Miro Alhonniemi: the following 3 bands can be submitted with the information below -

OCEAN -
https://www.popsike.com/Private-Metal-H ... 78325.html (audio and photo)
(US - thought to be a band based in Los Angeles, California that originate from St. Louis (Missouri or Kansas - the city is in 2 different states)

BLACK MAGIC (Michigan, US) -
https://www.discogs.com/artist/6140771-Black-Magic-33
(include in the submission Attn: Azmodes has audio of this full EP)

SABOTAGE (Texas, US) -
https://www.discogs.com/release/1218290 ... -Would-You
A side: https://soundcloud.com/rick-michelena/hell-raiser-1
B side: https://soundcloud.com/rick-michelena/would-you-1

Don't "young man" me, mate, you aren't my dad. Being condescending and 80 years old will not make that demo sound any more metal. I tried to be as polite as possible about this outlandish statement, which is honestly hard because it's really "out there".

What it does sound like is Led Zeppelin which was a strong influence on Nau early on, those riffs almost sound lifted off their early albums. And there is a good reason Led Zeppelin isn't on Metal Archives. Or you think Led Zeppelin is metal too?

Also, what exactly "needs research" here? If it's metal, submit it and get it rightfully rejected, there is nothing to research here...

Brody (Japan)
Don't get them mixed up with this Japanese 'Brody' (Kobe, Hyogo Prefecture): https://brody1969.jimdofree.com/
They're a Sabbath/Motorhead type band who kicked off around 1994, I believe. Different line up entirely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LtCwWyJux0

I have the Groovy Heels S/T EP BTW. never submitted them as it sounds like pretty straightforward hard rock to me. Could have had a heavier sound earlier, of course.

Obyrne: Looks like this band changed their name to "Violent Tides" and nuked their bandcamp. Full EP is on YouTube though. Sounds borderline, leaning towards unacceptable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnNsUS_ ... Ya&index=3
https://www.facebook.com/ViolentTides

On this Day: Sounds like unacceptable metalcore.
https://soundcloud.com/onthisdaymetal/tracks
https://www.discogs.com/release/2238374 ... ox-Diaries

Oneiromancy: Thrash/Black metal. Will submit.
https://oneiromancy.bandcamp.com/album/oneiromancy-demo

Our place or yours: Progressive metalcore/post-hardcore on the unacceptable side (to me).
https://ourplaceoryours.bandcamp.com/album/ruins

Out Of The Ruins: Sounds like borderline, but acceptable melodic metalcore.
https://outoftheruins.bandcamp.com/album/reflections

Outlaw Renegades: Borderline Groove Metal/Core stuff. Reminds me of disturbed. Will meditate on this one.
https://music.apple.com/us/album/hellbo ... /630191751

Going forward, if the facebook link is dead and there's no VR whether from only Soundcloud, ReverbNation streaming or lack there of, I say the band should just be removed. It's safe to say a dead facebook means the band split up and tried to scrub it. I certainly try to use the dead url to find related links (YouTube, Bandcamp), and use the band and city as keywords, discogs. If nothing pops up, I make note of it. 'Giwakwa' for example has a dead facebook and a search turns up nothing. Of course, if the mods wish to air on the side of caution by all means keep them on the list. Or if they could do a scrub of their own before making that decision, that would be greatly appreciated.

Third Decäy - I bought the album, I should have it within the next couple weeks.

From the Ondes Chocs list:

West of Hell is already on here.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/We ... 3540346155

Vernon Howell - Hardcore/Metalcore - Seems too core driven.
https://vernonhowell.bandcamp.com/album ... -boil-demo

Vilipend - Sludge Metal/Hardcore - I actually have them submitted in the band queue currently.

Sumo Cyco - Rock Band - They can be removed.
https://sumocyco.bandcamp.com/album/ini ... al-edition

Strings of Ares - Misspelled on the website. They are already here.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... 3540320405

Snake River Redemption - is already on here
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sn ... 3540529785

Schizoid - More industrial/noise but the precursor to this band:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540450861
https://schizoid.bandcamp.com/album/covered-in-metal

Plaguebringer - misspelled on the website - they are on here
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pl ... 3540450579

Submitted all three, so they can be removed.

Both listings of Nihilist (UK) can be removed. They were added today, and both listings turned out to be the same band. Thanks.

840 Eroticism (Japan):
Someone has added a photo of a three song 93/94 demo tape for Eroticism, in addition to all their compilation appearances, to vk.gy here: https://vk.gy/releases/eroticism/52534/jakyousuuhai/
Acceptable proof of VR?

Needs research. - Infinite
Location: Japan (probably Hyogo Prefecture)
Listed Genre: Heavy Metal/Hard Rock
Band Members:
Michiko Hayashida/Makiyo Ikeda (Vocals)
Masakazu Ueno (Keyboards)
Kazumi Nishimori (Guitars)
Kazuhiko Hashimoto/N. Tachibana (Bass)
Nobuhiko Kakemoto (Drums)

Discography:
‘Die For Love/Doll’ (Billboard Records, Vinyl, 1985, 2 songs)
‘Infinite’ (Billboard Records, Vinyl, 1988, 2 songs)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/11949626-Infinite-31
https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/l1089432991

Redezra

- Valid digital release found. Posting in 'to-be-submitted'.

Here is a 2020 archive of CDBaby's inventory where bands can be looked for and missing information possibly gathered. These are both linked to the first post, but I don't think they've been checked out much.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200213155 ... tyle/metal

2017 archive of CDBaby's inventory:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170918205 ... tyle/metal

Why are you even bothering using the web archive? The site's been up again for months.

Was not aware. It's not a site that I frequent. Here's the latest list of CDs then, if it hasn't already been picked through for useful site information and unlisted bands:
https://www.localbandnetwork.com/cds/in ... TYPE=Metal

I already did research all the way to Amaranthyne. There's an older thread on this part of the forum. I stopped going through that stuff because it was rather unfruitful, but I might get back to it sometime.

I was mostly posting to let GodOfMalice know about it, as he's been doing great work in here with long lists like that.

Yeah, ixnay Outlaw Renegades. Too much on the rock side.

Planetate: "Experimental Djentcore". Got that right. Not acceptable.
https://planetate.bandcamp.com/album/se ... s9qmA4_3jI

Promonium Jesters: Industrial/Alt Rock with metal elements.
https://promoniumjesters.bandcamp.com/a ... -and-place
https://www.discogs.com/artist/194355-Promonium-Jesters

Providence NS: Dead facebook. I think the band's name is just 'Providence', and NS is meant to indicate where they hail from. Logo on their youtube backs this up. Tracked for an EP but I can't find it anywhere, or anything showing they even released it. Unrelated, but nice to see YouTube finally implementing their ridiculous, insipid anti-adblock policy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Raxkw9XnRJY&t=85s

Psychopathy: Renamed themselves to 'Necrosaurus Rex'. Some tracks on reverbnation available for download, but I don't think they put anything out under their former name. Will ask the facebook for clarification.
https://www.reverbnation.com/psychopathyofficial/songs

Psychotik Tantrum: Thrash/Crust/Grindcore. Sounds riffy to me, although I'm not familar with d-beat stuff.
https://psychotiktantrum.bandcamp.com/album/d-grind-ep

Putrid Brew: Hardcore
https://putridbrew.bandcamp.com/album/from-the-valley

Added. - Prophesy


Not metal - Stampede!


Needs research. - Virgin Child
Location: Texas, US
Genre: Heavy Metal/Hard Rock
Discography:
- S/T (1985)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/8908846-Virgin-Child

Needs research. - Röcken
Location: Canada
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Fort Langley / Peter, Peter (1985)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/7516926-R%C3%B6cken

Not metal - Shark

The drummer of Rocken was Kerry Kolodiazny: https://www.facebook.com/kerry.kolodiazny
W. Bradley was a songwriter for them, probably also a member.


Shark members on the site: https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Mil_Gagic/663238
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Pete_Zito/60706
If the link is still valid, 2 of their songs can be downloaded here to see if it's worth seeking out the cassette:
https://heavymetalrarities.com/forum/vi ... #gsc.tab=0

Prophesy can be submitted. Good find. Audio of both songs here:

- In queue.


Stampede - not worth pursuing, based on a song here from a follow-up to that 2-song tape, the "Go Wild" album (1989). Miles from legit metal, or even hard rock.
http://www.markusmetzger.com/sound/Stampede/Lyda.mp3

Just got the Wreckin' Machine tape. Will see if it’s metal and upload as necessary tomorrow.

Needs research. - One on One
Location: UK
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- One on One (1984)


I don't think the Liverpool band "One on One" would be acceptable in MA.

The band consisted (among others) of musicians known from Robespierre, Original Sin, Cloven Hoof. And there was Lords Of The Axis before One On One.

By the way, I wonder why everyone thinks that Pat Diamond and David Potter are the same "Water" in Cloven Hoof.

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/5c6465 ... e=sendgrid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXUaGbqzLLk

Regarding Shark (also mentioned by Miro Alhonniemi)

I think they are too soft to be put in MA. They can be removed.
(if necessary, I could digitize and send samples of their demo when I find some free time)

Checked that One on One song on YouTube and I agree with you. Same with Shark single from HMF, so no need for samples anymore.

Is that site trustworthy? Some more details about the tape would be nice.

This page states that Pat Diamond / David Potter is also Water from Cloven Hoof:
https://facebook.com/patdiamondmusic/

Is it not accurate, though? The 'about' section is taken from a Wikipedia article, but if there's wrong info I'm not sure why he'd use it. Would like to help to straighten out the facts if it's inaccurate the way it's listed. Thanks.

Listening to Wreckin’ Machine and it sounds metal albeit with more hard rock than expected. Dealing with dropped audio when ripping the tape so it’ll take longer than expected to upload.

They are from US and released two demo tapes, Pennance (1985) and We the Living (1986).

https://www.discogs.com/artist/7581011-Pennance

Submitted Wreckin' Machine with a link to the full demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqqkO8UQtU

On a similar note, I received 'Tabat Derjech – 'By Fraud I Have Seduced'' today on cassette. Not sure if I'll have time to get to it today. Will definitely rip and upload it before Tuesday.

Needs research. - Savage
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Street Wise / Childhood Sweetheart (1985)

Line-up:
Sal Fortugno - Drums
Dan Harris - Guitars
Brian Harris - Vocals
Robb Tompkins - Guitars
Biil Beehlor - Bass, Guitars

https://www.discogs.com/artist/1493578-Savage-15

Needs research. - Freewill
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Without Me / I Fought the Law (1985)

I Fought the Law originally written by Sonny Curtis.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/5167010-Freewill-7

Needs research. - Toxin
Location: New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Genre: Heavy Metal/Hard Rock
Discography:
- Lust at First Site / Lights Out (1985)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/10143010-Toxin-14

Needs research. - Almighty
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Be There / Ride to Heaven (1985)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/6820827-Almighty-16

Needs research. - Hiroshima
Location: Switzerland
Genre: Heavy Metal/Hard Rock
Discography:
- First Stroke / Running High (1985)

Line-up:
Ruedi Birchler - Bass, Vocals
Dani Bernhard - Drums, Vocals
Peter Eicher - Guitars
Beat Iselin - Guitars, Vocals
Max Ammann - Vocals

https://www.discogs.com/artist/397348-Hiroshima-4

Melodic rock - London Address


Rock - Jonah

I forgot to mention that the band is misspelled as ‘Black Out Hatred’ on the list. Should be removed.

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss this, that's why I sent you info about Pat Diamond/David Potter in a private message.
By the way, I added samples of songs by the band JONAH (definitely not metal) from Miro Alhonniemi's list.

Needs research. - SMITHEReenz
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- S/T (1985)

https://www.discogs.com/release/27323250-SMITHEReenz-ST

Tried submitting this earlier but it got rejected saying it need more samples on original songs. I contacted the band member and he offered to send the cd. After I told him I'm from Finland things got little problematic, since he said it would be easier if the receiver lived in US. So maybe someone here could acquire the cd and find out if it's acceptable.

Contact: [email protected]

Sent him a message!

Regarding Effigy (UK), noticed that a band by that name is listed as something that https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... field/4833 was part of. Will look into it more soon, whether or not it's the same band.

No Sweat (UK)
https://www.discogs.com/artist/4987435-No-Sweat-9
Member: https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... in/1010223
Other songwriting credit: Glyn James
Was put out on a US label, but a UK band.

Added. - Necromatory


Thanks.

Needs research. - Mean Streek
Location: Scotland, UK
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- I Need Your Love / On the Run (1986)

Line-up:
Alex Burrell - Bass
Mark Hutchison - Drums
Kevin Wilson - Guitars
Dave Scott - Guitars
Tony Mitchell - Vocals

https://www.discogs.com/artist/8889082-Mean-Streek

Needs research. - Great Guns
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- S/T (1986)

Line-up:
Kyle Harvey - Bass
David Dage - Drums, Vocals
David Brewton - Guitars, Vocals

https://www.discogs.com/artist/8691952-Great-Guns-4

Added. - Sweetcheater


Needs research. - De De Troit
Location: Hollywood, California, US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- S/T (1986)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/11807567-De-De-Troit-2

Needs research. - Cutthroat
Location: Berkeley, New Jersey, US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Lose Your Head! (1986)

Line-up:
Craig Abramson - Bass
Kevin Parker - Drums
Dave Peterson - Guitars
Chuck Spinner - Guitars, Vocals

Cutthroat from US seems to be blacklisted, but I doubt this is the same band.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/11761100-Cutthroat-23

Needs research. - Token Debt
Location: Alexandria, Indiana, US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Dear Lady / Free Born (1986)

Band members: Tim Williams, Chris Aynes, Scott Ballenger, Chris Haas, Russ Farr

https://www.discogs.com/artist/12568211-Token-Debt

Needs research. - Lucifer Mop
Location: Germany
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Smokin (1986)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/10374265-Lucifer-Mop

Needs research. - Medussa
Location: Philadelphia, US
Genre: Heavy Metal/Hard Rock
Discography:
- Get It Together (1986)

Line-up: (based on songwriting credits): Joseph Laster, Michael Laster, Jeffery Broomhead, Joyce Pellicott, Patrick Brady

https://www.discogs.com/artist/9672151-Medussa-8

Needs research. - Twin-Wire
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Looking for You /One Night Stand (1986)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/4342869-Twin-wire

Needs research. - Sweet Evil
Location: San Jose, California, US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- S/T (1986)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/8274444-Sweet-Evil

Needs research. - Zeus
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- She's Gonna Rock It / Tail Spin (1986)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/5539815-Zeus-43

More rock than metal - Screamer


Needs research. - Everyone's Daughter
Location: US
Genre: Heavy Metal
Discography:
- Take Me Home / Get to You (1986)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/6826874- ... s-Daughter

Needs research. - Janki
Location: Japan
Genre: Heavy Metal (described as 'thrashy metal punk' on Popsike entry)
Discography:
- Danger Dream (1986)

Line-up:
Yusuke Yoshikawa - Bass, Vocals
Keiichi Muthuma - Drums, Keyboards
Shoji Tanaka - Guitars, Vocals
Hidekathu Shibata - Vocals (lead)

https://www.popsike.com/JANKI-DANGER-DR ... 55118.html
https://www.discogs.com/artist/2349802-Janki

Needs research. - Illegal Motion
Location: New Haven, Connecticut, US
Genre: Heavy Metal (might be influenced by electronic music based on Discogs entry)
Discography:
- Don't Just Say Goodbye / Into Motion (1986)

Line-up:
Marc Forcinelli - Bass
Tom Quagliano - Drums, Percussion
Dave Esposito - Guitars
John Forcinelli - Keyboards, Vocals
Gina Furaro - Vocals

https://www.discogs.com/artist/3612720-Illegal-Motion-2