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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:53 am 
 

Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Report them and someone will remove the year. I'm guessing that this is about the other versions you added recently?

Yes. A few of them.
I'm gonna flag a report. :)

EDIT: Done.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:06 pm 
 

Lich Coldheart wrote:
Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Report them and someone will remove the year. I'm guessing that this is about the other versions you added recently?

Yes. A few of them.
I'm gonna flag a report. :)

EDIT: Done.

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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:10 pm 
 

Thanks a lot. :)
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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:03 am 
 

Why a fully re-recorded Darkspace demo is treated as another version rather than have its own page?
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:06 pm 
 

Looks like an oversight. Was added right after the "Versions" feature came out, so there were a lot of mistakes made early on before we had all of the details smoothed out.

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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:59 am 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Looks like an oversight. Was added right after the "Versions" feature came out, so there were a lot of mistakes made early on before we had all of the details smoothed out.

That means it's gonna be corrected, right? Should I flag a report?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:03 am 
 

I took care of it. The problem remains that some of the reviews might have been written for the 2012 recording and would need to be moved (which only webmasters can do).
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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:13 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
I took care of it.

Thank you. Two more things, though: The digital "Unknown" version is actually another version of the original 2002 demo (as displayed on Bandcamp) and I remember the re-recording was once listed as an EP rather than a demo, though I can't find any evidence of the band marketing it as an EP. Well, except Wikipedia, where it's stated the re-recording's an EP but without referencing any source... :scratch:

Edit:
This seems to be the only review that was written for the 2012 re-recording. The other three all describe the original 2002 demo with Nausika stating that the demo is "the appetiser for the truly mesmerising trio of albums that follow" and the last two blatantly stating they describe the "first demo" of the band.
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Thanks, moved.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:35 am 
 

I forgot the we can move reviews after all, so that's done now too.
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Lich Coldheart
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:38 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
I forgot the we can move reviews after all, so that's done now too.

Great. Everything seems to be fine now. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:27 pm 
 

There is a demo in the discography of the band Incredulous (links below) that has a new version recently re-released with new vocals over it. What sort of other version would I need to add to make the band's discography up to date? Would I have to add a whole new release altogether?

Incredulous --------->https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Incredulous/3540423870

Demo link ----------->https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Incredulous/The_Weight_of_Time/636693
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:49 pm 
 

If any performance is re-recorded, it gets its own unique discography entry.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:16 pm 
 

Should https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/N ... urse/11575 really have had its own entry, as there was no sign that it was released separately?
The reason why I ask is https://www.discogs.com/Napalm-Death-Th ... se/7551196 . Looks unofficial yes. If the 1988 was eligible, then it is easy: the 2015 is an "Other".
But if the 1988 was not a valid release by itself as of 2014 ... is it now? It has been released both separately and officially (but not sold separately officially although it is a physical separate disc with its own cover) - and what is then the "Other"?
I'd say that it is common sense to either delete it or leave the 1988 (not separate!) as the main release. But I don't decide.

Diamhea wrote:
If any performance is re-recorded, it gets its own unique discography entry.

"performance" meaning the entire album, as bonus tracks are just bonus tracks - but I guess also that re-recordings attached as bonus disc will not be enough for a separate discography entry?
Worse to handle are probably when release (X: LP) and release (Y: EP) have been sold separately, and then whether an (X&Y) is a compilation or the LP with a bonus disc. The above is a bit like that, except reverse chronology and the officialness ...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:17 pm 
 

This isn't really an "Other" versions-exclusive question, but many of the releases in question will be an "Other" (anyway, mods will split off to separate topic if needed).

How to tell whether a digital downloads version is "independent"/"self-released"? First it is a policy question, like: how much more than a hosting service must one be in order to be a "label". AFAIK, CD Baby can do "label work" for you, like distributing to other retailers (e.g. iTunes).
If I assume that CD Baby, Jamendo etc. are not "labels", I guess some knowledge about each provider will help to decide whether it is self-released:

* Bandcamp hosts both labels and bands, but often it is easy: Even if it is bandname.bandcamp.com, you will sometimes get to a label if you click "by <bandname>" below the album title, and that is sufficient to tell it is not self-released.
But: are there labels who routinely put up band sites that could appear to be self-released? I do not mean frauds, just that there might be labels who simply prefer a "Brought to you by the artist" appearance over "Brought to you by the label".
* CD Baby? Most are self-released versions? File as self-released unless there is evidence for a label?
* Jamendo? They require a Creative Commons license. Of course laws do vary across the world, but I guess the default assumption would be that if someone legitimately offers music as CC, then that "someone" would be the artist. (Besides, labels who deny that the artists own rights to their music would likely not want to do that sort of thing.)
* Archive.org: mostly as Jamendo, I guess, but there are some DIY labels that have moved into there. (Which raises a different question of when a "Label" becomes more than just an alias for self-releasing ... )

There are others as well, of course.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:06 am 
 

Could we update this list:
https://www.metal-archives.com/todo/duplicate-versions

to also include other versions that are very similar to other other versions? If the parent is a CD, the second version a vinyl and someone duplicates the vinyl while trying to edit the notes or something, it won't be shown there. I'd love to work my way through that.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:04 pm 
 

I'll ask here because I'm not sure where else to ask this.

https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... age/603990

Are we sure this release is official? The label didn't release anything other thing listed on M-A until the 80s, and I'm not sure but I believe Black Sabbath was not a well-known band back then in my country, which makes me think this release is either unofficial or has a wrong release date.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:43 pm 
 

Anyone want some easy points? The Plasmatics album WOW was recently reinstated (see here if you're interested in the details). I added two versions, but there are still multiple others to be added. Here's an archive of the old page and there's probably more that were never listed if you want to search for them. Lyrics also need to be added, though that will take some looking too. Lastly, there are a couple guest/session musicians (Mitch Weissman, Micki Free) that need to be added but their artist pages have to be recreated first.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:37 am 
 

I posted this on an independent thread but got no reply, perhaps because it wasn't the right place to post it:

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Greetings
I've come across three instances of the same issue, where a digital release has a release title (in digital platforms) different from its cover:

This Chepang live album:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/C ... ion/861712
https://chepang.bandcamp.com/album/live ... as-station
The release is called Live @ Rock & Roll Gas Station but then on the cover one can see Live at Rock & Roll Gas Station.

This Bound for Glory digital release:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... ory/861586
https://www.amazon.es/Warriors-Glory-Ex ... =8-1-fkmr0
The release is titled Warriors Glory but then on the cover you can clearly see an apostrophe.

This Fightback album:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/F ... uth/854146
https://www.amazon.es/Evil-Ways-Truth-E ... sic&sr=1-8
Officially called From Evil Ways to da Truth but with a "tha" instead of a "da" on the cover.

Two of these I added myself but I was left with this doubt. What prevails, the title of the release as shown on the digital plataform or what we can actually read on the cover? This is not on the Bandcamp guidelines and, anyway, this affects all digital releases, not just those on Bandcamp.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:44 pm 
 

Kennermahn wrote:
I posted this on an independent thread but got no reply, perhaps because it wasn't the right place to post it:

Quote:
Greetings
I've come across three instances of the same issue, where a digital release has a release title (in digital platforms) different from its cover:

This Chepang live album:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/C ... ion/861712
https://chepang.bandcamp.com/album/live ... as-station
The release is called Live @ Rock & Roll Gas Station but then on the cover one can see Live at Rock & Roll Gas Station.

This Bound for Glory digital release:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... ory/861586
https://www.amazon.es/Warriors-Glory-Ex ... =8-1-fkmr0
The release is titled Warriors Glory but then on the cover you can clearly see an apostrophe.

This Fightback album:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/F ... uth/854146
https://www.amazon.es/Evil-Ways-Truth-E ... sic&sr=1-8
Officially called From Evil Ways to da Truth but with a "tha" instead of a "da" on the cover.

Two of these I added myself but I was left with this doubt. What prevails, the title of the release as shown on the digital plataform or what we can actually read on the cover? This is not on the Bandcamp guidelines and, anyway, this affects all digital releases, not just those on Bandcamp.

Thanks


99% of the time it's best to just go with what's on the actual cover.

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Kennermahn
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:17 pm 
 

Nightsward wrote:
Kennermahn wrote:
I posted this on an independent thread but got no reply, perhaps because it wasn't the right place to post it:

Quote:
Greetings
I've come across three instances of the same issue, where a digital release has a release title (in digital platforms) different from its cover:

This Chepang live album:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/C ... ion/861712
https://chepang.bandcamp.com/album/live ... as-station
The release is called Live @ Rock & Roll Gas Station but then on the cover one can see Live at Rock & Roll Gas Station.

This Bound for Glory digital release:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... ory/861586
https://www.amazon.es/Warriors-Glory-Ex ... =8-1-fkmr0
The release is titled Warriors Glory but then on the cover you can clearly see an apostrophe.

This Fightback album:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/F ... uth/854146
https://www.amazon.es/Evil-Ways-Truth-E ... sic&sr=1-8
Officially called From Evil Ways to da Truth but with a "tha" instead of a "da" on the cover.

Two of these I added myself but I was left with this doubt. What prevails, the title of the release as shown on the digital plataform or what we can actually read on the cover? This is not on the Bandcamp guidelines and, anyway, this affects all digital releases, not just those on Bandcamp.

Thanks


99% of the time it's best to just go with what's on the actual cover.


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Kennermahn
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:18 am 
 

Hello
There's this band I added, Entröpiah, who released an early album titled Autodestrucción on CD, which is now available on their website for free. I've added this digital version because it features a slightly different cover art. The files you can download feature no title whatsoever and they're all named "Pista de audio ##" so in the version I've listed all tracks as - (what is recommended when there is no title). Did I do the right thing? Otherwise I'll add the titles.

This is the version in question:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/E ... B3n/875964

This is their website, where you can download this early album from:
http://www.entropiah.com/

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Kennermahn
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:23 am 
 

Kennermahn wrote:
Hello
There's this band I added, Entröpiah, who released an early album titled Autodestrucción on CD, which is now available on their website for free. I've added this digital version because it features a slightly different cover art. The files you can download feature no title whatsoever and they're all named "Pista de audio ##" so in the version I've listed all tracks as - (what is recommended when there is no title). Did I do the right thing? Otherwise I'll add the titles.

This is the version in question:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/E ... B3n/875964

This is their website, where you can download this early album from:
http://www.entropiah.com/

Thanks


Bumping this.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:16 pm 
 

Kennermahn wrote:
Kennermahn wrote:
Hello
There's this band I added, Entröpiah, who released an early album titled Autodestrucción on CD, which is now available on their website for free. I've added this digital version because it features a slightly different cover art. The files you can download feature no title whatsoever and they're all named "Pista de audio ##" so in the version I've listed all tracks as - (what is recommended when there is no title). Did I do the right thing? Otherwise I'll add the titles.

This is the version in question:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/E ... B3n/875964

This is their website, where you can download this early album from:
http://www.entropiah.com/

Thanks


Bumping this.

Just add the correct titles, that seems like a case of them forgetting to tag the songs rather than an artistic choice
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:47 pm 
 

Okay, I will do that, thanks

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I've previously filed two reports for this, so I will just post here. There were some technical problems with this https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/O ... nds/903887
KingSpooky successfully managed to merge a re-release with its parent entry. However, for some reason after merging it disappeared from the OctaThorn discography. When the band's album is released under another name it should appear in the discography of the band's other name as well, as we have with The Crown, The Stone, Legion of the Damned, etc. But here Ignis Fatuus one is visible in its discography while the version re-released under OctaThorn name can't be visible under OctaThorn discography. So it would be good if someone can make this version appear in the OctaThorn discography as well without detaching it from its parent entry released under Ignis Fatuus name. Sorry if I'm being a bother with this.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:31 pm 
 

Not a technical problem, spooky just forgot to enable the separate listing option that knights and above have.

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I would like to ask how to delete all the versions I created accidentally when my only purpose is to edit the mistake? Please can anyone edit this one?
Band Name: Comatose
Genre: Death Metal
Country: Philippines
Label: Malphas Productions Philippines Cebu
Album: ...Pure Evil and Blasphemy
Release Date: September 12, 2020
Format: Cassette

the right one is the (re-issue) I only want to delete the previous versions I accidentally created.
Thank you

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LlywiRipper wrote:
I would like to ask how to delete all the versions I created accidentally when my only purpose is to edit the mistake? Please can anyone edit this one?
Band Name: Comatose
Genre: Death Metal
Country: Philippines
Label: Malphas Productions Philippines Cebu
Album: ...Pure Evil and Blasphemy
Release Date: September 12, 2020
Format: Cassette

the right one is the (re-issue) I only want to delete the previous versions I accidentally created.
Thank you


Deleted all the duplicates, and, since it was a reissue, made the remaining tape an 'other version' of the original release.
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Kennermahn
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Hello
What do you think about my approach to this situation? The Bandcamp version of the latest Cara Neir album had a silence glitch and they corrected it on March 20. What I did is to add the Bandcamp version specifically (there was already a generic digital version) with the February 2 release date, but noting what I just told. I thought adding a third version for March 20 seemed a bit like an overkill.

https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/C ... Out/933732

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Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Why am I not able to delete songs on some versions I work on? Case in point http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/An ... -86/155610, when I added the second disc it obviously put in an empty track but I can't remove it :scratch: :crash: This has happened a few times now. though I can't remember on what else, it's just confusing since I'm a veteran.


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Having some trouble with adding a second vinyl disc to a release, then it leaves me with a "blank" track which I can't remove, giving me one extra track which there shouldn't be. How do you remove/delete this?


I've just ran into this same issue but couldn't find any answers to the issue.

In my case, it's this re-release which actually is a double LP: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/A ... ni/1015522

https://www.discogs.com/es/release/2212 ... De-Lusioni

When trying to edit it to add a second LP, it adds an empty track that I can't remove and therefore I can't save the fixed version.

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There's this alternative version of Kyuss's "Blues for the Red Sun" that I can't add because their discography is locked. I made a report of this a month but no one has answered.

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... /show/mine
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I would like to add "Bobby Liebling-Dave Sherman-Basement Chronicles" - "Night Owl" but unsure what to do. There's the original version under the "Bobby Liebling's Ram Family" moniker called "I Plead The Fifth" but this new version has a completely different band name, album title and cover. Seems wrong or strange to put it on the "Bobby Liebling's Ram Family" page, could confuse people and be very hard to find for anyone wanting to look it up. Any suggestions?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:36 pm 
 

As a Graveland fan for several years (dating since 2015), and still listing to his earliest albums such as "In the Glare of Burning Churches", I noticed that this album was originally a demo released in 1993 June. This album has been re-issued multiple times; the NC 009 issue is considered a full-length, as well as the remastered reissues that contains earlier demoes such as "Epilogue".

* The NC 009 issue, in 1996, contains eight tracks, and is listed as full-length.
* The DKCD208 issue, a recent 2021 reissue, contains the same eight tracks, but is listed as a demo.

I saw several interesting artifacts upon browsing the discography. The artwork of ItGoBC also varied considerably across the various versions; though some are consistently considered full-length while others are considered demos.

* Original (black with septagram): Demo
* Burning church on casette tape: Full-length for NCR releases, Demo for all others
* Stone church: Full length, by Darkland Records
* Red: Full length, by Warheart Records

A similar situation applies for Mayhem's Deathcrush album. It was originally a demo indexed #252 on MA, but was later reissued as an EP as FRANK 001 by Posercorpse and indexed #420739 on MA. Both versions are seen on The True Mayhem's main MA page; if the user clicks on the EP version, and then checks out "Other Versions", they will see that the EP version is not the original release, but is "another verions" of the listed demo version.

For Graveland's ItGoBC, only the demo (#1674) is listed on its main MA page. The NC 009 issue (#414899), the first issue considered "full-length" by the band, is not listed, even though the release is in a comparable situation to Deathcrush. There is also some confusion on which versions are considered demos, and which are considered full-length. What happens to the main page if someone adds another version of a given release, that is of a different type than the original?
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Kerrick
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 7:34 pm 
 

Hello, is it possible to have the CD version as the "original" version and digital as "other" for this per band request? Thanks!
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/R ... um/1125148

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:29 pm 
 

Kerrick wrote:
Hello, is it possible to have the CD version as the "original" version and digital as "other" for this per band request? Thanks!
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/R ... um/1125148

Sure.

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Kerrick
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:54 pm 
 

Thanks so much Kingspooky!

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