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waiguoren
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:01 am 
 

megalowho wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was the owner of Abyss Records, who was scolded for posting his promotional threads in the wrong forum.


Haha that fucking guy. Would be surprised if that place is still around. About seven or eight years ago a friend and I ordered from them using my friend's credit card (PayPal was a disaster back then in South Korea for foreigners to use) and like three years hour later I get this ferocious email from the dude, "Where is the money? If I don't have that money in my account I'm not sending the fucking order! I need that money to be there!" - just screamed crack addict really.

Order arrives, the Impaled Nazarene and Sarcofago shirts I ordered, while correctly saying XL on the tags, were clearly size S, but smaller I think. Sold them on a Swedish auction site years later and when I received a question about the size for one of them I replied with "Good for babies."
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:07 am 
 

The Abyss guy lives around the south side of Indianapolis so he's pretty local to me. It's safe to say that the label is pretty much no longer operational since he hit some financial snags or something. Nowadays he just posts antisemitic conspiracy crap with the occasional black metal link.
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DoomMetalAlchemist
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:30 am 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
I just realized how either A) dated or B) eastern-centric Americans are when talking about geography of our country. I guess most people consider Ohio part of the midwest, but if you look on google maps it's pretty fucking east relatively speaking. I always viewed anything west of the Mississippi river as midwest with Nevada westward as the real "west". But I guess CO and Kansas are west? Seems kinda odd, takes a day+ of straight of driving to get to Cali from CO.


Thank god someone else besides me said it. Life-long Californian here and it chaps my hide that Ohio is considered mid-west.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:08 am 
 

I've pretty much always considered the Rockies as the western border of the midwest and Chicago as the eastern border. It's a qualitatively different, midwestern sort of major city in comparison to cities to its east.

Pennsohioland is some sort of Aggrieved Purplish White-ish People micronation that people lump in with the midwest for obscure reasons.
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Methuen
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:53 pm 
 

Anyone noticed that droneriot has gone quiet ? not sure I've seen him for a couple of weeks ?
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Now maybe my post count can catch up!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:37 pm 
 

For something like a decade of my life, fly fishing was the thing that kept me sane, maybe even alive. I haven't gotten out much over the last year and change. It's nice to remind myself why I liked this shit to begin with.

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gomorro
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Now maybe my post count can catch up!

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Edit: I know I don't post so regular, but I swear my count have been the same from 4 years

Yesterday I was talking with a friend about how music is evolving and how there is this tendency to blend genres and musicians are more open to experiment with other styles like in the case of mi papi, mi churro, mi rey Ihsahn... Pharos is a extremly well worked EP, with some influences that Ihsahn have been using for a while but it's hard to be cataloged as metal. Still being a musician with so many years in the business must be some sort of relief

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Razakel
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:42 pm 
 

Methuen wrote:
Anyone noticed that droneriot has gone quiet ? not sure I've seen him for a couple of weeks ?


Noticed that myself. Just checked on his insane youtube channel though and he's been uploading his usual batshit rants with some regularity. From the last video with himself in it (about a month ago) he does appear to have one foot in the grave, so hopefully he's okay.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:43 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
For something like a decade of my life, fly fishing was the thing that kept me sane, maybe even alive. I haven't gotten out much over the last year and change. It's nice to remind myself why I liked this shit to begin with.

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Beauty :thumbsup: Also, is that light-brownish thing in the foreground a frog, or a very frog-shaped rock?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:04 am 
 

I think it's called a fock.

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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:10 am 
 

Definitely a little piece of rock.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:49 am 
 

It seems I've put too much thought into my possible future studies. I had a dream... I went to the university, asked how to proceed with the studies, and I was led into a room in the basement. There was a large table there, with a two feet thick pile of satellite photos the size of bed sheets, all of the Nordics in them in small detail. And the professor told me to go through them, identify every single butterfly in them, and compile a comprehensive list.

I think I want to get mildly drunk on Friday evening.
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megalowho
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:26 pm 
 

^Heh, another "follow me into the basement" dream - that puts me in good company! :)

(I wonder if that's a common theme for nightmares. Usually my nightmares involve tornadoes, spiders, or high school. I must've had a solid two months of high-school dreams when COVID first hit. So annoying.)

But yeah, you must be stressing. I'm sure you'll figure it out, but in the meantime, might be a good idea to have an evening of fun.

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DoomMetalAlchemist
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:42 pm 
 

megalowho wrote:
^Heh, another "follow me into the basement" dream - that puts me in good company! :)

(I wonder if that's a common theme for nightmares. Usually my nightmares involve tornadoes, spiders, or high school. I must've had a solid two months of high-school dreams when COVID first hit. So annoying.)

But yeah, you must be stressing. I'm sure you'll figure it out, but in the meantime, might be a good idea to have an evening of fun.


Depending on how old you might be, I'm wondering what about covid triggered dreams about high school.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:35 pm 
 

The other night I had a most dreadful dream. My dog ran away and when we found him days later, he was in the furious stage of rabies. So not only did I have to kill him to prevent him from attacking anyone, for unexplained reasons I had no humane options available; and had to behead him with a scythe.
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megalowho
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:54 pm 
 

DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
Depending on how old you might be, I'm wondering what about covid triggered dreams about high school.


I'm 34. I don't know what's up with the dreams, but I may have a decent hunch or two.

The pandemic is an uncomfortable, anxiety-inducing thing for everyone, of course (though I'm sheltered from a lot of the worst aspects of it). But anxiety has a way of triggering nightmares, and high school has regularly reared its ugly head in my nightmares - actually, "nightmare" isn't necessarily the best word; finding myself in high school again (or occasionally junior high or college, or at some early jobs) when I go to sleep is more of a benign annoyance. Like, I'll wake up and feel, "Damnit, I wish that stuff would just go away."

Why high school? (Spoiler-tagged because it's a self-analytic tangent; I'll try to keep it brief.)

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High school was something of a shit-show for me (join the club, right?), as was life in general up until my late 20s or so. Pretty standard growing pains and nerd-traumas, I guess, exacerbated by some developmental and mental health issues. (But making a handful of lifelong friendships, and discovering metal - those were among the more redeeming experiences.)

Things aren't perfect now, but they're worlds better. I lucked out massively in terms of family life, work life, and living situation. I like and respect who I am more than I did even two or three years ago, and I look forward to the future.

I figure it's natural that high school would be the stuff of nightmares, or at least certain aspects of high school (e.g. test anxiety) - I hear it's that way for lots of people. I want to chalk it up to insecurities about my past self in relation to my present self, worsened by a stubbornly lingering sense that I'm still "behind" my peers: "Am I still fundamentally a lost and confused kid?" - that sort of thing.

Maybe the dreams persisted as they did because the pandemic has such a "waiting around in limbo" quality to it.

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If dream interpretation means anything then I must have been pretty well-adjusted in high school, because I exclusively dream of healthy rabbits or irradiated sheep.
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Lord_Of_Diamonds
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I've been listening to a lot of non-metal music lately, particularly of the modern acoustic pop variety (think Kacey Musgraves and Mandy Moore's new record). The more I've heard, the more annoyed I've become with singers breathing into the microphone. It's not like it's a particularly annoying sound. But it reminds me that people don't learn how to sing anymore. They don't learn breath control or anything like that. Software can make anyone sound good, so what's the use? It's probably the main reason why almost no singer these days sounds as good live as they do in the studio.

Before the pandemic started, I was actually considering taking vocal lessons, mostly to see what I've been doing wrong for all my life. In the middle of last year, I got a really bad cough for a long time that did something funny to my throat, and I came away with a slightly higher voice. Before long I found that I could sing notes that I never was able to reach before. Suddenly I could sing early Tool material and even some Dream Theater stuff, and I've worked on that high range of my voice since then. Teaching myself breath control, better sustain, pitch control, all that.

When the pandemic cools down (not gonna happen any time soon, of course) I still plan to go through with taking voice lessons. Even though I feel like I've got my singing in a good spot right now, I'm still afraid that I might be doing something wrong. I really don't want to reach 40 and suddenly have my vocal abilities give out on me, like so many other rock and metal singers out there. Okay... I'm done now. Just something I wanted to mention.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:16 am 
 

Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
I've been listening to a lot of non-metal music lately, particularly of the modern acoustic pop variety (think Kacey Musgraves and Mandy Moore's new record).


Kalie Shorr might be worth a shout for you - the image is a bit tweeny, but the music is pretty decent.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:58 pm 
 

Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
I've been listening to a lot of non-metal music lately, particularly of the modern acoustic pop variety (think Kacey Musgraves and Mandy Moore's new record). The more I've heard, the more annoyed I've become with singers breathing into the microphone. It's not like it's a particularly annoying sound. But it reminds me that people don't learn how to sing anymore. They don't learn breath control or anything like that. Software can make anyone sound good, so what's the use? It's probably the main reason why almost no singer these days sounds as good live as they do in the studio.

Before the pandemic started, I was actually considering taking vocal lessons, mostly to see what I've been doing wrong for all my life. In the middle of last year, I got a really bad cough for a long time that did something funny to my throat, and I came away with a slightly higher voice. Before long I found that I could sing notes that I never was able to reach before. Suddenly I could sing early Tool material and even some Dream Theater stuff, and I've worked on that high range of my voice since then. Teaching myself breath control, better sustain, pitch control, all that.

When the pandemic cools down (not gonna happen any time soon, of course) I still plan to go through with taking voice lessons. Even though I feel like I've got my singing in a good spot right now, I'm still afraid that I might be doing something wrong. I really don't want to reach 40 and suddenly have my vocal abilities give out on me, like so many other rock and metal singers out there. Okay... I'm done now. Just something I wanted to mention.

Honestly, I appreciate tiny little imperfections like those. They bring character to the music and are charmingly human in their awkwardness. Humanity is appreciated in music.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:57 pm 
 

By the gods and all devils, I had forgotten just how great it was to have proper headphones.
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Lord_Of_Diamonds
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Xlxlx wrote:
Honestly, I appreciate tiny little imperfections like those. They bring character to the music and are charmingly human in their awkwardness. Humanity is appreciated in music.

But that was one of the points of my post. Software can make those imperfections appear to go away, which makes the singer think that he/she doesn't have to really learn how to sing. So when I hear breaths into the microphone, or I hear a whiny accent after a particularly high sustained note (see the chorus of "New" by Daya for a particularly cringe-worthy example of this), it's a sign of an untrained vocalist to me. One who hasn't learned how to breathe properly. One who probably will sound bad live when compared to the squeaky-clean studio version. There isn't any "humanity" left in music because it can be ironed out without any effort on the performer's part. One of the reasons why I like listening to mid-90s Tool is because of the vocals. I know that Maynard James Keenan really had to sing that well and have that much power and sustain in his voice to sound as good in the studio as he did. And if you watch Tool live videos from that era, he pretty much sounds the same live as he does in the studio.
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Great new music video by Sepultura posted 3 days ago

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:37 pm 
 

Woah, I definitely did not expect this to be so good. Listening to Quadra right now and it sounds like Sepultura from a timeline where Roots never happened, and instead just kept writing kick ass music and incorporating groove and tribal elements. Also, their drummer is mad talented.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:26 am 
 

Just what I suspected... COF's new album will only be released next year. There were talks that it would be released by the end of this year, but they're just starting to mix it so I figured that would be impossible. Here's an interview with Dani where he discusses the album and lots of other stuff:

https://www.metalkaoz.com/interviews/24 ... -wSfVjUluA
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Unorthodox wrote:
Great new music video by Sepultura posted 3 days ago


Makes me wonder if anyone in the band other than Derrick is vegan.

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Lord_Of_Diamonds
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:37 pm 
 

Methuen wrote:
Kalie Shorr might be worth a shout for you - the image is a bit tweeny, but the music is pretty decent.

I gave a couple of her songs a listen - pretty miserable stuff. Corny lyrics, especially "Escape". Ouch. The "bro" factor is way up there.

The music is just run-of-the-mill pop-country, with predictable arrangements to boot (seriously, what's it take to write a song that's not verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus-out?). The singing's kinda whiny and breathy too, so overall it's a no from me. Thanks for the recommendation though.
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Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
predictable arrangements to boot (seriously, what's it take to write a song that's not verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus-out?).

I mean, you'll get that in the overwhelming majority of country. I love the genre but structural variety ain't its strong suit.

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Neither is a lot of metal's, to be fair.
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Xlxlx wrote:
Neither is a lot of metal's, to be fair.

Unfortunately, that's right. It's hard to find that balance between way too complex, bloated, no repeating motifs, and not memorable at all (Opeth) and bare-bones formulaic without even an ounce of effort to write an original arrangement (Five Finger Death Punch).

That's a big part of how I rate music in my reviews. If it manages to stick in my head while keeping the songwriting fresh-sounding, then it'll get points from me.
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Most really good verse-chorus stuff is so tightly written that you'd never care about the structure being similar to a lot of other songs.
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I used to complain about song structure but if it works it works, why overthink it, there's a reason that formula is so well established. Whining overmuch about it has a bad Tool fanboy kinda vibe about it
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Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
I gave a couple of her songs a listen - pretty miserable stuff.


:lol: have you ever written for Zero Tolerance ? I expected a "0/6" at the end :lol:

caspian wrote:
I used to complain about song structure but if it works it works, why overthink it, there's a reason that formula is so well established. Whining overmuch about it has a bad Tool fanboy kinda vibe about it


Same - it was fun being der proggenfuhrer for a brief time, but eventually you realise that a solid traditional structure is just fun. Sometimes the Maiden-style 'sing the song title four times' can wear a little, but not many bands do that I think ?
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Methuen wrote:
Sometimes the Maiden-style 'sing the song title four times' can wear a little,

32 times*

Verse - chorus structure is so common because it works. Just like there's a reason why most houses are square and not round.
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It's that "cliche is the echo of myth" etc. thing.
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Yeah, like, bands get a lot of appreciation from me for going outside the usual boundaries and going apeshit with song structure and the like (as long as it's well done), but you can't beat a good ol' catchy tune sometimes. I don't wanna eat at an experimental five star restaurant all the time, most days I just want a nice homecooked meal.
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Man, imagine complaining about song structure immediately following a rant about the over-editing of modern music and "whiny vocals from untrained singers"

I don't think you're trying hard enough, bud.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:19 am 
 

On one hand, hearing the same verse-chorus structure over and over again for a prolonged period of time can be really grating and sound really lazy. On the other hand, Opeth is worse than most bands and they never do that.

It's usually pretty easy to tell who is lazily plugging riffs into a preset formula and who is just writing shit that sounds good and flows well.
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A lot of really great metal albums alternate between short verse-chorus rockers and some more epic songs that start off as a ballad or something. And even a lot of good prog stuff doesn't go too crazy with purposely obtuse song structures - the recent Arch/Matheos and Psychotic Waltz albums could hardly be accused of forcing weird prog stuff for no reason.

No problem with simple songs myself. These days I am more liable to be turned off by obvious imitation. I just don't have the time for that.
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