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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 3:20 pm 
 

Funeral Frog wrote:
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By far, Emperor. It has the right amount of legibility, fanciness, symmetry, etc.

Honestly, I think Emperor's logo really sucks. It uses slim typography but isn't compact, so the large amount of negative space makes it look very spindly and lacking in presence. Also, the random size boost to the central E makes it look like it says "EmpEroR" (logos should generally try to maintain the appearance of consistent capitalization, be that either with all-caps, all-lowercase, or the first letter of each word capitalized), and now that I look at it in more detail, the M is really poorly constructed too. It has one line too many, and the flair added to it to make it symmetrical with the O looks like somebody stacked an M and an O on top of each other. Poorly executed in basically every regard except for symmetry.

The whole symmetry worship throughout the metal community is getting out of hand. It's gotten to the point where bands will literally just start reversing the letters in their logo to maintain symmetry, which is about as lazy as one can get. See the second E in "Secrete" for Guttural Secrete's logo:
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Or the second P in Dripping's logo (admittedly, this one's design is so cool that even with the cheating in mind it's one of my all-time favorites):
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The metal community should not be embracing order and neatness. Who likes neat and orderly, well-thought-out metal? Nobody, that's who. The community should endorse logos that just explode in your face:
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Or otherwise esoteric designs that fit the band's specific sound:
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One of my pet peeves is logos that are so stylized as to be unreadable; many black metal and gore-grind (and other various related grind/death genres) tend to be the worst offenders here. [...] The original Wolves in the Throne Room logo, yeah its symmetrical, which is cool but...if I was unfamiliar with the band, I would have had no idea that's what it said..

Logos are meant to be recognized, not read. They serve as a symbol for a product so that it can be easily recognized in the event that you're already familiar with whatever it is. Hell, look at how many famous logos (not even metal logos, just everyday companies and whatnot) don't even directly mention the company by name:
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Zerberus
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 3:23 pm 
 

I'm a huge fan of the Slaughtbbath logo;
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It's intricate but symmetric, and has great detail. It also has the added benefit of looking awesome in more or less any color!
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 9:47 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Logos are meant to be recognized, not read. They serve as a symbol for a product so that it can be easily recognized in the event that you're already familiar with whatever it is. Hell, look at how many famous logos (not even metal logos, just everyday companies and whatnot) don't even directly mention the company by name:
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Not necessarily true. Depends on if the logo is meant to be an ideogram or emblem (or a mixture of those two), or a logotype. The former two are intended to be recognized on sight (which frequently fails if the company/brand/band/whatever is not all too well-known, a problem that legible logotypes do not usually have. On the other hand, they have the upsides of not having to deal with alphabet-compatibility issues when working on an international level, as well as generally being more effective than a logotype if recognizable enough and seen frequently enough to also be memorized).

Logotypes, on the other hand (and to a lesser degree logotype/ideogram or logotype/emblem mixtures) are either fully or mostly text-based. Most band-logos fall into this category. (Admittedly, not all, and there are also a few bands that have their main logo be a logotype or logotype-ideogram/emblem-mixture while retaining a smaller non-text based icon for use on merchandise and similar)

While the font, positioning and stylization of this text, as well as the additions to it, do serve to some degree to make it more recognizable on sight (especially in the mixture-cases), the text is the primary focus of the logo and should as such be somewhat readable, just like an intricate ideogram/emblem should have separate parts of it be recognizable as separate. One great irregular blob is difficult to mentally separate from three-thousand other great irregular blobs, after all, let alone well enough to be recognizable on sight.

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Sick6Six
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:04 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:



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that's pretty sick, what band is that? also really like that Askival one :thumbsup:

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:09 pm 
 

That one you just quoted belongs to Antediluvian from Canada. I highly doubt the band's name is even in there, but it's still pretty badass.

EDIT: y'know, I just looked at their band page and that "logo" isn't even on any of their release covers. How was it established that that's their logo?
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Crypt666
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 11:30 am 
 

Pfff so many logo's, with Black Metal logo's you can tell by the logo if you're gonna like the band or not (well the style anyway, good logo's can still suck).

Always really like the classic logo's from Immortal and Marduk:

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CrushedRevelation
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 8:47 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
The metal community should not be embracing order and neatness. Who likes neat and orderly, well-thought-out metal? Nobody, that's who. The community should endorse logos that just explode in your face:

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Ugh. These are all terrible, hideous eyesores in my opinion. Logos in that particular scattershot style are awful.

Some of my (new & old) favourites, to be put under scrutiny:

Prosanctus Inferi. This of course has no symmetry, but works in it's own gloriously messy way.
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Wrathprayer. Suits the style of music perfectly.
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Coffin Lust. Gloriously old school.
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Alchemyst. Another cool, spiky one.
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Aosoth. Love the detail in this one. Very regal.
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Cult Of Daath. Another old favourite
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Doombringer. Cool detail again.
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Evoken. Really like this one
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Faustcoven. This one could be slightly misleading, as the band's logo looks like a black metal band, but they're... not quite that
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Genocide Shrines. Pretty damn awesome, as are the band
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Irkallian Oracle. I like logos that form some sort of arcane, esoteric sigil as well
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Ondskapt. Always liked this one (and the style)
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Truppensturm. Absolutely no subtlety
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And loads and loads more...
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PvtNinjer
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:13 pm 
 

While I appreciate your input and opinion, MutantClannfear, I pretty much disagree with almost everything you said in regards to logos, except for maybe our love for Antediluvian's. :lol: Different strokes, as they say. While I do agree that sometimes the desire for symmetrical design is a bit much, I do find it to be visually appealing, even if sometimes it's a bit played out.

Maybe I'm just a poser, but I'm starting to drift to more basic, "moderne" (as I like to call it, somewhat sarcastically) sans serif fonts on a well constructed album cover. I find most of the best logos have already been done better by 80s and 90s bands. The abstract logos and the super woodsy logos are really the only exception I'd make these days.

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Crypt666
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 12:12 pm 
 

Remembered the thread, another one I really like:

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 9:59 pm 
 

Hey Crushed, would it kill you to let us know what bands those are for?
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:14 pm 
 

Umm sorry! Will edit in band names :thumbsup:
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Yayattasa
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:27 pm 
 

I think I looked every logo, so hopefully I won't be repeating anyone here:

Ne Obliviscaris
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The actual logo lacks those lightning effects, but I couldn't find it in a smaller resolution on google, sorry


0 X I S T
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Asphyx
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Caninus
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Exivious
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And, of course, Opeth
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For a bad example, while not that metal, Basarabian Hills
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I like it, it's simplistic and iconic.


Gaza
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Also simple,
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 11:42 pm 
 

Basarabian Hills, that's what I was looking for. Not the best by a long shot, just really fucking confusing.


Triste's is another confusing one:

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Wóddréa Mylenstede, also confusing (and ugly):

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For both a terrible band logo and a terrible name, there's always this:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/||| ... 3540310159

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:09 am 
 

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Triste's is another confusing one:
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Done on Photoshop.

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Wóddréa Mylenstede, also confusing (and ugly):
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Done on Paint.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 11:12 am 
 

It just looks like someone scribbled with the eraser setting on Paint against a black background. So ugly.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:32 pm 
 

I highly doubt Wóddréa Mylenstede's logo was done in Paint. I was the one who added the logo to their page and I might have boosted the contrast a bit to eliminate any grey in the background, which would explain the utter lack of shading. A better representation of it would be the cover of their first demo. Plus the Legion Blotan bands, especially WM, are so lo-fi that I can't see any of them being caught dead using an MS Paint logo. It would be too unfitting with their actual sound in mind. I mean, hell, have you *heard* them?

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:51 pm 
 

Crypt666 wrote:
Pfff so many logo's, with Black Metal logo's you can tell by the logo if you're gonna like the band or not (well the style anyway, good logo's can still suck).

Always really like the classic logo's from Immortal and Marduk:

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Wait, Marduk changed their logo? I still fucking love Immortal no matter what anyone says! except for All Shall Fall :/ of course PH and BITN are the best. Oh yeah Ondskapt is a cool one too that someone mentioned above.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 2:56 pm 
 

Well, if you go to Marduk's page you'll notice a newer, simpler logo they've used on their more recent releases.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:48 pm 
 

I've always been partial to Revocation's logo:
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Everything works out quite well with the sharp lines, makes a nice statement.

Also, for a bit more modernist look (and sound) Antigama.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 11:41 pm 
 

I like Opeth's logo, just because it's legible, but it still has that artistic touch that I like, especially with the dragonflies in the 'O'. Also, anything that has a little bit of flare and originality, but it's not an over embellishment.

Swallow the Sun has an interesting logo:
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When a band has an illegible logo, it's just white noise to me. Way too over-powering and unprofessional.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:03 am 
 

My favorite
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 2:26 am 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
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Jesus Christ on a stick... Fittingly the logo's URL ends with "daftlogo.jpg". :lol:

Earthcubed wrote:
For both a terrible band logo and a terrible name, there's always this:

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With a logo/name like that, the title of their only split release, "Alone, Forgotten, and with No Hope", is more than fitting - no wonder they seem(ed) so depressed. Also, in that same split release between three bands, one band's name refers to razor blades, and the two others' logos have hangman's nooses on them - that's so depressing it made me laugh out loud.

To save you the trouble, here are the logos of the other two bands from the split (Galgenveld and Howling Pain, respectively):
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 3:13 am 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
For both a terrible band logo and a terrible name, there's always this:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/||| ... 3540310159


That may just top ██████ for stupidest band name that isn't Goatpenis.

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Also, you'd expect a band with the below name to have a much more interesting logo than what they've got.

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Subrick wrote:
Earthcubed wrote:
For both a terrible band logo and a terrible name, there's always this:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/||| ... 3540310159


That may just top ██████ for stupidest band name that isn't Goatpenis.

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How the fuck am I supposed to look this band up?
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 5:10 pm 
 

What is that, the top of his mom's counter after a scrub with lemon Pledge?
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 6:37 pm 
 

The Archives list "Black Strip" as an alternate name for them for the sake of searching ease. That's what I call them as well when I'm not in the mood to copy/paste that block of white (which is every single time they come up in conversation).
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:21 pm 
 

On social media websites they sometimes refer to themselves as "nic" (Czech for "nothing"). In general, the proper way to refer to them is as "the band that doesn't have a name" or something of the like.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:20 pm 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
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that's fucking ridiculous :lol:
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