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Curious_dead
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2021 8:56 am 
 

It's absolutely insane to me that Republicans were/are OK with Trump appointing his son-in-law who was just a real estate "magnate" who went to college because of his dad's connections to not only one but many important files. It's like the perfect storm of nepotism and gross incompetence.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:00 pm 
 

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President Joe Biden's administration approved the potential sale of $735 million in precision-guided weapons to Israel, and congressional sources said on Monday that U.S. lawmakers were not expected to object to the deal despite violence between Israel and Palestinian militants.

Three congressional aides said Congress was officially notified of the intended commercial sale on May 5, as part of the regular review process before major foreign weapons sales agreements can go ahead.


https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/biden-administration-approved-735-million-arms-sale-israel-sources-2021-05-17/

Biden's response to the brutal assault on the Palestinian people being waged by the Israeli apartheid state: more bombs for the oppressor, more profits for the Military-Industrial Complex.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2021 7:52 am 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
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President Joe Biden's administration approved the potential sale of $735 million in precision-guided weapons to Israel, and congressional sources said on Monday that U.S. lawmakers were not expected to object to the deal despite violence between Israel and Palestinian militants.

Three congressional aides said Congress was officially notified of the intended commercial sale on May 5, as part of the regular review process before major foreign weapons sales agreements can go ahead.


https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/biden-administration-approved-735-million-arms-sale-israel-sources-2021-05-17/

Biden's response to the brutal assault on the Palestinian people being waged by the Israeli apartheid state: more bombs for the oppressor, more profits for the Military-Industrial Complex.


Jesus CHRIST do we ever need to stay out of that bullshit.
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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:11 am 
 

CoconutBackwards wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
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President Joe Biden's administration approved the potential sale of $735 million in precision-guided weapons to Israel, and congressional sources said on Monday that U.S. lawmakers were not expected to object to the deal despite violence between Israel and Palestinian militants.

Three congressional aides said Congress was officially notified of the intended commercial sale on May 5, as part of the regular review process before major foreign weapons sales agreements can go ahead.


https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/biden-administration-approved-735-million-arms-sale-israel-sources-2021-05-17/

Biden's response to the brutal assault on the Palestinian people being waged by the Israeli apartheid state: more bombs for the oppressor, more profits for the Military-Industrial Complex.


Jesus CHRIST do we ever need to stay out of that bullshit.


"We" made that bullshit. Israel is an American puppet state that serves as the fortified anchor point for the US empire in SW and Central Asia guarding its western approaches. It has been called a garrison state, but it is that and more, it is the great American crusader fortress, the Krak des Chevaliers of US imperialism. The notion that America could or would be uninvolved in any sustained campaign by Israel is kind of laughable.
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Methuen
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:14 am 
 

Not sure where else to put this one - but exceptional news in the US; Ford putting into serial production a sub <$40k fully electric pickup. Last time I was over there, the ridiculously over-engined trucks were what surprised me - a fully electric one, at a decent price, will go a long way to changing perceptions of electrification - affordable, practical, useful electric vehicles that aren't just for the vegan tech exec set will go an awfully long way to helping shift mass perception of environmentalist policies, too.

Just need Ford to release an electric version of their smaller pickups here, and I can trade in the old Land Rover - pretty much my main bugbear with living rurally is having to burn diesel to do anything; electric vehicles in the european market are all predicated around city living on well maintained roads, and are largely astonishingly expensive for what you get (small Chinese built electric car here ? £25-£40k, or $35-$60k)

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/05/heres-what-we-know-about-fords-electric-f-150-lightning-pickup/
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 8:46 am 
 

Methuen wrote:
Not sure where else to put this one - but exceptional news in the US; Ford putting into serial production a sub <$40k fully electric pickup. Last time I was over there, the ridiculously over-engined trucks were what surprised me - a fully electric one, at a decent price, will go a long way to changing perceptions of electrification - affordable, practical, useful electric vehicles that aren't just for the vegan tech exec set will go an awfully long way to helping shift mass perception of environmentalist policies, too.

Just need Ford to release an electric version of their smaller pickups here, and I can trade in the old Land Rover - pretty much my main bugbear with living rurally is having to burn diesel to do anything; electric vehicles in the european market are all predicated around city living on well maintained roads, and are largely astonishingly expensive for what you get (small Chinese built electric car here ? £25-£40k, or $35-$60k)

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/05/heres-what-we-know-about-fords-electric-f-150-lightning-pickup/


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Open the hood and you'll find a 14 cubic foot (400 L) lockable cargo compartment (aka the frunk), which Ford tells me can store two sets of golf clubs, among other things.


I don't have the money for a new car, even if it's more affordable like this one, but a spacious frunk that can store two sets of gold clubs? I'm sold.

In all seriousness though, this is welcome news. The more manufacturers that start to produce electrics, the better.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 9:33 am 
 

Yeah agreed - pretty much where I am is " get the bit manufacturers making them, drive the new prices down, give them a couple of years to get into the second hand market, and then I too can electrify !"
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:43 am 
 

The results of the special election today in New Mexico should offer Democrats some mild-- but only mild-- comfort heading into 2022. It was always a foregone conclusion that the Dem candidate was going to win the day and neither party invested much in the way of money and resources, but the Republicans fielded the very best candidate they could have in that district and he ran a pretty strong campaign in the first few weeks. If he had only lost by, say, 15 points or so (in a district Biden took by nearly 23%) it would have been an ominous sign for Democrats' prospects in actual swing districts. Instead, he got creamed to the tune of 25 points, a greater margin than that district saw even in the 2018 blue wave, despite the typical low turnout that accompanies special elections.

Obviously you can't extrapolate from one special election in a very blue district and predict how the country as a whole will vote in a year and a half, but special elections taken in aggregate do tend to foreshadow the upcoming midterms. Democrats' strong performance in 2017/18 special elections presaged their big wins in 2018, Republicans' strong performance in 2009/2010 special elections were a precursor to their wave in 2010. The fact that after four special elections neither party has clearly maintained the momentum makes me think that the Republican blowout some folks are expecting in 2022 won't materialize.

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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:02 pm 
 

The pigs in Minneapolis are at it again. This time, they carried out a premeditated assassination of a vocal political opponent. Mainstream media is ignoring this story and FB and Twitter are aggressively throttling the reach of any posts about it. This society needs to burn.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:07 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
The pigs in Minneapolis are at it again. This time, they carried out a premeditated assassination of a vocal political opponent. Mainstream media is ignoring this story and FB and Twitter are aggressively throttling the reach of any posts about it. This society needs to burn.

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The killing is bad enough on its own, but seeing the news and social media try to stop people from sharing this story is even worse. :(
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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:53 pm 
 

Before believing S&P's transparent spin, please just google for like 2 min.

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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:48 pm 
 

henkkjelle wrote:
Before believing S&P's transparent spin, please just google for like 2 min.


Yes, by all means, seek out the "transparent spin" of the murdering pigs who carried out this brazen targeted killing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:07 am 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
The pigs in Minneapolis are at it again. This time, they carried out a premeditated assassination of a vocal political opponent. Mainstream media is ignoring this story and FB and Twitter are aggressively throttling the reach of any posts about it. This society needs to burn.

Y'all really need to find better heroes and martyrs instead of pushing these criminals like Winston Smith and his ilk, it is not doing anything to help the black community, quite the opposite.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:57 am 
 

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Y'all really need to find better heroes and martyrs instead of pushing these criminals like Winston Smith and his ilk, it is not doing anything to help the black community, quite the opposite.

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Can't wait to hear about all of Motorhead72's Respectable Black Friends who also hate Winston Smith and George Floyd. We're officially back in the Clinton years, folks.

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Before believing S&P's transparent spin, please just google for like 2 min.

If anything, a 2 minute Google search should validate her spin. If you looked at the police reports and thought, "yeah, this all seems highly plausible," I've got one hell of a bridge to sell you.
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henkkjelle
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darkeningday wrote:
henkkjelle wrote:
Before believing S&P's transparent spin, please just google for like 2 min.

If anything, a 2 minute Google search should validate her spin. If you looked at the police reports and thought, "yeah, this all seems highly plausible," I've got one hell of a bridge to sell you.


Her spin is not that this was an unjustified police shooting, it's that this was an assassination of a political opponent and that the media is ignoring the story and throttling information about it.

And to clarify; there is no footage of the incident - at least not footage made by the cops, so yeah, the police reports trying to make clear that this was a justified shooting should be taken with a heavy serving of salt.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:08 am 
 

Okay so you agree that the MPD's report cannot be fully trusted until it's verified or at least litigated. Good, agreed. What confuses me is that this unvetted account by a notoriously corrupt police department is the only aspect of the shooting the media's running with, yet you've already decided that both of her claims cannot be true.

There are OTHER unvetted accounts the media is ignoring; the implication is that the MPD, despite totally being corrupt from stem to stern, is still more trustworthy than the victim's friends and family.

If your only arguement is that S&P jumped the gun on arriving at a conclusive motivation, I would also agree. But instead you dismissed it out of hand because you, according to you, did a 2 minute Google search containing only news reports of what the MPD said--including the MPD's prima facie claim that stinks to high heaven about why there's no filming of the incident.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:44 am 
 

What is the media ignoring? Multiple articles mention his family and friends and others talking about his death and how they think it could have been avoided, that he's been harassed by police multiple times before, how his reputation has been smeared, and that they want possible footage to be released, amongst other things.

Edit: As an european I am missing all the television reporting, so maybe it's possible they're being super biased in favor of the MPD there?

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He made a number of contentious anti-police statements on social media and then wound up dead by the hands of the police. It's also important to note the claim that the officers were not allowed to use surveillance gear is factually false.

Both of these rather critical facts have so far eluded the MSM.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:54 am 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
The pigs in Minneapolis are at it again. This time, they carried out a premeditated assassination of a vocal political opponent. Mainstream media is ignoring this story and FB and Twitter are aggressively throttling the reach of any posts about it. This society needs to burn.

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How can you tell FB/Twitter are trying to stop this story from being spread?
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henkkjelle wrote:
Before believing S&P's transparent spin, please just google for like 2 min.


I'm not seeing anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:57 am 
 

CoconutBackwards wrote:
henkkjelle wrote:
Before believing S&P's transparent spin, please just google for like 2 min.


I'm not seeing anything.


Is google's algorithm messing with results / limiting things maybe ? This is all over the 'real' media - Newsweek, CNN, Independent, Washington Post, Fox, Al Jazeera, Yahoo News, Daily Mail, USA Today... I mean, none of them are pretending it's a political assassination, but they are covering it quite openly. Might be that people's choice of search engine is throwing out their visibility ?

My search -
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=smith+minneapolis+us+marshals&ia=web
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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:15 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
He made a number of contentious anti-police statements on social media and then wound up dead by the hands of the police. It's also important to note the claim that the officers were not allowed to use surveillance gear is factually false.

Both of these rather critical facts have so far eluded the MSM.


Don't you think it would be irresponsible of the MSM to link his social media statements to his death when there is no information to link the two at this time outside of "it's possible I guess"? I think it would be as I've seen his statements on taking up arms against the police, and without further knowledge of the events that led to his death, they could just as easily be used to strengthen the MPD's narrative about him opening fire first.

I'd rather see the media be a little bit more reserved about creating narratives like this. Twitter accounts with hammer and sickle emojis don't care though as it's just an easy way to shoehorn in their ideology.

You're right that the officers were allowed to use body cams under new 2020 rules, but apparently that policy change is still being phased in. Which is dumb, and not an excuse.

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Sorry, it's 2021, if this was true the media would all over this like flies on shit. They love finding anything that could be spun negatively just for the ratings. Personally, I hold them responsible for 100% of the racial tension nowadays. They've been feeding into it for years, just waiting for the big pay-off.

So yeah, I have a hard time believing that the MSM is actively trying to cover up what could/would be another 'George Floyd' story.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:26 am 
 

I tend to agree with InappropriateResponse, not on the part the media plays in racial tension (that's way more complex than a single culprit) but on the fact that the media doesn't shy away from cases of murder by cop or minorities getting killed. It's all more likely that the issue isn't as black and white and that it would be irresponsible to accuse cops of murdering blatantly political opponents without evidence, even if one thinks it's likely.

Ultimately, what drives media is clicks, and such a story would garner a LOT, with foillow up stories and op-eds. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.

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InappropriateReponse wrote:
Sorry, it's 2021, if this was true the media would all over this like flies on shit. They love finding anything that could be spun negatively just for the ratings. Personally, I hold them responsible for 100% of the racial tension nowadays. They've been feeding into it for years, just waiting for the big pay-off.

So yeah, I have a hard time believing that the MSM is actively trying to cover up what could/would be another 'George Floyd' story.




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InappropriateReponse wrote:
Sorry, it's 2021, if this was true the media would all over this like flies on shit. They love finding anything that could be spun negatively just for the ratings. Personally, I hold them responsible for 100% of the racial tension nowadays. They've been feeding into it for years, just waiting for the big pay-off.

So yeah, I have a hard time believing that the MSM is actively trying to cover up what could/would be another 'George Floyd' story.


Racial tension is 100% on the people. All the media does is profit off of what already exists. You think that if the media wasn't capitalizing on this, that humanity would suddenly become a wonderful mass of loving individuals?

Racial tensions were here long before anybody reported on it.
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^yep. Saying the media had much of anything to do with--never mind caused--the protests and "racial tension" in America only shows how sheltered and coddled and pampered the person saying it is. If anything it was the one time the media let the veil slip on the artificial reality they've constructed for people like InappropriateSpelling, and rather than deal with the complicated and uncomfortable questions that arise, they howl "FAKE NEWS!" like a toddler in disbelief that he soiled himself.

But if you need a more simplistic and immediate answer as to why there's unrest, why don't you watch the full video of the murder of George Floyd. The whole thing, from beginning to end, without pausing or skipping.
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pyratebastard wrote:
InappropriateReponse wrote:
Sorry, it's 2021, if this was true the media would all over this like flies on shit. They love finding anything that could be spun negatively just for the ratings. Personally, I hold them responsible for 100% of the racial tension nowadays. They've been feeding into it for years, just waiting for the big pay-off.

So yeah, I have a hard time believing that the MSM is actively trying to cover up what could/would be another 'George Floyd' story.


Racial tension is 100% on the people. All the media does is profit off of what already exists. You think that if the media wasn't capitalizing on this, that humanity would suddenly become a wonderful mass of loving individuals?

Racial tensions were here long before anybody reported on it.

Eeeh, we're literally talking about the same media which gave a certain narcissistic clown billions' worth of free campaign coverage (raising his status from a hilarious troll to a leading candidate) while actively throttling coverage and campaigning of a certain candidate who was too "socialist". The same media which in many cases still covers climate change and even vaccines as a "debate" and makes raging transphobes sound like perfectly reasonable citizens with "concerns" (therefore raising the status of a handful of tinfoil hat narcissists to them dictating public debate).

Yeah, no. Humanity wouldn't suddenly become a wonderful mass of loving individuals, but pretending the media hasn't majorly fucked up the world (not just the US) in the past decade is an extreme level of denial. Lying by omission or exaggeration is still lying and modern media have absolutely mastered it, to the point of deciding which political movements sink or swim and yes, very much inflaming (existing) tensions for clicks and profit. Trust me, reading American media from across the ocean in particular makes the country sound unlivable and like constantly on the brink of a civil war. The tensions did not pop out of nowhere, but other than far-right grifters there is only one side that benefits from them.

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darkeningday wrote:
^yep. Saying the media had much of anything to do with--never mind caused--the protests and "racial tension" in America only shows how sheltered and coddled and pampered the person saying it is. If anything it was the one time the media let the veil slip on the artificial reality they've constructed for people like InappropriateSpelling, and rather than deal with the complicated and uncomfortable questions that arise, they howl "FAKE NEWS!" like a toddler in disbelief that he soiled himself.

But if you need a more simplistic and immediate answer as to why there's unrest, why don't you watch the full video of the murder of George Floyd. The whole thing, from beginning to end, without pausing or skipping.


Wow, all I said is that I don't believe this one particular example and all of a sudden I live a sheltered and pampered life and scream 'FAKE NEWS'? Congrats, you've been fully indoctrinated into believing the hysteria. Of course the tensions have existed for forever, I never said they didn't. I'm calling out the news for feeding into it, that's all.

The rest of your response is pure garbage constructed in your own mind. And yes, I'm well aware of how to spell 'response', my handle comes from something my son had said to me. IE: it's an inside joke.

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darkeningday wrote:
^yep. Saying the media had much of anything to do with--never mind caused--the protests and "racial tension" in America only shows how sheltered and coddled and pampered the person saying it is. If anything it was the one time the media let the veil slip on the artificial reality they've constructed for people like InappropriateSpelling, and rather than deal with the complicated and uncomfortable questions that arise, they howl "FAKE NEWS!" like a toddler in disbelief that he soiled himself.

But if you need a more simplistic and immediate answer as to why there's unrest, why don't you watch the full video of the murder of George Floyd. The whole thing, from beginning to end, without pausing or skipping.

Nothing InappropriateReponse said merits the kind of ad hominem attacks and disrespect you're throwing at them.

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Ezadara wrote:
Nothing InappropriateReponse said merits the kind of ad hominem attacks and disrespect you're throwing at them.


Hard disagree. He said some absurd shit and then motte-and-bailey'd when called out on it.
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Ezadara wrote:
Nothing InappropriateReponse said merits the kind of ad hominem attacks and disrespect you're throwing at them.


That's unfortunately how some people on these forums roll. They really like to insult people instead of discussing with them in a nice manner. I even get flack for asking people to be polite! :lol:

On the subject though I don't think the media creates the tensions but they sure ride the waves and make sure, the best they can, to fuel the fire once they've found a good angle. Doesn't mean its not based in reality but we can all see how there are trends in media coverage.

BLM was huge a year ago or so. Trump was a click machine for his 4+ years in the political limelight. Greta Thunberg was the media darling pre-covid etc. Once something cools off its usually off to another thing though. In some cases it comes to a natural end, like the end of a presidency. In other cases it's probably that there is nothing new to add to the story to drive ad revenue. In Sweden we see this in reports of honour killings for example. They don't stop happening but the media push to write about it flourishes for a few weeks and then goes away for a long time, years usually, and then comes back up when the subject generates clicks again again.
Sometimes something else comes in and takes over. Climate change was huge in Swedish media and then came corona and climate change was seriously under-reported (yeah, that's not a word in English I know). Or how some American media were all over the "don't go out in crowds" thing at the start of corona but totally changed when BLM happened (often arguing it was for a greater cause).
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Oblarg wrote:
Ezadara wrote:
Nothing InappropriateReponse said merits the kind of ad hominem attacks and disrespect you're throwing at them.


Hard disagree. He said some absurd shit and then motte-and-bailey'd when called out on it.

If throwing every condescending phrase from the "wake up sheeple" textbook at someone is your idea of "calling out", good luck having productive discussions with anyone about anything.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:56 pm 
 

"The media carries 100% of the blame for racial tension today" is a Lou Dobbs chyron. I'm not exactly sure how you go about having a productive discussion when starting from that premise. Seems a lot easier to explain it is unexamined privilege.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:28 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
"The media carries 100% of the blame for racial tension today" is a Lou Dobbs chyron. I'm not exactly sure how you go about having a productive discussion when starting from that premise. Seems a lot easier to explain it is unexamined privilege.


Well, you sure didn't bother trying that's for sure. I don't defend the statement (I think its false) but I think one can at least put in some effort instead of going straight to bullying and personal insults.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:50 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
"The media carries 100% of the blame for racial tension today" is a Lou Dobbs chyron. I'm not exactly sure how you go about having a productive discussion when starting from that premise. Seems a lot easier to explain it is unexamined privilege.


Because that would take an once of critical thought, which in one response, you've proven incapable of doing.

Stick to your buzzwords, son, it seems to be about your speed.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:45 pm 
 

InappropriateReponse wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
"The media carries 100% of the blame for racial tension today" is a Lou Dobbs chyron. I'm not exactly sure how you go about having a productive discussion when starting from that premise. Seems a lot easier to explain it is unexamined privilege.


Because that would take an once of critical thought, which in one response, you've proven incapable of doing.

Stick to your buzzwords, son, it seems to be about your speed.

I personally think darkeningday's response was 100% appropriate. If you post blatantly idiotic statements like claiming that media is responsible for "100% of the racial tension nowadays" (which even you yourself backpedalled out of) you can hardly blame others for responding harshly.

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InappropriateReponse
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:31 pm 
 

No, dipshit made a reaction based on an assumption. I mean, we can play semantics all day long, if you want, the end result will still be the same.

And that's fine, it's really not their fault. They've been conditioned, over the years, to go with 'their gut feeling' instead of actual reasoning. It's been, what's the term nowadays? Normalized. Knee-jerk, emotional reactions replaced logic years ago when it comes to any sort of debate.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:55 pm 
 

Some condescending asshole: "Personally, I hold [the media] responsible for 100% of the racial tension nowadays."
Also this same asshole: "You're all reactionary, conditioned dipshits who use feelings over evidence. I am very intelligent."

OK bye, troll
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:02 pm 
 

I see, and you calling them a dipshit is a logical, reasoned statement as opposed to an emotional reaction, I guess?

(If the media indeed were 100% responsible, then what logically follows is that everyone else is thus completely and utterly blameless in the matter.

"Everyone else" just so happens to include, ya know, racial hate crime perpetrators; NIMBY-types and other everyday bigots; marching neonazis; politicians with a fondness of spouting anti-immigrant rhetoric; people that use peaceful protests as an opportunity to loot or to get into fights with the protestors; a mob that stormed the White House; cops that kill unarmed, unresisting black men and women; and so on.

Assigning a whole 0% of the blame to the entirety of them is obviously and blatantly bullshit)

EDIT: Ah, Morrigan got there first.

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