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Derigin
The Mountain Man

Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 5475
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:56 pm 
 

Want some mind-numbing work to fix a minor part of band pages? Then this is the place to be!

The "Location" field is probably one of those areas of the site that has been neglected, as far as clean-ups go, because it is such a minor part of the site. Nevertheless, it doesn't hurt to clean it up, if for the sake of being a bit more consistent, organized, and aesthetically pleasing. This thread exists as a task force for doing so. Our plan is to clean up existing locations to be more consistent with our standards (given below), as well as do research to add locations where locations are currently unknown or unavailable. The same is true for figuring out the countries of artists and labels.

When it comes to countries, our policy is to follow the country names as given for the 'English short name' of the International Organization for Standardization (ISO 3166). That list can be found here (choose "Country codes" and click the magnifying glass symbol). It also provides the appropriate two letter and three letter versions, too, in case those are ever needed. Whenever there is a disagreement over whether something is a country or not, or how to write out a country's name, please consider this source as paramount.

When it comes to locations, our policy is to include the city as well as the (highest top/first level administrative) region/province/state within the country, if applicable (ex. region/province/state/oblast/republic/etc.). Links to the applicable regions are in the country lists below. Both city and region should be written out fully (ex. Las Vegas, Nevada). For the sake of consistency, and because we're an English encyclopedia, locations must be in their official form as recognized by the English speaking world. Our preference is that the English version of Google Maps be used, as much as reasonably possible, as the source for locations. Whenever there is doubt, or contradictory information, use your discretion and go with the most widely-cited English version (which is usually Google Maps, but may not always be) and/or the official version, whichever you feel is more suitable. Just know that in English there may be both an official short name and a long name for locations, and the short name may be the better solution to keep the field simple and concise. Google Maps is more of a guideline when it comes to what constitutes a city and the spelling, not so much when there's discrepancies or variant forms that don't alter the ability to search and understand the name of the location in English.

If your default for Google Maps is not set for English, there's multiple ways to access the English version. If you have a Google account, you can go to Google Maps, choose "Menu" and then "Language" and set it to English. If you do not have a Google account, there are two ways to do this that do not require logging in: (1) Go to google.com/ncr. This will set a cookie in your browser saying that you want to view the English version of Google Maps. This will apply to all google services such as Google Maps until you clear cookies; (2) Alternatively, you can also just append ?hl=en to the end of the URL (ex. maps.google.com?hl=en).

Why Google Maps? We feel it's probably the most universal source where you can find relatively wide-known English versions of place names, even for small cities in the middle of nowhere. We know it's not totally perfect, especially for inner city districts, but generally for city and (often) region names it can be very reliable. And, the nice thing is that many of the countries covered have their region names included, too (though, not always, so always double check with other sites!), and this is a source that is easy to navigate.

How to properly format the location field is up to debate, but a general rule of thumb may be the following:

If the band was only ever in one known location in a single country
City Name, Region Name
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony)

If the band has members in multiple locations in a single country and in the same region
City Name/City Name, Region Name
(eg. Soltau/Walsrode, Lower Saxony)

If the band has changed location in a single country, while staying in the same region
City Name (early)/City Name (later), Region Name
(eg. Soltau (early)/Walsrode (later), Lower Saxony)

If the band has members in multiple locations in a single country, but in different regions
City Name, Region Name / City Name, Region Name
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony / Beelitz, Brandenburg)

If the band has changed location in a single country, without staying in the same region
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name (later)
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony (early); Beelitz, Brandenburg (later))

If the band is International and/or has members in multiple countries
City Name, Region Name, Country / City Name, Region Name, Country
(eg. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada / Los Angeles, California, United States)

If the band has changed location, and all its members now reside in another country
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name, Country (later)
(eg. Ottawa, Ontario (early); Helsinki, Uusimaa, Finland (later))

IMPORTANT NOTES:

1. Country of Origin. The "Country of Origin" field does not change; that is ALWAYS the country where the band was originally formed. If, for whatever reason, there are multiple countries involved in the location, it is redundant to include the country name in the "Location" field if it already exists in the "Country of Origin" field.

2. Character Limit. In the event you reach the character limit for the field, it is acceptable to abbreviate the region and country names to their two letter versions in order to make it all fit. Start by abbreviating the country name, and then the region if necessary. That said, reach out to us about this anyway, as we may be able to increase the limit, or at least look into it.

3. Accents/Characters. Place names should have their appropriate accents/characters as ideally noted on the English version of Google Maps. Countries should be written as given in the ISO 3166 link above. There may be some exceptions to this (for instance, with Montréal instead of Montreal, or with United States instead of United States of America). Generally, though, try to stick with how it's written on Google Maps/ISO 3166.

4. Temporal Markers. When denoting a change in location, (early) (mid) (later) are preferred. Contact us in this thread if there's any oddities with this (ie. a band that changed locations a dozen times). We may have to make an exception to these general rules to accommodate such weird situations. It is also perfectly OK to use (early/later) and (mid) in cases where a band leaves a location and then comes back to it at a later time.

5. Top/First Level Regions. Try to avoid over-doing it when it comes to region names. The region name should ideally be the most top/first level name, and that's it; I've given links to them in the country lists below. It's not necessary or preferred to include counties/districts/departments within regions. We DO NOT want the following: Chicago, Cook County, Illinois. Just stick with the most top-level region/province/state/oblast/republic/etc. region name that is appropriate for the country. Likewise, it is also not desired to utilize sub-city districts/regions, either. Keep it relatively simple and concise. It's up to you whether you want to use the full or short form of the region name, but keeping it simple and concise is probably preferable.

6. No City Name. There is ONE exception to #5. In the event that there is no known city name for a band, and you cannot find it despite exhausting all efforts to do so, it is acceptable to keep going a level up in administrative/cultural/geographic divisions for the location until you have an accurate, verifiable location. In other words, if the band doesn't specify a city, but you know it's in Cook County, it's OK to use Cook County, Illinois as the location name. The same is true if you only know they exist in a region, like in Illinois, it's also OK to leave it as "Illinois" for the location. Feel free to use the long form of the region name to clarify situations where a region name is the same as a major city in that region. For instance, if you know a band is in the Lisbon District, but may not be in Lisbon within that district, putting "Lisbon District" instead of "Lisbon" is probably best when you have no idea which city in the region it is located in. In an ideal world, however, we would have city names for all bands on MA. That is always our end goal.

7. City States. When the region has the exact same name as the city AND if the city itself makes up the vast majority of the region (ex. Berlin, Hamburg, Vienna, etc.), it's redundant to include the region name. So in these cases, just sticking with the city name is fine. If the region includes other cities and/or covers a large area, include the region name in the location field for all cities in that region, even if there's a city that shares the exact same name. I've clarified below in the country lists with "X has no region" for the cities that don't require a region.

8. ... at Somewhere Locations. One thing that has popped up, especially for places in Germany and Austria, is the inclusion of 'at Somewhere' bits to locations (ex. Frankfurt am Main, Klagenfurt am Wörthersee). In the English speaking world it is common for well-known and larger cities to lose their 'at Somewhere' bits in the English version of the name, while smaller and less-known cities retain them. That's not always the case, but helps to explain why in English sources the 'at Somewhere' bits are sometimes there and sometimes not. Since the 'at Somewhere' bits don't change the ability to search for the band, since if you're, say, searching for Frankfurt you will still find Frankfurt even if it's named Frankfurt am Main, there is no harm in including them.

9. Historical Locations. On occasion, you may run into a band that has a location which no longer exists, either because their country no longer exists (ex. Yugoslavia), or because the city has merged with another (ex. East Berlin), or because the city/region/country name has changed. In these cases, we aim to stick with the current name of the successor (ex. Zagreb, Croatia not Yugoslavia, Berlin not East Berlin). That said, it may be relevant and even notable and interesting to include such information in the additional notes for the band/artist/label, especially if they were, say, one of the few bands from East Berlin, or the person was born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, for instance. Use your discretion.

If you are interested in helping out with this, and you have the ability to edit the location field, please let me know which country you would like to work on in the list below and you will be assigned it. Some countries are obviously much more work than others, so carefully choose which ones you want to focus on. If it turns out you've done nothing with the country, it may be assigned to someone else, or you can choose to drop the assignment yourself. If there is no location for a band, and you cannot find it, just skip it for now.

Completed Countries

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Afghanistan - Use provinces
Åland Islands - N/A
Albania - Use counties
Algeria - Use provinces
Andorra - N/A
Angola - Use provinces
Argentina - Use provinces, Buenos Aires has no region
Armenia - Use provinces, Yerevan has no region
Aruba - N/A
Austria - Use states, Vienna has no region
Azerbaijan - N/A
Bahrain - Use governorates
Bangladesh - Use divisions
Barbados - N/A
Belarus - Use regions, Minsk (the city) has no region
Belgium - Use provinces, Brussels has no region
Belize - Use districts
Bolivia - Use departments
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Use cantons for Bosnia + Republika Srpska + Brčko
Botswana - Use districts
Brunei - Use districts
Bulgaria - Use provinces, Sofia (the city) has no region
Cambodia - Use provinces, Phnom Penh has no region
Canada - Use provinces and territories
China - Use provinces, Beijing, Chongqing, Shanghai and Tianjin have no regions
Colombia - Use departments, Bogota has no region
Costa Rica - Use provinces
Croatia - Use counties, Zagreb (the city) has no region
Cuba - Use provinces, Havana has no region
Curaçao - N/A
Cyprus - N/A
Czechia - Use regions, Prague has no region
Dominican Republic - Use provinces
Ecuador - Use provinces
Egypt - Use governorates, Alexandria and Cairo have no region
El Salvador - Use departments
Estonia - Use counties
Ethiopia - Use regions, Addis Ababa has no region
Faroe Islands - Use regions
French Polynesia - N/A
Georgia - Use mkhare + Abkhazia + Adjara, Tbilisi has no region
Gibraltar - N/A
Greenland - N/A
Guam - N/A
Guatemala - Use departments
Guernsey - N/A
Guyana - Use regions
Honduras - Use departments
Hong Kong - N/A
Hungary - Use counties, Budapest has no region
Iceland - N/A
India - Use states
Iran - Use provinces
Iraq - Use governorates, Baghdad has no region
Isle of Man - N/A
Israel - Use districts
Italy
Jamaica - N/A
Japan - Use prefectures, Tokyo has no region
Jersey - N/A
Jordan - Use governorates
Kazakhstan - Use regions, Almaty, Baikonur, Nur-Sultan, Shymkent have no region
Kenya - Use counties, Nairobi, Mombasa have no region
Korea, South - Use provinces, Seoul and Sejong have no regions
Kuwait - Use governorates
Kyrgyzstan - Use regions, Bishkek, Osh have no region
Laos - Use provinces, Vientiane has no region
Latvia - N/A
Lebanon - Use governorates, Beirut has no region
Libya - Use districts
Liechtenstein - N/A
Lithuania - Use counties
Luxembourg - Use cantons
Madagascar - Use regions
Maldives - Use atolls
Malta - Use regions
Mauritius - N/A
Moldova - Use districts, Chișinău, Bălți, Bender have no regions
Monaco - N/A
Mongolia - Use provinces, Ulaanbaatar has no region
Montenegro - N/A
Morocco - Use regions
Mozambique - Use provinces, Maputo has no region
Myanmar - Use states
Namibia - Use regions
Nepal - Use provinces (permanent names forthcoming...)
New Caledonia - N/A
New Zealand - Use regions
Nicaragua - Use departments
North Macedonia - N/A
Oman - Use governorates
Pakistan - Use provinces, Islamabad has no region
Panama - Use provinces
Paraguay - Use departments, Asunción has no region
Peru - Use regions, Lima has no region
Philippines - Use regions + Bangsamoro
Poland - Use voivodeships (Note: Use the noun not the adjective form; Silesia not Silesian)
Puerto Rico - N/A
Qatar - N/A
Romania - Use counties, Bucharest has no region
Russia - Use federal subjects, Moscow, St. Petersburg have no regions
Reunion - N/A
San Marino - N/A
Saudi Arabia - Use regions
Serbia - Use okruga + Kosovo, Belgrade has no region
Slovakia - Use regions
Slovenia - N/A
South Africa - Use provinces
Sri Lanka - Use provinces
Suriname - Use districts, Paramaribo has no region
Svalbard - N/A
Switzerland - Use cantons
Syria - Use governorates, Damascus has no region
Taiwan - N/A
Tajikistan - Use regions, Dushanbe has no region
Trinidad and Tobago - N/A
Tunisia - Use governorates, Tunis has no region
Turkey - Use provinces, Istanbul has no province
Turkmenistan - Use regions, Ashgabat has no region
Uganda - Use regions, Kampala has no region
Ukraine - Use oblasts + Crimea; Kiev, Sevastopol have no regions
United Arab Emirates - Use emirates
Uruguay - Use departments, Montevideo has no region
Uzbekistan - Use regions, Tashkent has no region
Venezuela - Use states, Caracas has no region
Vietnam - Use regions


Incomplete Countries

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Australia - 2628 - Use states and territories
Brazil - 6180 - Use states
Chile - 2394 - Use regions, Santiago has no region
Denmark (assigned to Derigin) - 1013 - Use regions + Ertholmene
Finland (assigned to Derigin) - 3924 - Use regions
France - 5180 - Use regions
Germany (assigned to PaganiusI) - 10993 - Use states, Berlin, Bremen, Hamburg have no regions
Greece - 2036 - Use regions
Indonesia - 1759 - Use provinces, Jakarta has no region
International - 892 - N/A
Ireland - 423 - Use counties
Malaysia - 625 - Use states, Kuala Lumpur and Putrajaya have no regions
Mexico (assigned to OpsiusCato) - 2922 - Use states, Mexico City has no region
Netherlands (assigned to Antioch) - 2418 - Use provinces
Norway - 1724 - Use counties, Oslo has no region
Portugal (assigned to MasterOfSin) - 1344 - Use districts + Azores + Madeira
Singapore - 274 - N/A
Spain - 3713 - Use autonomous communities + Ceuta + Melilla
Sweden - 4679 - Use counties
Thailand (assigned to EpicDismemberment) - 186 - Use provinces, Bangkok, Pattaya have no regions
United Kingdom (assigned to Derigin) - 5262 - Use England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales
United States - 27719 - Use states


Band Locations in Need of Research
Below are cases for each country that require more research as far as determining their exact location.

No Location
A list of bands whose city and region are completely unknown.
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No City, Only Region
A list of bands whose city is unknown, but whose region is known.
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City/Region Uncertainty
A list of bands whose location could refer the city or region they're in. We don't know.
Spoiler: show


Invalid City or Region
A list of bands whose location is neither an acceptable city or region, but is a placeholder for now.

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Austria
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540404346
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Decorum/3540418668
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fl ... Ages/95035
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pl ... 3540453188
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Soulful/3540432560
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wo ... tiny/73425
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bifr%C3%B6st/69341
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pr ... 3540366661
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ic ... 3540317741

Belgium
Eponymous city/region
Antwerp
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... 3540358402
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Daemon/3540423178
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pr ... 3540437259
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ev ... 3540342319
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ca ... 3540366383
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Inclination/119599
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Antira/53302
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rot/50999
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sp ... ill/107587
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dread/55109
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sfagnum/12376
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Guardian/16990
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Killer/1644
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bu ... urch/86642
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Alughana/41586
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mantiis/3540286332
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wi ... 3540358278
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540417419
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Yo ... 3540331669
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pa ... ate/126104
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fi ... 3540310937
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wh ... row/101020
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... 3540407454
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sa ... 3540442022
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Onrust/3540439984
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/To ... 3540338100
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/As ... 3540371387
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Seethr/3540449470
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Se ... 3540322496
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zw ... 3540299971
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ih ... 3540377028
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... 3540385994
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ordeal/17872
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Van_Camp/24018
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/An ... etra/30420
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Crosshead/45269
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bones/3540359383
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aeons_of_Old/11992
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rain/3540376792
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bark/3540399067
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/So ... 3540258525
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/M% ... 3540399069
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/RZMNR/3540442848
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anaemica/42725
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Magma_Drift/98022
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/B%C3%BCtcher/19687
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/As ... sti/124135
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/En ... 3540395246
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mordred/66549
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Do ... amond/6389
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... 3540391414
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Krossbreed/120063
+ https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Temenos/24998 (city needed)
+ https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nimmerland/24509 (city needed)
+ https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ge ... 3540400099 (city needed)

Liège
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zardens/3540342536
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mutisme/3540394010
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... 3540323104
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540346659
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Karyan/7214
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540395056
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/A_ ... 3540342576
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/From_Beyond/38712
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cr ... lata/32316
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tr ... 3540432452
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Or ... 3540300106
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Set_the_Tone/13388
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hu ... 3540404558
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ardwynn/3540432209
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... 3540454228
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ca ... 3540323162
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540406889
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540395375
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Di ... ment/51316
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Br ... 3540392823
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Me ... 3540294008
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ex_Delirium/51320
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540386681
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Al ... 3540341881
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Absolutus/45694
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Te ... lood/51326
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Go ... 3540342659
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vi ... 3540378244
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Asphodemus/41607
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Excavated/41608
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Klysma/3540433801
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Angakok/3540395417
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dr ... 3540327579
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Deuil/3540397470
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540318110
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cocyte/3540342187
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fa ... 3540324280
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Loadead/51393
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Disruption/117187
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fe ... 3540423111
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/No ... tion/27337
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/La ... 3540416975
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pu ... 3540347602
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nokturnal/44767
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stormy_Night/51426
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/M% ... 3540419813
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bu ... 3540283622
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Go ... 3540324075
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dragonfire/8701

Namur
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vi ... owd/115200
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fo ... 3540399112
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ga ... ecay/12813
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ko ... 3540399117
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mudwall/3540326981
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kuster/3540263083
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Epysode/3540332976
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sp ... 3540350133
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hyde/3540421047
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Virus_IV/78018
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Spirittales/122342
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aeresis/3540369478 (early)

East Flanders (city needed)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wix/36630
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Deathtrap/54825
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Exile/84535
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Heimat/20805
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... Decay/5210
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wi ... 3540281734
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Consensus/20926
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mostro/45274
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Enforcer/81629
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Tears/5097

Flemish Brabant (city needed):
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/As ... 3540280419

Hainaut (city needed):
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Malaria/96405
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ba ... 3540397763
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Blast/3540408817

Limburg (city needed):
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ad ... 3540389410
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Voidian/3540434492
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ashema/3540255576
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sp ... 3540412537
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rancor/105342
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Er ... 3540329108
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ne ... 3540278970
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sh ... A1dh/53465
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Crawlspace/10207
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ar ... 3540383970
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... 3540445668
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ex_Inferis/24046

West Flanders (city needed):
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mu ... 3540377867
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Liar/91675
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... 3540347681
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sl ... ess/122680
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/At ... 3540430919
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ga ... 3540271950
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... ion/125027
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Go ... 3540393321
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/POX/3540397437
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ty ... 3540345994
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... well/96652
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sk ... 3540390544
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wa ... 3540346014
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Consul/3540295583
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540347574
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540423359
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Taranis/85962
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Un ... 3540455885

Multiple regions (cities needed):
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... 3540288390 (cities needed)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tensor/3540445946 (cities needed)

Miscellaneous:
Flanders (region & city needed)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Skerft/17687
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ve ... eid/125983
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540420144
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Thorium/3540446296
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hellewacht/125839
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Na ... inct/11178
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zw ... 3540442303
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540360398
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Plaag/3540320979
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540377499 (later)

Wallonia (region & city needed)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Abyssum/3540407258
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ha ... ants/72699

Bulgaria
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dzvera/3540371346

Czechia
Liberec
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Act_of_God/11540
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Act_of_God/11540
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ne ... 3540456310
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kr ... Csk/105639
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kranium/95686
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mor/49865
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Krakonosh/95695
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nero/3540284397
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/So ... 3540429808

Olomouc
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ho ... %A1z/35339
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Godless_Truth/3108
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Barracuda/8236
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Perseus/3540402491
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... 3540303678
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lingam/47440
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Si ... 3540284510
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stylet/3540373404
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ve ... 3540316060
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... ded/102054
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... ess/118186
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ca ... 3540412331
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fa ... sery/83635
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/M.O.R._Death/95690
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sp ... ring/82387
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dark_Sorcery/12012
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Skramasax/49653

Pardubice
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zordon/3540265755
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kraken/47645
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Buer/3540400161
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ne ... 3540414243
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540372266
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sa ... 3540342315
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Li ... 3540342321
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... 3540259913
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Im ... ears/10317
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anachronic/30294
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Promile/3540288089
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Navar/33117
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dy ... 3540358521
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ha ... 3540437631
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Klan/103553
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... 3540334510
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lazaret/94668
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... 3540392703

Pilsen
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ga ... 3540437508
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lochness/35606
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%E ... 3540358943
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dispair/104485
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Saxana/49959
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fo ... 3540279602
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ko ... ers/109619
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ne ... 3540281911
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540323643
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Parabellum/76366
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Op ... 3540302671
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Grind_6%2C4/95574
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Interitus/11864
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Doomsday/45659
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mythopoeia/11871
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rea_Silvia/11880
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nogrod/3540313965
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Av ... 3540369522
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Panychida/47484
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... %B6m/54142
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... iny/112000
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Umbrtka/16004
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Go ... anor/67982
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Creyden/3540325774
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540361104
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... tion/49808
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nucleon/53394
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hellirion/53396
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anteros/49823
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tudor/29354
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... ence/40366
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Doomsters/95676
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Se ... 3540415938
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Se ... 3540415938
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540446920
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oc ... 3540346074
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Quercus/13279
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Triumf/3540281567
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sad_Fact/30943
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... %C5%AF/483
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Trollech/493
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Santus/109549

Ústí nad Labem
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ayerdall/32601
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bestila/113753
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Re ... 3540265308
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Di ... iew/120929
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Morlok/30365
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sl ... 3540327352

Zlín
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Flood/49733 (This one should probably be re-evaluated. I'll try to find more samples)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Damator/109644
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Chorus/105193

Miscellaneous
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... Zima/58540 (city needed)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Po ... 3540378063 (city/region needed)

Italy
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/A_ ... 3540437404
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ak ... 3540408946
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Alastor/3540437032
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Am ... 3540447303
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/An ... 3540402727
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/An ... 3540438319
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/An ... .K./111372
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Apathos/3540402359
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ærgonaut/3540443479
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arlem/111374
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/As ... 3540400112
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Asidie/3540437232
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/As ... 3540310314
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aton/3540268381
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Au ... 3540424369
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ba ... 3540455388
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Battlefield/111402
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Be ... 3540285137
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Be ... 3540379228
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... ick/109038
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540437874
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Br ... 3540456339
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bu ... 3540404263
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Capricorn/111416
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ca ... 3540317796
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ce ... 3540370786
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Charon/3540388581
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cl ... 3540388750
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Çoban/3540441410
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540446575
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540451729
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Daevil/3540413830
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540272928
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540431341
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540347107
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Del_Buio/75904
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540454371
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... ion/112148
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... ast/111417
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Di ... 3540454841
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dig/3540318539
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Disaster/111429
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Do ... 3540256048
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Do ... 3540448125
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dolmen/3540393022
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dorguz/3540438171
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Do ... 3540449670
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dr ... 3540452228
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dr ... 3540314240
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dw ... 3540451036
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ea ... 3540389010
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ed ... 3540402686
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Em ... 3540452096
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Et ... 3540387398
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Et ... 3540423103
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ev ... 3540323484
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ev ... 3540438932
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ey ... 3540431070
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fire_Clouds/111431
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fi ... 3540385330
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fr ... 3540428149
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fu ... uck/128168
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Funerea_Luna/59127
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ge ... 3540363476
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gi ... 3540442197
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Giasc/3540437064
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540408347
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ha ... 3540454421
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... rds/111469
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... del/111461
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hide_Raw/111436
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hi ... ion/111395
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hopera/129014
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hräswelg/3787
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hu ... 3540456028
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Husk/3540438610
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Iblis/10980
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ig ... 3540445052
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Immorior/18457
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Impheria/69207
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... ests/93513
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... 3540323526
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Inhumans/111389
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Innre/3540324180
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Insania/35938
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... urgy/97828
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ir ... hemy/62263
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Je ... 3540455387
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kaprogöat/20947
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Keen/90203
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Keening/111437
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ke ... ness/14059
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Killerwitch/111443
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kiowa/111441
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kira/3540348194
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kr ... 3540335567
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ks ... 3540407641
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/La ... eto/121346
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Last_Rite/123175
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Legione/3540360842
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Li ... 3540436593
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lu ... 3540386228
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lyssa/61585
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/M-Zero/111485
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Manam/3540447562
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... 3540400416
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mattatoio/30916
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Me ... 3540448715
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Metha/111445
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mindfar/3540427796
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... 3540324505
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... 3540425175
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... 3540453750
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... 3540444417
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... tak/111498
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/N.A.RAC./67142
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Na_Name/111403
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nahar/3540438270
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nathas/3540320526
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Na ... 3540444278
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nefelheim/56177
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nefilim/3540378188
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nekhen/3540412338
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nereo/3540339770
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nightcomers/111449
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/No ... 3540453868
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/No ... 3540322664
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/No ... neral/5337
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nor/3540454795
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nur_Run/3540456531
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Obake/3540415970
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ol ... 3540423225
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Onferno/3540388253
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Or ... 3540428957
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Os ... ion/110085
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pe ... 3540426490
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Program_4/62216
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rüsa_Nivul/3540451744
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rainmakers/111503
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Re ... 3540384261
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Re ... 3540327719
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ro ... 3540412724
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ro ... 3540413948
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sacrifice/111491
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sa ... 3540411927
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Scür/3540456747
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Se ... 3540404982
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sejtane/3540286170
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sgrang/3540445645
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sg ... 3540377060
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Si ... 3540452385
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sk ... 3540406662
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Skulld/3540451153
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Snowdrops/111496
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/So ... 3540439516
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Soman/14335
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stone_Head/88534
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Swastika/26567
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tenebro/3540451719
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Enemy/52669
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540386029
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540440688
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540370423
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540333481
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540386030
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tyrannizer_Örder/3540342284
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Uf ... 3540426248
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Undead/92539
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Un ... 3540440699
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Uvkir/3540457260
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vacuum/46622
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Va ... 3540376046
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ve ... 3540415850
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ve ... 3540442072
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vi ... 3540393356
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vo ... 3540457852
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wa ... 3540423325
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wanted/3540458250
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wa ... tan/111330
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wi ... unes/63959
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wo ... 3540368048
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wycliff/96056
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Xv ... 3540392995
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Zis/111480

Japan
Japan is all done except the following:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Althema/112798
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ar ... 3540443835
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Atomic/112916
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cr ... 3540446006
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... 3540279638
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Do ... 3540334999
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ea ... 3540335000
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Exoforce/30234
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gaia_Prelude/49564
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gyze/3540341516
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... 3540256223
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ho ... 3540367039
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ho ... 3540454642
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ju ... 3540300529
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lagna/3540360161
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Letticia/117948
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... 3540447477
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/OxNx/3540255868
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ph ... 3540367962
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sc ... 3540343485
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Su ... 3540301852
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Thundersteel/21620
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Va ... oint/62496
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Verlierer/24986
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vi ... 3540317351
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%E ... 3540427974

Luxembourg
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... 3540375385
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... 3540439169
There's at least two places with that name, in different cantons.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... eed/126367
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Candle/4035
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lifeless/22841
Canton or town/city/etc.?

New Zealand
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Angel_Hammer/28949
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540341662
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540265978
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540452262
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... 3540361018
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Va ... 3540384598
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Yo ... 3540420442

South Africa
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Autumn_Sun/108462
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ni ... rumer/9090
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stygian/45208

Switzerland
Azmodes wrote:
1) Like Salzburg, Salzburg et al, there are a number of cantons with eponymous capitals making it ambiguous which is meant if there is only one item in the locations field. I'm not going to link to all the bands directly here, since that's quite a list, but here are all the canton/city pairs you can look up through the advanced search (don't confine the search to CoO Switzerland, since there are some international or other artists):
Code:
Lucerne, Zürich, Bern, Schaffhausen, Geneva, St. Gallen, Schwyz, Glarus, Zug, Fribourg, Solothurn, Neuchâtel
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Is there a minimum for distance and time to avoid clutter? Like moving Yonkers/NYC as an example for the former, dunno if suburbs constitute a noteworthy location change, and band living only for 6 months in one location as an example for the latter even if maybe something was recorded during those 6 months I dunno if that's not maybe too much.

Also since you used German examples, for city states is something like "Bremen, Bremen", "Berlin, Berlin", "Hamburg, Hamburg" actually necessary? I guess to keep the system consistent.
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I would suggest using your discretion in those cases, especially when considering how significant a location change was for the band, and how notable it would be to include that information on the band page.

Generally, as a rule of thumb in the cases you gave, changing suburbs within the same proximate location in a metropolitan area is probably not a noteworthy location change. And I'd suggest, however possible and whenever known, that noting locations where a band and its members have resided for longer than a year is preferred over shorter periods of time. This isn't a steadfast rule by any means. Perhaps in cases that are truly questionable or odd, it's best for us to discuss them here when they come up. But the ideal is to streamline the field and keep it concise and organized, while retaining its accuracy.

EDIT: Added a note about city states.
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Sorry for the late edit while you responded, I actually thought about it considering the pages of Black Tribe and Alpha Drone and I always kept it as "Oldenburg, Lower Saxony" exactly because I never knew what would be relevant enough to add and what would just be unnecessary clutter. Alpha Drone was actually formed in Bremen (Bremen) and the demo and part of the album recorded there as was one Black Tribe demo, lived there for a year, thinking about it now it could be worth adding. However, why I asked, before I moved to Bremen, I lived eight months in a village near Oldenburg and recorded two or three stray songs there and yeah I wanted to ask to be sure, but that's definitely completely unnecessary information.
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It's entirely up to you in that case, since you are the person behind the projects and know them best, but I guess as with our policy towards all information on MA, it should be information that is publicly known about the band. Since you are behind both projects, if you want to include past locations you feel are noteworthy, by all means please do so. If you don't, and they were never publicly known and/or aren't really noteworthy in your eyes, then it's best not to include them. I don't know if that makes sense, or is a sensible approach, but there's no fixed rule here I'm afraid.
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Added a point about 'at Somewhere' places, as well as clarified the bit about location policy by adding the following: "Whenever there is doubt, or contradictory information, use your discretion and go with the most widely-cited English version (which is usually Google Maps, but may not always be) and/or the official version, whichever you feel is more suitable. Just know that in English there may be both an official short name and a long name for locations, and the short name may be the better solution to keep the field simple and concise."
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Hi,
i remember two years ago i made this for Portuguese bands, i gonna update this field.
Just one thing in the cases were the city has the same name of
the region or province, for example if a band is from Lisbon the structure should be City / Municipalities / District
so the field must have Lisbon / Lisbon / Lisbon, right?
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When it comes to regions, just choose the most top/first level one that's relevant. In Portugal, it seems that may be the country's 18 districts + the autonomous regions of Azores and Madeira? So it would be City Name / District in this case.

If the city name is the exact same as the region, you can just omit the region in that case as it would be redundant. So it'd just be one instance of Lisbon there.

I'll add you on the list as the guy working on Portugal, MoS. :)
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Derigin wrote:
When it comes to regions, just choose the most top/first level one that's relevant. In Portugal, it seems that may be the country's 18 districts + the autonomous regions of Azores and Madeira? So it would be City Name / District in this case.

If the city name is the exact same as the region, you can just omit the region in that case as it would be redundant. So it'd just be one instance of Lisbon there.

I'll add you on the list as the guy working on Portugal, MoS. :)


Ok, i understand.
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Derigin wrote:
Want some mind-numbing work to fix a minor part of band pages? Then this is the place to be!

If the band has changed location in a single country, without staying in the same region
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name (later)
(eg. Soltau, Lower Saxony (early); Beelitz, Brandenburg (later))

If the band has changed location, and all its members now reside in another country
City Name, Region Name (early); City Name, Region Name, Country (later)
(eg. Ottawa, Ontario (early); Helsinki, Uusimaa, Finland (later))


Is it imperative to use a semicolon instead of a comma here? Dia asked a few users in the past to clean up location fields with (early)/(later) and we did thousands of them, but we always used a comma to separate the early/later parts. The genre field he did himself, also using a comma to separate the phases. My question is if those are really in need of changing or we can just stick to the comma.

I'm interested in adding regions to Czech bands (as I've been meaning to do so for a while) if that's ok.
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We've decided on the semi-colon instead of the comma. May as well try to stick with a single way of formatting. I'm sorry if there was confusion in the past. Moving forward, let this thread be your guide.

As for Czechia bands, I think KJ has taken assignment of that. You should reach out to him.
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Derigin wrote:
We've decided on the semi-colon instead of the comma. May as well try to stick with a single way of formatting. I'm sorry if there was confusion in the past. Moving forward, let this thread be your guide.

Noted.

Derigin wrote:
As for Czechia bands, I think KJ has taken assignment of that. You should reach out to him.

No need to reassign. You'll do a better job anyway, KJ. ;)
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I can see the list in the spoiler now, haha. :durr:

Derigin wrote:
If the city name is the exact same as the region, you can just omit the region in that case as it would be redundant. So it'd just be one instance of Lisbon there.


Thinking aloud here if I may:
- Should we use the same logic for these for example, Derigin?
https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... ame=#bands
Or is the current practice the way to go?

- Syria for example is divided into 14 governorates and all the bands on here come from the major cities in those governorates, i.e. the cities after which the governorate is named. I take it it's redundant to add the name of the governorate as well, as is the case with Portugal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorates_of_Syria
Correct?

Artist page (Syria):
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... mad/668986
In this case I'll go with Baniyas instead of Banias and add the governorate Tartus. Correct?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baniy ... AHoECAkQAQ

- Following up on my earlier questions:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Laxsid/3540365243
About the semicolon:
This should appear as such: Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)
Correct?
Or, depending on the answer to the question above, as:
Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)

- This leads me to my final question.
What if a band has "Rio de Janeiro" on their Facebook but they don't actually mean the city; they mean the state? So, basically they come from different cities in the state of Rio de Janeiro (probably including the city of Rio) but they make only the state known. Do we then go by: "State of Rio de Janeiro" or keep it as "Rio de Janeiro".
1. If your answer is "Go with (State of Rio de Janeiro)", I have no further questions.
2. If your answer is "Go with (Rio de Janeiro)", a situation may arise where someone sees it and thinks "Oh, let's add the state here" assuming it's the city; thus, having "Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro" as the end result, which is false information because they come from the state and not the city. And in hindsight, has this not been done already?
A similar situation I've discussed with KJ a while back about Dutch bands coming from either Utrecht (Utrecht Province) and Groningen (Groningen Province). So he might already have answers here.

Thank you.

Edit:
One last question.
Concerning Lebanon. Lebanon is divided into districts which in turn belong to governorates.
In the case of Zouk Mosbeh for example, which is the way to go?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zouk_Mosbeh
Location1: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane District, Mount Lebanon Governorate
Location2: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane, Mount Lebanon Governorate
And (Tripoli), which is the correct way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli,_Lebanon
Location1: Tripoli, Tripoli District, North Governorate
Location2: Tripoli, Tripoli, North Governorate
Location3: Tripoli, North Governorate (thus omitting the district as it has the same name)

I'm asking too many questions, aren't I?
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Feel free to join me on Czechia, Antioch! I've started from the beginning of the list sorted by location.

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Will pm you shortly, KJ. Cheers.
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Antioch wrote:
- Should we use the same logic for these for example, Derigin?
https://www.metal-archives.com/search/a ... ame=#bands
Or is the current practice the way to go?

See below.

Antioch wrote:
Syria for example is divided into 14 governorates and all the bands on here come from the major cities in those governorates, i.e. the cities after which the governorate is named. I take it it's redundant to add the name of the governorate as well, as is the case with Portugal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorates_of_Syria
Correct?

See below.

Antioch wrote:
Artist page (Syria):
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... mad/668986
In this case I'll go with Baniyas instead of Banias and add the governorate Tartus. Correct?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baniy ... AHoECAkQAQ

Yes.

Antioch wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Laxsid/3540365243
About the semicolon:
This should appear as such: Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)
Correct?
Or, depending on the answer to the question above, as:
Damascus (early); Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (mid); Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (later)

The latter, though ensure that all applicable regions are included for all locations.

Antioch wrote:
- This leads me to my final question.
What if a band has "Rio de Janeiro" on their Facebook but they don't actually mean the city; they mean the state? So, basically they come from different cities in the state of Rio de Janeiro (probably including the city of Rio) but they make only the state known. Do we then go by: "State of Rio de Janeiro" or keep it as "Rio de Janeiro".
1. If your answer is "Go with (State of Rio de Janeiro)", I have no further questions.
2. If your answer is "Go with (Rio de Janeiro)", a situation may arise where someone sees it and thinks "Oh, let's add the state here" assuming it's the city; thus, having "Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro" as the end result, which is false information because they come from the state and not the city. And in hindsight, has this not been done already?
A similar situation I've discussed with KJ a while back about Dutch bands coming from either Utrecht (Utrecht Province) and Groningen (Groningen Province). So he might already have answers here.

#1 is fine. If it helps with clarity, then noting that it's the region you're referring to and not the city in the location is perfectly acceptable and probably preferable.

Antioch wrote:
One last question.
Concerning Lebanon. Lebanon is divided into districts which in turn belong to governorates.
In the case of Zouk Mosbeh for example, which is the way to go?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zouk_Mosbeh
Location1: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane District, Mount Lebanon Governorate
Location2: Zouk Mosbeh, Kesrouane, Mount Lebanon Governorate
And (Tripoli), which is the correct way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli,_Lebanon
Location1: Tripoli, Tripoli District, North Governorate
Location2: Tripoli, Tripoli, North Governorate
Location3: Tripoli, North Governorate (thus omitting the district as it has the same name)

Use the most top or first level region name. So in this case the districts would be omitted because they are second level region names, and thus the governorates would be used.
ex. Zouk Mosbeh, Mount Lebanon
ex. Tripoli, North

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I'm asking too many questions, aren't I?

Nah, this is always welcome. It's why this thread is here. Questions and discussion.
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I dunno if there's an official rule for it, but I always hear Brazilians say it the way most Americans do (at least I remember it from Washington a lot to distinguish from the capital): "Rio de Janeiro state" or "Sao Paulo state" instead of "State of Rio de Janeiro" or "State of Sao Paulo".
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Dunno much about it either, but that's what Google Maps said.

Deri, thank you so much for your time. All is clear now and I can adapt this to other countries. Cheers. I'll trouble you with one more thing, and this may come handy in the OP as well. Dunno.
When a band moves to another country, but their old location was set to N/A (i.e. no known place of origin except for the country itself), which is correct?
This: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anklet/3540448569
Or this: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Luay_Rifai/54806
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Antioch wrote:
When a band moves to another country, but their old location was set to N/A (i.e. no known place of origin except for the country itself), which is correct?
This: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anklet/3540448569
Or this: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Luay_Rifai/54806
Thanks again.

The second one is fine, and more clear I think.
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Alright, so I was thinking a bit more about 'city states'.

When it comes to our policy on 'city states', the idea behind it is that it's redundant to include the region if it's the exact same name AND if the city itself makes up the vast majority of the region. This was mainly meant for the more egregious cases, such as with places like Berlin, Hamburg, Vienna, Moscow, etc. It wasn't really meant for regions that include other cities and/or cover a large area.

Now I know some of you may really hate me for this, especially because I may have told you otherwise, and I apologize, but I think moving forward if there's more to the region than the city it shares a name with - if it has other cities in it, for instance - it's best to include the region name for all cities in that region.

I'll clarify this in the OP, and I really hope you all aren't super mad about this change. I just worry that if we don't include the region in these situations, then we lose a sense of clarity there. I'll go through today and work on the already completed countries in the list to reflect this change.

Is this a better policy moving forward?

Antioch: As such, this would mean that the states of Brazil would be included for all cities and that the Syrian Governorates would be included for all cities as well.

EDIT: OP is updated. I've also included a new note on historical locations, as well.
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I've added some of the links to the regions for each country in the OP. Still need to finish it. Will do that soon. Where it says a city has "no region" that means it qualifies as a city state and a region should not be included next to the city name in the location field.

If you have any questions about it please feel free to ask.
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Some quick thoughts and notes...

I took care of Austria, apart from a couple of entries where it's not entirely clear whether the state of Salzburg (lacking any further details) or the city itself (lacking the added region) is meant. Probably mostly or all the latter. I'll have to do some research for those and might post any unresolved cases in here. I also just noticed that a few slashes need spacing and there's probably a few semicolons missing from the first time I went through. Oops. Will have to take care of that later.

About the "at the place" things... I'm generally inclined to use the full name, if it's official and if there doesn't seem to exist a clear overriding English variant. Going with a shortened form seems somehow unencyclopaedic to me. But YMMV.

What is our "escalation process" in general anyway?
1) Widespread and/or official English term; if not applicable go with...
2) Official (full?) endonym; if there is a contradictory or otherwise confusing state of affairs between 1) and 2), defer to...
3) Google Maps

Something like that?

One last thing, I don't think it's been mentioned yet, there are a few cases where the location field is even more vague than a top-level administrative unit (or there is such a unit and the specification is not a place exactly, but a region within that unit). Stuff like "Southern Germany" or "Swabia, Bavaria", "Southern Lower Austria", etc. I also came across one case from Luxembourg that just has what I assume is the river Moselle, which in turn probably refers to the Moselle Valley. I think that in the absence of better information this is fine as long as it complies with the other guidelines.

That's it for now, I'll be back with links to harder nuts to crack at some point. Great job so far, everyone.
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Azmodes wrote:
...entries where it's not entirely clear whether the state of Salzburg (lacking any further details) or the city itself (lacking the added region) is meant.

Left "Antwerp" untouched for now for the same reason. Will do some research, but may take some time.
Will have the same problem when dealing with Utrecht and Groningen (NL).

Derigin wrote:
Historical Locations...it may be relevant and even notable and interesting to include such information in the additional notes for the band/artist/label, especially if they were, say, one of the few bands from East Berlin, or the person was born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, for instance. Use your discretion.

Concerning those three bands:
- https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Godsend/52023
- https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dying_Corpse/29015
- https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Me ... osis/85106
Old location: Dampremy
Changed it to: Charleroi
Dampremy hasn't been an independent municipality since the seventies, i.e. before the bands were founded. It's considered a section (nl. deelgemeente) of Charleroi. It isn't considered an independent town either. A note isn't necessary in this case, correct?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dampremy
- https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deelgemee ... lgi%C3%AB) - Dutch

Edit: Other sources say it's considered a small village. Will get back to this soon. I need to find a proper source.
https://www.routeyou.com/nl-be/location ... 4/dampremy
Changes reverted. My bad.
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Azmodes wrote:
Some quick thoughts and notes...

I took care of Austria, apart from a couple of entries where it's not entirely clear whether the state of Salzburg (lacking any further details) or the city itself (lacking the added region) is meant. Probably mostly or all the latter. I'll have to do some research for those and might post any unresolved cases in here. I also just noticed that a few slashes need spacing and there's probably a few semicolons missing from the first time I went through. Oops. Will have to take care of that later.

Aye. I've run into the same issue when it comes to cities, even in Canada, where it's not sure you're talking about the city or the region. Unfortunately these are cases where more research is probably required. Of course, feel free to use this thread for that purpose, too.

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About the "at the place" things... I'm generally inclined to use the full name, if it's official and if there doesn't seem to exist a clear overriding English variant. Going with a shortened form seems somehow unencyclopaedic to me. But YMMV.

What is our "escalation process" in general anyway?
1) Widespread and/or official English term; if not applicable go with...
2) Official (full?) endonym; if there is a contradictory or otherwise confusing state of affairs between 1) and 2), defer to...
3) Google Maps

Something like that?

I think the idea behind this effort is to try to stick with a single source as much as possible, in this case GM, in order to avoid cases where we need to justify or explain why we chose to do something one way or another (the same reason we often just reference ISO 3166 for country complaints, for instance). In cases where there's uncertainty, or you know it's invalid, then I think in those cases trying to find the widespread or 'official' English term is ideal... though, of course, in a perfect world that would already be the case anyway.

I know you will probably disagree with this Az, but I feel the English short name is perfectly fine in most cases. I'm not too bothered if you want to go for the full "at somewhere" name for a location, either, though it is worth noting that it is normal for some cities to lack that in the widely known English form. It's not necessarily unencyclopaedic; that's just how English is, for good or bad. The inclusion of an "at somewhere" bit to the end of a location doesn't really get in the way of searching that location, whereas a different spelling would certainly, so it's not the biggest deal if it's included or not.

That said, and this is my own personal preference so take it with a grain of salt, but keeping locations and regions simple and concise is probably preferable over necessarily having the full endonym or, as with regions, including the words "Province", "Region", "District", etc. unless totally necessary. Ultimately, including information like that sounds nice from a purely encyclopaedic point of view, but it may end up looking cluttered and could be problematic in situations where you have numerous locations in the field. It's one reason we use United States instead of United States of America. So long as the short form is clear and understandable, then by all means it makes sense to go that route. Again, personal preference, or as you say, YMMV.

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One last thing, I don't think it's been mentioned yet, there are a few cases where the location field is even more vague than a top-level administrative unit (or there is such a unit and the specification is not a place exactly, but a region within that unit). Stuff like "Southern Germany" or "Swabia, Bavaria", "Southern Lower Austria", etc. I also came across one case from Luxembourg that just has what I assume is the river Moselle, which in turn probably refers to the Moselle Valley. I think that in the absence of better information this is fine as long as it complies with the other guidelines.

Aye. That's fine. The ideal will always be to have a city name, and a region that's preferably the top-level administrative (or perhaps in some cases geographic/historical/cultural) region for that country. But, as you said, in the absence of better information it's fine to use what's there, so long as it can comply to the other guidelines here. These are definitely cases requiring research, though, if at all possible. And, maybe in situations where a band is located at a natural landmark, that could be clarified in the band's additional notes, too. If a user is to search for, say, Moselle, they should know why it doesn't show up as a city or region. Just my two cents, there.

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That's it for now, I'll be back with links to harder nuts to crack at some point. Great job so far, everyone.

Amen dude! Keep up the great work as well. It's definitely appreciated. :)

Antioch: We'll wait and see what you have to find out about that location.
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So I have a bit of a dilemma. I've been able to classify all the first-level administrative regions for the countries in the OP with the exception of three: Latvia, North Macedonia, and Slovenia. With all three the highest administrative level is the municipality, which would be redundant to include since they exclusively cover all the cities and immediate suburbs anyway. Keeping in mind that regions not only help to better classify locations, but are useful for instances where you may want to search bands from a certain area of the country, I'm not sure how best to move forward with these cases. Should we bother having regions for them at all, or should we aim for an alternative - perhaps less administrative - way of approaching regions for them?

If we decide to go the latter route, there's a few possibilities. With Latvia, there's the cultural regions, as well as the planning regions and statistical regions. The latter two are the same. With North Macedonia, there are statistical regions, and with Slovenia there are statistical regions. Again, not sure what to do here, if anything. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:46 am 
 

Residual Austrian formatting issues cleaned up.

Here's those vexing Salzburg entries, if anyone wants to have a go:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540404346
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Decorum/3540418668
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fl ... Ages/95035
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... 3540421719
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kharnath/3540456194 (state, telling from the bio on their FB)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pl ... 3540453188
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Soulful/3540432560
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vinsta/3540430783 (I'll contact this guy soon)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Whyokee/119464
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wo ... tiny/73425
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ha ... 3540354014 (V. Wahntraum band, seeing as Karg and Hoffnungstod are/were based in another place in the state it might be that this doesn't refer to the city. I'll probably contact him)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bifr%C3%B6st/69341
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pr ... 3540366661
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Se ... 3540396209 (another V. Wahntraum band)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ae ... 3540399525

And something similar with a Canadian twist: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ic ... 3540317741
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Concerning Belgium. I still have to go through bands from Antwerp, Liège and Namur to see whether it's the city or the province that's meant.

I have some miscellaneous questions, though:
1.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vex/3540335233
Klein-Brabant is a region, not a city or a town, but I thought it'd be better than the province only.

2.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Xeah/17748
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Adustum/3540336058
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sk ... ector/9566
De Kempen (nl) / Campine (French) is also a region that includes parts of the Netherlands as well. Google Maps has the Dutch part of De Kempen listed as "The Kempen". The Belgian part however seems to have no translation, or I don't know how to find it.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+K ... d5.2509499
- I've used "The Kempen" but I really think this one should appear as De Kempen.

3.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oerjgrinder/124280
Shouldn't this band appear as International? They list both France and Belgium on their FB and the French member has been in the band since their inception.
https://www.facebook.com/oerjgrinder

4.
Does this one look good to you?
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... 3540377499
Or should it read like this?
Herzele/Denderleeuw, East Flanders (early); Zottegem/Denderleeuw, East Flanders (mid); Flanders* (later)

*Note that 10 bands or so are listed as being from Flanders. That's a vast part of Belgium, but then I'm keeping it for lack of a more specific location.
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Done with Switzerland apart from:

1) Like Salzburg, Salzburg et al, there are a number of cantons with eponymous capitals making it ambiguous which is meant if there is only one item in the locations field. I'm not going to link to all the bands directly here, since that's quite a list, but here are all the canton/city pairs you can look up through the advanced search (don't confine the search to CoO Switzerland, since there are some international or other artists):
Code:
Lucerne, Zürich, Bern, Schaffhausen, Geneva, St. Gallen, Schwyz, Glarus, Zug, Fribourg, Solothurn, Neuchâtel


2) Basel is a special case of the previous issue. There's two cantons, one called Basel-Stadt (Basel(-)City), a tiny region that contains the city of Basel itself and two smaller municipalities, the other Basel-Landschaft (Basel-Country), which is larger. The problem here is that Google Maps refers to the former as Basel City and to the latter by its German name, while Wikipedia lists both with the German name. From what I could find through some tentative googling, "Basel-Country" doesn't seem to be overridingly widespread as an English variant, so I'd say going with GM on this one is fine. Searching for "Basel City" on the other hand is a bit tricky since most results are just about the city of Basel itself, not the canton. But hey, GM's function here is to resolve ambiguities and provide a clear source if there are different forms, so I guess "Basel City" it is. I suppose I'm just a bit annoyed that we'd have one English and one German toponym for these related regions. Any thoughts?

Related, I'd argue that any instances on MA of simply "Basel" in the location can be changed to "Basel, Basel City" (or whichever), since the name without any qualifier never seems to refer to either of the cantons (and furthermore it's likely that in the majority of these types of cases people were just adding the city and didn't bother to include the province).

3) Technically, the canton names are all of the form "Kanton/Canton de/Cantone dei/Chantun XYZ" or "Canton of XYZ" in English, but GM doesn't include that (not as part of the proper name anyway) and it seems rather redundant to me. So I chose to omit it. Anyone disagree?
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Luxembourg is done, except for:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... 3540375385
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... 3540439169
There's at least two places with that name, in different cantons.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... eed/126367
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Black_Candle/4035
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lifeless/22841
Canton or town/city/etc.?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:16 am 
 

Hi,
i'm with Portugal, but i have a little problem, in Portugal all regions have the name of the biggest city in that region so if the band is from the biggest city we omit the region name, but if we don't know wich city is the band but we know the region we put the region, in both cases the information will be the same but isn't correct.
example for Lisbon city, Lisbon region
the band is from Lisbon city
City Name, Region Name : Lisbon
the band belongs to the region but the location is unknow
City Name, Region Name : Lisbon

We add the word "district" to second case?

Other thing the band Yar (https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Yar/3540338098) says Ukraine (early), Portugal (later), we should change the country to Ukraine?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:57 pm 
 

I'm just on a work trip until tomorrow, so I'll update the thread OP tomorrow (and maybe clean it up just a bit for the sake of clarity). So don't be alarmed if I haven't updated the completed countries yet or the list of locations in need of more research. I should have that done tomorrow night.

MOS: The only time we omit the region name is if it shares the name of a city in that region AND the city itself makes up the vast majority of the region; I've clarified in the OP (wherever I say "X has no region") where that seems to be the case. Otherwise, it's included even if it's the same name. So it would be Lisbon, Lisbon if you know it's from the city of Lisbon. In cases where you know the band is from the region of Lisbon but there's no known city, then putting Lisbon District is perfectly fine. The ideal is that someday, hopefully, we can actually have a city within the Lisbon District for the band. But for the time being, we have no other option.

Az: Regarding Basel-Stadt and Basel-Landschaft... I'm fine if an exception is made here to keep the German toponyms for both. The occasional deviation from GM is fine, so long as it can be justified, accounted for in this thread (for future reference), and doesn't lose its searchability. People looking up Basel, for instance, won't be lost if it's clear which Basel you're referring to. Likewise, as is the case with the "at somewhere" locations, the inclusion of the "at somewhere" bit doesn't change the ability to search for the band, since if you're, say, searching for Frankfurt you will still find Frankfurt even if it's named Frankfurt am Main. GM is more of a guideline when it comes to what constitutes a city and the spelling, not so much when there's discrepancies or variant forms that don't alter the ability to search and understand the name of the location in English. Does that make sense?

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3) Technically, the canton names are all of the form "Kanton/Canton de/Cantone dei/Chantun XYZ" or "Canton of XYZ" in English, but GM doesn't include that (not as part of the proper name anyway) and it seems rather redundant to me. So I chose to omit it. Anyone disagree?

No problem with me. You don't have to include the full form if you don't want to. In fact, I've just been using the short form, even if it does seem strange at times, because I know if we have a long list of locations in the field that spelling out "Canton of XYZ" numerous times becomes redundant. Much like how in Canada we'd just refer to a place as "British Columbia" instead of "Province of British Columbia." Again, it's up to you all what you feel is best, but keeping it simple and concise is probably preferable.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:48 am 
 

Hi guys, I would like to help.

I want to go with my country first, Thailand. It almost looks complete now but there are dozen of bands that don't have a location, and many of them are old or obscure. So, I need to do some research.
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Sounds good, EpicDismemberment. I put you as the one assigned to Thailand.

The thread OP should be updated. Let me know if I missed anything in the country lists.
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Hey, Derigin. I want to help too, assign me any country.

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Derigin wrote:
Az: Regarding Basel-Stadt and Basel-Landschaft... I'm fine if an exception is made here to keep the German toponyms for both. The occasional deviation from GM is fine, so long as it can be justified, accounted for in this thread (for future reference), and doesn't lose its searchability. People looking up Basel, for instance, won't be lost if it's clear which Basel you're referring to. Likewise, as is the case with the "at somewhere" locations, the inclusion of the "at somewhere" bit doesn't change the ability to search for the band, since if you're, say, searching for Frankfurt you will still find Frankfurt even if it's named Frankfurt am Main. GM is more of a guideline when it comes to what constitutes a city and the spelling, not so much when there's discrepancies or variant forms that don't alter the ability to search and understand the name of the location in English. Does that make sense?

Sounds good. I guess Switzerland can be scratched off the list then and the few ambiguous cases added to the other one.
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If a band has original members come from same location, but somehow got a new member that come from different location. Should it be written in the location field as:

City Name (early), City Name/City Name (later)
(eg. Bangkok (early), Bangkok/Nonthaburi (later))

or else?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:43 pm 
 

Yes. Also remember to follow the proper punctuation and region rules in the OP.

So in that case it would be:
Bangkok (early); Bangkok / Nonthaburi, Nonthaburi (later)
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About Polish bands and their locations / regions. TheStormIRide gives adjectives, not the proper region's name:

- Silesian; should be Silesia: https://www.diki.pl/slownik-angielskiego?q=Silesia
- Masovian; should be Masovia or Mazovia: https://www.diki.pl/slownik-angielskiego?q=Mazowsze

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... ond/119857
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aberration/36386

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Az informed him, and he said he'll go back and fix 'em. Added a note about it in the OP. Thanks for the help you're giving with the locations for Poland, as well. :)
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