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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:56 pm 
 

Want some mind-numbing work to fix a minor part of band pages? Then this is the place to be!

The "Location" field is probably one of those areas of the site that has been neglected, as far as clean-ups go, because it is such a minor part of the site. Nevertheless, it doesn't hurt to clean it up, if for the sake of being a bit more consistent, organized, and aesthetically pleasing. This thread exists as a task force for doing so. Our plan is to clean up existing locations to be more consistent with our standards (given below), as well as do research to add locations where locations are currently unknown or unavailable. The same is true for figuring out the countries of artists and labels.

When it comes to countries, our policy is to follow the country names as given for the 'English short name' of the International Organization for Standardization (ISO 3166). That list can be found here (choose "Country codes" and click the magnifying glass symbol). It also provides the appropriate two letter and three letter versions, too, in case those are ever needed. Whenever there is a disagreement over whether something is a country or not, or how to write out a country's name, please consider this source as paramount.

When it comes to locations, our policy is to include the city as well as the (most top/first level administrative or cultural/historical) region/province/state within the country, if applicable (ex. region/province/state/oblast/republic/etc.). Both should be written out fully (ex. Las Vegas, Nevada). For the sake of consistency, and because we're an English encyclopedia, locations must be in their official form as recognized by the English speaking world. Our preference is that the English version of Google Maps be used, as much as reasonably possible, as the source for locations. Whenever there is doubt, or contradictory information, use your discretion and go with the most widely-cited English version (which is usually Google Maps, but may not always be) and/or the official version, whichever you feel is more suitable. Just know that in English there may be both an official short name and a long name for locations, and the short name may be the better solution to keep the field simple and concise.

If your default for Google Maps is not set for English, there's multiple ways to access the English version. If you have a Google account, you can go to Google Maps, choose "Menu" and then "Language" and set it to English. If you do not have a Google account, there are two ways to do this that do not require logging in: (1) Go to google.com/ncr. This will set a cookie in your browser saying that you want to view the English version of Google Maps. This will apply to all google services such as Google Maps until you clear cookies; (2) Alternatively, you can also just append ?hl=en to the end of the URL (ex. maps.google.com?hl=en).

Why Google Maps? We feel it's probably the most universal source where you can find relatively wide-known English versions of place names, even for small cities in the middle of nowhere. We know it's not totally perfect, especially for inner city districts, but generally for city and region names it can be very reliable. And, the nice thing is that many of the countries covered have their region names included, too (though, not always, so always double check!), and this is a source that is easy to navigate.

How to properly format the location field is up to debate, but a general rule of thumb may be the following:

If the band was only ever in one known location in a single country
City Name, Region Name
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony)

If the band has members in multiple locations in a single country and in the same region
City Name/City Name, Region Name
(eg. Soltau/Walsrode, Lower Saxony)

If the band has changed location in a single country, while staying in the same region
City Name (early)/City Name (later), Region Name
(eg. Soltau (early)/Walsrode (later), Lower Saxony)

If the band has members in multiple locations in a single country, but in different regions
City Name, Region Name / City Name, Region Name
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony / Beelitz, Brandenburg)

If the band has changed location in a single country, without staying in the same region
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name (later)
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony (early); Beelitz, Brandenburg (later))

If the band is International and/or has members in multiple countries
City Name, Region Name, Country / City Name, Region Name, Country
(eg. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada / Los Angeles, California, United States)

If the band has changed location, and all its members now reside in another country
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name, Country (later)
(eg. Ottawa, Ontario (early); Helsinki, Uusimaa, Finland (later))

IMPORTANT NOTES:

1. Country of Origin. The "Country of Origin" field does not change; that is ALWAYS the country where the band was originally formed. If, for whatever reason, there are multiple countries involved in the location, it is redundant to include the country name in the "Location" field if it already exists in the "Country of Origin" field.

2. Character Limit. In the event you reach the character limit for the field, it is acceptable to abbreviate the region and country names to their two letter versions in order to make it all fit. Start by abbreviating the country name, and then the region if necessary. That said, reach out to us about this anyway, as we may be able to increase the limit, or at least look into it.

3. Accents/Characters. Place names should have their appropriate accents/characters as ideally noted on the English version of Google Maps. Countries should be written as given in the ISO 3166 link above. There may be some exceptions to this (for instance, with Montréal instead of Montreal, or with United States instead of United States of America). Generally, though, try to stick with how it's written on Google Maps/ISO 3166.

4. Temporal Markers. When denoting a change in location, (early) (mid) (later) are preferred. Contact us in this thread if there's any oddities with this (ie. a band that changed locations a dozen times). We may have to make an exception to these general rules to accommodate such weird situations. It is also perfectly OK to use (early/later) and (mid) in cases where a band leaves a location and then comes back to it at a later time.

5. Top/First Level Regions. Try to avoid over-doing it when it comes to region names. The region name should ideally be the most top/first level name, and that's it. It's not necessary or preferred to include counties/districts/departments within regions. We DO NOT want the following: Chicago, Cook County, Illinois. Just stick with the most top-level region/province/state/oblast/republic/etc. region name that is appropriate for the country. Likewise, it is also not desired to utilize sub-city districts/regions, either. Keep it relatively simple and concise.

6. No City Name. There is ONE exception to #5. In the event that there is no known city name for a band, and you cannot find it despite exhausting all efforts to do so, it is acceptable to keep going a level up in administrative or cultural divisions for the location until you have an accurate, verifiable location. In other words, if the band doesn't specify a city, but you know it's in Cook County, it's OK to use Cook County, Illinois as the location name. The same is true if you only know they exist in a region, like in Illinois, it's also OK to leave it as "Illinois" for the location. In an ideal world, however, we would have city names for all bands on MA.

7. City States. When the region has the exact same name as the city AND if the city itself makes up the vast majority of the region (ex. Berlin, Hamburg, Vienna, etc.), it's redundant to include the region name. So in these cases, just sticking with the city name is fine. If the region includes other cities and/or covers a large area, include the region name in the location field for all cities in that region, even if there's a city that shares the exact same name.

8. ... at Somewhere Locations. One thing that has popped up, especially for places in Germany and Austria, is the inclusion of 'at Somewhere' bits to locations (ex. Frankfurt am Main, Klagenfurt am Wörthersee). In the English speaking world it is common for well-known and larger cities to lose their 'at Somewhere' bits in the English version of the name, while smaller and less-known cities retain them. That's not always the case, but helps to explain why in English sources the 'at Somewhere' bits are sometimes there and sometimes not.

9. Historical Locations. On occasion, you may run into a band that has a location which no longer exists, either because their country no longer exists (ex. Yugoslavia), or because the city has merged with another (ex. East Berlin), or because the city/region/country name has changed. In these cases, we aim to stick with the current name of the successor (ex. Zagreb, Croatia not Yugoslavia, Berlin not East Berlin). That said, it may be relevant and even notable and interesting to include such information in the additional notes for the band/artist/label, especially if they were, say, one of the few bands from East Berlin, or the person was born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, for instance. Use your discretion.

If you are interested in helping out with this, and you have the ability to edit the location field, please let me know which country you would like to work on in the list below and you will be assigned it. You will only be given a max of two countries at a time. Some countries are obviously much more work than others, so carefully choose which ones you want to focus on. If it turns out you've done nothing with the country, it may be assigned to someone else, or you can choose to drop the assignment yourself. If there is no location for a band, and you cannot find it, just skip it for now.

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Afghanistan
Åland Islands
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Aruba
Austria
Bahrain
Barbados
Belize
Botswana
Cambodia
Curaçao
Ethiopia
French Polynesia
Gibraltar
Greenland
Guam
Guyana
Isle of Man
Jamaica
Jersey
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kyrgyzstan
Libya
Liechtenstein
Madagascar
Maldives
Mauritius
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Caledonia
Oman
Reunion
San Marino
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Uzbekistan


Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bangladesh
Belarus (assigned to KJ)
Belgium (assigned to Antioch)
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Canada (assigned to Derigin)
Chile
China *
Colombia
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czechia (assigned Antioch)
Denmark
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Estonia
Faroe Islands
Finland (assigned to Derigin)
France
Georgia
Germany (assigned to PaganiusI)
Greece
Guatemala
Guernsey
Honduras
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
International
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy (assigned to Derigin)
Japan
Jordan
Korea, South
Kuwait
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon (assigned to Antioch)
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Malta
Mexico (assigned to OpsiusCato)
Nepal
Netherlands (assigned to Antioch)
New Zealand
Nicaragua
North Macedonia
Norway
Pakistan
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal (assigned to MasterOfSin)
Puerto Rico
Qatar
Romania
Russia (assigned to KJ)
Serbia
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sri Lanka
Suriname
Svalbard
Sweden
Switzerland (assigned to Azmodes)
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Venezuela
Vietnam
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:09 pm 
 

Is there a minimum for distance and time to avoid clutter? Like moving Yonkers/NYC as an example for the former, dunno if suburbs constitute a noteworthy location change, and band living only for 6 months in one location as an example for the latter even if maybe something was recorded during those 6 months I dunno if that's not maybe too much.

Also since you used German examples, for city states is something like "Bremen, Bremen", "Berlin, Berlin", "Hamburg, Hamburg" actually necessary? I guess to keep the system consistent.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:19 pm 
 

I would suggest using your discretion in those cases, especially when considering how significant a location change was for the band, and how notable it would be to include that information on the band page.

Generally, as a rule of thumb in the cases you gave, changing suburbs within the same proximate location in a metropolitan area is probably not a noteworthy location change. And I'd suggest, however possible and whenever known, that noting locations where a band and its members have resided for longer than a year is preferred over shorter periods of time. This isn't a steadfast rule by any means. Perhaps in cases that are truly questionable or odd, it's best for us to discuss them here when they come up. But the ideal is to streamline the field and keep it concise and organized, while retaining its accuracy.

EDIT: Added a note about city states.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:24 pm 
 

Sorry for the late edit while you responded, I actually thought about it considering the pages of Black Tribe and Alpha Drone and I always kept it as "Oldenburg, Lower Saxony" exactly because I never knew what would be relevant enough to add and what would just be unnecessary clutter. Alpha Drone was actually formed in Bremen (Bremen) and the demo and part of the album recorded there as was one Black Tribe demo, lived there for a year, thinking about it now it could be worth adding. However, why I asked, before I moved to Bremen, I lived eight months in a village near Oldenburg and recorded two or three stray songs there and yeah I wanted to ask to be sure, but that's definitely completely unnecessary information.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:28 pm 
 

It's entirely up to you in that case, since you are the person behind the projects and know them best, but I guess as with our policy towards all information on MA, it should be information that is publicly known about the band. Since you are behind both projects, if you want to include past locations you feel are noteworthy, by all means please do so. If you don't, and they were never publicly known and/or aren't really noteworthy in your eyes, then it's best not to include them. I don't know if that makes sense, or is a sensible approach, but there's no fixed rule here I'm afraid.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:52 am 
 

Added a point about 'at Somewhere' places, as well as clarified the bit about location policy by adding the following: "Whenever there is doubt, or contradictory information, use your discretion and go with the most widely-cited English version (which is usually Google Maps, but may not always be) and/or the official version, whichever you feel is more suitable. Just know that in English there may be both an official short name and a long name for locations, and the short name may be the better solution to keep the field simple and concise."
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:24 am 
 

Hi,
i remember two years ago i made this for Portuguese bands, i gonna update this field.
Just one thing in the cases were the city has the same name of
the region or province, for example if a band is from Lisbon the structure should be City / Municipalities / District
so the field must have Lisbon / Lisbon / Lisbon, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:31 am 
 

When it comes to regions, just choose the most top/first level one that's relevant. In Portugal, it seems that may be the country's 18 districts + the autonomous regions of Azores and Madeira? So it would be City Name / District in this case.

If the city name is the exact same as the region, you can just omit the region in that case as it would be redundant. So it'd just be one instance of Lisbon there.

I'll add you on the list as the guy working on Portugal, MoS. :)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:17 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
When it comes to regions, just choose the most top/first level one that's relevant. In Portugal, it seems that may be the country's 18 districts + the autonomous regions of Azores and Madeira? So it would be City Name / District in this case.

If the city name is the exact same as the region, you can just omit the region in that case as it would be redundant. So it'd just be one instance of Lisbon there.

I'll add you on the list as the guy working on Portugal, MoS. :)


Ok, i understand.
No problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:50 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Want some mind-numbing work to fix a minor part of band pages? Then this is the place to be!

If the band has changed location in a single country, without staying in the same region
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name (later)
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony (early); Beelitz, Brandenburg (later))

If the band has changed location, and all its members now reside in another country
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name, Country (later)
(eg. Ottawa, Ontario (early); Helsinki, Uusimaa, Finland (later))


Is it imperative to use a semicolon instead of a comma here? Dia asked a few users in the past to clean up location fields with (early)/(later) and we did thousands of them, but we always used a comma to separate the early/later parts. The genre field he did himself, also using a comma to separate the phases. My question is if those are really in need of changing or we can just stick to the comma.

I'm interested in adding regions to Czech bands (as I've been meaning to do so for a while) if that's ok.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:42 pm 
 

We've decided on the semi-colon instead of the comma. May as well try to stick with a single way of formatting. I'm sorry if there was confusion in the past. Moving forward, let this thread be your guide.

As for Czechia bands, I think KJ has taken assignment of that. You should reach out to him.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:31 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
We've decided on the semi-colon instead of the comma. May as well try to stick with a single way of formatting. I'm sorry if there was confusion in the past. Moving forward, let this thread be your guide.

Noted.

Derigin wrote:
As for Czechia bands, I think KJ has taken assignment of that. You should reach out to him.

No need to reassign. You'll do a better job anyway, KJ. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:47 am 
 

I can see the list in the spoiler now, haha. :durr:

Derigin wrote:
If the city name is the exact same as the region, you can just omit the region in that case as it would be redundant. So it'd just be one instance of Lisbon there.


Thinking aloud here if I may:
- Should we use the same logic for these for example, Derigin?
https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... ame=#bands
Or is the current practice the way to go?

- Syria for example is divided into 14 governorates and all the bands on here come from the major cities in those governorates, i.e. the cities after which the governorate is named. I take it it's redundant to add the name of the governorate as well, as is the case with Portugal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorates_of_Syria
Correct?

Artist page (Syria):
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... mad/668986
In this case I'll go with Baniyas instead of Banias and add the governorate Tartus. Correct?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baniy ... AHoECAkQAQ

- Following up on my earlier questions:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Laxsid/3540365243
About the semicolon:
This should appear as such: Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)
Correct?
Or, depending on the answer to the question above, as:
Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)

- This leads me to my final question.
What if a band has "Rio de Janeiro" on their Facebook but they don't actually mean the city; they mean the state? So, basically they come from different cities in the state of Rio de Janeiro (probably including the city of Rio) but they make only the state known. Do we then go by: "State of Rio de Janeiro" or keep it as "Rio de Janeiro".
1. If your answer is "Go with (State of Rio de Janeiro)", I have no further questions.
2. If your answer is "Go with (Rio de Janeiro)", a situation may arise where someone sees it and thinks "Oh, let's add the state here" assuming it's the city; thus, having "Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro" as the end result, which is false information because they come from the state and not the city. And in hindsight, has this not been done already?
A similar situation I've discussed with KJ a while back about Dutch bands coming from either Utrecht (Utrecht Province) and Groningen (Groningen Province). So he might already have answers here.

Thank you.

Edit:
One last question.
Concerning Lebanon. Lebanon is divided into districts which in turn belong to governorates.
In the case of Zouk Mosbeh for example, which is the way to go?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zouk_Mosbeh
Location1: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane District, Mount Lebanon Governorate
Location2: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane, Mount Lebanon Governorate
And (Tripoli), which is the correct way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli,_Lebanon
Location1: Tripoli, Tripoli District, North Governorate
Location2: Tripoli, Tripoli, North Governorate
Location3: Tripoli, North Governorate (thus omitting the district as it has the same name)

I'm asking too many questions, aren't I?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:07 am 
 

Feel free to join me on Czechia, Antioch! I've started from the beginning of the list sorted by location.

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Will pm you shortly, KJ. Cheers.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:09 am 
 

Antioch wrote:
- Should we use the same logic for these for example, Derigin?
https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... ame=#bands
Or is the current practice the way to go?

See below.

Antioch wrote:
Syria for example is divided into 14 governorates and all the bands on here come from the major cities in those governorates, i.e. the cities after which the governorate is named. I take it it's redundant to add the name of the governorate as well, as is the case with Portugal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorates_of_Syria
Correct?

See below.

Antioch wrote:
Artist page (Syria):
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... mad/668986
In this case I'll go with Baniyas instead of Banias and add the governorate Tartus. Correct?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baniy ... AHoECAkQAQ

Yes.

Antioch wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Laxsid/3540365243
About the semicolon:
This should appear as such: Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)
Correct?
Or, depending on the answer to the question above, as:
Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)

The latter, though ensure that all applicable regions are included for all locations.

Antioch wrote:
- This leads me to my final question.
What if a band has "Rio de Janeiro" on their Facebook but they don't actually mean the city; they mean the state? So, basically they come from different cities in the state of Rio de Janeiro (probably including the city of Rio) but they make only the state known. Do we then go by: "State of Rio de Janeiro" or keep it as "Rio de Janeiro".
1. If your answer is "Go with (State of Rio de Janeiro)", I have no further questions.
2. If your answer is "Go with (Rio de Janeiro)", a situation may arise where someone sees it and thinks "Oh, let's add the state here" assuming it's the city; thus, having "Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro" as the end result, which is false information because they come from the state and not the city. And in hindsight, has this not been done already?
A similar situation I've discussed with KJ a while back about Dutch bands coming from either Utrecht (Utrecht Province) and Groningen (Groningen Province). So he might already have answers here.

#1 is fine. If it helps with clarity, then noting that it's the region you're referring to and not the city in the location is perfectly acceptable and probably preferable.

Antioch wrote:
One last question.
Concerning Lebanon. Lebanon is divided into districts which in turn belong to governorates.
In the case of Zouk Mosbeh for example, which is the way to go?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zouk_Mosbeh
Location1: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane District, Mount Lebanon Governorate
Location2: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane, Mount Lebanon Governorate
And (Tripoli), which is the correct way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli,_Lebanon
Location1: Tripoli, Tripoli District, North Governorate
Location2: Tripoli, Tripoli, North Governorate
Location3: Tripoli, North Governorate (thus omitting the district as it has the same name)

Use the most top or first level region name. So in this case the districts would be omitted because they are second level region names, and thus the governorates would be used.
ex. Zouk Mosbeh, Mount Lebanon
ex. Tripoli, North

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I'm asking too many questions, aren't I?

Nah, this is always welcome. It's why this thread is here. Questions and discussion.
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I dunno if there's an official rule for it, but I always hear Brazilians say it the way most Americans do (at least I remember it from Washington a lot to distinguish from the capital): "Rio de Janeiro state" or "Sao Paulo state" instead of "State of Rio de Janeiro" or "State of Sao Paulo".
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:32 am 
 

Dunno much about it either, but that's what Google Maps said.

Deri, thank you so much for your time. All is clear now and I can adapt this to other countries. Cheers. I'll trouble you with one more thing, and this may come handy in the OP as well. Dunno.
When a band moves to another country, but their old location was set to N/A (i.e. no known place of origin except for the country itself), which is correct?
This: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anklet/3540448569
Or this: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Luay_Rifai/54806
Thanks again.
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Antioch wrote:
When a band moves to another country, but their old location was set to N/A (i.e. no known place of origin except for the country itself), which is correct?
This: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anklet/3540448569
Or this: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Luay_Rifai/54806
Thanks again.

The second one is fine, and more clear I think.
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Alright, so I was thinking a bit more about 'city states'.

When it comes to our policy on 'city states', the idea behind it is that it's redundant to include the region if it's the exact same name AND if the city itself makes up the vast majority of the region. This was mainly meant for the more egregious cases, such as with places like Berlin, Hamburg, Vienna, Moscow, etc. It wasn't really meant for regions that include other cities and/or cover a large area.

Now I know some of you may really hate me for this, especially because I may have told you otherwise, and I apologize, but I think moving forward if there's more to the region than the city it shares a name with - if it has other cities in it, for instance - it's best to include the region name for all cities in that region.

I'll clarify this in the OP, and I really hope you all aren't super mad about this change. I just worry that if we don't include the region in these situations, then we lose a sense of clarity there. I'll go through today and work on the already completed countries in the list to reflect this change.

Is this a better policy moving forward?

Antioch: As such, this would mean that the states of Brazil would be included for all cities and that the Syrian Governorates would be included for all cities as well.

EDIT: OP is updated. I've also included a new note on historical locations, as well.
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