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HellBlazer
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:06 pm 
 

Well, the total length doesn't count the second side...

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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:28 pm 
 

Ah, shit - you're right. Duh, didn't bother adding up the track times to check. Well, works just fine then! :)
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Amoebic_D
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:45 pm 
 

Just wanted to let Diamhea know that he deleted a legit, unique version of http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Na ... mise/41692. It was an actual third pressing that has a unique catalog number, different colored artwork than the previous two pressings and the layout is totally different also. Just wondering why he would be so trigger happy in deleting it.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:02 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Yeah I don't see how that warrants clogging the additional notes. Plus an "mp3 CD" should still be listed as CD format. I would have added them to the tracklisting and saved the additional notes for the performance delineation alone.

so .... one additional disk with 102 tracks, right?

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Me ... lis/224351

sorry for not responding earlier.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:15 pm 
 

It is an extreme case, but I don't see why not. As I mentioned before, just be sure to break down the performances in the additional notes.

Amoebic: You can re-add it...err looks like you did already.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:10 am 
 

Speaking about clutering the additional notes:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Mo ... ibt/422877
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:37 am 
 

Diamhea wrote:
It is an extreme case, but I don't see why not. As I mentioned before, just be sure to break down the performances in the additional notes.

Yeah, no reason not to add it. One small thing, though, I've changed it from "other" to "CD" since that's what the medium is. The additional notes go into more detail.
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Snow Listener
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:47 pm 
 

It seems that nowadays, a lot of labels, when they release an album, they also put it simultaneously online, usually on bandcamp. (example 1, example 2) But in some sense, the label only releases it as a physical album, e.g. here, you see the words GHOST BATH (CN) - Funeral, Pest096 | 2014 | full-length | Digipak CD | LTD.500. This is the genuine release as CD. And down below, you have "Free Listen | Digital Download". Should there be two separate entries, one for CD, one for digital?

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Azmodes
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Snow Listener wrote:
It seems that nowadays, a lot of labels, when they release an album, they also put it simultaneously online, usually on bandcamp. (example 1, example 2) But in some sense, the label only releases it as a physical album, e.g. here, you see the words GHOST BATH (CN) - Funeral, Pest096 | 2014 | full-length | Digipak CD | LTD.500. This is the genuine release as CD. And down below, you have "Free Listen | Digital Download". Should there be two separate entries, one for CD, one for digital?

If the digital version is available on its own (i.e. it's not just a bonus when buying the CD), a separate entry should be added. That seems to be the case for the examples you posted, including Ghost Bath.
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Snow Listener
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:59 am 
 

Can we consider adding a "hand-numbered" checkbox next to the number of copies? (for easy search: hand numbered, handnumbered)
Also, there are some releases, which are limited, but the exact limitation is not disclosed. Should we also add a checkbox for this?

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CardOfDoom
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:41 pm 
 

Can releases of a live concert DVD that also includes a CD be merged now? (i.e. Kamelot's One Cold Winter's Night, released as both a CD and a DVD, has separate entries for both formats)

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:09 pm 
 

Will you guys be making it possible to add a reissue with an unknown release date sometime soon? I've got a fair few of them that I'm waiting to add to the database because the packaging doesn't indicate when exactly they were released.

Also, I need the mods' opinion on whether something would be worthy of an entry or not. Say an album was reissued and remastered. The first 50 copies sold include a bonus disc featuring the original master of the album, the rest only have the remastered version. The booklet, back cover, spine, etc. do not account for this change, and the two types of the reissue were released simultaneously. Do the 50 copies of the 2CD version warrant their own unique album version entry, or should something like that be noted in the additional notes?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:14 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Will you guys be making it possible to add a reissue with an unknown release date sometime soon? I've got a fair few of them that I'm waiting to add to the database because the packaging doesn't indicate when exactly they were released.

That's been brought up for (non-upcoming) releases in general, not just versions, as there are quite a few cases of when everything but the year is known. May or may not happen, it's up to the owners now. A number of mods (including myself) would be all for it.

MutantClannfear wrote:
Also, I need the mods' opinion on whether something would be worthy of an entry or not. Say an album was reissued and remastered. The first 50 copies sold include a bonus disc featuring the original master of the album, the rest only have the remastered version. The booklet, back cover, spine, etc. do not account for this change, and the two types of the reissue were released simultaneously. Do the 50 copies of the 2CD version warrant their own unique album version entry, or should something like that be noted in the additional notes?

Nah, one entry is enough. The notes are your friend.

CardOfDoom wrote:
Can releases of a live concert DVD that also includes a CD be merged now? (i.e. Kamelot's One Cold Winter's Night, released as both a CD and a DVD, has separate entries for both formats)

I'd say so, yes, but hold your horses for now. We're still trying to reach a consensus among the staff that can be codified.

Snow Listener wrote:
Can we consider adding a "hand-numbered" checkbox next to the number of copies? (for easy search: hand numbered, handnumbered)
Also, there are some releases, which are limited, but the exact limitation is not disclosed. Should we also add a checkbox for this?

I suspect these and maybe other checkboxes might be inevitable to ensure smooth operation in the future. Would be neat for sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:40 am 
 

aloof pointed this out for boxed sets that are multiple vinyls:

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Em ... 014/411456
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Rompestromper
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:28 am 
 

Since last album editting didn't go very well I am asking first here since I am not complete sure.
I have allegaeon's new album Elements of Infinite (http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Al ... ite/410121) and it has an extra cd included, namely their first promo cd (http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Al ... eon/208227).

Prove of it:
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It is metal blade number 3984-15330-0.
So basically for which album is this a different version, for the demo or the full album or ... ?

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TheStormIRide
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:56 am 
 

Rompestromper wrote:
Since last album editting didn't go very well I am asking first here since I am not complete sure.
I have allegaeon's new album Elements of Infinite (http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Al ... ite/410121) and it has an extra cd included, namely their first promo cd (http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Al ... eon/208227).

Prove of it:
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It is metal blade number 3984-15330-0.
So basically for which album is this a different version, for the demo or the full album or ... ?


This would be a separate version of Elements of the Infinite. The demo is an added bonus. If you're going to add a new version, do it under Elements of the Infinite.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 pm 
 

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:17 am 
 

Ok, thank you, I have added the Other version (http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Al ... ite/437594) I made an additional note that it is a re-issue of the 2008 EP, hope this is the way it is supposed to be.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:22 am 
 

More or less yeah, that is how I have been doing it. I generally put a note in the description as well. I modified yours to reflect this.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:22 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Un ... ore/346265
The side A does not display the title of the release.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:24 am 
 

Because the title was added for the tape itself, not the A-side. Corrected.
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Why am I not able to delete songs on some versions I work on? Case in point http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/An ... -86/155610, when I added the second disc it obviously put in an empty track but I can't remove it :scratch: :crash: This has happened a few times now. though I can't remember on what else, it's just confusing since I'm a veteran.
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:32 pm 
 

Strange, must be some sort of conflict of access. I removed it just fine, although that didn't really surprise me.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:48 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ov ... ins/430843
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ov ... ity/430846

Both are mereyl tracks uploaded on (at least) two websites.
Is this enough to warrant an entry?
Should it be specified where this track be accessed at right now?
(Spotify and iTunes in this case)
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oneyoudontknow wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Overflash/Manufactured_Strains/430843
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ov ... ity/430846

Both are mereyl tracks uploaded on (at least) two websites.
Is this enough to warrant an entry?
Should it be specified where this track be accessed at right now?
(Spotify and iTunes in this case)


Same release, different seller. Digital releases should have a single entry unless there's something like iTunes-exclusive bonus tracks.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:05 pm 
 

again, something that has probably come up before...

under "other versions", is it better to have a cover image over all versions, even if it's not the exact version one, or no image?

please clarify for two diff instances, (1) where the actual cover is a different artwork than the one displayed, and (2) where it's the same artwork, but in a different format (for.ex, CD vs. cassette)...

thanks :)
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I added another version of an EP and it didn't quite work how I intended. The original release had seven tracks but the rerelease has only three. I couldn't find a way to remove tracks so I deleted the names and times of the tracks that are not on the EP, thinking that they would be removed. They weren't. So now there are blank lines on the release. Could someone clean this up for me and tell me what I did wrong?

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Bl ... gel/439151

There's also a typo on one of the tracks. If someone could change mehcanical to mechanical that would be fantastic....

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:56 pm 
 

You should be able to do all of this before saving. Once you save, your access precludes you from re-editing many of the fields. So just be more careful and in the future, just flag a report.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:19 pm 
 

Thanks for fixing that. I figured that the tracks would just be removed by the system since they had no runtimes or titles. Clearly I was wrong. Like I said, there was the option "Add 1 track" but I couldn't find a "Remove 1 track" option. How would I do that if I needed to do so in the future?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:30 am 
 

it's the last icon on the right, that looks like a bin, that deletes a track (next to the lyrics icon)... it took me a while to figure that out myself, and I got my first "point whore" badge in the process :(
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:54 pm 
 

I had some discussions about deleting a cover art, summing up in the question "What is similarity concerning cover pics?".
Would like to hear opinions of other Mods and Knights - please check out this report.

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aloof wrote:
it's the last icon on the right, that looks like a bin, that deletes a track (next to the lyrics icon)... it took me a while to figure that out myself, and I got my first "point whore" badge in the process :(


Wow. I sure feel like a moron for missing that. Thanks!

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you're welcome :) makes two of us...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:10 am 
 

When adding media format for a boxed set (http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/De ... ons/332501), the last one was a VCD-R. I submited it as "Other" with a title. On the page it shows only "Component" (left pic).

When added as CD, with the same title, it is displayed ok (right pic).

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Also, shouldn't it made obvious in the Help/Rules about adding a new version that information on Discogs / MusikSammler / anywhereelseondainternet are not to be trusted blindly? I encountered a lot of copy/paste from Discogs pages with errors on them, mainly on Matrix codes and catalog IDs.
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What is VCD-R? *stares blankly* Do they mean a DVD-R? (I see it in the image description) Anyway, yeah this is a bug, it should still let you title the component even if you don't know the exact format.

As far as Discogs...we all pretty much agree that it shouldn't be taken at face value, and it helps to have your wits about you because as you said: there are some duplicates. Multiple people add the same pressing with this or that information missing or a catalog # entered incorrectly and it gets interpreted as a separate entry. They have nothing in place to really stop this. Maybe wouldn't hurt to add that, aye.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:38 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
What is VCD-R? *stares blankly* Do they mean a DVD-R?

No, actually it is a writable video-CD. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_CD. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVCD.
Both format were released before DVD, and were (still are?) widely available in Middle-East and Asia for distributing films - not always officially though.

Anyway, thanks for the answer.

Another question:
How do I add a repress for an album, released under the new name of the band (Eternal Death by Crown of Thorns was later re-released under the The Crown moniker)? Should it be added to the new band name or as a new press for the old band name, with additional notes?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:41 pm 
 

Add it as a version to the original and change the band name. That way it will show up as a separate listing on the newer entry.
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Azmodes wrote:
Add it as a version to the original and change the band name. That way it will show up as a separate listing on the newer entry.

Holy fuck! I had not noticed the editing button besides the band's name.
Even that case is handled :eek:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:03 pm 
 

In regards to the above:

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Qu ... BFche/1714

Can I add the original pressing as "The Mob" to the queensryche re-release and have it link to both pages?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:24 am 
 

Yes.

For some reason I forgot to do the EP when I did their discography. Go ahead.
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