Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Message board

* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 



Reply to topic
Author Message Previous topic | Next topic
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 5159
Location: United States
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:33 pm 
 

UtUmNo1 wrote:
Unorthodox wrote:
Trumps approval rating is currently skyrocketing. We'll see how long it lasts, but not a good trend.


People being able to put aside partisan politics in a time of crisis and supporting the actions of your country’s democratically elected president is not a good trend?

Strange times indeed.

Trump's decisions to: not do early testing because he didn't want to spook the markets and thus hurt his reelection, axe the Pandemic Response Unit "because we're not using it" and cut the CDC budget by like 80% will lead directly to the deaths of thousands if not millions of Americans.

But you're right, we should set aside partisan politics and come together as citizens of the USA to put this monster in front of the same tribunal as Timothy McVeigh.
_________________
ambientsorrow wrote:
Pretty rubbish, I must say. Certainly not worth the hype behind it. Boring and predictable. A band for 14-22 year olds.

Top
 Profile  
insanewayne253
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:04 am
Posts: 118
Location: United States
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:54 pm 
 

Keep in mind, his numbers should be higher for this, but they're not (not even cracking 50%) which tells me it's more a skin rash than an actual bump. Once the economic aftermath is finally realized, there's nowhere to go but down. Hold onto your butts.

Top
 Profile  
Morrigan
Crone of War

Joined: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:27 am
Posts: 9951
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:14 pm 
 

Gonna be great to see debates between two senile rapists. Seriously, America...

UtUmNo1 wrote:
People being able to put aside partisan politics in a time of crisis and supporting the actions of your country’s democratically elected president is not a good trend?

Strange times indeed.

Are you fucking kidding me? Trump deserves approval for repeatedly downplaying the epidemic, repeatedly lying and peddling misinformation, then later taking credit for knowing how serious it was all along, and refusing to take responsibility, then taking the worst possible decisions constantly and endangering the population?

I am so sick of you moronic Trump trolls. You ain't slick.
_________________
Von Cichlid wrote:
I work with plenty of Oriental and Indian persons and we get along pretty good, and some females as well.

Markeri, in 2013 wrote:
a fairly agreed upon date [of the beginning of metal] is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Top
 Profile  
Earthcubed
The Great Fearmonger

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:44 am
Posts: 3859
Location: Ubique
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:24 pm 
 

I will be a bit surprised if Trump bothers to attend any debates, regardless of who the nominee is. They aren't legally required and his team knows he can get all the airtime he wants elsewhere.
_________________
iamntbatman wrote:
On Friday I passed an important milestone in my teaching career: a student shat himself

FloristOfVampyrism wrote:
That wasn't meant as a k.o. though, he specifically targeted an area of the cerebellum which, if ruptured, renders you a Jehovah's witness indefinitely

Top
 Profile  
Burnyoursins
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:59 am
Posts: 1085
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:59 pm 
 

UtUmNo1 wrote:
Unorthodox wrote:
Trumps approval rating is currently skyrocketing. We'll see how long it lasts, but not a good trend.


People being able to put aside partisan politics in a time of crisis and supporting the actions of your country’s democratically elected president is not a good trend?

Strange times indeed.


This is just colossally stupid of you. There's nothing partisan about recognizing that due to DIRECT actions by your president, America's ability to fight this pandemic has been seriously, seriously hampered and a lot of people are going to die as a result. Get your head out of your ass.
_________________
My last.fm:
http://www.last.fm/user/OurFatherChaos

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
SleightOfVickonomy wrote:
...no one still knows what it's supposed to be about.

Well, I reckon there's a pretty good chance it'll be about gory tits.

Top
 Profile  
Unorthodox
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:08 pm
Posts: 1695
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:08 pm 
 

Yeah, I didn't want to respond to him because the guy is clearly setting himself up as an internet punching bag, but yikes...
_________________
Last.fm

Top
 Profile  
GuntherTheUndying
Crimson King, Eater of Worlds

Joined: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:36 pm
Posts: 2798
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:13 pm 
 

I hope, once this all blows over, that those of us in America carefully review the mishaps and peddling of insane narratives (concern over the outbreak was a "Democratic hoax" and an attempt to "undermine the president") regarding the virus and its explosion in the US. You have to be stupid to believe this is being handled properly by Trump. The facts are clear as day, and while I know the Trumptards like to misdirect or shift the blame, they can't now. That trick is out of the playbook. I sincerely hope the outbreak will pass and life will return to normal, but it ain't looking good. Hopefully Trump supporters flip sides and the politically apathetic take note of this gross incompetence and go to the polls in November. Wishful thinking, but hey, a dude can dream.
_________________
Ismetal wrote:
GuntherTheUndying IS THE GAY NUMBER 1, HE DOESNT LIKE TO READ THE TRUTH, SO I THINK THIS PAGE IS FOR GAYS WHO WANTS TO READ MESSAGES LIKE "I LOVE MY BAND", "THEY ARE MY LOVE"

Thrashpit
Last FM! - New Profile!

Top
 Profile  
megalowho
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:33 am
Posts: 554
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:11 pm 
 

To hazard a guess re. Trump's approval spike...

Maybe the bar had simply sunk so low that it was simply a matter for Trump to, like...not do this? -

Spoiler: show
Image


Anywho... Hope you all are staying safe, as much as possible. I expect that nobody's network of friends, associates, loved ones will be totally unscathed. :(

Top
 Profile  
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 5159
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:28 pm 
 

If you want to be even more macabre, at least 10% of his voting base will be pushing up daisies by November, and probably a whole hell of a lot more. Of course this means we get President "finger rape" Biden, but his VP pick will be pretty awesome at least.
_________________
ambientsorrow wrote:
Pretty rubbish, I must say. Certainly not worth the hype behind it. Boring and predictable. A band for 14-22 year olds.

Top
 Profile  
insanewayne253
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:04 am
Posts: 118
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:23 pm 
 

The thing with the Tara Reade stuff (cited by electoral-vote) and it's kind of my sentiments..

Spoiler: show
It does not appear to be centrally coordinated; in fact, it started on one end of the political spectrum and then jumped to the other. The story didn't gain traction, despite the fact that many mainstream outlets took a look at it. Here are some guesses as to why:

•The "#MeToo Moment" Has Passed: There was a period of time there, right after the Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby stories broke, that the mere whiff of sexual impropriety was career-ending. Perhaps the most obvious person caught up in this was former senator Al Franken, who was compelled to resign his office before an investigation could be conducted. It is the case that sexual assault claims are taken much more seriously these days than they used to be, as well they should. But we seem to have exited the time in which a mere accusation was seen as proof of guilt.


•Is Reade Trustworthy?: The general progression of events does not increase confidence in Reade's account. The first problem is that she didn't tell anyone at the time that she was assaulted, and she did not come forward with the story until a quarter-century had passed. Second, she came forward previously, and was one of the women who accused Biden of inappropriate hugging/touching, but didn't mention anything beyond that. Third, she has been an outspoken anti-Biden and pro-Sanders voice on social media (and, in fact, when she made the assault allegations, she did so to a staunchly left-leaning website, The Intercept). None of this proves she is lying, but it certainly does raise some concerns about her veracity and her motivations.


•Out of Character for Biden: There is no question that Biden grew up with a 1950s/1960s sense of boundaries, a sense out of step with where we're at today. But, unlike Bill Clinton, Brett Kavanaugh, Michael Wiener, and other plausibly accused alleged perpetrators of sexual assault, Biden's never been associated with any misconduct beyond that. There is a huge chasm between "inappropriate hug" and "violent sexual assault." It's highly unusual for someone to jump over that chasm with no intermediate/gateway steps. It's even more unusual for it to happen exactly one time. And thus far, nobody else has come forward with claims like Reade's.


•Right Wing Framing: After The Intercept ran the story, right-wing media grabbed it and ran with it. Interestingly, most of them had a headline or a lead that included the formulation "Joe Biden Said He Believes All Women. Does He Believe Tara Reade?" That's a very unusual framing, one that downplays the more serious crime of sexual assault, and plays up Biden's alleged hypocrisy (which is, of course, not a crime). Framing things in that way certainly makes it seem like even the right-wingers don't really think Biden assaulted Reade, and instead they're trying to use this as a "gotcha."


•Going to the Well Too Many Times: Shamefully, a number of folks (most commonly hacky right-wing operatives) have tried to use 100% fabricated claims of sexual misconduct to smear political opponents. The most notable case of this is probably the comically inept Jacob Wohl, who tried to smear special counsel Robert Mueller in this manner, and then tried it again with Pete Buttigieg. This has undoubtedly put the idea in people's minds that when a sexual assault claim seems like in might fail the smell test, it might just be a political hit job.

Anyhow, these are our guesses. We think it's instructive that Donald Trump has yet to deploy this against Biden. If there was any chance it could stick, and was going to become an element of the 2020 campaign, surely the President would have tossed it out there already.

And yes, propaganda is best ignored.

Top
 Profile  
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 5159
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:30 pm 
 

Reade was all-in for Warren before switching to Sanders after Warren dropped out, so she's not a Bernie Bro who wants her boy to win at all cost. I also have been a fan for years of both Ryan Grim and Katie Halper and they decidedly would not run with a story like this if it didn't smell right.

That right-wing media is using this to pummel Biden is irrelevant, their broken clock still nails it twice a day. And Trump will 100% use this attack, have people already forgotten how Trump used Bill to attack Hillary? Of course it's pure hypocrisy the orange rape ogre is cynically weaponizing an alleged rape, but that's the point. The goal isn't to convince people to vote for him, it's to demotivate his opponent's supporters. And it worked marvelously in 2016.

And the MSM is stone silent on this just as they were with Hillary's emails... until the primary was fully wrapped up, then they hammered on the emails almost as much as the right. You can goddamn bet they're going to do the same again this time.

It's a fucking train wreck.

EDIT: Arwa Mahdawi wrote a good piece about it for The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... red-claims
_________________
ambientsorrow wrote:
Pretty rubbish, I must say. Certainly not worth the hype behind it. Boring and predictable. A band for 14-22 year olds.

Top
 Profile  
insanewayne253
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:04 am
Posts: 118
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:15 am 
 

The MSM weren't silent on the emails. The emails were being slowly dripped out after being scrutinized by the FBI; the MSM were latching onto them like stink on shit as far back as March of 2016; on top of Trump saying crazy shit just to get a shit ton of hours of free airtime from his rallies.

It's wasn't so much demotivating; more like people believed it was in the bag that HRC would win so not many would turn out. Comey coming out 11 days before the election was also the straw that broke the camel's back for some swing voters as well as a mobilized rural vote in three states; and she still won the popular vote by nearly 3 million. I doubt anyone in 2020 is going to take anything for granted. People are pissed and it's going to get even shittier out there especially after this Covid fiasco.

The right wing media is already using this to try and pummel Biden; they've gone to the well with this type of shit so many times, nobody is going to take them seriously whether the allegations are true or not. Classic case of boy who cried wolf.

Top
 Profile  
Sedition and Pockets
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:29 am
Posts: 499
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:13 am 
 

Could we please stop demanding that survivors of sexual assault live up to amorphous, mythical, and largely unachievable standards of of what a "real survivor" looks or acts like to be believed?
_________________
The Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL)|Our Program/What We Stand For|Liberation News|Join Us

Top
 Profile  
SpiritOfTheForest
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:02 pm
Posts: 676
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:25 pm 
 

It's frustrating that anybody who says anything remotely positive about President Trump is merely a "troll". I'm just a lurker and have been for about 12 years now but there is absolutely no point in posting in this thread because it's very much a "totally outnumbered" situation. This place is the ultimate echo chamber.

I don't even have anything to add to the current conversation other than an observation that as someone who reads every day, it's incredibly irritating to see how one-sided this thread is and every time someone sticks their head above the parapet and comes out in support of the President, they're immediately attacked, ridiculed and, in most cases, banned. The guy above insinuating that it's good that Trump voters are going to die....real classy.

Anyway I'm well aware my opinion holds no weight or clout here, I simply had to voice how frustrating this thread is to read.
_________________
RageW wrote:
So you can recognize them easily. What's the first thing that a name like "Bring Me the Horizon" makes you think of if it's not straightened hair and flamboyant homosexuals whining about angst?

Top
 Profile  
Unorthodox
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:08 pm
Posts: 1695
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:50 pm 
 

SpiritOfTheForest wrote:
It's frustrating that anybody who says anything remotely positive about President Trump is merely a "troll". I'm just a lurker and have been for about 12 years now but there is absolutely no point in posting in this thread because it's very much a "totally outnumbered" situation. This place is the ultimate echo chamber.


I definitely agree that using ad hominems is unproductive and doesn't allow for sides to listen to one another, which is a large reason why I try to stay away from the ad hominems. I live in a purple state where I hear an equal number of right wing and left wing perspectives on the daily (less now than pre-corona, but still), and I've had some incredibly productive conversations with some right wingers. Unfortunately, I definitely think a large part of Trump's base is a conglomerate of misinformed or unintelligent people. Not to say there isn't stupidity or blatant misinformation on the left, that too exists in large numbers, it's just that the politicians they elect really don't embody that same sort of stupidity.

With the misinformed and stupid people, and to an extent with those conversations I've had with right wingers that are unproductive and hopeless, I feel like I'm peeling an onion that is composed of layers of either misinformation or stupidity. Stupid or incorrect thoughts and information layer on top of one another, so that when you peel back one stupid thought or false bit of info all you find is another layer of stupid thoughts or false info that the initial stupid thought or piece of false info treats as a foundation. The basis of reality is so fucking baked into delusion that it's almost impossible to have a rational conversation.
_________________
Last.fm

Top
 Profile  
Morrigan
Crone of War

Joined: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:27 am
Posts: 9951
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:37 pm 
 

"Wahhh stop being mean to Trump trolls", they say, knowing full well that engaging in serious discussion is a complete waste of time because none of these people ever engage in good faith, ever.

This latest whiny post being a prime example. Even as I roasted that moron, I still took the time to throw in a whole bunch of links that exposed the stupidity of his post, but did Spirit acknowledge that whatsoever? Did they address any points being discussed with regards to whether Trump deserves support or not? Nah, just performative pearl-clutching about "tone". Typical.

This is what virtue signalling looks like, folks.
_________________
Von Cichlid wrote:
I work with plenty of Oriental and Indian persons and we get along pretty good, and some females as well.

Markeri, in 2013 wrote:
a fairly agreed upon date [of the beginning of metal] is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Top
 Profile  
alexo666
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:53 am
Posts: 374
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:56 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
"Wahhh stop being mean to Trump trolls", they say, knowing full well that engaging in serious discussion is a complete waste of time because none of these people ever engage in good faith, ever.

This latest whiny post being a prime example. Even as I roasted that moron, I still took the time to throw in a whole bunch of links that exposed the stupidity of his post, but did Spirit acknowledge that whatsoever? Did they address any points being discussed with regards to whether Trump deserves support or not? Nah, just performative pearl-clutching about "tone". Typical.

This is what virtue signalling looks like, folks.


It's not

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

for nothing.
_________________
OneRodeToAsaBay on dating wrote:
I'm never again fucking anyone who doesn't love Judas Priest and that's that.


Last FM

Top
 Profile  
Subrick
Metal freak

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 8741
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:00 pm 
 

Trump now wants things to start reopening by June 1st. There's no way this pandemic will be anywhere close to slowing down by June. The issue with America is that this country is so fucking impatient on everything that the moment it appears that the curve is flattening just a little bit, everyone will think that means it's okay to go back to doing normal stuff again, which will cause the pandemic stateside to get even worse.
_________________
Earthcubed wrote:
I'm just perpetually annoyed by Sean William Scott and he's never been in a movie where I wasn't rooting for his head to sever by strange means.

Blacksoul Seraphim Gothic Doom Metal
Autumn's Ashes Melodic Death/Doom Metal

Top
 Profile  
Burnyoursins
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:59 am
Posts: 1085
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:05 pm 
 

SpiritOfTheForest wrote:
It's frustrating that anybody who says anything remotely positive about President Trump is merely a "troll". I'm just a lurker and have been for about 12 years now but there is absolutely no point in posting in this thread because it's very much a "totally outnumbered" situation. This place is the ultimate echo chamber.

I don't even have anything to add to the current conversation other than an observation that as someone who reads every day, it's incredibly irritating to see how one-sided this thread is and every time someone sticks their head above the parapet and comes out in support of the President, they're immediately attacked, ridiculed and, in most cases, banned. The guy above insinuating that it's good that Trump voters are going to die....real classy.

Anyway I'm well aware my opinion holds no weight or clout here, I simply had to voice how frustrating this thread is to read.


Poor you, eh? All the mean left wingers are oppressing your dumb as horse shit opinion about all the wonderful things Mr. Trump has done. :( Not a single one of you Trump fans has presented a legitimate argument about anything good done by the man that can't be soundly debunked in 4.5 seconds. "Oops, I googled that, and apparently it's total horse shit."
_________________
My last.fm:
http://www.last.fm/user/OurFatherChaos

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
SleightOfVickonomy wrote:
...no one still knows what it's supposed to be about.

Well, I reckon there's a pretty good chance it'll be about gory tits.

Top
 Profile  
SpiritOfTheForest
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:02 pm
Posts: 676
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:10 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
"Wahhh stop being mean to Trump trolls", they say, knowing full well that engaging in serious discussion is a complete waste of time because none of these people ever engage in good faith, ever.

This latest whiny post being a prime example. Even as I roasted that moron, I still took the time to throw in a whole bunch of links that exposed the stupidity of his post, but did Spirit acknowledge that whatsoever? Did they address any points being discussed with regards to whether Trump deserves support or not? Nah, just performative pearl-clutching about "tone". Typical.

This is what virtue signalling looks like, folks.


I'm not whining though Morrigan....my post clearly stated that I am well aware my opinion here holds no weight. But I see given, what I thought was a level-headed and fair post, you already proceeded to throw the barbs and passive-aggressive sentiments. As a Scotsman we pride ourselves on being pretty down to earth and friendly...you just strike me as an all round thoroughly unpleasant person. You know that people can think differently to you and you don't have to be a cunt? I often wonder if you go through real life in this way - as soon as you're told something you dislike you start insulting and throwing your metaphorical shit everywhere like an overgrown baby? Trust me, you would not get very far in my country without a black eye with the attitude you display online if you seriously act like this in the real world. As a neutral reader to this thread though it's pathetic - and you, Morrigan, (utter disgrace to one of my people's ancient Gods), especially are among the most guilty for mouthing off the instant anyone dare disagree with you, like a petulant child. This thread seems akin to screaming profanity into the abyss. I am very happy to read opposing points of view - delighted even - but I don't think many people here realise the extent to this place is an echo chamber.

So no, it's not "wahhhh stop being mean to Trump trolls". It's more like, I would be interested in reading the other side of the argument without the poster being immediately shot down in flames. As I said, I'm a lurker. Maybe it's the quarantine we are under here in Spain but I felt like I had to stand up against this constant bullshit here and just say it ain't cool.
_________________
RageW wrote:
So you can recognize them easily. What's the first thing that a name like "Bring Me the Horizon" makes you think of if it's not straightened hair and flamboyant homosexuals whining about angst?


Last edited by SpiritOfTheForest on Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
SpiritOfTheForest
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:02 pm
Posts: 676
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:12 pm 
 

Burnyoursins wrote:
SpiritOfTheForest wrote:
It's frustrating that anybody who says anything remotely positive about President Trump is merely a "troll". I'm just a lurker and have been for about 12 years now but there is absolutely no point in posting in this thread because it's very much a "totally outnumbered" situation. This place is the ultimate echo chamber.

I don't even have anything to add to the current conversation other than an observation that as someone who reads every day, it's incredibly irritating to see how one-sided this thread is and every time someone sticks their head above the parapet and comes out in support of the President, they're immediately attacked, ridiculed and, in most cases, banned. The guy above insinuating that it's good that Trump voters are going to die....real classy.

Anyway I'm well aware my opinion holds no weight or clout here, I simply had to voice how frustrating this thread is to read.


Poor you, eh? All the mean left wingers are oppressing your dumb as horse shit opinion about all the wonderful things Mr. Trump has done. :( Not a single one of you Trump fans has presented a legitimate argument about anything good done by the man that can't be soundly debunked in 4.5 seconds. "Oops, I googled that, and apparently it's total horse shit."


I'm not even a Trump fan as such - I much preferred him to Clinton and I much prefer him to Biden but the fact you immediately reply to me in such a condescending and outright dickheadish manner doesn't exactly make me reassess my thought processes, just an FYI. There's no need to be a fanny.
_________________
RageW wrote:
So you can recognize them easily. What's the first thing that a name like "Bring Me the Horizon" makes you think of if it's not straightened hair and flamboyant homosexuals whining about angst?

Top
 Profile  
Razakel
Nekroprince

Joined: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:36 pm
Posts: 5722
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:47 pm 
 

"I'm a friendly down to earth guy and you're all cunts who'd get beat up if you ever stepped foot in my country."

Real insightful, man! Really gives us a good impression of "the other side" and encourages the good, civil discussion you're all about. Well done.

Top
 Profile  
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 5159
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:59 am 
 

It's a good thing none of us has ever been vociferously critical of Democrats, and certainly not on this very page, lest we might seem to be criticizing the president because of the shit he says and does (also deffo not referenced directly on this page ), not simply because he's the one saying it.

"Both sides" would make sense if there was a literal dichotomy. Please don't tell me you view politics so simplistically.

Also, 6 paragraphs and you've still managed only to complain generally with nary a shred of a policy or an example that backs up your "trump can be good actually" thesis. Try harder.
_________________
ambientsorrow wrote:
Pretty rubbish, I must say. Certainly not worth the hype behind it. Boring and predictable. A band for 14-22 year olds.

Top
 Profile  
insanewayne253
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:04 am
Posts: 118
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:02 am 
 

Biden isn’t my first choice either but you know his cabinet would be much more competent at handling this crisis.

Top
 Profile  
InnesI
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:19 pm
Posts: 1481
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:35 am 
 

SpiritOfTheForest wrote:
I'm not whining though Morrigan....my post clearly stated that I am well aware my opinion here holds no weight. But I see given, what I thought was a level-headed and fair post, you already proceeded to throw the barbs and passive-aggressive sentiments. As a Scotsman we pride ourselves on being pretty down to earth and friendly...you just strike me as an all round thoroughly unpleasant person. You know that people can think differently to you and you don't have to be a cunt?


Well, I'm no supporter of Trump but this thread encompasses much of what is wrong todays debate. And you see it immediately in the answers you recieved here. People are rude and look down upon others who do not agree with them. Its just a shame that its a moderator/admin that encourages this behaviour.

Now, I'm conservative in the more philosophical way. I dont have much respect for what is called conservative in american politics (or british politics for that matter). And I dont think Trump is very conservative in a traditional sense anyway. So I dont mind critique of the way he handles things. However the shit show that is people promoting their own views and shitting on everybody else is so sad to see.

I'm sure a bunch of people will now use derogatory terms to descibe my mental incapacities because I say this. But hopefully some of those who read this will recognize which people here are mature to try to have a discussion (regardless of if we are right wing, left wing or whatever else). But in general water seeks its own level. Those who are level headed, respectful and polite usually dont get dragged down in shit show while those who have a tendency for that often leans on those kind of arguments even without provocation.

Its quite interesting that here one is easily labeled as stupid because of what people percieve as right wing views. On the other hand I just recently (this past week) got an angry attack on another forum (Flashback) from someone who thought I was part of the left wing that through mass immigration has killed thousands of Europeans according to him. Its tragically funny that people cant take one and two steps back and actually be civil.

This thread is one of those that attracts the worst kind of "discussions". I will gladly answer people who are civil but if they sink to using derogatory words I won't bother because its usually a waste of time. And not just that it creates a hostile discussion from the start and I dont think its worth engaging in to much toxicity.

Top
 Profile  
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 5159
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:58 am 
 

If you could point me towards eloquent, thoughtful and kind Trump supporters in this thread, I'd be curious to see if he (or, uh, she?) was treated as badly as some claim. The closest I can think of a reasonable conversationalist who voted for Trump was capeda, who was later banned for mocking a sexual assault victim.

Pretty much everyone else talked about why separating children from their parents and placing them in detention centers was good, actually, or why kicking the absolute most destitute people in the country off food stamps was for the betterment of society, or just behaved with the netiquette of a WWII widower on Usenet in the early 90's.

I guess Musick would fit the bill alright. Yeah he talked about ending food stamps for the poors but he was at least nice about it.
_________________
ambientsorrow wrote:
Pretty rubbish, I must say. Certainly not worth the hype behind it. Boring and predictable. A band for 14-22 year olds.

Top
 Profile  
Unorthodox
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:08 pm
Posts: 1695
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 am 
 

Subrick wrote:
Trump now wants things to start reopening by June 1st. There's no way this pandemic will be anywhere close to slowing down by June. The issue with America is that this country is so fucking impatient on everything that the moment it appears that the curve is flattening just a little bit, everyone will think that means it's okay to go back to doing normal stuff again, which will cause the pandemic stateside to get even worse.


To be fair this is actually happening right now in China, where kids are now going back to school even though there's still plenty of active cases. And, what do you know, their numbers are starting to go up again (slowly as of when I type this, but still rising).

I think the biggest problem with this pandemic is that the logical solution to the problem literally goes against human nature. We're a communal species that thrives off of the people around us. That's what's kept us alive for thousands of years, that's what our brains are adapted for. We know that we need to distance ourselves from one another, but it isn't good for our mental and emotional health. Not only that, but being trapped in some apartment in a city would drive most people batshit insane. Like, I'm pretty lucky because I currently live in a house surrounded by trees and plenty of space to go outside and do things. I cannot fucking imagine what it must be like living in NYC right now, being cooped up in a small little apartment for weeks on end, with absolutely no idea when everything will end. Same with China (more so actually), or any of those cities in southern Europe.

darkeningday wrote:
Pretty much everyone else talked about why separating children from their parents and placing them in detention centers was good, actually, or why kicking the absolute most destitute people in the country off food stamps was for the betterment of society, or just behaved with the netiquette of a WWII widower on Usenet in the early 90's.


This is an oddly specific analogy :lol:
_________________
Last.fm

Top
 Profile  
Subrick
Metal freak

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 8741
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:11 am 
 

China’s also apparently been lying about their Covid recovery. Whistleblowers said at the beginning of March that the country is nowhere near recovered, and that various businesses have been falsifying electricity consumption numbers and staff attendance logs to give off the appearance of resumption of business again. I totally would not be surprised if people are still getting sick and dying in China and the government is either not testing anyone anymore or actively suppressing results and info from getting out.
_________________
Earthcubed wrote:
I'm just perpetually annoyed by Sean William Scott and he's never been in a movie where I wasn't rooting for his head to sever by strange means.

Blacksoul Seraphim Gothic Doom Metal
Autumn's Ashes Melodic Death/Doom Metal

Top
 Profile  
InnesI
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:19 pm
Posts: 1481
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:26 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
If you could point me towards eloquent, thoughtful and kind Trump supporters in this thread, I'd be curious to see if he (or, uh, she?) was treated as badly as some claim.


I never said I saw one. I think this thread, when I've read it, is full of toxicity from both sides. As someone who doesnt stand on either the democratic or the republican side it is so obvious. And I answered the part of the thread which originated with SpiritOfTheForest post (the one posted 29 Mar 2020 16:25). I thought it was a nice post and that it was well balanced and polite and the replies included calling the other side stupid, moronic, ridiculing, "dumb as horse shit opinion", "poor you" and sentiments of that type. Its just very telling of the general atmosphere.

Top
 Profile  
Curious_dead
Metal newbie

Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:13 pm
Posts: 127
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:34 am 
 

SpiritOfTheForest wrote:
It's frustrating that anybody who says anything remotely positive about President Trump is merely a "troll". I'm just a lurker and have been for about 12 years now but there is absolutely no point in posting in this thread because it's very much a "totally outnumbered" situation. This place is the ultimate echo chamber.

I don't even have anything to add to the current conversation other than an observation that as someone who reads every day, it's incredibly irritating to see how one-sided this thread is and every time someone sticks their head above the parapet and comes out in support of the President, they're immediately attacked, ridiculed and, in most cases, banned. The guy above insinuating that it's good that Trump voters are going to die....real classy.

Anyway I'm well aware my opinion holds no weight or clout here, I simply had to voice how frustrating this thread is to read.


I don't want to pile in on the "poor you" types of answer, but it's pretty telling that your first contribution to the thread is whining about the one-sidedness instead of providing an example of something positive that could be said about Trump. Also, if you think it's frustrating, you don't have to read it. I think the_donald is literal Internet cancer, I don't go there to whine about it's one-sidedness and how reading their shitty opinions make me feel miserable.

But please, do provide something positive about this administration, I'm genuinely curious to see what you consider positive.

Top
 Profile  
Earthcubed
The Great Fearmonger

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:44 am
Posts: 3859
Location: Ubique
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:30 pm 
 

I don't know Spirit, so this isn't directed at him specifically, but since this subject has come up:

I despise the Trump administration and I would not struggle to name one or two good things they have done. In fact it is easy to think of one or two. Undoubtedly it's the same for several other of the most trenchant Trump critics here. Which just goes to show that most of the time, when the main thrust of a post is "nobody can ever say anything good about him without getting made fun of" and yet the poster does not themselves ever mention any of these good things, that their purpose in posting has nothing to do with honest praise of Trump, or civility, or even both-sides-ism. They have other aims.
_________________
iamntbatman wrote:
On Friday I passed an important milestone in my teaching career: a student shat himself

FloristOfVampyrism wrote:
That wasn't meant as a k.o. though, he specifically targeted an area of the cerebellum which, if ruptured, renders you a Jehovah's witness indefinitely

Top
 Profile  
Subrick
Metal freak

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 8741
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:04 pm 
 

The issue with Spirit's point of view is that Trump supporters tend to not ever come at a discussion about him in good faith. Ever. They come at the discussion almost exclusively in bad faith.
_________________
Earthcubed wrote:
I'm just perpetually annoyed by Sean William Scott and he's never been in a movie where I wasn't rooting for his head to sever by strange means.

Blacksoul Seraphim Gothic Doom Metal
Autumn's Ashes Melodic Death/Doom Metal

Top
 Profile  
Xlxlx
Argentinian Asado Supremacy

Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:16 pm
Posts: 8068
Location: Argentina
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:39 pm 
 

There are two problems with Spirit's latest wonderings regarding why no Trump supporters ever seem to last in this thread:

1) As other have pointed out, I cannot really think of anyone who has ever come in here trying to defend Trump in good faith.

2) For every good thing you can say about him or his administration, you can probably mention several dozen that are just... appaling. There's not much to defend about a man who proudly talks about groping unwilling women or killing the families of suspected terrorists (which is, you know, a war crime).

I used to be much more hostile in here, and in the forum in general, which is not something I'm proud of. But even as a... currently more emotionally balanced individual who makes a conscious effort to strive toward objectivity in arguments I just... cannot bring myself to see anything defensible in the man. There really isn't. He embodies basically every single quality that's undesirable in a leader (and I'd risk to say, in a human being). He's impulsive, undemocratic, capricious, guilty of nepotism, lascivious, ignorant and contemptuous of the law, immature, partakes in bullying antics both in person and over social media (which should be FAR beneath someone of his station), has a well documented history of deprecating attitudes and comments regarding both women and minorities (and dishonesty, can't forget that), is suspected of criminal ties, has multiple instances of bankruptcy to his name, and so on and on and on...

No political leader has a truly spotless history, that much is true. But few, if any leaders in the history of the USA, and probably Western politics in general, have as much of a stained record as Trump does.

To not see it is to wilfully blind oneself.

On a less grandstanding note, I'd also generally suggest that expressing disappointment with a lack of civilty while calling someone else a cunt and saying they deserve to have violence inflicted upon them is more than a bit contradictory, but that's a different conversation altogether.
_________________
droneriot wrote:
The instruments used are what you would expect from the little metal people: guitaloos, bassnaps, drumdrums, and voclatrons. The best things about the guitaloos are obviously the riffraffs.

Top
 Profile  
megalowho
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:33 am
Posts: 554
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:55 pm 
 

Xlxlx wrote:
No political leader has a truly spotless history, that much is true. But few, if any leaders in the history of the USA, and probably Western politics in general, have as much of a stained record as Trump does.

To not see it is to wilfully blind oneself.


Really solid post.

The quoted bit in particular struck me. I'm not much given to hyperbole, but it's hard to simply state, in a calm and factual manner, what makes Trump and modern Republicans so dangerously unfit to govern, without sounding plainly fanatical to even their lukewarm defenders.

Along just these lines, I saved a couple quotes from an interview with Allen Wood, a scholar of German philosophy:

"Our cultural traditions, based largely on religious superstitions of one sort or another, our political and economic traditions, based largely on the unjust domination of the vast majority by those in possession of wealth and the means of violence, are pretty clearly opposed to basic moral values, no matter how you approach these - if only you look at the matter with basic rationality and honesty."

"The U.S. Republican party is not only a political engine of backwardness and oppression, but even a mortal threat to the long-term survival of the human species. I think that last statement is not in the least bit exaggerated. [...] They hold the wrong view and the wrong policies - as wrong as it is possible to be - on every single issue, right down the line."


I can't claim to be particularly adept or insightful when it comes to understanding politics; I listen to other people talk, and am conscious of my own ignorance and short-sightedness. Particularly when it comes to things like fiscal and international policy - social issues are much more straightforward. (Like, "Do you think gay people should be treated as second-class citizens?" Hmm, that's a toughie!) But all the same, I...would really have little reservation in calling these statements mostly true. (Makes life "interesting," by the way, when you have close and vital familial ties with a Republican or two!)

Top
 Profile  
Subrick
Metal freak

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 8741
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:59 pm 
 

What makes Trump especially repulsive in the grand scheme of things isn't so much that he displays all those negative qualities Xlxlx listed off while in office (although he obviously certainly has since becoming President). It's that he displayed every quality listed for DECADES before running for President, and when he did run for office, he actually doubled down on pretty much all of his worst attributes as a person. And then the country decided to make him President anyway (or the Electoral College did, because he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes). The people the the US looked at what they had, saw what kind of a person Trump is, was, has been, and would continue to be, and decided to go with him anyway. All that has gotten us is democratic backsliding, a further slip into authoritarian GOP rule since the party enables and allows him to break the law at will, and the biggest blunder in US history with the coronavirus response, which will get hundreds of thousands more killed than if an actually competent person was running the show instead. He is the single worst choice for a President ever, and we're very possibly gonna be stuck with him for four more years come November.
_________________
Earthcubed wrote:
I'm just perpetually annoyed by Sean William Scott and he's never been in a movie where I wasn't rooting for his head to sever by strange means.

Blacksoul Seraphim Gothic Doom Metal
Autumn's Ashes Melodic Death/Doom Metal

Top
 Profile  
Xlxlx
Argentinian Asado Supremacy

Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:16 pm
Posts: 8068
Location: Argentina
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:32 am 
 

Thank you for the highlight, Megalowho. 'preciate it.

I would also like to argue that, in fact, while Trump's record as a business tycoon and general member of the human species has been stained for a very, very long time, he has not in fact always exhibited every single ones of the qualities we malign him for nowadays. It might seem like a small thing, but take this clip, for example:



Going off appearances alone, here we see a pitch perfect example of a softspoken Wall Street yuppie. Yes, the vague platitudes he speaks in are familiar to us, and he's clearly parroting some talking points he doesn't seem to understand himself, but it's a far cry from the brash caricature of bravado that currently Tweets from the White House on a regular basis. Hell, he even makes a reasonable point about the sad reality of promising, if unorthodox candidates often being outshined by safe but charismatic ones, which is something that the USA struggles with even today as politics become more and more of a hollow, meaningless popularity contest with each passing day.

What I see in this video isn't the Trump we hope to see removed from office as soon as possible.

What I see is a background extra from American Psycho. One I might even feel sorry for after seeing him chopped to pieces.

He always had shit taste in ties though.

/damned by faint praise
_________________
droneriot wrote:
The instruments used are what you would expect from the little metal people: guitaloos, bassnaps, drumdrums, and voclatrons. The best things about the guitaloos are obviously the riffraffs.

Top
 Profile  
Curious_dead
Metal newbie

Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:13 pm
Posts: 127
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:07 am 
 

Xlxlx wrote:
There are two problems with Spirit's latest wonderings regarding why no Trump supporters ever seem to last in this thread:

1) As other have pointed out, I cannot really think of anyone who has ever come in here trying to defend Trump in good faith.

2) For every good thing you can say about him or his administration, you can probably mention several dozen that are just... appaling. There's not much to defend about a man who proudly talks about groping unwilling women or killing the families of suspected terrorists (which is, you know, a war crime).

I used to be much more hostile in here, and in the forum in general, which is not something I'm proud of. But even as a... currently more emotionally balanced individual who makes a conscious effort to strive toward objectivity in arguments I just... cannot bring myself to see anything defensible in the man. There really isn't. He embodies basically every single quality that's undesirable in a leader (and I'd risk to say, in a human being). He's impulsive, undemocratic, capricious, guilty of nepotism, lascivious, ignorant and contemptuous of the law, immature, partakes in bullying antics both in person and over social media (which should be FAR beneath someone of his station), has a well documented history of deprecating attitudes and comments regarding both women and minorities (and dishonesty, can't forget that), is suspected of criminal ties, has multiple instances of bankruptcy to his name, and so on and on and on...

No political leader has a truly spotless history, that much is true. But few, if any leaders in the history of the USA, and probably Western politics in general, have as much of a stained record as Trump does.

To not see it is to wilfully blind oneself.

On a less grandstanding note, I'd also generally suggest that expressing disappointment with a lack of civilty while calling someone else a cunt and saying they deserve to have violence inflicted upon them is more than a bit contradictory, but that's a different conversation altogether.


I would add to that his main positive accomplishment, the economy, is basically riding on what his predecessor did. His economy is strong (which is relative; he boasts strong numbers in terms of markets and unemployment, but I dare say, for the average Joe, it doesn't necessarily seem so), but he inherited a steadily improving economy. It's not like he turned it around. And he still somehow managed to fuck shit up with his useless trade war (basically, he made points with uninformed people by looking like he took a strong stance against China, while making Americans pay the price for this trade war TWICE over: by paying the tariffs AND by paying for the bailout necessary to support Americans affected by it).

And apart from that, I don't see anything that's worth mentioning. He did not radically reduce the number of undocumented, despite treating border crossers very poorly; he soured relationships with many allies, but at least he got a nice picture with Kim Jong Un; he filled courts with conservative judges, which would be a positive if you're a partisan hack who doesn't care about objectivity, but he even fucked that up by picking grossly, objectively and patently unqualified people.

It's mind boggling. I could name a few good things about W. Bush, and I fucking HATED Bush. I can name a few good things about Stephen Harper, and I hated his guts. I can't even say Trump loves his kids. The guy is just irredeemable. I don't see anything positive: not a shred of compassion, not a hint of self-awareness, not an attempt at acting decently. If there's something I'm missing, I'd genuinely like to know. The guy looks like an asshole, and smell like an asshole, so he's probably an asshole.

Top
 Profile  
Xlxlx
Argentinian Asado Supremacy

Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:16 pm
Posts: 8068
Location: Argentina
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:44 pm 
 

Indeed. Trump is such an incredible mix of gross incompetence, empty boasting, lack of ethics and just... general unpleasantness that it's hard to concieve he's even a real person at all. He's a living parody, a breathing, loud caricature of America's darker side of the coin. If Hunter S. Thompson hadn't commited suicide, he would probably be despairing and frothing at the mouth at the second coming of Richard Nixon: With Extra Sexual Misconduct Sauce.
_________________
droneriot wrote:
The instruments used are what you would expect from the little metal people: guitaloos, bassnaps, drumdrums, and voclatrons. The best things about the guitaloos are obviously the riffraffs.

Top
 Profile  
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 5159
Location: United States
PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:13 pm 
 

Anyone else notice the way SpiritOfTheForest just dropped out the second people turned up the heat a single degree? So much for the iron will of the Scots :lol:

In even funnier news, Trump may lose Florida.
_________________
ambientsorrow wrote:
Pretty rubbish, I must say. Certainly not worth the hype behind it. Boring and predictable. A band for 14-22 year olds.

Top
 Profile  
burnroasted
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:00 am
Posts: 292
PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:02 pm 
 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st ... e-schumer/

This redeems Trump


Last edited by burnroasted on Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:47 am, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic Go to page Previous  1 ... 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166 ... 172  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

 
Jump to:  

Back to the Encyclopaedia Metallum


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group