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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:06 pm 
 

I have contacted the label listed for this release in his official merchandise so it can be added later. Would this be considered valid enough to do so once they provide it (depending on what they provide obviously--in other words, to add it as a release here on M-A to their discography)?

Just before I get ahead of myself.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 1:21 am 
 

A question about this band. The only information I am able to drag up on them is from discogs and it *appears* they only appeared on a V/A compilation (or at least to me it is not clear on the Dawn of Total Darkness demo--to me, it looks like that is the title of the V/A compilation but I'm just becoming acquainted with navigating with discogs).

I tried dragging up the archive.org entry for the link in the related links field but none of them work anymore. Granted, I am under the impression that Tueur had/has access to something that we do not or that is no longer available for viewing, I suspect.

Maybe someone else can try loading the Archive.org entry of the link from the related links field and see if they have more success than I.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:22 pm 
 

Many reports have been filed lately to change Dam's line-up.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/D%C4%81m/36038

The band has recently changed name, therefore, any line-up changes will reflect wrong info.
https://www.facebook.com/dam.nation.uk/ ... =3&theater

Porman kindly put a mod warning not to modify the line-up, but still modifications were made.
For those handling reports, don't respond to reports asking to modify the line-up, and undo any changes in case they've been made.

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(sorries if it's been mentioned before)
I've started noticing bands where their contact info appears as "contact: [email protected]">[email protected]" like here http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/At_ ... 3540360995
I'm guessing it has to do with HB's bit of making emails automatically hyperlinked?
perhaps they can be searched for and fixed?
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 10:15 am 
 

I think this should go here, aloof:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=113462&start=40
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 12:06 pm 
 

On editing releases, is it possible to edit the album's line-up (e.g. add/edit or remove instrument roles) while simultaneously updating the additional notes all in the same update? There seems to be two separate interfaces and thus two separate edits required for each. Is this how it should work?

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 12:09 pm 
 

There is no other way and yes, that's how it works. That's why god created tabs.

Or are you worried about point-whoring? Don't be.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 12:13 pm 
 

My conscience has been vindicated. That's what it was (the points). Thank you.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:50 pm 
 

aloof wrote:
(sorries if it's been mentioned before)
I've started noticing bands where their contact info appears as "contact: [email protected]">[email protected]" like here http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/At_ ... 3540360995
I'm guessing it has to do with HB's bit of making emails automatically hyperlinked?
perhaps they can be searched for and fixed?


Well, that link was entered wrong, it was missing the "mailto:" bit. That's what was causing the conflict with the parser that automatically makes links.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:03 pm 
 

Hi, is metal-archives open source? It's a great site, but I personally find it a bit limiting to only include "true metal" bands. I realize that there's a lot of benefit to keeping the site tidy and excluding low-quality content, but the internet would really benefit from a metal-archives type site for other genres.

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maxscam wrote:
Hi, is metal-archives open source? It's a great site, but I personally find it a bit limiting to only include "true metal" bands. I realize that there's a lot of benefit to keeping the site tidy and excluding low-quality content, but the internet would really benefit from a metal-archives type site for other genres.


It is proprietary software.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 2:32 am 
 

HellBlazer wrote:
Well, that link was entered wrong, it was missing the "mailto:" bit. That's what was causing the conflict with the parser that automatically makes links.


thanks, and sorries if blame was inferred... my coding skills are limited to copy/pasting. I meant it along the lines of "as a result of..." :) will keep fixing them when found...

Antioch wrote:
I think this should go here, aloof:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=113462&start=40


ta. I thought about it, but wasn't sure...
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 6:46 pm 
 

Is "Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires" acceptable? Because MetalMuxxer seems to think so.
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That seems unnecessary at best, point whoring at worst. Keep an eye on him, I suspect many more issues down the line. He also doesn't like to acknowledge the mistakes he makes, so its hard to keep track of it all.
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Always go with the English exonym/toponym, if it exists.

So, since "Autonomous City of Buenos Aires" seems excessive, simply (surprise!) "Buenos Aires". EDIT: I suppose "Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires" would be most accurate to distinguish it from the province.

Someone fix it, I'm going to bed: http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... ame=#bands
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 7:15 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Keep an eye on him, I suspect many more issues down the line.

I will.

Azmodes wrote:
Always go with the English exonym/toponym, if it exists.
So, since "Autonomous City of Buenos Aires" seems excessive, simply (surprise!) "Buenos Aires".

Got it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 7:13 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/560968
I've updated the artist's page; however, he died at 23 not 24, but I can't just pick a random date of birth so as to make it right. Not sure what to do in this case.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 7:59 pm 
 

Would the additional genre descriptor of 'heavy metal' for the following bands be considered superfluous/redundant since they already have NWOBHM listed?

http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... ame=#bands

Some of them obviously do not count ala "doom metal", etc.

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Nah, that's fine.
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Speaking of non-English locations, these need changing to "State of Mexico": http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... ame=#bands
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Done. Whew! That was a lot.

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 9:32 pm 
 

Last FM links on band pages in the external links section? Good, bad, indifferent, or otherwise?

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I've been deleting them along with Wikipedia pages. They don't really contribute anything but clutter and facilitating point whoring. Last.fm pages are not run directly by any of the bands, and are chock full of inconsistencies, like if multiple bands share the same name everything just gets bunched together into one band profile.

The entire links section needs to be overhauled, so consider this an early precursor of that.
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Azmodes wrote:
Speaking of non-English locations, these need changing to "State of Mexico": http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... ame=#bands


What about these entries?

Can they be changed to merely "Santiago" or is that going too far? When I searched, it seems that "Santiago de Chile" and "Santiago" are interchangeable. Perhaps a Chilean would know better than I!

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:25 am 
 

Just stumbled across this:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D0 ... 1%82/14684
Are there any rules regarding GIFs as logos/band photos? (I didn't even know it worked)
I guess it does give an opportunity to show several different versions, but personally i prefer when it shows all of them in the same picture (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sloth/16591, http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Necromantia/927)
It's a bit annoying when you can't control the changing yourself.

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laxskinn wrote:
Just stumbled across this:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D0 ... 1%82/14684
Are there any rules regarding GIFs as logos/band photos? (I didn't even know it worked)
I guess it does give an opportunity to show several different versions, but personally i prefer when it shows all of them in the same picture (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sloth/16591, http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Necromantia/927)
It's a bit annoying when you can't control the changing yourself.

Read this: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108649
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Ah, thanks. For some reason that didn't show up when i searched.

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ksevile wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
Speaking of non-English locations, these need changing to "State of Mexico": http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... ame=#bands


What about these entries?

Can they be changed to merely "Santiago" or is that going too far? When I searched, it seems that "Santiago de Chile" and "Santiago" are interchangeable. Perhaps a Chilean would know better than I!

While "Santiago de Chile" is common, it seems that only "Santiago" is official.
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One question concerning artist's profile: is it really necessary to put information about the place someone currently lives?

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Z ... 3%BA/90628

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Why not?
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From what I understand, the location of origin remains static, so if the artist relocated, it is worth mentioning in the notes.
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Clear enough for me.

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Oh, that's what you meant by "necessary". Yes, Dia is correct. Place of origin = birth place
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What about additional notes fields like these that take a stab at incorporating descriptions of the band's sound/genre? Yay or nay?

I can see how their acceptance may vacillate depending on accuracy, significance, context, and such, and I surmise that descriptions such as "sounds like Bay Area thrash metal" are obviously not acceptable (even further considering we now have the "Similar Artists" tab).

Edit: Here are a couple more that I felt like throwing out there.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Faction_Zero/104448
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Landmine/128459
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bal ... 3540290664

Unrelated--well, on second thought, somewhat related (but cleaning up really messy/unnecessary additional notes fields----the large, overly self-promotional and almost 'autobiographical' additional notes fields you stumble across from time to time here) is not my forte, but I am trying to work on it. I figure such is better now than never. Sometimes it takes a while to decide whether to take it or leave it.

Additionally, how should download links located in the additional notes section be handled? I've never dealt with them/handled or known how to go about handling them during my time here personally. Of course they are helpful, but their superfluity might otherwise jeopardize the encyclopedic nature of the site (maybe they're OK, that is just personal/opinionated speculation of mine).

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ksevile wrote:
What about additional notes fields like these that take a stab at incorporating descriptions of the band's sound/genre? Yay or nay?

I can see how their acceptance may vacillate depending on accuracy, significance, context, and such, and I surmise that descriptions such as "sounds like Bay Area thrash metal" are obviously not acceptable (even further considering we now have the "Similar Artists" tab).


It isn't our job to describe the music beyond the genre tags, and in most instances this introduces unobjective conjecture, not to mention leaving the back door open for bands to add self-promotional exegesis. These need to all be removed.


ksevile wrote:
Unrelated--well, on second thought, somewhat related (but cleaning up really messy/unnecessary additional notes fields----the large, overly self-promotional and almost 'autobiographical' additional notes fields you stumble across from time to time here) is not my forte, but I am trying to work on it. I figure such is better now than never. Sometimes it takes a while to decide whether to take it or leave it.


This was discussed a while ago, self-promotional bios/album notes should invariably be removed, sparing only pertinent details.

ksevile wrote:
Additionally, how should download links located in the additional notes section be handled?


Also discussed a couple of months ago, use proper HTML, example: <b>Download link:</b> <a href="LINK">here</a> as opposed to raw URLs. Raw URLs in band/album notes are to be avoided in all instances, as it promotes the lazy "dumping" of such information by ignorant/careless users. Also make sure the links are still functional (roughly half are not)
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Thanks for the clarification. What to do if an artist goes by two aliases and has not released their full/actual name (ala vocalist for Inner Mortum goes by Nekrofucker / Asmodeuz)? Two separate aliases, in other words I suppose.

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ksevile wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. What to do if an artist goes by two aliases and has not released their full/actual name (ala vocalist for Inner Mortum goes by Nekrofucker / Asmodeuz)? Two separate aliases, in other words I suppose.

Some musicians have up to ten aliases. As long as they're assigned correctly, there should be no problem. If artist A, however, changes their alias to B in band X, change the alias to B on X's main page, but not on the albums where he is credited as A. Does this answer your question?
An artist's real name, whether known or unknown, has nothing to do with aliases. So, the field should be left empty unless you know the real name or a part thereof. Moreover, as per Dia's instructions, aliases occupying the real-name field - which isn't a rare occurrence actually - should be removed.
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Somewhat, yes, I believe I understand. So for instance X member is a member of three different bands. Seeing as how if we change artist name/alias field on his page, it will change it for all the bands he is listed at... in the case that he has three different aliases for each of the three different bands, his alias should be reflected on the album line-up in the "as" field for the line-up. Is that how it is?

I've been removing a lot of unnecessary aliases in the real name field as you've mentioned lately. Also, lately, I have moved the recording information in albums to the correct section (recording information).

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ksevile wrote:
Somewhat, yes, I believe I understand. So for instance X member is a member of three different bands. Seeing as how if we change artist name/alias field on his page, it will change it for all the bands he is listed at...

It won't. It'll only change for the band in which he uses that alias. Each of the other bands will retain the artist's respective alias. Personally I'd keep the alias unchanged on the artist's page unless the artist requests the change him-/herself - such wishes we tend to accommodate - in which case some manual editing needs to be done. As Azmodes once explained, open the pages to be affected in new tabs, change the alias, then revisit each page and change the alias back to what it was.

ksevile wrote:
in the case that he has three different aliases for each of the three different bands, his alias should be reflected on the album line-up in the "as" field for the line-up. Is that how it is?

Yes. His latest alias should appear on the band's main line-up, though.
EDIT: If an artist joins a band as A, then changes their alias to B before releasing anything with the band, I tend to add a note in the trivia section (upon changing A to B) saying "Also known as A/Previously known as A". It probably serves no real purpose, but it often helps avoid making duplicates.

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I've been removing a lot of unnecessary aliases in the real name field as you've mentioned lately. Also, lately, I have moved the recording information in albums to the correct section (recording information).

That's good.
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Antioch
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Joined: Sun May 01, 2011 4:08 am
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Location: Netherlands
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:17 pm 
 

The name of this band should be changed to Tezcatlipoca, and a separate page should be created for Tezarchaeon, where only the latest demo (2005) should be moved. This isn't a minor name change, is it? I'll take care of the members section/logo/picture/etc. if necessary.
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