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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:26 pm 
 

This is probably the least serious thing he is going to face, but it is still awesome to read the headline, "TRUMP INDICTED" in big font letters
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MalignantTyrant
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:47 pm 
 

I mean...it would be nice if he went to prison for a substantial amount of time.

From hearing folks talk about it at work, I wish I could share some of my coworkers' optimism, but I just can't.

Affluence and political power often go hand in hand, and it isn't unheard of for people with those things going for them to face less severe consequences. Doesn't matter if it's a drunk driver or a political figure.

I mean there's even a term relating to it, for crying out loud. Justice is not nearly as blind as we'd all like to believe it is (by we I mean the collective "we" as a society)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:34 am 
 

I don't see Trump going to prison even if he's found guilty and has to do time, because he'll be doing time via house arrest 100%.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:10 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
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Literally nobody argued that point, now you're putting words into my mouth. I think your gun laws are draconian and that your government hasn't exactly fixed anything by enacting such strict gun control in a country that never really had a serious gun violence problem to begin with.

Yeah we don't have gun violence problems like you do
Because we have gun control legislation

That's the whole point lol

Turns out when it's harder to get guns, it's harder to commit gun violence! Who would have thought. And "not fixed anything" my ass, gun violence massively dropped after gun control legislation was enacted. This was also the case in Australia.

Being 101% real, this is one of the reasons why Canada is clearly better than the United States. In addition, The United States is Max Payne 1 accompanied by constant assaults type GTA.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:16 am 
 

I've never liked Trump as a person or as a president, so take what I'm about to say in a certain amount of context.

Trump has now become the first former president in American history to be indicted – not over actions he allegedly took as president, but over an alleged hush payment in a sex scandal prior to becoming president – and not based on clear-cut or well-established precepts of criminal law, but instead grounded in dubious and novel theories yet to be approved by any court about whether this would even be a crime if they could prove it. And it is not being done with an apolitical appearance, but the exact opposite, in Ground Zero for American liberalism: Manhattan, carried out by a just elected Democratic Party prosecutor of the strain heavily supported by Democratic Party mega-donors, in fact the much ballywhooed boogeyman that the Right love to trot out, George Soros, gave money to the PAC that then promoted Alvin Bragg (the prosecutor)'s candidacy.

Trump may be a sleazy human being but that is far different than some serious criminal charge. I am all about fairness and I hate hypocrisy. If hush payments to a porn star are worth front page headlines and a serious legal consideration, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander, and they should be going after any dubious business dealings of Biden in Ukraine and China. But they never will, because its a political war, and one side has to win, and it has nothing to do with fairness.

The charges specifically are not yet published, which means we don't know exactly what the charges are, but we know what this investigation is about. We know what the charges relate to. And it's something the public has known about for a long time - they knew everything about this case when they went to the voting booth in November of 2016 and voted for Donald Trump despite knowing about it then. They knew about it throughout Trump's presidency, and they knew about it in 2020 when, despite the extraordinary harms of the COVID pandemic and the economic devastation accompanying the lockdowns, they almost reelected him. That was a very tightly contested election.

Trump is a radioactive figure, no doubt, but the lengths being taken to ensure that he never has a chance of staging a comeback are dubious, and the people that champion it should question just how committed they are to either democratic ideals, fairness, or transparency. Perhaps some might say that the Right always played dirty and that therefore the Left has to match them in order to have any chance of fighting back, but I would counter saying that that is not an acceptable sacrifice.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:21 pm 
 

This will be a jury trial, no? I'll leave it up to them to decide. A grand jury decided the charges are valid and worth litigating. It's not as if this guy hasn't taken other people to court over frivolous bullshit. He's used the courts his entire life to screw people, and even when he has and lost, he's walked out the front doors of the courthouse and claimed victory, hitting the person or business with yet another layer of insult and injury. I'm not sure we can be idealistic and worry about how it looks. I'd like to take the high road, but in this very moment in time, that's pie in the sky. It's bringing a stuffed animal to a gun fight. I do wish the Georgia situation had come first.

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Ezadara
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:09 pm 
 

Ukrajijajajana wrote:
Trump may be a sleazy human being but that is far different than some serious criminal charge. I am all about fairness and I hate hypocrisy. If hush payments to a porn star are worth front page headlines and a serious legal consideration, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander, and they should be going after any dubious business dealings of Biden in Ukraine and China. But they never will, because its a political war, and one side has to win, and it has nothing to do with fairness.

Your framing and comparisons are completely off the mark.

First of all, Trump was not indicted for 'hush payments to a porn star'. In fact, nobody knows what the indictment is for, because it hasn't been unsealed yet (as you mention, although somehow that doesn't stop you from dismissing the indictment out of hand). Many reputable news sources are saying the indictment includes about 30 charges related to business fraud, and business fraud is a crime. Specifically, most legal experts suspect that the indictment relates to Trump falsifying business records related to the payment to portray them as a 'legal expense'-- that's a crime. And if he falsified those records to cover up a campaign finance violation, which the payment to Daniels could constitute-- that's a felony. There is nothing novel or dubious about any of that. Anybody else doing those things would be charged, convicted, and sentenced to anywhere between one and four years in prison. Are we supposed to just... not charge Trump because you don't think it's serious enough? That's not how the law works. Everybody is beholden to the law, no matter how minor the infraction is, no matter how major the suspect is. If George Bush shoplifted a candy bar from his local 7-11, he could and should be found guilty of misdemeanor theft and made to pay a fine the way anybody else would.

Maybe more importantly, your attempt to draw an equivalence between Biden and Trump is senseless, and I think even you have some idea that that's the case, because while Trump has been indicted for very specific crimes, all you can point to is 'any dubious business dealings' (like what?) that 'they' (who?) should be 'going after' (how?). For starters, I wouldn't worry, because I promise you the Republican House is going to spend the next couple of years wasting everybody's time while they investigate Biden on absolutely everything they can think of. More to the point, the 'dubious business dealings of Biden in Ukraine and China' have been investigated. Biden and his supposed 'dealings' with Ukraine and China have been looked at ever since the Republicans began howling about it in a lame bid to distract from the fact that their party's leader tried to get a foreign power to interfere in an election and investigate his political opponent. Nothing has ever come of it that even begins to rise to the level of a crime-- not even one as minor (as you seem to think) as business fraud.

Trump has been given due process. Evidence has been collected and placed before a jury of his peers. That jury has found the evidence sufficiently credible as to rise to the level of a formal accusation. Trump will now have the opportunity to attend a plea hearing, to make a plea, and (when he inevitably pleas not guilty or refuses to plea), to go to trial and defend himself. That is how the law works. All this talk of 'but Bragg's a Democrat! Manhattan's liberal Ground Zero! Soros!' is nothing but noise. Trump is being afforded every right to which he's entitled as an American citizen accused of a crime.

Also, not that it has anything to do with anything, but--

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He lost by four and a half points. Joe Biden won the highest vote share of any candidate to defeat a sitting President in nearly a hundred years. The public did not almost reelect Donald Trump, a senseless and archaic electoral boondoggle almost reelected him-- in defiance of the clear will of the public.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:44 am 
 

Didn't Trump get the second highest amount of total votes EVER in 2020?

Yeah the number goes up every year and Biden's margin of victory was high and yes the system is obviously stupid and broken, but let's not pretend that fascism isn't incredibly fuckin popular right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:55 am 
 

Ukrajijajajana wrote:

Trump may be a sleazy human being but that is far different than some serious criminal charge. I am all about fairness and I hate hypocrisy. If hush payments to a porn star are worth front page headlines and a serious legal consideration, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander, and they should be going after any dubious business dealings of Biden in Ukraine and China. But they never will, because its a political war, and one side has to win, and it has nothing to do with fairness.


The "dubious business dealings" are conspiracy theories. If they were anything more than that, someone should investigate them. But they're not. They're both projections.

Ukrajijajajana wrote:
The charges specifically are not yet published, which means we don't know exactly what the charges are, but we know what this investigation is about. We know what the charges relate to. And it's something the public has known about for a long time - they knew everything about this case when they went to the voting booth in November of 2016 and voted for Donald Trump despite knowing about it then. They knew about it throughout Trump's presidency, and they knew about it in 2020 when, despite the extraordinary harms of the COVID pandemic and the economic devastation accompanying the lockdowns, they almost reelected him. That was a very tightly contested election.

Trump is a radioactive figure, no doubt, but the lengths being taken to ensure that he never has a chance of staging a comeback are dubious, and the people that champion it should question just how committed they are to either democratic ideals, fairness, or transparency. Perhaps some might say that the Right always played dirty and that therefore the Left has to match them in order to have any chance of fighting back, but I would counter saying that that is not an acceptable sacrifice.


This isn't an attempt at preventing him from staging a comeback. It's pretty clear that Trump can still be the presidential candidate despite being indicted, and probably even if found guilty. Trump has allegedly broken the law, a grand jury found there was enough evidence to indict, and that's that. This isn't about playing dirty. The accusations that the investigation are purely political are just conservative disinformation. Trump has been known to be a shady character since the 80s: stiffing his contractors, ties with the mob, ties with Russia, etc. The fact that it took so long to be indicted is what's preposterous here. Him being a former president shouldn't protect him from consequences.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 10:21 am 
 

Some points that you guys make I agree with, other I do not. I'll respond more to individual points later when I have more time, but for now all I can say is this: I really, and you should really, hope that there is enough in this indictment to stick. Because if for whatever reason it doesn't, or the whole thing falls apart, then there will be no stopping Trump's supporters into seeing it as a politically motivated move and will, in my opinion, almost guarantee his election aspirations next year. Making the buffoon into a martyr because of strategic blunders. It's an incredible risk to take, and I hope that it isn't a flop like the whole saga of the classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago, which could have been a deal-breaker for Trump but ended up looking vindictive more than anything else.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:07 am 
 

If you can trust the polls...and you really can't...60% believe this is all OK. Of course, if you break it down to party affiliation, you get what you'd expect, but even if you take the MAGA base of 30% of Rs, 60% is no laughing matter. This country knows who he is and how he operates. They know he has no use for the law, no respect for the law, feels rules and mores don't apply to him, and so on.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:25 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Didn't Trump get the second highest amount of total votes EVER in 2020?

Yeah the number goes up every year and Biden's margin of victory was high and yes the system is obviously stupid and broken, but let's not pretend that fascism isn't incredibly fuckin popular right now.

We should also not pretend that impulse to fascism isn't being abetted by the structure of the American electoral system. Obviously the fact that Trump won so many votes shows how deep the rot in the American body politic goes but the public did not almost reelect him.

Ukrajijajajana wrote:
It's an incredible risk to take, and I hope that it isn't a flop like the whole saga of the classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago, which could have been a deal-breaker for Trump but ended up looking vindictive more than anything else.

If they had chosen not to pursue the case for fear of boosting Trump's electoral prospects, that would have been political.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:27 pm 
 

Ukrajijajajana wrote:
Some points that you guys make I agree with, other I do not. I'll respond more to individual points later when I have more time, but for now all I can say is this: I really, and you should really, hope that there is enough in this indictment to stick. Because if for whatever reason it doesn't, or the whole thing falls apart, then there will be no stopping Trump's supporters into seeing it as a politically motivated move and will, in my opinion, almost guarantee his election aspirations next year. Making the buffoon into a martyr because of strategic blunders. It's an incredible risk to take, and I hope that it isn't a flop like the whole saga of the classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago, which could have been a deal-breaker for Trump but ended up looking vindictive more than anything else.


Trump himself admitted publicly that his supporters can witness him murder someone in raw daylight and it wouldn't matter -- he'd still have their votes. He was spot-on with that comment.

This supposed martyrdom might help him win the Republican nomination (somehow illegal activity is now appealing to the constituents of the 'law and order party'), but how many independents who didn't vote for him in '20 will it bring him? How many moderately conservative Republicans who voted Biden will it win him? Are there are any Democrats who will vote for him?

I almost think the Dems WANT him 'martyred', hoping it gives him the GOP nomination. They probably rightly believe he's easier to beat than DeSantis.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:12 pm 
 

Well, right now according to polls, he easily beats DeSantis for the GOP primary. Not sure how much a relief it is.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:11 pm 
 

The indictments are apparently relating to various forms of business fraud, and concerning the hush money payment case (which is just one of many), the felony here is using campaign funds to pay for it, not simply buying her silence per se.

Michael Cohen, his former lawyer, went to prison over it, remember?

On top of that:

Ezadara wrote:
If they had chosen not to pursue the case for fear of boosting Trump's electoral prospects, that would have been political.


Exactly. Absolutely boggles my mind how people can't see that. "We should not prosecute Trump even if he committed crimes, because that prosecution may help elect him" is galaxy brain bullshit.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:59 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
The indictments are apparently relating to various forms of business fraud, and concerning the hush money payment case (which is just one of many), the felony here is using campaign funds to pay for it, not simply buying her silence per se.

Michael Cohen, his former lawyer, went to prison over it, remember?

On top of that:

Ezadara wrote:
If they had chosen not to pursue the case for fear of boosting Trump's electoral prospects, that would have been political.


Exactly. Absolutely boggles my mind how people can't see that. "We should not prosecute Trump even if he committed crimes, because that prosecution may help elect him" is galaxy brain bullshit.


All spot-on.

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ZenoMarx
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:12 pm 
 

Curious_dead wrote:
Well, right now according to polls, he easily beats DeSantis for the GOP primary. Not sure how much a relief it is.

The response is juvenile. I expect the MAGAs to do their caveman MAGA thing, but for all the other Rs rallying around this as some form of tantrum rebellion, they're more concerning to me. The nuts are...well...nuts, but the invertebrate children have no excuse. They lack any and all integrity.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:48 pm 
 

Ukrajijajajana wrote:
Some points that you guys make I agree with, other I do not. I'll respond more to individual points later when I have more time, but for now all I can say is this: I really, and you should really, hope that there is enough in this indictment to stick. Because if for whatever reason it doesn't, or the whole thing falls apart, then there will be no stopping Trump's supporters into seeing it as a politically motivated move and will, in my opinion, almost guarantee his election aspirations next year. Making the buffoon into a martyr because of strategic blunders. It's an incredible risk to take, and I hope that it isn't a flop like the whole saga of the classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago, which could have been a deal-breaker for Trump but ended up looking vindictive more than anything else.


As per your last sentence about the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, that is NOT over yet, and he very well could still be indicted for that, so I don't know why you think it's all over. If I'm wrong about that, I'd be surprised. Not to mention the whole Georgia thing and the rape case. He's not going to be out of the woods even if somehow he just gets a slap on the wrist here, which I'm hoping he doesn't. There are still more than a couple things he could be indicted for.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:38 pm 
 

I didn't think about that but that's true, there are potentially a plethora of things he could end up facing charges for.

Shit, maybe he will end up in prison after all, one way or another. We can only hope
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What a week for conservatives, Trump heads to court and Budlight "goes woke".
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:26 am 
 

Space_alligator wrote:
What a week for conservatives, Trump heads to court and Budlight "goes woke".

There's also this video where Kid Rock shot up a bunch of Bud Light cans over this.

I couldn't make this up if I wanted to...
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https://www.propublica.org/article/clar ... gifts-crow

Crazy stuff. This is what our decision makers get up to... we need to quit talking about dumb Bud Light ads. More important shit out there.
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Empyreal wrote:
https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow

Crazy stuff. This is what our decision makers get up to... we need to quit talking about dumb Bud Light ads. More important shit out there.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:31 pm 
 

I don't think Boebert, and her fellow numbskulls, realize "if they can do it to Trump, they can do it to you" doesn't hit quite like they think it does.

And Desantis talking about Rs are out there fighting nazis? Does he know what party he is in?

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Republicans seem to be totally consumed by the culture war. I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect, but they seem to stick to... you know politics.

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That's probably why they got absolutely crushed in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election this week. 15 years of trying and Dems finally broke the conservative stranglehold on the court. In a crucial purple state that has probably the most egregious gerrymandering in the country, that's huge.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:16 am 
 

I don't understand this expelling thing. Censure, yes, but expelling, and expelling for publicly protesting or breaking floor rules? If it is that easy, I'm surprised it isn't more commonly used. does that district now have no representation? then creating a situation for a special election? can this guy take legal action or request the state supreme court to get involved? it's bizarre that this is even a thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:34 am 
 

ZenoMarx wrote:
does that district now have no representation? then creating a situation for a special election?

The district has no representation now but the county commission can appoint a successor. There's not much precedent but the consensus seems to be that the commissions can just reappoint the ousted lawmakers, making this-- unbelievably for Republicans, I know-- nothing but anti-democratic, divisive theater.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:21 pm 
 

ZenoMarx wrote:
I don't understand this expelling thing. Censure, yes, but expelling, and expelling for publicly protesting or breaking floor rules? If it is that easy, I'm surprised it isn't more commonly used. does that district now have no representation? then creating a situation for a special election? can this guy take legal action or request the state supreme court to get involved? it's bizarre that this is even a thing.

I think you are going to see it more commonly used now. Wisconsin Republicans were talking about impeaching the new Justice even before she was elected. Montana Republicans are pushing legislation that would allow the top 2 candidates in the primary on the 2024 ballot, regardless of party, in an effort to push out their Democrat senator (and the legislation would be good for exactly 1 election, the 2024 general election).

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:26 pm 
 

ZenoMarx wrote:
I don't understand this expelling thing. Censure, yes, but expelling, and expelling for publicly protesting or breaking floor rules? If it is that easy, I'm surprised it isn't more commonly used. does that district now have no representation? then creating a situation for a special election? can this guy take legal action or request the state supreme court to get involved? it's bizarre that this is even a thing.

It's real easy to understand....look who got expelled and look at who didn't! It is really that simple.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:29 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
The indictments are apparently relating to various forms of business fraud, and concerning the hush money payment case (which is just one of many), the felony here is using campaign funds to pay for it, not simply buying her silence per se.

Michael Cohen, his former lawyer, went to prison over it, remember?

On top of that:

Ezadara wrote:
If they had chosen not to pursue the case for fear of boosting Trump's electoral prospects, that would have been political.


Exactly. Absolutely boggles my mind how people can't see that. "We should not prosecute Trump even if he committed crimes, because that prosecution may help elect him" is galaxy brain bullshit.

My favorite is using the whole "Soros bought DA." The grand jury is made up of the citizens of New York. I guess Soros bought them too? :lol:
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mjollnir wrote:
ZenoMarx wrote:
I don't understand this expelling thing. Censure, yes, but expelling, and expelling for publicly protesting or breaking floor rules? If it is that easy, I'm surprised it isn't more commonly used. does that district now have no representation? then creating a situation for a special election? can this guy take legal action or request the state supreme court to get involved? it's bizarre that this is even a thing.

It's real easy to understand....look who got expelled and look at who didn't! It is really that simple.


I can't put my finger on it, but I feel something isn't quite white...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:24 am 
 

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"Why do you need more than 10 rounds in your gun?"
"Nobody needs an AR15!"
will become
"Why do you need more than 7 rounds in your gun?"
"Nobody needs a Springfield M1A!"

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ZenoMarx
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:21 pm 
 

It's a bummer to me that the Fox News audience is never even going to know about this settlement. In the end, money wins. I worked for an older retired couple not that long ago, and as I was in their home all day, Fox News was on the entire time. They never changed the channel. It's like that ever day at their house. I know them well enough that I asked them what they thought of the law suit with Dominion. They had zero clue what I was talking about. Fox obviously never mentioned it. And now Fox will never have to talk about it. Those millions of people who watch Fox News like this couple will never even hear about this settlement or any of the evidence already played out on other media. Everyone wondering how people can still be watching Fox News after all this should acknowledge the fact that many of them never heard about this law suit. It isn't only because they're doubling down on their choice and being loyal to their team. Total ignorance is why.

By the way, this is the type of couple that has been scarred to death about the world by Fox News and the bias-affirming shit on TV like Judge Judy. The type that would shoot first because a black person was soliciting at their door or someone used their driveway to turn around. Absolute fright about the world. Locked up in their fortified castle like it is all ending.

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Curious_dead
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:41 pm 
 

ZenoMarx wrote:

By the way, this is the type of couple that has been scarred to death about the world by Fox News and the bias-affirming shit on TV like Judge Judy. The type that would shoot first because a black person was soliciting at their door or someone used their driveway to turn around. Absolute fright about the world. Locked up in their fortified castle like it is all ending.


Or because a cheerleader opened the door to the wrong vehicle and went back to hers. Because yes, there was another incident like that.

I really wish the Dominion settlement had a clause forcing Fox News to have a segment with someone from Dominion, at prime time, at least. Or force Fox News to show ads explaining th Dominion process with a message from the wronged party.

But no one likes losing almost a billion dollars, even a company as wealthy as Fox News. There are also other actions targewting Fox News and rumors of some going directly after individuals (Tucker Carlson?). So that "lamost a billion dollar" may soon be "1.5 billion dolalrs", if not more.

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Ill-Starred Son
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:57 pm 
 

ZenoMarx wrote:
It's a bummer to me that the Fox News audience is never even going to know about this settlement. In the end, money wins. I worked for an older retired couple not that long ago, and as I was in their home all day, Fox News was on the entire time. They never changed the channel. It's like that ever day at their house. I know them well enough that I asked them what they thought of the law suit with Dominion. They had zero clue what I was talking about. Fox obviously never mentioned it. And now Fox will never have to talk about it. Those millions of people who watch Fox News like this couple will never even hear about this settlement or any of the evidence already played out on other media. Everyone wondering how people can still be watching Fox News after all this should acknowledge the fact that many of them never heard about this law suit. It isn't only because they're doubling down on their choice and being loyal to their team. Total ignorance is why.

By the way, this is the type of couple that has been scarred to death about the world by Fox News and the bias-affirming shit on TV like Judge Judy. The type that would shoot first because a black person was soliciting at their door or someone used their driveway to turn around. Absolute fright about the world. Locked up in their fortified castle like it is all ending.


That really pisses me off, but I already figured this would probably be the case for most of them. I mean is there any way that anyone who works at Fox is going to admit to having lost this lawsuit and that everything they and Trump said was a lie? Of course they'll avoid it, and because their idiot viewers won't watch anything else, they'll continue to believe the election was stolen.

I mean I do tend to wonder, even if they did hear about the lawsuit, would they stick to their guns considering that undoubtedly Trump will STILL say the election was stolen? Probably. They'd find any way possible to rationalize it using crazy conspiracy theories.

But...I will enjoy hearing that small percentage of Fox viewers who do find out trying to make excuses.

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Ill-Starred Son
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:59 pm 
 

Curious_dead wrote:
ZenoMarx wrote:

By the way, this is the type of couple that has been scarred to death about the world by Fox News and the bias-affirming shit on TV like Judge Judy. The type that would shoot first because a black person was soliciting at their door or someone used their driveway to turn around. Absolute fright about the world. Locked up in their fortified castle like it is all ending.


Or because a cheerleader opened the door to the wrong vehicle and went back to hers. Because yes, there was another incident like that.

I really wish the Dominion settlement had a clause forcing Fox News to have a segment with someone from Dominion, at prime time, at least. Or force Fox News to show ads explaining th Dominion process with a message from the wronged party.

But no one likes losing almost a billion dollars, even a company as wealthy as Fox News. There are also other actions targewting Fox News and rumors of some going directly after individuals (Tucker Carlson?). So that "lamost a billion dollar" may soon be "1.5 billion dolalrs", if not more.


Do you think it'll EVER come out on Fox? You really think they'll be able to avoid the subject 100% forever without ever letting anything slip?

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ZenoMarx
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:02 pm 
 

I believe Fox reported $4.61B in profits in the first quarter of 2023. Sure, $788M is a lot of money, and 10Xs Dominion's value, but it is essentially inconsequential in the overall Fox scheme. It does nothing to the corporation, and because the issue is basically dead for now, it will cost them nothing in the near future. Their train won't feel that pebble on the track.

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:57 pm 
 

It's a bummer that Dominion settled. Sure it's one of the biggest, maybe the biggest libel settlement payout in American history and all, but overall it won't hurt Fox at all, it'll barely sting them like a mosquito bite. Zeno is absolutely correct that their viewers won't even know about it, too. It's just so depressing.

ZenoMarx wrote:
The type that would shoot first because a black person was soliciting at their door or someone used their driveway to turn around. Absolute fright about the world. Locked up in their fortified castle like it is all ending.


Y'all are probably aware, but just in case anyone thinks Zeno is exaggerating, these examples literally happened both over less than a WEEK:

16 year old black kid shot (fortunately he survived) in the head, twice, through the door, for ringing a doorbell
https://www.kcur.org/news/2023-04-16/ra ... n-shooting

20 year old woman shot (and unfortunately killed) for accidentally turning in the wrong driveway... shot as she was LEAVING, too
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman ... index.html
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:01 pm 
 

Won't somebody think of the childr.... oh wait

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/f ... all-grades
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