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treewolf7
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:55 pm 
 

Subject explains it, there are a lot of bands which have a debut listed as being released a year or more before the band formed. The list of bands with the issue is here.

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A Scar for the Wicked
A Sickness Called Conscious
Abscission
Accursed Christ
Act of Rage
Adrift
Againwalker
Age of Shadows
Ages of Atrophy
Aifur
Aletheian
Alignak
Alioth
Allerjen
Altars of Rebellion
Ambasador Rous
Ambience of Souls
Anaphora
Angel
Animator
Another Victory
Anthropicide
Antylife
Aphrodite
Apokrypha
App-Ground
April
Aquarius
Arges
Ashcloud
Askehorde
Asparagoth
Autarchy
Awaiting the Rain
B.C:A.D.
Bactotavaiy
BadTrippe
Balkan
Baron Blade
Bastard Feast
Bavmorda
Beneath the Marrow
Berserkers
Best Friends Forever
Blackdamp
Blind Tempest
Bloodletter
Bloodpheasant
Bound by Blasphemy
Breakpoint Down
The Broken Circle
Buffalo Witch
Bunkerfall
Burden A.D.
Caecus
Calth
Cannibalingus
Cenizas
Cerebral Spasms
Chant of the Goddess
Consumned
Corpus Domini
Cosmic Nod
Countress
Coven of the Pestilent One
Crucifix Nailer
Curse's Insight
Cythrawl
Daemonlord
Dark Elf
David Readman
Dead Wretch
Deathraiser
Decadence Profound
Delirium
Demolition Faction
Denounced
Desiccate
Deva Noctua Entropia
Devil's Force
Devoid of Fate
Dimentianon
Diminishment
Divine Side
Dogma
Doomed Youth
Dove
Dragoria
Drephjard
Drunemeton
Dvne
Dyecrest
Ecliptic
Eisklingengewitter
Embodied Torment
Epidemia Mortaliis
Epidemy
Eternal Journey
Eternal Martyr
Eve Desire
Exhortation
Fallen Shall Rise
Fasylive
Fateful Finality
Father Moon
Feral
Fermentor
Fferyllt
Fistulas
Fogwhisper
Forodwaith
Frank Castle
Funeral Moonlight
Gassturm
Gates to the Abyss
Ghostmourn
Golgothan
Gorthaur
Grave of Shadows
The Graviators
Grimlair
Grimlot
Guerrero Eterno
Haborym Mastema
Hägran
Hakenkreuz Nocturna
Hammr
Hatred of Wolf
Hellhorse
Helvetestromb
Horns of Belial
Hostile Faith
Hysteria
Ignea
Imperium des Tenebras
In Aetherium
In Staid Grace
The Inbreds
Inertia
Infernal Stronghold
INRI Apostasia
Internal Evisceration
Inveigh
Invictor
Invocat Mortis
Iron Attack!
Iron Blade
Isaw
Iscariot
Ixpapalotl
Jelmaan
JobMatthijs
Juan Saurín
Kaarkema
Kalt
Karnax
Katatonic Despair
Kdaverium
Kilmara
Kon Hex
Kronoceptor
Kultrise
Labatut
Lacerater
Lachrima Corphus Dissolvens
Lammoth
Leshen
Lightning Wizards
Lord Themgoroth
Lover of Sin
Luciferian Insectus
Lugubre Cenacle
Luna Aeterna
Lunarsapian
M.F.C.
Mama Doom
Marc Rizzo
Mary Shaw
Meatshank
Merihim
Metalder
Mglamrak
Morior
Mortal Suffering
Mortalized
Mortified Saint
Nagtegaal
Narglblargloth
Natthammer
Nauar
Necro Strike
Necroabbot
Necrosplit
Negorgodon
Nekrotiis
Neurastenia
Nicolas Waldo
Nietzschean Reprisal
Night Mistress
Nita Strauss
Nocturn
NovaLotus
Nth
Nuclear Decay
Oak
Odisse Vos
Old Silver Key
Oldenwood
One Law for the Lion
Open Womb
Order of the Vulture
Ox vs. Thunderbird
Pantano
Past the Fall
Pcyst
Phosphorus
Point of Existence
Pray
Prophecy of Apocalypse
Pruinosus
PunaTerrori
RacheEngel
Raptor
Raven's Blut
Recrucifier
Regnat Infernum
RipTide
Roadwolf
Sabachthani
Sacred Slaughter
Sacrilegium
Samhayn
Sarcophaguts
Satani Infernalis
Screamhell
The Scum
Sea of Nectar
Sekoria
Self Mutilation
Sempiternal Sepulchrality
Septic Tank
Shacram
Shadow's Hell
Sheol
Shrine of Ammon
Sickmath
Sigfodur
Sintech
Skill to Kill
Skiller
Slaves of Death
Solerrain
Solitarrion
Southern Warfront
Spectre
SphereDemonis
Splattered Coroner
Stake of God
Streams
The Sunset
Survival Method
Symphony of Destruction
Tavion
Theatrum
They Yearn for What They Fear
Thorn
Thrashit
Threads
Thy Pain
To My Last Breath
Torch the Day
Torrential Downpour
Triple Cripple
Truewar
Tyranity
Unborn Salivate
Under Darkest Skies
Undertaker of the Damned
Unendlich
Vampiric Motives
Магистериум
Олег Мишин
Потерянный Век
Яр


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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:05 am 
 

The user above has been kind enough to compile this list for us. This is a task that requires some manual work, and any assistance with this is appreciated.

The bands above are ones where the "Formed In" date is given as after the date of albums listed in the discography. Normally, this would mean that the "Formed In" date is incorrect and should be removed or changed (if a source can be found confirming an actual, valid "Formed In" date). However, there may be circumstances where the "Formed In" date is correct, but the earlier release does not belong to that particular version of the band (ie. the band changed its name). In those cases, if the album is metal and it has a notably different name from the band it's on, a new band entry should be made. If the name change is insignificant, the album should remain, and the "Formed In" date adjusted to include the previous, insignificant name change. If in doubt, please feel free to ask questions in this thread, especially for those cases that may warrant a new band entry.

Once you've corrected any bands, please let us know so we can strike them out from the list in the OP.
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treewolf7
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:16 am 
 

Listed here are the bands who have a large difference between debut album release year and formation year.

[('Henych 666', -17.0),
('Levers', -12.0),
('Lunarsapian', -12.0),
('Oldenwood', -12.0),
('Яр', -12.0),
('Devoid of Fate', -9.0),
('Beware of the Dog', -8.0),
('Undertaker of the Damned', -8.0),
('Ashcloud', -7.0),
('Pcyst', -7.0),
('Tyranity', -7.0),
('Altars of Rebellion', -6.0),
('Juan Saurín', -6.0),
('Worms of the Birth', -6.0),
('Alioth', -5.0),
('Invictor', -5.0),
('Kultrise', -5.0),
('Turrigenous', -5.0),
('Yaguar', -5.0),
('Nocturn', -4.0),
('Sarcophaguts', -4.0),
('Shacram', -4.0),
('Soldiers of Scrape', -4.0),
('Vampiric Motives', -4.0),
('Anthropicide', -3.0),
('Baron Blade', -3.0),
('Deva Noctua Entropia', -3.0),
('Fasylive', -3.0),
('Forodwaith', -3.0),
('Infernal Stronghold', -3.0),
('Internal Evisceration', -3.0),
('Labatut', -3.0),
('Lightning Wizards', -3.0),
('Open Womb', -3.0),
('Pantano', -3.0),
('SphereDemonis', -3.0),
('Vomit Monster', -3.0)]

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Obscurum
Emperor of the Shadows

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:22 am 
 

Beware of the Dog can be removed. Unknown years, but had reformed in 2011. A user had incorrectly entered the information.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:27 am 
 

I've fixed Levers.

Here is an odd case that's going to need a bit of work. The album listed under Henych 666 is given as a collaboration between the solo projects of four different artists, when it seems more like it should be its own band entry with those artists in the members list for the band instead. It'll need to be checked as to whether it's metal and valid, but perhaps it belongs as a self-titled album under the band name, Zemětřesení.
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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:44 am 
 

Fixed Vomitchapel, Soldiers of Scrape and Zvrëöprëh.
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NintenTheMetalhead
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:14 am 
 

Regarding A Scar For the Wicked: I've found a 2011 archived version of their ReverbNation page which shows that they definitely formed before 2012: http://web.archive.org/web/201110110810 ... rthewicked
This is also confirmed by the fact that their YouTube channel was formed in 2011: https://youtube.com/user/ASSFTW

However, I'm not sure if this is enough evidence to conclude that they formed in 2011. It's definitely enough evidence to conclude that they formed before 2012, however. I changed the formation date to "N/A" but because I can't make the years active section "N/A," I'm setting it as "2011-present" for now until it can be corrected in some way.

EDIT: I did find this: https://www.distrolution.com/bands/a-sc ... he-wicked/
It states that the band was formed in 2010. I'm unfamiliar with the site, but it seems like it's one of those sites used to promote bands. However, it also has an edit function which implies that it could function as a wiki, making the info not as reliable. I'm not sure.


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Drinkenstein
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:57 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
Here is an odd case that's going to need a bit of work. The album listed under Henych 666 is given as a collaboration between the solo projects of four different artists, when it seems more like it should be its own band entry with those artists in the members list for the band instead. It'll need to be checked as to whether it's metal and valid, but perhaps it belongs as a self-titled album under the band name, Zemětřesení.


I was looking into this one as well. Thought pretty much the same thing. I looked at scans of the album on discogs and it seems that this Vlastimil Henych fellow was just credited as a person, and not the band "Henych 666". According to Henych 666's website, Vlastimil had a band simply called 666 that released a demo in the early 80s, so I can see where the confusion may have been. That band and demo are already on the site though. I couldn't find a definitive year of formation for the Henych 666 project, but the one that is listed seems to align itself with the existence of online material related to that band.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:55 am 
 

Zemětřesení has nothing to do with the Henych 666 band. It ws a project, a band pust together form metal musician, which were declared the best in their respecitve categories in a poll by a meal fanzine. The goal of the project was to records songs of the famous Czech hard rock singer Jiří Schelinger, which wer intnede to appear on his 1980 The album was planned , but neer released due to his tragic death. So this album consists entirely of Jiří Chelinger songs and is in fact a tribute/cover project. The nreleased album was supposed to be called Zemětřesení and that's where the band got its name from.
https://bandzone.cz/zemetreseni

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:04 pm 
 

Henych 666 fixed. Thank you for the help, guys.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:14 pm 
 

The following are also fixed now:
Vermiis Prioratum
Virtigo
Vision Scope
Voidchrist
Vomit Monster
W.M.D.
White Funeral
Whorethorn
Wintersad
Wither
Woden
Yaguar
Zerzyan Loathe
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NintenTheMetalhead
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:39 pm 
 

Shouldn't A Scar For the Wicked be crossed off too since it was discovered that they formed before 2012? Or are we to wait until we figure out the exact formation year?

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 6:46 pm 
 

The whole list is complete except for the band Kultrise, which already has a report in for it and I'm not sure what to do with. Thanks, this list was very helpful and led to a lot of issues that needed to be cleaned up. If it's not too difficult to do, feel free to run the same report again just to be sure that all of the issues are taken care of and that there aren't any new ones. I can help clean up any issues that are found.

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