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Prigione Eterna
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:19 am 
 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-footage-of-nra-chief-wayne-lapierres-botched-elephant-hunt

Congratulations to these true American heroes, great champions of freedom and men and women of valor, so concerned about the good old values of yore.
Thank God we have people of integrity like them to defend the world from socialism. An example to us all.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:26 am 
 

Prigione Eterna wrote:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-footage-of-nra-chief-wayne-lapierres-botched-elephant-hunt

Congratulations to these true American heroes, great champions of freedom and men and women of valor, so concerned about the good old values of yore.
Thank God we have people of integrity like them to defend the world from socialism. An example to us all.


God, what a berk - you'd think he'd at least learn to shoot with the NRA...

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The Trace and The New Yorker obtained a copy of the footage, which has been hidden from public view for eight years. It shows that when guides tracked down an elephant for LaPierre, the N.R.A. chief proved to be a poor marksman. After LaPierre’s first shot wounded the elephant, guides brought him a short distance from the animal, which was lying on its side, immobilized. Firing from point-blank range, LaPierre shot the animal three times in the wrong place. Finally, a guide had the host of “Under Wild Skies” fire the shot that killed the elephant. Later that day, Susan LaPierre showed herself to be a better shot than her husband. After guides tracked down an elephant for her, Susan killed it, cut off its tail, and held it in the air. “Victory!” she shouted, laughing. “That’s my elephant tail. Way cool.”
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:24 am 
 

Prigione Eterna wrote:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-footage-of-nra-chief-wayne-lapierres-botched-elephant-hunt

Congratulations to these true American heroes, great champions of freedom and men and women of valor, so concerned about the good old values of yore.
Thank God we have people of integrity like them to defend the world from socialism. An example to us all.


Fuck. There's no way I'm watching that video.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:48 am 
 

I haven't, I could barely read the article to the end. Yet people do this for real and then present themselves as the decent ones, champions of personal freedom and patriots. As far as I'm concerned, they are cowards and the scum of the earth; to hell with political correctness.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:37 pm 
 

Prigione Eterna wrote:
I haven't, I could barely read the article to the end. Yet people do this for real and then present themselves as the decent ones, champions of personal freedom and patriots. As far as I'm concerned, they are cowards and the scum of the earth; to hell with political correctness.


The word "freedom" has so many different meanings to so many people that I wonder if anyone is ever actually talking about the same thing when discussing freedom.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:58 pm 
 

Astute. The mandatory follow-up question should always be, freedom from what?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:31 pm 
 

Speaking of complete scumbags, Matt Gaetz paid to fuck a 17 year old.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:13 pm 
 

No, that's a hit job from the real pedos :roll:

Yeah, that's what a good segment of the Qult is going with.

I really hope he's fucked. I read that other GOP members might be involved (how deeply, though, I don't know, maybe they just knew, maybe they Venmo'd underage prostitutes too), and I swear if it turns out Gym Jordan is involved in this (he defended Gaetz), I'll open a bottle of champagne. If one more of these assholes deserve to see the inside of a jail, it's him.

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InnesI
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:27 pm 
 

CoconutBackwards wrote:
The word "freedom" has so many different meanings to so many people that I wonder if anyone is ever actually talking about the same thing when discussing freedom.


Usually people do not speak of the same thing. Not only can the divide be great between negative freedom and positive freedom (usually compared by the examples of Robert Nozick and John Rawls) and within those two umbrella terms it's a jungle. Freedom can mean so many different things. Very often with totally opposite meanings depending on definition.
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Prigione Eterna
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:36 pm 
 

I wonder how many people, when they listen to somebody talk about freedom, assume it means freedom to shoot and kill an innocent animal from an endangered species in cold blood, for fun.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:29 pm 
 

Amateurish "philosophy dork" observation, but:

"Freedom" as you approach the right-most extreme seems to mean: the ability to satisfy any arbitrary whim I please, no matter how hurtful and oppressive to others, and to do so "without consequence" - namely, without the duty to reciprocally allow everyone else to exercise a similar freedom (especially where this duty entails some necessary economic sacrifice on my part, enforced by an authority).

"Enforced by an authority" is obviously problematic and potentially worrisome, but it's characteristic of the right, IMO, to seriously exaggerate this point. (Hence Nozick's comparison of taxation with slavery?)

Freedom just about anywhere else, apparently, is understood to be basically an achievement of a community, with the inherent conditions and limitations this involves: It implies that the agent belongs to a society of fellows who perform the requisite services and satisfy the requisite duties for one another, in order that each individual is enabled as much as reasonably possible to subsequently "do as they please" - or better, to realize their positive human potential.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:57 pm 
 

megalowho wrote:
Amateurish "philosophy dork" observation, but:

"Freedom" as you approach the right-most extreme seems to mean: the ability to satisfy any arbitrary whim I please, no matter how hurtful and oppressive to others, and to do so "without consequence" - namely, without the duty to reciprocally allow everyone else to exercise a similar freedom (especially where this duty entails some necessary economic sacrifice on my part, enforced by an authority).

"Enforced by an authority" is obviously problematic and potentially worrisome, but it's characteristic of the right, IMO, to seriously exaggerate this point. (Hence Nozick's comparison of taxation with slavery?)

Freedom just about anywhere else, apparently, is understood to be basically an achievement of a community, with the inherent conditions and limitations this involves: It implies that the agent belongs to a society of fellows who perform the requisite services and satisfy the requisite duties for one another, in order that each individual is enabled as much as reasonably possible to subsequently "do as they please" - or better, to realize their positive human potential.


You describe the division well.

The more right wing you become (as in classical liberal/libertarian not fascist) you go for negative freedom. Negative in this case doesn't mean bad. It is freedom from involvement of others. That said other people should not limit your alternative to make choices regardless of if they are bad or good. These people usually go by what is called the non-violent principle which regulates that you should be free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm other peoples property. By property they include one's owns body and one's own land/ownings (as long as you've gotten it fairly and without violence). They talk of the nightwatcher state which should only include police, military and justice systems. Everything else is privately owned and they think the market will solve the demands of the people. The good with negative freedom is that it hinders people from direct oppression and it also doesn't cuddle people in false security. The risks are that society would be torn apart and that there would be more people making bad choices and thus resulting in more misery. Very liberal people end up here (not liberal in the American sense mind you).


Positive freedom (again positive doesn't mean good here) is about regulating society so that certain things that are deemed bad for the people are outlawed. The reasoning is that the state can regulate away certain bad things and thus people will be more likely to achieve their potential. So if a person who likes negative freedom might be for drug legalization, because it should be up to the individual to decide what he/she does with their body, a person who is for positive freedom might be for criminalization on the basis of reasoning that the drugs will harm you and hinder your potential. The positives are that this system will, if applied moderately, save many people from falling down to hard. It will create a social security net that will catch those who need to be caught. The risk is that a state can deem whatever it wasn't as bad and it can end up in authoritarian dictatorships. Socialism likes positive freedom, so does most other moderate political ideologies as well, but communism, fascism and the like are also examples of positive freedom.

Most of us fall in between the two of course. I'd for one rather not have either one exclusively.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:49 pm 
 

Do they just want to kill elephants because some colonial slave master did so, back in the day? You don’t eat them, it isn’t tough or exciting. There’s nothing defensible about it, and they don’t get anything from it. I’ve fished, but never hunted, although I might do it one day. But if I wanted the wildest, most insane hunting adventure, I’d just go to Texas, and kill a pig, with a knife or spear. It’s dangerous, and extreme, unlike shooting a slow elephant, and I’d get to make chorizo, bratwursts, and ribs. Pigs and deer aren’t going to go extinct. This crap is just going to turn the population against hunting. Trophy hunting is fucking stupid.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 2:34 am 
 

Hexenmacht46290 wrote:
Do they just want to kill elephants because some colonial slave master did so, back in the day? You don’t eat them, it isn’t tough or exciting. There’s nothing defensible about it, and they don’t get anything from it. I’ve fished, but never hunted, although I might do it one day. But if I wanted the wildest, most insane hunting adventure, I’d just go to Texas, and kill a pig, with a knife or spear. It’s dangerous, and extreme, unlike shooting a slow elephant, and I’d get to make chorizo, bratwursts, and ribs. Pigs and deer aren’t going to go extinct. This crap is just going to turn the population against hunting. Trophy hunting is fucking stupid.


I think it has to do with status. We recently had a thing in Sweden where Zlatan Ibrahimovic and a few other Swedish celebrities (Måns Herngren, Anders Borg and Jan Guillou being some of them) went on similar hunts in Africa. I don't think there is any active thought of wanting to be like colonizers. However the status is still there from those time to bring trophies of exotic animals back as a way to show off for people about one's adventures.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 9:43 am 
 

Hexenmacht46290 wrote:
Do they just want to kill elephants because some colonial slave master did so, back in the day? You don’t eat them, it isn’t tough or exciting. There’s nothing defensible about it, and they don’t get anything from it. I’ve fished, but never hunted, although I might do it one day. But if I wanted the wildest, most insane hunting adventure, I’d just go to Texas, and kill a pig, with a knife or spear. It’s dangerous, and extreme, unlike shooting a slow elephant, and I’d get to make chorizo, bratwursts, and ribs. Pigs and deer aren’t going to go extinct. This crap is just going to turn the population against hunting. Trophy hunting is fucking stupid.


I have nothing against hunting when it's done responsibly and for eating. Or when an animal's population needs to be reduced and, again, it's done responsibly (not for convenience, like amssacring wolves or other predators just because it's the easier solution). But hunting purely for trophy... I have no respect. And I don't buy the idea that "selling" special hunts allows conservation of the species, the money could come from any kind of source not hypocritically involving killing the animal they're pretending to conserve.

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Curious_dead wrote:
I have nothing against hunting when it's done responsibly and for eating. Or when an animal's population needs to be reduced and, again, it's done responsibly (not for convenience, like amssacring wolves or other predators just because it's the easier solution). But hunting purely for trophy... I have no respect. And I don't buy the idea that "selling" special hunts allows conservation of the species, the money could come from any kind of source not hypocritically involving killing the animal they're pretending to conserve.


And that's not even mentioning how intelligent elephants are. I'd go as far as to say that killing animals like elephants or dolphins is just straight up wrong. Not murder of course, but it's pretty fucked, even if it's for food.

Trophy hunting, an endangered species, an incompetent hunt that almost definitely caused a lot of pain... It's just plain disgusting behavior and I think it speaks volumes.
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Got a last minute invite to speak at the local May Day rally. Stumbled a bit then got into the swing of things lol:

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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Got a last minute invite to speak at the local May Day rally.


Damn, that actually felt really motivating. Nice speech!
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Thank you! I try.
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l Lunaris l wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Got a last minute invite to speak at the local May Day rally.


Damn, that actually felt really motivating. Nice speech!

Really? Just seemed like another speech that's filled with Commie-jargon cliches. And a speech that's given from a user that we already know, based on her posts, is actually not a very good person. The cringe just simply doesn't end with this one...


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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Got a last minute invite to speak at the local May Day rally. Stumbled a bit then got into the swing of things lol:


That's actually a great speech. Got any other speeches you're willing to share?
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Slater922 wrote:
That's actually a great speech. Got any other speeches you're willing to share?


Here's one from last Sunday. I organized a speak out in response to transphobic legislation that has been proposed here in NC and around the country:

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Death row inmates in South Carolina will now have the luxury of choosing their preferred method of death: electric chair or...um...firing squad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/us/f ... olina.html
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Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
Death row inmates in South Carolina will now have the luxury of choosing their preferred method of death: electric chair or...um...firing squad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/us/f ... olina.html


Firing squad for sure for me. The electric chair seems horrendous. And at least you get to smoke a cigarette before getting shot (as far as I know), and there's always the chance that the entire firing squad misses. A no-brainer really.
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Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
Death row inmates in South Carolina will now have the luxury of choosing their preferred method of death: electric chair or...um...firing squad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/us/f ... olina.html


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waiguoren wrote:
Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
Death row inmates in South Carolina will now have the luxury of choosing their preferred method of death: electric chair or...um...firing squad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/us/f ... olina.html


Firing squad for sure for me. The electric chair seems horrendous.


Yeah, if we speak of hypotheticals I'd prefer the firing squad (though I haven't looked much into it). From my martial arts experience a good clean choke is actually a very nice way to go out (either its so quick you don't notice it or it feels like falling asleep). I've also heard people who almost drowned that said it was actually a calming experience. Morbid topic but quite interesting in how people perceive their near death experiences.
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On the interrelation of political phenomena...

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In his first speech to a joint session of Congress on April 28, Joe Biden made the calculation that he needed to directly address the needs of the working class. “20 million Americans lost their jobs in the pandemic – working- and middle-class Americans. At the same time, the roughly 650 billionaires in America saw their net worth increase by more than $1 trillion,” Biden noted, “[T]rickle-down economics has never worked. It’s time to grow the economy from the bottom up and middle-out”. Biden went on to highlight several specific reforms he supported that would have far-reaching implications for the lives of countless millions of working people.

Reminiscent of Cold War-era Democratic presidents, he couched this program in explicitly imperialist terms, cynically attempting to win favor for his policy of confrontation with China — a potentially catastrophic course of action that is already doing great harm to workers in the United States, China and the rest of the world. But what is unique about this speech is that the most powerful bourgeois politician used this most prominent of platforms to speak directly to the interests of workers as a class and propose a raft of progressive measures with real substance to address the issues of class and racial inequality. Understanding why this happened is of crucial importance to those who want to win these immediate reforms and socialists who envision an entirely new type of society.

This decision was not made out of the kindness of Joe Biden’s heart. Biden has been a loyal servant of big business his entire career — supporting anti-worker “free” trade agreements, deregulating the big banks and financial institutions, and helping eviscerate the social safety net.

Instead, Biden is making a political calculation taking into consideration the various pressures and problems facing the capitalist system in the United States. In the last ten years, socialist and other varieties of radical politics and demands have broken into the mainstream. The Occupy Wall Street movement, the rebellion in Ferguson that launched the Movement for Black Lives, the rising environmental struggle, the movement that developed around the Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns and this summer’s nationwide uprising against racism, along with other major struggles, fundamentally altered the shape of U.S. politics. In making the appeal he did in his speech to Congress, Biden is adopting the logic of bending so as not to break. He is proposing concessions to popular movements and claiming their demands as his own. This is both a major accomplishment for these movements, and a strategic challenge in terms of how to move forward.


Biden uses first major address to lay out his program for the working class

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Waiving IP rights around vaccines will allow mass production of Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines by any entity with the capacity to do so, regardless of whether or not they have a license from these pharmaceutical giants. Lifting IP restrictions will empower these countries to avoid purchasing vaccines at exorbitant prices to pad Pfizer and Moderna’s profit margins, and instead use existing domestic infrastructure to produce vaccines at a fraction of the international market prices.

A push is also being made to likewise lift IP rights for European-made vaccines like AstraZeneca’s. Right now, South Africa is forced to pay more than double the EU price for the AstraZeneca vaccine.

This major concession by the Biden administration is a product of intense pressure from inside the United States as well as globally. A large section of the U.S. population was moved by the horrific images coming out of India and other countries facing vaccine shortages, and were outraged at the callous policy of their government. And China and Russia, the two countries the United States has officially targeted under its “great power competition” doctrine, have been at the forefront of vaccine distribution to developing countries worldwide. As of February this year, China provided medical assistance to 53 countries, supplied 27 countries with vaccines and allocated an additional 10 million doses to support the COVAX program initiated by the World Health Organization. Similarly, Russia has supplied its Sputnik V vaccine to over 50 countries worldwide. Both China and Russia also supplied vaccines to Iran and Syria, who experienced extreme difficulties containing the pandemic as a byproduct of the United States’ unilateral sanctions.


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The very fact there's a legitimate arguement to "push Biden left" blows my goddamn mind. I honestly thought he was just going to pass $2,000 $1,400 checks and immediately start cutting Medicare. I originally planned to do the 'ole leftist canard of "vote for the lesser evil and oppose him from day 1," but his administration should merely be critiqued, not opposed.
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A Texas Democrat revived a bill to bar transgender students from competing on school sports teams that align with their gender identity after the bill failed in a House committee.

Rep. Harold Dutton, who chairs the state House Public Education committee, said Friday he revived Senate Bill 29 because a bill of his didn’t pass the day before.


https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-pol ... ty-rcna874

Texas Democrat revives bigoted anti-trans legislation targeting kids out of a fit of spite. Glorious.
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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
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A Texas Democrat revived a bill to bar transgender students from competing on school sports teams that align with their gender identity after the bill failed in a House committee.

Rep. Harold Dutton, who chairs the state House Public Education committee, said Friday he revived Senate Bill 29 because a bill of his didn’t pass the day before.


https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-pol ... ty-rcna874

Texas Democrat revives bigoted anti-trans legislation targeting kids out of a fit of spite. Glorious.

What's with the South and posting all of these anti-trans bills lately?
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It's not just the South. There are close to 150 separate anti-trans bills that have been introduced in more than 30 state legislatures across the country. It's not an accident, and it's not just toothless Southern hillbillies doing toothless Southern hillbilly things; it is a planned, concerted, and coordinated reactionary assault on a national scale aimed at legislating trans people out of public existence.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2021 4:37 pm 
 

It's the same reason why so many states started passing extremely anti-abortion bills a while back, as the ultimate goal was to get to the Supreme Court and have them overturn Roe v. Wade. It hasn't happened yet, but it's always a thing that could happen.
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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
It's not just the South. There are close to 150 separate anti-trans bills that have been introduced in more than 30 state legislatures across the country. It's not an accident, and it's not just toothless Southern hillbillies doing toothless Southern hillbilly things; it is a planned, concerted, and coordinated reactionary assault on a national scale aimed at legislating trans people out of public existence.


It's fucked.

Tying to make laws to stop people from being who they are is such a waste of brainpower/time/life.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 11:31 am 
 

CoconutBackwards wrote:
Trying to make laws to stop people from being who they are is such a waste of brainpower/time/life.


This would be comforting if I could believe it. The ruling class—including its most reactionary segments—isn't stupid or irrational. To the extent that the policies and goals they pursue turn out to be big-picture irrational, this is a byproduct of the contradiction inherent in trying to give rational direction to the imperatives of an irrational system. The ruling class, yes, even the most nakedly bigoted among their number are not idiots. Individually some might be; but collectively, they're anything but idiots. When we lose sight of that fact, it is easy to fall into the trap of idealizing and individualizing a collective and material struggle. It is actively counterproductive to view this kind of shit as the contingent ephemera of stupid leaders, instead of the predictable and inevitable output of a stupid system.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 3:58 am 
 

New idea for the Biden administration: for every child the IDF executes in Gaza, the US withholds two smart bombs from the yearly gift bag for Netanyahu. At this rate, they'll be short a few hundred bombs by summer!
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 12:49 pm 
 

There’s always the Samson Option if it comes down to it. I don’t think Israel has the balls to do it though. Maybe if Netenyahu feels like he’s backed into a corner and wants to show how much of a “strong leader” he is.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 5:35 pm 
 

If they start flexing muscles with their nuclear arsenal they will lose any good optics they have left, especially since they don't have any nuclear weapons "officially speaking".

EDIT: Just now, IDF air and ground troops currently attacking Gaza. This might actually be a more serious escalation than the ones we get every few years.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 6:31 pm 
 

The Biden administration is providing cover for the Zionist apartheid regime's ethnic cleansing:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... tatement-1
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 7:17 pm 
 

The main reason Biden was added as Obama's VP was because of worry that a black man (and admittedly, a guy who made a few throwaway virtue signals about how Palestinians are humans) would fuck up Israel's apartheid state. Biden has always been a stalwart supporter of Israel and anyone who even hoped differently was a hopeless romantic.

At the same time, Trump would've carpet bombed the everloving shit out of Gaza by now.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 7:40 pm 
 

.....only after Jared Kushner had “brokered a peace deal with Israel and the Middle East.”


...THEN he’d carpet bomb the Palestinians out of existence.

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