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captain_che
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:05 am 
 

Image

In the center there.

I've seen it (or variations thereof) on a few album covers and I'm betting it's not just a series of repeated inverted pentagrams and triangles and sundry other geometrical shapes. Or rather if it is it means a whole bunch of different things.

Can anyone shed a little light?

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iamntbatman
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:58 am 
 

Not sure, but maybe you can find it somewhere here. It's not on that stars page but is perhaps somewhere else there.
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PhilosophicalFrog
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:50 am 
 

here ya go buddy, it's the Order of the Nine Angels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles
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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:41 pm 
 

Well, that was a fascinating read. But I'm sure in reality it's just a couple neckbeards sitting around making that shit up.

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Grave_Wyrm
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:07 pm 
 

narsilianshard wrote:
Well, that was a fascinating read. But I'm sure in reality it's just a couple neckbeards sitting around making that shit up.

Ok, "Alchemist's Cave" ;)
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captain_che
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:49 pm 
 

PhilosophicalFrog wrote:
here ya go buddy, it's the Order of the Nine Angels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles


Hm...

That's not quite it (unless it's another variation), and I don't think it's associated with hardcore Satanism.

Thanks for the input though!

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Scorntyrant
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:05 pm 
 

narsilianshard wrote:
Well, that was a fascinating read. But I'm sure in reality it's just a couple neckbeards sitting around making that shit up.


there have been rumours floating around for decades (at least since the mid 90's when I first stumbled across their literature) that the ONA is a MI6 "honey trap" operation used to identify possible far-right terrorists.
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the_raytownian
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:21 am 
 

BM bands seem really into triangles these days for some reason. My guess is they just wanted to use a symbol with as many triangles in a circle as they could find.

Realistically, it very well may be associated with, a variation of (though clearly different), or an attempt at creating something similar to the symbol in Frogger's link, but I really do think it's more likely another case of so-called trianglecore BM bands being trianglecore BM bands and plastering their album art with esoteric/potentially made-up symbols they may only tangentially grasp the significance of themselves, or have possibly created or otherwise developed their own very esoteric and mysterious meanings for.

A lot of bands right now who want to be the next DsO seem to be really caught up in the idea of developing a lot of half-baked or simply borrowed esoteric, occult/mystic, neo-satanist imagery and cool robes to go along with their music, and a lot of these bands just seem to just be winging it. I'm not saying this band is necessarily guilty of that, or that the act of developing or re-contextualizing symbols is in itself remotely improper, but it does seem seem like something being forced by an awful lot of bands right now, so I'm frequently skeptical of most contemporary BM bands who're clearly being inspired by the current "orthodox" BM trend. It basically just seems like something bands are doing in an attempt to stay relevant.
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elf48687789
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:18 am 
 

The star is two symbols put together, one is a pentagram + another. The other I might have seen before (Rosicrucian? could be mistaken), or it could be half of a Crowley star.

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Dhranna
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:24 pm 
 

the_raytownian wrote:
...plastering their album art with esoteric/potentially made-up symbols they may only tangentially grasp the significance of themselves...


:lol: :lol: I think you've got it right there.
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DennisDemoniarch
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:37 pm 
 

It's black metal art.
Who invented these so called symbols of power in the first place? ...some artsy drugged out weirdo in a cave talking to his own self, scribbles up a series of triangles and stars... ages later people are doing the same thing and calling it profound occult art.

Well, yea it all looks cool and delivers a feeling maybe, but anyone can draw a bunch of circles over triangles and what not and declare it means anything they want, and that is how it works... things can mean whatever the hell you want them to mean. The trick... convince others to believe and then you have something all of a sudden ...from nothing.

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EatenbyWolves
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:28 pm 
 

Scorntyrant wrote:

there have been rumours floating around for decades (at least since the mid 90's when I first stumbled across their literature) that the ONA is a MI6 "honey trap" operation used to identify possible far-right terrorists.

who told you this?

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bug_man
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:16 am 
 

there are serious-about-it ONA dudes around and most fed type organisations don't give a shit about far right terrorism(if anything they're probably funding it) so that's probably not true

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Metallumz
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:20 am 
 

The ONA leader went from being a devout Satanist, to becoming a devout Muslim cleric pretty much overnight. Its a nice little book for people with little self-confidence, but just enough arrogance to be delved in to this kind of rubbish. But that's all it is and the end of the day.

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Scorntyrant
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:23 am 
 

EatenbyWolves wrote:
Scorntyrant wrote:

there have been rumours floating around for decades (at least since the mid 90's when I first stumbled across their literature) that the ONA is a MI6 "honey trap" operation used to identify possible far-right terrorists.

who told you this?


They are rumours/accusations of quite long standing. I dont have a particular opinion one way or the other, just pointing out the persistent rumours exist:

http://www.davidmyatt.ws/myatt-5gw.html

http://www.davidmyatt.ws/myatt-and-the-o9a.html

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com.a ... ation.html
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Iggnsthe
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:26 pm 
 

the_raytownian wrote:
BM bands seem really into triangles these days for some reason. My guess is they just wanted to use a symbol with as many triangles in a circle as they could find.

Realistically, it very well may be associated with, a variation of (though clearly different), or an attempt at creating something similar to the symbol in Frogger's link, but I really do think it's more likely another case of so-called trianglecore BM bands being trianglecore BM bands and plastering their album art with esoteric/potentially made-up symbols they may only tangentially grasp the significance of themselves, or have possibly created or otherwise developed their own very esoteric and mysterious meanings for.

A lot of bands right now who want to be the next DsO seem to be really caught up in the idea of developing a lot of half-baked or simply borrowed esoteric, occult/mystic, neo-satanist imagery and cool robes to go along with their music, and a lot of these bands just seem to just be winging it. I'm not saying this band is necessarily guilty of that, or that the act of developing or re-contextualizing symbols is in itself remotely improper, but it does seem seem like something being forced by an awful lot of bands right now, so I'm frequently skeptical of most contemporary BM bands who're clearly being inspired by the current "orthodox" BM trend. It basically just seems like something bands are doing in an attempt to stay relevant.


Okay but you can't really argue that triangles are the best shape. I mean what else are they going to use? Nonagons? I'm pretty sure those don't even tessellate.

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Opinionated_Metaller
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:16 pm 
 

the_raytownian wrote:
BM bands seem really into triangles these days for some reason. My guess is they just wanted to use a symbol with as many triangles in a circle as they could find.

Realistically, it very well may be associated with, a variation of (though clearly different), or an attempt at creating something similar to the symbol in Frogger's link, but I really do think it's more likely another case of so-called trianglecore BM bands being trianglecore BM bands and plastering their album art with esoteric/potentially made-up symbols they may only tangentially grasp the significance of themselves, or have possibly created or otherwise developed their own very esoteric and mysterious meanings for.

A lot of bands right now who want to be the next DsO seem to be really caught up in the idea of developing a lot of half-baked or simply borrowed esoteric, occult/mystic, neo-satanist imagery and cool robes to go along with their music, and a lot of these bands just seem to just be winging it. I'm not saying this band is necessarily guilty of that, or that the act of developing or re-contextualizing symbols is in itself remotely improper, but it does seem seem like something being forced by an awful lot of bands right now, so I'm frequently skeptical of most contemporary BM bands who're clearly being inspired by the current "orthodox" BM trend. It basically just seems like something bands are doing in an attempt to stay relevant.


"Trianglecore"... I'm using that term from now on.
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InnesI
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:31 am 
 

Metallumz wrote:
The ONA leader went from being a devout Satanist, to becoming a devout Muslim cleric pretty much overnight. Its a nice little book for people with little self-confidence, but just enough arrogance to be delved in to this kind of rubbish. But that's all it is and the end of the day.


I am quite convinced that he has only used different ways to support his basic beliefs. ONA-followers like to think that that is the bringing of the new age. If we look at the history of David Myatt we see however one clear string that runs through everything he has done. That is his anti-jewish stance. I think every incarnation he has taken politically and religiously (National socialist, Satanist, Muslim) has been more or less the shell that actually has functioned as a veichle to transport the only idea he seems to have stuck with - namely antisemitism.

It should be mentioned that he has left the label of Muslim in 2010. I have seen nothing from him from these past four years so I can't say if he has continued on the same antisemitic path since then.

Edit: I found this little piece dealing with the subject at hand: http://www.davidmyatt.ws/myatt-and-the-o9a.html

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the_raytownian
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:16 pm 
 

Opinionated_Metaller wrote:
"Trianglecore"... I'm using that term from now on.

Feel free. I didn't even come up with it. At any rate, the term seems to be used by different people to denote two different things: So-called orthodox and occult-oriented BM like this and trendy macbook electronica projects with ₪▲ᴍ€Ϩ▓₤!Ҟ€▓†Ȟ!Ϩ.
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the only idea he seems to have stuck with - namely antisemitism.

I don't mean to nitpick, but Islam is a Semitic religion, too. Christianity, Islam and Judaism all are. I'm not sure why Jews have such a monopoly on the term, but it's a bit of a misnomer to use it exclusively for hatred against them, particularly when it comes from the perspective of other Semitic religion's followers.

I don't really have anything more productive to add to this discussion.
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