogspot one has some riffs. However, the 2nd part of each intro is the same). I decided to talk to the guy to get some information cleared up, like some track name differences. I also found on an archived version of the band's MySpace that there was a mention of this demo in the comments. I fixed the demo based on the info I got from the CD release.
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/A ... uts/128626
There's still some unknown info (for instance, why is the Blogspot intro slightly different from the CD's intro) but the info from the CD is the most accurate.


As stated in the spoiler, As Blood Runs Black also has 2 other demos that are questionable:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/A ... _II/150500
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/A ... III/151238 (this one is especially not convincing since the "cover" is legit just a band logo).

They also have a pre-production demo that I'm fairly certain was not intended as a full demo (from my research) but two separate MySpace "demo" songs. I'll file a report for that.

ABRB, Disfiguring the Goddess, and Abigail Williams are definitely not the only cases of this. Fortunately, many of these "demos" have been corrected, but there are still quite a few out there.

List of questionable releases (will be expanded):


Last edited by NintenTheMetalhead on Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:06 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Spider_X
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:04 am 
 

^I was one of those "MySpace" demo/ album contributors, back when I first got on with M-A (back in 2006). Mine are 100% legit, as I was back then in the Metal scene from the start; as how I am now with Fb, have a drove of friends in bands. Back then, I would ask whatever band to make sure with albums that I had personally added.

However, I am sure that alot of people didn't do this... ask bands, I mean. But, mentioning myself here, as I def was one of them. ;)
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NintenTheMetalhead
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:50 pm 
 

Ah, that's cool that you did that. But yeah, I'm hoping that more people will take notice of these unofficial Blogspot "demos" and try to get them removed.

I was actually going to make a separate thread on this topic but since it fits here I posted here just to be safe. I might, at some point, also make a list of bands in need of research with questionable "demos" that could be one of those unofficial Blogspot releases.

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Spider_X
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:35 pm 
 

That definitely sounds like a good idea! ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:07 am 
 

Reposting my report on the Ultime Assaut / Kontingent split which is, in my opinion, a bootleg release. My hunch is based on the completely incorrect speed the Kontingent 88 tracks play at. This discrepancy suggests that the release sourced its music directly from a vinyl copy of "Delivrance" and "Au service...". Kontingent's first album was officially reissued by White League Australia in 1995 but the release lacks any SID codes so it can't be compared with the split with Ultime Assaut.

Having never heard a proper vinyl rip of "Delivrance" (all copies floating around online appear to be sourced directly from this release), I have no idea what Ultime Assaut's proper speeds should sound like. The release's lack of label casts further doubt on this being official.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2021 12:29 pm 
 

Reposting my report on Kreuzfeuer here.
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