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Subrick
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:27 pm 
 

The whole Bernie misogynism thing will ultimately be seen as what killed her 2020 run. All it did was make people disappointed and distrustful of Warren and support Bernie even more after what was viewed as a completely unnecessary attack on him.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:37 am 
 

I dunno, there's a lot of factors going on with the Warren campaign that make it feel like it was a doomed crusade from the beginning, even going back to 2016. She was encouraged by Bernie to run but then didn't, so he stepped in, then she waited til it was a foregone conclusion to back Hillary who ends up losing. She picks up a bunch of Hillary staffers for 2020 and then halfheartedly attempts a bunch of dirty tricks and doubles down on the redface nonsense when it comes up again and again. She's been a pretty successful person in her life thus far in her various careers and all, but since stepping into the national political spotlight everything she does just more and more makes her look like a chump and a pawn in others' machinations. Her whole candidate schtick was that she is the gal with a million plans, but when is the last time anyone cared about any of them? The Bernie thing obviously makes her less popular with Bernie fans, but ever since she got peak media push at the start of all this she's just been getting less popular with everyone. Her downfall as a candidate is destined to be eclipsed by Biden's downfall, though, I think.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm 
 

I had a fairly neutral view of Warren up until recently. However, the more exposure I've had to her, the worse I've begun to feel about her. The Native American lie, the Bernie stuff, etc. She seems to be fine with employing pretty gross tactics to try and get ahead. She's also proven that she doesn't hold up well to the types of bullying and attacks that Trump uses.

Don't get me wrong, she's still light years ahead of people like Pete or Biden in my eyes - but I do think she has some serious issues (this new issue too) that make me question her motives and electability.

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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:10 am 
 

failsafeman wrote:
Oh my god, is Cynical a Trump supporter now? Is Falco too? This is rich.


Fell into the rabbit hole of scrolling back through this topic tonight. Can't speak to Cynical, but I can definitely confirm that Falco is not a Trump supporter.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:13 am 
 

Kinda OT but is Falco still a Nazi?

The worst part about Warren beyond her potentially racist campaign (and personal history), her despicable attempts to sabotage Bernie for NO reason, her repeated hedging on universal healthcare and her frankly appalling foreign policy is simply that I can't possibly see her beating Trump. Despite my dislike for him, I do think Biden could actually beat Trump, at least more assuredly than most of the other candidates.

A vote for Warren (or Butthead, who'd also get rinsed) is a vote for Trump. Remember this.
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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:59 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
Kinda OT but is Falco still a Nazi?


She is not.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:00 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
Despite my dislike for him, I do think Biden could actually beat Trump, at least more assuredly than most of the other candidates.


You are a no malarkey lying, dog-faced pony soldier if you believe that. It would be hilarious to see Biden in a debate with Trump since Joe is visibly losing sanity on a weekly basis. Please, please let him be the Dem nominee.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:16 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
Kinda OT but is Falco still a Nazi?


She is not.

Can honestly say this is the most interesting development in the almost 20 years I've been posting/lurking here. I've always had a silent reverence for Falconsbane, probably the only ANUS-ite that could actually back up their worldview articulately here. They actually got me into Nokturnal Mortum and wrote an excoriating takedown of G.W. Bush from the right that I sent to a couple of friends. Nice to hear they've moved past the ethno nationalist stuff in favor of something more inclusive.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:43 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
Kinda OT but is Falco still a Nazi?


She is not.


Falconsbane is both female and... no longer a Nazi?

We have fallen through the looking glass here, people.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:13 pm 
 

Biden has now slid into 5th place in New Hampshire polls (though I doubt that's where he'll finish after the vote). I hope we get a big Bernie win and a big Pete drop-off from his Iowa performance.

Also, as the debate over Pete's nickname(s) took place this weekend, I found it rather funny that Vermin Supreme has shown back up in New Hampshire, blocking Pete's car and chanting "Boot Head Head" at him. In a world of serious political discussion, I'm glad I can still find some silly humor out there...

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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:26 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
Kinda OT but is Falco still a Nazi?


She is not.

Can honestly say this is the most interesting development in the almost 20 years I've been posting/lurking here. I've always had a silent reverence for Falconsbane, probably the only ANUS-ite that could actually back up their worldview articulately here. They actually got me into Nokturnal Mortum and wrote an excoriating takedown of G.W. Bush from the right that I sent to a couple of friends. Nice to hear they've moved past the ethno nationalist stuff in favor of something more inclusive.


To be fair, this is sort of an Obi Wan/Ben Kenobi sitch for me. ;-)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:03 pm 
 

Musick wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
Despite my dislike for him, I do think Biden could actually beat Trump, at least more assuredly than most of the other candidates.


You are a no malarkey lying, dog-faced pony soldier if you believe that. It would be hilarious to see Biden in a debate with Trump since Joe is visibly losing sanity on a weekly basis.

Trump is perhaps the one person in politics who is even more sundowning and incoherent than Joe Biden. Choice cuts just off the top of my head:
- Washed up psycho Bette Midler
- Politically correct automobile companies
- I JUST GOT IMPEACHED FOR A PERFECT PHONE CALL!!
- If Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!).
- United Arab Air Matresses

I hate Biden and would prefer anyone but Pete over him, but Trump won on a razor's edge last time and Biden would perform strongly with blacks and rust belt/union folks which is exactly why Hillary lost.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:35 pm 
 

Trump and Biden are equally sundowning and both are leaking brain fluid from every orifice, but the problem is that that hurts Joe whereas it doesn't make Trump's supporters question him at all. Not fair, but thems the breaks. People (on both sides mind) never hold conservatives and reactionaries to the same mental, moral, philosophical, or physical standards that they hold liberals and socialists to. In what would seemingly be an "even" match up, Trump gets an automatic bonus for not being required to say, believe, or do things that actually make sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:09 pm 
 

Iowa Democratic Party Attorney On the Iowa caucus shenanigans: "The incorrect math on the Caucus Math Worksheets must not be changed to ensure the integrity of the process." Fuck democracy, I guess.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:48 pm 
 

Trashy_Rambo wrote:
Iowa Democratic Party Attorney On the Iowa caucus shenanigans: "The incorrect math on the Caucus Math Worksheets must not be changed to ensure the integrity of the process." Fuck democracy, I guess.


I actually thought this was going to happen on caucus night (just not to this magnitude). When I was following the coverage, I was listening to coverage on NPR and then watched the CNN coverage later in the night and noticed several instances of the hosts trying to show people what the caucus was and how it worked - and there were a handful of instances where it was clear that the caucus goers and staff had different thoughts on how it was supposed to work. You take the 4-5 times that we could actually see it and multiply it exponentially across the other caucuses that didn't have media covering them and it's no surprise that this nonsense is still going on today... Time to get rid of caucuses for good!

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And in terms of the Trump/Biden discussion - Mellifleur really nailed it... It doesn't matter what Trump says/does, his core doesn't care and thinks that it's just "the libs" out to get him. Joe Biden isn't afforded that - and on top of left-leaning voters' concerns, right-leaning people (including Trump) will demolish him with attacks just like they did with the Hillary healther stuff.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:09 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
failsafeman wrote:
Oh my god, is Cynical a Trump supporter now? Is Falco too? This is rich.

Fell into the rabbit hole of scrolling back through this topic tonight. Can't speak to Cynical, but I can definitely confirm that Falco is not a Trump supporter.

Well I'm sure you've had no problems reconciling your former views with your current ones.
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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:25 pm 
 

failsafeman wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
failsafeman wrote:
Oh my god, is Cynical a Trump supporter now? Is Falco too? This is rich.

Fell into the rabbit hole of scrolling back through this topic tonight. Can't speak to Cynical, but I can definitely confirm that Falco is not a Trump supporter.

Well I'm sure you've had no problems reconciling your former views with your current ones.


Dunno about that. They're pretty incommensurate viewpoints. I can't say I don't occasionally slip down well-worn mental pathways, witness that dumbfuck gulag tangent I went off on a couple weeks back. In fairness, my levels were way off and we didn't catch it until my last round of labs. Get my biochemistry wonky enough and I can definitely still get real crazy. I'm trying to sit on that shit, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:32 am 
 

Even the most hardcore authoritarian tankie is better than a milquetoast austerity defender.
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That's only because they're not in power or large numbers, but tankies are crazy...
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I think she was trying to say that she was feeling unwell and didn't mean that comment/was trolling at the time.

(But of course she took like 100 words to say that much, because I guess the ANUSite in her still lives :P)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:09 am 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
That's only because they're not in power or large numbers

Mostly that's what I mean, but they at least have an infrastructure to combat climate change, unlike everyone in the center. Fascists do too but their method is arguably even worse than letting everyone die.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:23 am 
 

Morrigan wrote:
I think she was trying to say that she was feeling unwell and didn't mean that comment/was trolling at the time.


This probably isn't the time and place for deep discussion of rhetorical strategies so I'll try to be brief (ha!), but I've honestly never thought of what I do as trolling. I don't provoke for the sake of provocation, or just to see people hop. I provoke because I think it can make people actually account for their unexamined prejudices, because it shifts the rhetorical battlefield, or, most often, because it satisfies my obscure emotional need to howl at the universe. Your mileage may vary, and I'm a crazy bitch (as is well-known).

But yes, that is the essence of what I was trying to convey.

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(But of course she took like 100 words to say that much, because I guess the ANUSite in her still lives :P)


Oh I was like this before I ever encountered prozak and his joyless kingdom. Can't blame him for this one.

It was 71 words, by the way; I counted (bless my autistic little heart ;-)).


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:24 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
Unorthodox wrote:
That's only because they're not in power or large numbers

Mostly that's what I mean, but they at least have an infrastructure to combat climate change, unlike everyone in the center. Fascists do too but their method is arguably even worse than letting everyone die.


I've met like three honest-to-god tankies, and they don't have an infrastructure to combat anything. It's more in the nature of a LARP as far as I can tell.

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Yeah, I've met a handful of tankies and none of them were involved in any actual activism at all (not even union stuff, geez). The people who get really into that, and folks who obsess over "tendencies" in general, really do come off like they are roleplaying more than anything else. It's usually folks who are educated and know lots of minutia of marxist theory and its history but haven't actually put that knowledge to any practical application, thus their purity tests that result in having to bend over backwards to explain why Hoxha was right about everything or whatever. It's dumb. I think they have this arcane, esoteric knowledge and are enamored of the aesthetic of certain historical regimes, so this is the way they are able to feel ok with living in capitalist totality. Not a fan myself, but I think they are basically harmless when compartmentalized.

I do feel for them on a certain level, since some of the things they point out are actually true. It is actually true that the crimes of historical socialist regimes are exagerated in the history we are taught and the crimes of capitalist regimes are minimized. It is true that every bad thing that happens in socialist regimes are assumed to be caused solely by the socialist system while systemic issues in the capitalist system are routinely blamed on individual moral failings. It's true that the good things accomplished in socialist regimes are glossed over. And it's true that it is incredibly tiresome to have disingenuous capitalists beat you over the head with "Stalin bad" while they refuse to hear any historical context or even accept that capitalism has a death toll. It's frustrating and makes it kinda liberating to just turn around and say "off to the gulag with you, booshie!" Still though, like I was saying before with Biden and Trump, while it's not fair that capitalists don't get held to the same moral and philosophical standards as socialists, we have to hold ourselves to those higher standards or we just aren't the leftists we claim to be, fun as it may be to just be an a-hole! :D

So, imo Tankies should really take a note from the little red book: "Where do correct ideas come from? Do they drop from the skies? No. Are they innate in the mind? No. They come from social practice and from it alone. They come from three kinds of social practice: the struggle for production, the class struggle and scientific experiment." So get off revleft, talk to regular people, and join your local BLM chapter or something.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:50 pm 
 

Bernie currently leads in NH at 27%. Pete and Klobuchar are at 23.8 and 19.8 respectively. Warren and Biden sit at 9.4 and 8.5.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:54 pm 
 

New Hampshire primary is pretty interesting tonight (and a lot more fun to watch than the Iowa fuck-up). Bernie very clearly running in first, which I'm pumped about, and Pete showing he has a real base of support - but holy wow, Amy Klobuchar in third and the only other candidate to leave New Hampshire with any delegates!? CNN called it "Klomentum". :lol:

I'm pretty surprised! I figured you'd have Warren (and potentially Biden) ahead of her so really made a statement tonight. Biden's campaign must be punching the panic button over and over again at this point. With Pete and Klobuchar making huge strides in the moderate lane, Bloomberg showing up on the debate stage next week and Bernie ticking up with black and Latinx voters - it sure seems like the Biden presidency is becoming further from reach.

I also really liked Klobuchar's speech tonight too. I'm Bernie all the way but I think that she comes across much more likable and real than either Biden or Pete. That said, I don't know much about her record as a prosecutor so learning about that is usually what kills candidates in my eyes...

Yang and Bennett call it quits. Somehow Tom Steyer is soldiering onward....

After Iowa, it finally feels like the race is underway now.

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Bingewolf wrote:
That said, I don't know much about her record as a prosecutor so learning about that is usually what kills candidates in my eyes...


There were more than 2 dozen officer-involved shootings while she was head of the Hennepin County Attorneys Office, and she declined to prosecute any of them.
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I can't say I'm a fan of the type of person who thinks it's ok to throw things at the people who work for them...

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Trashy_Rambo wrote:
Bingewolf wrote:
That said, I don't know much about her record as a prosecutor so learning about that is usually what kills candidates in my eyes...


There were more than 2 dozen officer-involved shootings while she was head of the Hennepin County Attorneys Office, and she declined to prosecute any of them.


And there you go! Thanks for giving me the important info - saves time. ACAB.

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Bernie won. I would honestly be okay with Klobuchar winning the nom. She's not my candidate and I don't like her Obamaesque policies but she's objectively better than Ratboy in every way, and unlike Ratboy and Warren I could see her beating Trump handily in a general. Keep up the Klomenton and for fucks sake, vote for her over Pete, libs.
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Hey guess what? Trump basically just admitted to doing the thing that got him impeached.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics ... index.html

Trump learned exactly one lesson from all this, and that is the Nixon lesson: When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.
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Trump is circulating a draft executive order mandating that all new or reconstructed federal buildings be built in the neoclassical style. Now where have I heard this before?

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While I agree that most modern design is cold and bland compared to the classics - just look at Ottawa’s problem trying to expand the Chateau Laurier with butt-fugly newfangled crap - I think that if Trump cares about this so much, he should ask the people for their input rather than slapping down a diktat.

Some good news here though: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/1 ... ill-114815 Congress reaffirming their sole power to declare war, even against Iran! Now this doesn’t address the 20+ year old tradition of waging undeclared war with missile strikes all over the place, but it’s something.
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severzhavnost wrote:
While I agree that most modern design is cold and bland compared to the classics - just look at Ottawa’s problem trying to expand the Chateau Laurier with butt-fugly newfangled crap - I think that if Trump cares about this so much, he should ask the people for their input rather than slapping down a diktat.

Some good news here though: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/1 ... ill-114815 Congress reaffirming their sole power to declare war, even against Iran! Now this doesn’t address the 20+ year old tradition of waging undeclared war with missile strikes all over the place, but it’s something.


The US has been going to war for 70 years without any formal Congressional declarations of war, dating all the way back to Korea.

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Yeah, it is probably symbolic and useless. Well I was in a good mood for a minute :|
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severzhavnost wrote:
Yeah, it is probably symbolic and useless. Well I was in a good mood for a minute :|


Sorry. Didn't mean to piss on the parade.

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Tulsi tried adding additional provisions to an earlier version of the 2020 military budget but that got removed from the final version. Even if it’s just a useless gesture, it’s made even more so like 8 months after that rejection.

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I'm kinda with trump on the architecture thing. I'll bet if you went to the folks who are criticizing it they would almost to a person prefer traditional style buildings to glass rectangles and featureless concrete slabs if you asked them about it outside of the context of Trump. He does have the weird ability to make people become very opinionated on topics they've never had an opinion before. At least he expressed this desire in his usual obnoxious way so I can still call him stupid. :D
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Mellifleur wrote:
I'm kinda with trump on the architecture thing. I'll bet if you went to the folks who are criticizing it they would almost to a person prefer traditional style buildings to glass rectangles and featureless concrete slabs if you asked them about it outside of the context of Trump. He does have the weird ability to make people become very opinionated on topics they've never had an opinion before. At least he expressed this desire in his usual obnoxious way so I can still call him stupid. :D


I can't say I love brutalism, either. Almost no one does except old school urban planners. But everything doesn't need to look like it was built to house Caesar's trophies, either (especially when Caesar ain't got no trophies).

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Mellifleur
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:29 am 
 

Yeah, it would be boring if every building looked like the Parthenon, and not all modern buildings are bad either. I just find it funny that Trump has become the instigator of a conversation about architecture and urban planning and the psychology of buildings and whatnot when we all know that the only reason he likes the neoclassical style is because those buildings are BIGLY huge and made of stone which is SO STRONG! :lol:
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