Hello since this is the tavern and we can talk about any topic I came to present to you a little resume of the elections of my country, Argentina. Here we can discuss the results of the last PASO election but seems a lot of you guys came from different parts of the world like Europe, the United States, or almost anywhere, so I will give a little context, trying to be as neutral as I can.

These are the official numbers.


There are a variety of political parties in the region, each with its own unique platforms and visions for the future. The purple and the party that won the election is La Libertad Avanza, which is led by expert economist Javier Milei and advocates for anarcho-capitalism and extreme right views. They have proposed policies such as burning the central bank and dollarizing the economy. He is considered the anti-political caste candidate, almost like a punishment for the traditional Argentinian politics

Another coalition the yellow one, consisting primarily of the UCR and PRO parties, governed from 2015 to 2019 but faced some social dissatisfaction during their time in power. They are the historic center-right parties of Argentina, Mauricio Macri was the president during that time. He was the one who ask for the biggest loan of the IMF of all time, this led to inflation and very violent politics against the people.

The Peronistas, my party, the blue party, recently lost the elections to the center-left ruling party, Unión por la Patria (UP), which reflects the legacy of the Kirchners. The Peronistas are responsible for their loss due to the worsening situation since 2019 - uncontrollable inflation, lack of employment opportunities, and high levels of violence in the country. As a result, they came in third place in the primaries. It's a sad situation because I don't think either of the other candidates will resolve anything, they will just add more fire to the fire as every right-wing government does.

In order to have a fighting chance, the Peronist party must enact substantial reforms and target moderate voters, rather than allowing the extremist Javier Milei to gain ground. The results of the primaries will ultimately decide the fate of the candidates.

Milei looks like a complete wacko. It'd be a pretty hard blow for any left-wing momentum in the country if he takes power. Sorry to hear about your situation.

It seems like we are late to the party with our own versions of Trump, Bolsonaro, and Abascal. But with so many countries experiencing this trend, it's not surprising that we've joined in. The rise of the New Right, particularly this odd populist anti-political version, seems to be a permanent fixture.

I guess this is only interestin to us (Im Argentinian too). I don´t like Peronists or JxC, and I think that Milei has some good ideas and some crazy ones, and he looks like a disturbed guy. But in general I think he is right that we have to reduce the size of the state, reduce the number of public emploees (the gnoquis) and the public spending. Free market is important to develope a country. Just that. I dont know if Milei is the guy for the job, but for sure Masa is not (in fact he is the actual economy minister and under his command the inflation grew to 140% from 55%), and the JxC candidate... well you know her haha

I'm interested, but it gets almost no press here in the USA. Public TV covers it, and somewhat extensively, but most of the world doesn't exist on bigger network and general cable TV. It's one big reason why Americans are so ignorant.

Which of the candidates is from the political center?

I strongly disagree with much of what you said. But I understand your discomfort with the political situation of the country. I think that most right-wing discourse revolves around blaming social policies and not the financial crisis that the IMF brought to the nation. I support Sergio Massa I think he is the most capable man for the job, he is widely known in the political scene of our country, a measured man who can dialogue with the opposition and get to agreements in the political sphere.

On the other side, Milei has a very extreme view of the economy, we already tried policies similar to the ones he promotes in the periods of José Martínez de Hoz in the 1976 dictatorship, the 90's Cavallo neo-liberal policies, and lastly Macri's last government. They all lead to recession, poverty, hunger, and social collapse, including lots of deaths especially among the poor people.

Sergio Massa from Unión por la Patria is the most centrist candidate, Milei represents the extreme populist right wing, and Patricia Bullrich the traditional right wing of the country.

You guys should pay attention to our elections, since the most voted candidate advocates for the dollarization of the economy. This will not be possible without the support of the American Congress. We have our new brand of the new populist right ala Trump, this is something new in Argentinian politics.

I've been to Argentina a bunch of times and I've met many Argentinians, most of you appear to be cultured and educated, yet I don't understand how you always end up choosing all these wackos for president.

Javier Milei is like your Kast, he is a right-wing populist. I Love Chile, nice place, especially the northern side, pretty cool desert and beaches.

I am 28 years old, born and raised in this country, and let me tell you, most Argentinians are not cultured and educated. You can chalk it up to our education system being defunded and destroyed over decades, on top of deliberate efforts to hide the weight of cultural imperialism and white supremacy in our history. The vast majority of Argentinians have little to no idea about our past or how it impacts the present, they just stick to what they learned in primary school + whatever they hear on TV.

This fascist shitlick wants to set social progress by a century and finish the long-standing process of handing us over to the US in a neat little bow for his Atlas Network string-pullers, and people are desperate enough to believe he has the country's best interests at heart. It's a disgrace, but it's not unexpected, considering the catastrophic failures of previous and present government (nevermind active sabotage by Macri, that soulless rat). It was only a matter of time until we got our very own Trump-lite dingleberry running for power and actually having a chance at it.

My mother's family, herself included, loves this guy. It drives me insane. We're all Jews, but because none of them know what happens when some nutjob with a weird haircut starts yelling about eliminating sex ed from schools they think he's the Second Coming. The sheer ignorance on display is staggering, and they will not listen to reason because they think they're gonna be earning dollars and "they won't teach porn in schools anymore". I would be laughing if I didn't have friends who I actually care about literally afraid for their lives.

This country's a joke.

Well. Massa is the ACTUAL economy minister. And since he asumed a year ago the crisis went worst. When he took charge inflation was arround 70% and now is 140%. He did nothing to avoid it. So no. Massa is not a good candidate.

I've read that Milei says his dogs are his politial and economic advisors. He presumably communicates with them through a mystic. Someone paying to know what his dogs are thinking about the economy does not look like a good administrator to me.

And you beieve that? really?

I don't like Milei very much. The idea of ​​someone who despises politicians, and becomes one too... it just sounds very bad to me.

I neither believe nor stop believing. But I think it is reasonable to think eccentric politicians could have had some eccentric behaviours.

Just wanted to drop this here:
Any thoughts OP?

The Economist will always say the same as the IMF, I strongly disagree with much of the explanations of the crisis in the video. The problem isn't public spending like health, education, and social services, the problem is the banks, the International Monetary Fund debt, and the shock doctrine that capitalists in my country always impose. Blaming Perón for our crisis always covers the fact that we were governed by almost six different United States-backed far-right military dictatorships all along the XX century, the last one being the bloodiest one and the one that began all the economic crises that we have faced to this day. But Americans and Europeans don't like Perón, because he gave a big fuck you to their imperialist interest in the region, they will never forgive a nation who stood against their interest.

Well, he helped organize ratlines for Nazis after WWII and admired a lot of fascist figures there, so I can forgive Europeans for begrudging him at least.

Thank you for commenting. I kind of always figure that reports like this are spun and do not represent the actual truth so I appreciate you letting us know how things really are. I didn't post this here to make a point of any kind either. Just kind of curious and your thoughts are informative.
Kiitos avusta.

In terms of expanding tragedy and misery throughout the world, no European country can really say a thing to Argentina, especially France, the United Kingdom, and Germany. Perón did what he thought was the best for the country, for the times they were.

The Economist will always represent the international right-wing liberal European view of the world. I really don't agree with much of what they have to say.

Well, Milei won. Can I go to Argentina and get me some new lungs now?

What you say here is your opinion, the actual debt with the IMF is uss 45 billion, but the totalamount of Argentinian public debt is uss360 billion, and remember that Peronism is the political party with more agreements with the IMF with eleven, radicales 6, militar goverments 6 and others... I totally agree that if you spend more money than what you produce, sooner or later youll have problems, beinf inflation the most important. From dec 10 we will have a new president with a different ideology, lets hpe he can bring prosperity and well being to this beautiful country

We're a country full of fucking troglodytes.

This is all I have to say about our elections.

Yeah. Because democracy is good when your cabdidate wins and is for retarded when your candidate loose. You dont sound democratic at all.

Idem

it is very funny to elect a guy who talks to the voices in his head on live tv as the leader of your country

The Argentinian people are not in their brightest moment. They have doomed us all, but when they realize of what they voted, it will be too late.

What?

Remember that the option was an inflation of 150%, 50% of poverty, 10% of homelesness, corruption, 60% of workers outside the sistem with NO wrights at all and a lot, a LOT more.

Why did you have to choose between 2 evils that were this bad? Wasn't there any more decent candidate?

In Argentina only peronism and antiperonism exist, it's a fight that will never end.

Once again, all Argentines I've met were pretty smart (or sounded smart at least) but I simply cannot understand how you ended up like this.

Argentina has:
- The Pope
- Two of the top 5 footballers ever (both contenders for top 1)
- Heads of UN organizations such as the IAEA
- They build their own nuclear reactors and even export them to other countries - this puts them in a club with the US, Russia, South Korea, China and France

An Argentinian friend once told me that Argentinians can do anything whatsoever - except fix their own country.

I saw an interview with the new guy where he was quoting Milton Friedman. That's a-ok in my book.

I saw the ACA scam coming from miles away thanks to Uncle Milty.

After 8 years of bad governments, people became tired and voted for a guy to destroy all the bureaucracy in power.

Milei is a Libertarian, he advocates for the Austrian school of economics, like Hayek and Mises, the Chicago school of economics like Milton Friedman, and anarcho-capitalist libertarianism like Murray Rothbard. He wants to privatize everything and decrease public expending. He hates anything that is remotely left-wing leaning, he thinks that everybody that disagrees with him is a communist. Is a very funny but crazy guy. He is like our Trump or Bolsonaro.