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Antioch
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:40 pm 
 

I need a second opinion on this one.
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/606316
Tracklist/cover art: http://coreradio.ru/hardcore/9289-freya ... es-ep-2013 (unofficial source)

However, the EP was downloadable via the (official, long-broken) link provided here - you need to scroll down a little:
http://www.revolvermag.com/news/exclusi ... choes.html

The question is whether to add or not to add.
Thanks, Zodijackyl.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:38 pm 
 

Songwriting and lyric-writing credits for https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Z ... ore/346657 are very hard to list on the site, if one sticks to the rules/the way "we're supposed to":

from their bandcamp:
All songs written by Ziad Bardawil and Juan Carrizo,
vocal melodies by Ziad Bardawil and Maya Khairallah
Lyrics by Ziad Bardawil and Maya Khairallah
Lyrics on" the Warwhore" track by Maroun Srour.

so, how do I differentiate between "songwriting" and "vocal melodies"?

and, a bit more in point, if I add "Lyrics (track 4)" for Maroun Srour on the CD version, then it will be incorrect if someone looks at the BC vesrion, which has fewer songs and "The WarWhore" is track 3, not 4.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:25 pm 
 

A quick Google search indicates that this is likely the same band. No response as of yet.

Edit: in response to Chaotic Roots
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:21 pm 
 

See edit history here: https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... 3540403075

I was under the impression that it's okay to add disambiguation to the additional notes for bands not on MA. Was I mistaken?

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Only if it's the same country.
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Gotcha, thanks.

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Antioch wrote:
I need a second opinion on this one.
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/606316
Tracklist/cover art: http://coreradio.ru/hardcore/9289-freya ... es-ep-2013 (unofficial source)

However, the EP was downloadable via the (official, long-broken) link provided here - you need to scroll down a little:
http://www.revolvermag.com/news/exclusi ... choes.html

The question is whether to add or not to add.


That's a valid release, IMO. Go ahead and add it.

aloof wrote:
Songwriting and lyric-writing credits for https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Z ... ore/346657 are very hard to list on the site, if one sticks to the rules/the way "we're supposed to":

from their bandcamp:
All songs written by Ziad Bardawil and Juan Carrizo,
vocal melodies by Ziad Bardawil and Maya Khairallah
Lyrics by Ziad Bardawil and Maya Khairallah
Lyrics on" the Warwhore" track by Maroun Srour.

so, how do I differentiate between "songwriting" and "vocal melodies"?

and, a bit more in point, if I add "Lyrics (track 4)" for Maroun Srour on the CD version, then it will be incorrect if someone looks at the BC vesrion, which has fewer songs and "The WarWhore" is track 3, not 4.


It's a free-form field for things like this. There's no set rule on how to format it. I would add the lyrics based on the track title, if the track number varies.

MutantClannfear wrote:
See edit history here: https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... 3540403075

I was under the impression that it's okay to add disambiguation to the additional notes for bands not on MA. Was I mistaken?


Normally, we only do it for bands from the same country. More or less, this is only if there's a high chance the bands might be confused. I don't think it's necessary for this band.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:26 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
It's a free-form field for things like this. There's no set rule on how to format it. I would add the lyrics based on the track title, if the track number varies.


thanks, I did :) but I fear one of the point-chasing "fixers" will blindly change it to the track number, because, let's face it, there was even a main page post about it...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:22 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ad ... ab_members

The bassist of Adrenaline Mob, who died today, has been moved to the "past members" section of their lineup. I thought the usual approach with a member's death was to keep them in the "active members" tab until the band expresses intent to continue on without said member. Has this changed or is the rule more circumstantial than that?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:12 am 
 

could/should we start adding http://setlist.fm/ links on band pages? I personally love perusing them, and I don't think they clash with the info included on this site...
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https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dejadeath/Police_Bastard/661895
5" ... not in formats
See here:
https://www.discogs.com/Dejadeath-Police-Bastard/release/9150452
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:05 pm 
 

If an official version of a non-English album has English translations of the lyrics in the booklet, can those be added to the album's lyrics section?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:21 pm 
 

this might just get closed, but I think SF01's suggestion has certain merit: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 3/show/all

"And this is why I strongly advocate for the use of [] for EVERYTHING that is not part of the song's title, that is "Demo Version", "Live", "Deep Purple Cover", "Remix", "Single Version", "Whatever-else Version" to visually separate and distinguish these notes from the song titles that have sections in (), thus when the song has [Live] it automatically means that the song is live and not that a song has 9Live) as PART OF THE TITLE."
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Hi, i' trying to add a new period to the french band Venin, from 2015 till now, but appears the first period from 1982 till now and the new one because we dont know when the first period ends, what we insert to appear one date unknown?
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MasterOfSin wrote:
Hi, i' trying to add a new period to the french band Venin, from 2015 till now, but appears the first period from 1982 till now and the new one because we dont know when the first period ends, what we insert to appear one date unknown?


add a "~" before the year - so if it's 1982 to unknown and they reformed in 2015 it would be:

1982 to ~2015
2015 to Null

it will show up as 1982-?, 2015-present
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MasterOfSin wrote:
Hi, i' trying to add a new period to the french band Venin, from 2015 till now, but appears the first period from 1982 till now and the new one because we dont know when the first period ends, what we insert to appear one date unknown?


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aloof wrote:
this might just get closed, but I think SF01's suggestion has certain merit: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 3/show/all

"And this is why I strongly advocate for the use of [] for EVERYTHING that is not part of the song's title, that is "Demo Version", "Live", "Deep Purple Cover", "Remix", "Single Version", "Whatever-else Version" to visually separate and distinguish these notes from the song titles that have sections in (), thus when the song has [Live] it automatically means that the song is live and not that a song has 9Live) as PART OF THE TITLE."


This should probably be standardized, since arbitrary reformatting when there is no accepted standard is bad.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:12 pm 
 

Concerning live tracks, how about this?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:33 pm 
 

Hi,

If a band started out as a cover band under different name, does it appropriate to add a period? Or just add it in the notes?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:15 am 
 

lunaterra wrote:
If an official version of a non-English album has English translations of the lyrics in the booklet, can those be added to the album's lyrics section?

If you're willing to type them, go ahead and add them under the original texts.

EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi,

If a band started out as a cover band under different name, does it appropriate to add a period? Or just add it in the notes?

Did they have a proper name? Or were they just playing together as "The Iron Maideneers" or something? Could you link the band here?
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Antioch wrote:
EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi,

If a band started out as a cover band under different name, does it appropriate to add a period? Or just add it in the notes?

Did they have a proper name? Or were they just playing together as "The Iron Maideneers" or something? Could you link the band here?


This band.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Borgo_Pass/8504

This is an interview with one of the original members. On number fourteen he stated that they were originally called Slow Painful Death.
http://www.borgopass.com/borgopress/goblin.htm

And this, on the very first question, originally formed as Slow Painful Death on 1992. Then played their first show as Borgo Pass in 1994.
http://www.borgopass.com/borgopress/int ... rosado.htm
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EpicDismemberment wrote:

It should indeed read: 1992-1994 (as Slow Painful Death), 1994-present
Year of formation: 1994

Don't forget to change the members' year ranges - I can help with that t if you think it's complicated.
- Add Slow Painful Death to all four founding members 1992-1994.
- Change the start year on Borgo Pass' page from 1992 to 1994 for all four of them.

Karcher joined in 2009: http://www.borgopass.com/borgonews.htm (ctrl+F=karcher)
He was also in Scorched Earth and Finally Balanced.
Scorched Earth is different from the one listed here. You could add it to his band-ography with role "unknown".

See what you can find about Finally Balanced here. I don't have FB access.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/213435081873/
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Antioch wrote:
Don't forget to change the members' year ranges - I can help with that t if you think it's complicated.
- Add Slow Painful Death to all four founding members 1992-1994.
- Change the start year on Borgo Pass' page from 1992 to 1994 for all four of them.


Please, do. I have other things to do. Will search more on Karcher other bands when I can. Thank you so much!
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No problem. I've added two full album line-ups, too - full scans on eBay. The page looks better now overall.
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Very much better. Outstanding! :headbang:
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I'm leaving this here as I don't have much time to see whether the artist exists. Just merged six or so entries, all added in the past couple of days by Illness:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/614998
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/615001
Whether the artist exists or not, I have no idea. But I seem to have lotsa doubt about those credits emerging all at once.
Profile: https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... son/726745

Could a mod ask Illness to comment on this?
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https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vi ... 3540390879

There is a note in the additional notes field stating that this band is not actually from Zambia, but that the location is a gimmick used by the band. That note has been there for 2 years with no updates or changes. The user that added it is somewhat active, but I think we should probably follow up on this, and see if there's enough doubt in the country of origin to change it to 'Unknown'. Otherwise, that note needs to be removed from the page.

I'm posting this so that someone else can take over the issue, cause work will keep me from following up in a timely manner.
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Do we mention non-official videos in the additional notes of albums? I think the answer is no, but I want to make sure.
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/617423

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How do we deal with incomplete line-ups on pages? For example, here, there are certainly more than 2 players on the album.
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... oja/675828

Is it worth adding a note that there are other members? I'm not 100% sure about the rule for this... are incomplete line-ups permitted as better than nothing?
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Incomplete is better than nothing. In lieu of guessing, nothing wrong with incomplete lineups and a note explaining such seems excessive. Dont bother.
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HouseSpiders wrote:
are incomplete line-ups permitted as better than nothing?

Yup.
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Diamhea (or other mods), is it possible to elaborate a bit on this closing post?
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/617114

What exactly is the rule on removing email addresses if the artist asks for it? Is it similar to names, birthdates, photos and other info?
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Need a bit of help with this compilation. How do I add titles to the tape number instead of the sides, like they appear on this release?

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Click "Edit tape title" button, which appears next to bin button.
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EpicDismemberment wrote:
Click "Edit tape title" button, which appears next to bin button.


I'm not seeing that option. Do I need a higher rank?

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Yes, I'm pretty sure that is a metal freak and higher option.

EDIT: I've taken care of it :)
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Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Yes, I'm pretty sure that is a metal freak and higher option.

EDIT: I've taken care of it :)


Thanks! Just a correction, the title of tape 3 should be "Hymns of Hate / Shit! The Movie" (title printed on the tape).
Side A contains "Hymns of Hate", side B contains "Shit! The Movie" and some additional tracks which the insert lists as "Rariries & Unreleased".

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Profoundemonium wrote:
Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Yes, I'm pretty sure that is a metal freak and higher option.

EDIT: I've taken care of it :)


Thanks! Just a correction, the title of tape 3 should be "Hymns of Hate / Shit! The Movie" (title printed on the tape).
Side A contains "Hymns of Hate", side B contains "Shit! The Movie" and some additional tracks which the insert lists as "Rariries & Unreleased".

Oops! My bad, fixed.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:54 pm 
 

Hey guys,

came across a report recently in which someone stated that the "formed in" does not need to match the "years active" after I asked him how that's possible. Now my question to you...Is that actually allowed on the site? I'm not talking about name changes or something, just a band that formed let's say in 2003 but was only "active" (with stable line-up and first recordings and stuff) since 2008 which leads to an entry that looks like

Formed in: 2003
Years active: 2008-present

He seemed very confident about it, but not matching year ranges got usually "fixed" by me or the one who encountered my report...

Report here:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/618780/

Haven't found it in the forums yet

EDIT: Thanks for the quick response :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:23 pm 
 

He's wrong. We don't differentiate this; if a band was formed in one year, then that year counts as part of their activity. It doesn't matter if the project didn't find a stable lineup until years later or had similar "bandness" issues early on.

If there really is a stark disconnect between the conception date and when whoever came up with it actually started composing music, rehearsing, etc., then the formation date should probably be moved forward and the nebulous "when founder person(s) first thought about the name" date or whatever mentioned in the notes. There's room for maneuvering here, but the year of formation and starting year for the first activity period (under that name) by definition cannot be different.

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