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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:46 pm 
 

I never liked his character actually, that wannabe rapper never worked for me, and also he has less charisma than storefront mannequin. It doesn't help that he has 5 moves only, but you can get away with it in WWE.

But yeah, the majority of people's hatred is because of the booking around him.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:31 pm 
 

James Ellsworth beat AJ Styles last night. SmackDown Live is so good it should be a crime.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:36 pm 
 

And then Daniel Bryan announced on Talking Smack a rematch next week for the WWE Championship.

Smackdown is seriously on a fucking roll right now. The PPV sucked, but the weekly show is seriously in the running for Best Weekly Show at this point.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:43 pm 
 

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The weird part about Cena is that the hatred was rarely directed at him and almost entirely at the booking surrounding him. Which Rumble was it that he was the surprise return? '08? HUUUUUUUUUGE pop, I mean "Flair comes back to Nitro" size, that died down because the fans remembered what the shows were like with him on the card. It's the same issue that Reigns is facing now: he's a competent talent who has a lot of positives but holy shit the writing is awful surrounding him.

Yes, 2008. I was pissed because I thought he'd be gone until April-May due to his 2007 injury. Man, Cena's 3rd reign was really Superman Cena at tis finest. He had a pretty good reign match wise but I was sick of him carrying the belt. So him winning the 2008 Rumble pissed me off and I thought he was gonna regain the belt at WM23. At the time, me and many others thought Cena would cling onto the belt forever like Hulk Hogan in the 80s. Let's not forget that from WM 21 to late 2007, Cena only didn't hold the WWE Title for like... 3-4 months combined in total? Edge's first reign only lasted 3 weeks. And RVD's was cut short due to him liking pot too much.

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I never liked his character actually, that wannabe rapper never worked for me, and also he has less charisma than storefront mannequin. It doesn't help that he has 5 moves only, but you can get away with it in WWE.

But yeah, the majority of people's hatred is because of the booking around him.

Many people would love to see white trash rapper Cena back, but I wasn't exactly a big fan of it either. I mean, I admit I liked Cena winning the WWE belt from JBL, but I began disliking him after he feuded with Jericho, Christian and Angle.

Cena still had some edge to him until 2006 or so. Then he just began pandering to the crowds with his chain gang marine poser crap and his lamer and lamer jokes that felt so forced. The Rock might have had cringe worthy material at times but his delivery was way better.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:46 am 
 

Well, Goldberg is back in the WWE. I feel so old seeing him again.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:23 pm 
 

WWE relying on old wrestlers to sell more tickets. No surprises here.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:55 pm 
 

I wonder if Goldberg can handle himself in the ring at his age. He is what, pushing 50 now?

he was never a technical prodigy, but I hope him and Brock can at least pull a salvageable match. One that makes you forget their infamous WM XX one.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:58 am 
 

Goldberg's return was a shoot that turned into a work. See: Hulk Hogan's ridiculous "work yourself into a shoot jabronie marks" tweet.

He's said he's kept himself in wrestling shape, so I hope he can still go. I just hope it doesn't turn into Batista's return where he gets blown up on his entrance and is completely gassed two minutes into the match.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:30 pm 
 

Goldberg literally worked once in pro wrestling, and that was in 1998. His 1999 was shit, his 2000 was shit, his 2003-2004 WWE run was shit. Do you really think he'll be worth watching when the same mentality that gave us "Goldberg wearing Goldust's wig and working 30-minute matches" over a decade ago is still the status quo for Raw?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:41 pm 
 

I have no idea what you said or what you're trying to say with that incoherent mess you call a post.

Goldberg worked a few years in WCW with a fairly high rate of success and over-ness with the crowds, but most WCW'ers during their buyout period came to WWE with very little success or interest. Most people don't look at his match with Brock Lesnar with much positivity, and no doubt many are skeptical of their match set for Survivor Series.

Regardless, people were still excited to see him on Raw, and he cut a fantastic promo and looked great. I'm curious if they do a face-to-face confrontation before the event.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:34 pm 
 

Okay, I'll break it down for you.

1997: Goldberg debuts soft squashing jobbers on Nitro. He is, initially, a heel, and is put into a program with Steve "Mongo" McMichael, having been paid off by his ex-wife, Debra. Nobody takes much note.

1998: Early in the year, fans start taking notice that Goldberg is undefeated. He's turned face almost by accident due to his matches being exciting squashes, and is then elevated to the US title. To capitalize on his growing popularity and to win another battle of the Monday Night Wars, Goldberg is put over Hogan for the World title. He spends the rest of the year either left off the major cards (Fall Brawl, World War 3) or put into nothing matches (Bash at the Beach, Road Wild), with the exceptions of Halloween Havoc (vs. DDP in one of Goldberg's best matches) and Starrcade (vs. Kevin Nash, the end of the streak).

1999: The logical story of Goldberg avenging his loss, especially since it led to the infamous Fingerpoke of Doom and the reformation of the nWo, is arbitrarily dropped as all focus goes back to Hogan and DDP. Instead, he spends the entire year virtually aimless, never allowed near the ME again until late in the year (when a mistimed kick gave Bret Hart the concussion that ended his career). He's still over, true, but any other flirtation he has near the top sees him quickly shunted back down. Meanwhile, ratings are falling, live attendance is falling, and PPV buys are falling.

2000: Everything that could be said about WCW in 2000 has already been said, but it's worth noting that, at the very least, Russo's plans were to build Goldberg back toward the top of the card. His return after injuring himself via limousine window was botched as nobody wanted to see him as a heel aligned with Russo, the bulk of the "Rebuild the Streak" story was insufferable (and gave us Russo as World champion), and the year ends with Scott Steiner beating him (in an underrated match, mind you) into early retirement.

WWE 2003-2004: He debuts wearing Goldust's wig, is booked into comedy segments, and the "chase" to HHH's World title is littered with all the Horsemen tricks while ignoring the actual nature of why Goldberg got over. He's not funny, he's not a great interview (most of his promos were just him saying an upcoming opponent's name and saying "you're next"), and there was an underlying theme throughout 1998 that the longer his matches go the more vulnerable he becomes (not unlike the basis of the Joe/Punk ROH series) that was proven to be less a stroke of storytelling genius and more a "shit, he can't actually work for that long." Nearly every turn his path took was the wrong one, up to and including his brief World title run, and only aided in crowd malaise as HHH's reign of terror was in full swing and even Goldberg, himself, didn't want to stay with the company. They took the Predator and put clown makeup on him.

So yeah, people were excited he returned. I'll admit that I almost tuned in to see him come out because holy shit his 1998 run, especially the first half the build to Halloween Havoc, was great. But then I remembered that Raw's flavor of programming is the reason business dropped, that Goldberg has officially been out of the business for over a decade (and was never among the legitimate greats to begin with) and will undoubtedly have a metric shit ton of rust, and that I already experienced the magic the first time. It's short-sighted, it's going to have people lose interest sooner than it is later, and that he's already booked into a rematch of one of the worst matches in either man's entire pro wrestling career's doesn't carry my interest.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:21 am 
 

In more "lol TNA" news, undertitle "just let it fucking die already," per yesterday's WON...
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The key in documentation is that the loan from Anthem was slated to be turned into a controlling investment in the company, which is why Corgan filed for his restraining order and attempt at an injunction.

In documentation, it has become clear that even though TNA outright told Corgan they were not selling to WWE, and Carter told the wrestlers that they were not selling either the company or tape library to WWE, that they were in the middle of negotiations to sell the entire company to WWE at the time and well before the rumors came around of WWE's involvement.

Material also showed that WWE questioned Carter about Corgan’s loan to the company. Carter responded in writing to them, saying that , “I intend to pay the loan back in full, plus interest, prior to selling the company.” Carter also sent an e-mail to WWE saying that she won’t (or perhaps can’t) sell until Corgan is out.

Impact Ventures response to the Corgan lawsuit was sealed, but based on Corgan’s side response, which wasn’t sealed, that Impact and Carter claimed Corgan’s attempt to get an injunction was “nothing more than a back-handed grab for power.”

The Impact Ventures response also categorized Corgan as a “predatory lender” with “strong-arm loans.”

TNA said Carter e-mailed Corgan on 10/17 asking him to consent to Anthem paying him back the entire loan amount and that Corgan’s lawyers were in talks about making that deal, but three days late, Corgan asked for more money. They claimed Corgan’s game would be to constantly ask for a higher number to keep from an agreement taking place, and in doing so, with Carter being unable to sell, the company wouldn’t be able to pay bills and continue. They claim that Corgan not agreeing to settle, a provision of the Anthem loan, has strangled business.

Corgan obviously did not accept the offer to be bought off, and filed a new and slightly amended lawsuit on 10/25. He is looking for control of the company based on his agreement with Carter where he was to get the company if it was financially insolvent. He claims it is. Carter claims it isn’t, although TNA has cut back on spending to almost an embarrassing degree if you know the details of it. TNA is also the subject of multiple lawsuits based on defaulting on payments to various creditors.

Debt that we are aware of would be in excess of $4.7 million, which would be debt to Aroluxe, Anthem, and the three entities that have recently filed lawsuits against the company for failing to pay them as agreed to, BankDirect Capital Finance LLC, American Express and Audience of One Productions, LLC. That number doesn’t include Corgan and there are likely other debtors who have not filed suit, one of which ended up being named in court papers, so the actual number is significantly higher.

While the exact debt isn’t known, Scott Smith, Corgan’s attorney, said that TNA’s financial liabilities have increased 52 percent since June and the debt is even more than that.

At the 10/26 hearing regarding the injunction, Smith said that TNA hasn’t been paying its talent, and while it claims it is due to Corgan’s lawsuit, it’s really because of cash flow problems. He said TNA’s projections show one year of more cash flow problems, and that TNA was in ICU five times this year before people each time bailed them out.

He also said that the figure WWE offered to buy the company was less than its current liabilities, which would seem to indicate the WWE offer being $6 million or less.

At one point during the hearing, Sims mentioned that one of the notes owed to Corgan was for $1.8 million.

As part of his agreement to put more money in the third time in August, Corgan demanded that he replace Carter as the President of the company, and that he would be in charge of day-to-day operations. The other agreement was that if Carter defaulted on paying back Corgan, that he would get all of her interest in the company and the voting power that goes with it as collateral, meaning he would both own the company and have the power to run it. She agreed to those terms.

Corgan claimed the money owed by TNA exceeded the value of the company assets, meaning it was insolvent.

It also showed that talks with WWE started likely before June, since there was a 6/4 letter from WWE stating a proposal made by them to TNA to be a “non-binding indication of interest for discussion purposes.”

While all numbers have been redacted from the documentation, it was noted in filings that the WWE reduced numbers of what they were willing to pay in later offers.

Corgan claimed that both Carter and Broadhead denied to him any discussions were taking place with WWE regarding sale of some assets (the tape library in this situation) but Corgan claimed those discussions had taken place, are continuing to take place, and that Carter admitted it to the wrestlers in a meeting on 10/2.

Corgan said that in his role of President, based on the agreement Carter signed, that he would have full access to all company records and could investigate all the records, the assets and the liabilities and the right to review the business plan with the top officers of the company.

This coincides with what we had learned since the last television tapings, that while publicly, it was said that Corgan was the President and in control of both creative and day-to-day operations, that his decisions were not adhered to, creative ideas were changed, and he was not given access to the books nor allowed to make the changes that he believed he was given the power to do.

He confirmed in writing that he had not been provided with access to the information he would need to make an informed decision about converting his loan into stock in the company.

He also stated that had he not been appointed President, he would not have agreed to make the last loan because he believed Carter and the others in charge had “driven the company into the ground.”

Corgan’s side also discovered an e-mail from Carter to Anthem which showed that they never had any intention of giving him the power promised, and may be a smoking gun it the case, with the line written, “Mr. Corgan may have an agreement providing him with a title, but in the absence of a document delegating authority to him, it is a vacuous appointment.”

In fact, Corgan noted, he never even received a draft of an employment agreement for his new position of President.

It was also confirmed that Corgan had the right to convert the money he lent to TNA into 36 percent ownership of the company. So while it was portrayed that he had invested in and become a stakeholder, which wasn’t true, it wasn’t completely untrue either.

Corgan’s suit claimed that Jason Brown, the CEO of Aroluxe LLC, is now managing the day-to-day activities of Impact Venturers and that Corgan has been excluded from that process even though he is listed as the company President and has an agreement stating as such, and claimed that Brown has been both planning events for 2017 and also negotiating contracts with talent.

He claimed that was another breach of their agreement.

On 10/12, Corgan told Carter and the other defendants that as the holder of Carter’s voting rights, he was going to remove all the managers of Impact wrestling and hire new ones. Carter refused to acknowledge that Corgan had the right to do that even though the company operating agreement was that employees could be removed at any time by the person holding the controlling voting interest.

Travis Parham, the attorney representing Impact Ventures in opposing the injunction being issued, said the lawsuit was nothing but a scheme by Corgan to take over the company and force Carter out. He blamed the lawsuit for creating a creditor crisis and hurting TNA’s financial standing, however the creditor crisis and lawsuits filed predated Corgan’s lawsuit threat and filing.

He called TNA a valuable international brand and categorized Corgan as almost like a loan shark, saying his terms would make a loan shark blush.

Parham also argued that the transferring of control that Corgan was arguing for if the company was insolvent was illegal under Tennessee law even if Carter agreed to it.

He claimed that cash flow doesn’t prove TNA is insolvent because people are willing to pay money to buy the company. He also called the tax lien an accounting error and a non-issue.

Corgan claimed when he first put money in, on 6/10, he was given a senior secured promissory note. He was not aware when he did so that Carter had already given both Aroluxe and Anthem similar promissory notes regarding the debt they were owed. Corgan believed when he put money in that he would be first in line to collect when revenue was received, but found out he was third in line.

The office staff and talent, who didn’t get their paychecks on 10/15 and were told they would get them on 10/24, seems a mixed bag. The office staff, which is small, did get paid. As far as the talent, all we know is that as of 10/25, some if not all had not been paid. A lot of people under contract are openly either looking at what happens if TNA doesn’t run again, or worried because they don’t seem to have other options.

Corgan’s papers filed this week indicated that talent had not been paid for the October tapings.

“Impact Ventures also continues to not pay its talent, except now defendants are blaming me and the temporary restraining order in this case for lack of payment,” Corgan wrote.

He also claimed that management was unable to be paid as of 8/31, noting even Carter herself and Serg Salinas are now owed back pay.

There was also a document on 9/1, written by Broadhead which noted that checks to talent bounced and, “We owe talent money. We owe employees money, we (owe) many vendors money.” Documentation showed that they were unable to pay taxes on 9/8, which led to the current tax lien.


TLDR version? Dixie's a lying sack of shit who owes a lot of money to a lot of people and refuses to sell to one interested buyer (Billy Corgan) who's been working with the company for nearly a year and investing his own personal finances into it, all in the hope of a sale to WWE (which has been confirmed via the court case). Any time you wonder why WWE has a virtual monopoly on mainstream pro wrestling in the US? Blame Dixie Carter.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:27 pm 
 

I called it that WWE indeed made a bid to buy TNA.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:30 pm 
 

You did and I fucked that up originally. Apparently, an actual decision will be reached tomorrow. I honestly hope Billy Corgan gets it and does amazing things with it. Dixie Carter has been a leech on TNA forever, and the fact that TNA managed to hang on after all this time, is a testament to how much of a leech she is. Under her banner, the company and the product has died the slowest of deaths.

I don't much care for TNA's product across the board, but if Billy Corgan can inject new life into it and turn it around from Dixie Carter's "business as usual" B.S., it could become great.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:51 am 
 

So I heard that Hell in a Cell sucked a dick. Not surprised; the show was so poorly built up that I had less than no interest in watching it. Complete and utter apathy is what I feel to everything Raw is doing at the moment. Smackdown, its PPVs, and NXT are the only WWE products worth anything now.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:54 am 
 

Best thing coming out of TNA, especially with that court paper, will be a Jim Cornette interview.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:04 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
So I heard that Hell in a Cell sucked a dick. Not surprised; the show was so poorly built up that I had less than no interest in watching it. Complete and utter apathy is what I feel to everything Raw is doing at the moment. Smackdown, its PPVs, and NXT are the only WWE products worth anything now.


The world belt match should always main event a PPV, unless there is a legendary feud going on. It goes to show how the company doesn't care.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:43 pm 
 

What I'm hearing is that the Universal Title match was actually pretty great, while the women's main event match was pretty meh with a garbage finish. Having read the results, I have zero desire to ever see this show, no matter how hot Boston might have been for the show.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:18 am 
 

Yes, the finish to the women's title match was really blah, but the match itself was so close to being a match of the year contender, IMO. Great story being told, and despite a few mishaps, it was definitely a damn fine match and a huge piece of history. They did something that's never been done before.

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metroplex wrote:
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So I heard that Hell in a Cell sucked a dick. Not surprised; the show was so poorly built up that I had less than no interest in watching it. Complete and utter apathy is what I feel to everything Raw is doing at the moment. Smackdown, its PPVs, and NXT are the only WWE products worth anything now.


The world belt match should always main event a PPV, unless there is a legendary feud going on. It goes to show how the company doesn't care.

I both agree and disagree. The World title match should, theoretically, be the most important part of the show. It should be the program everybody wants to see, the match that the crowd paid for, and featuring the top performers. However, in practice, this hasn't been true outside of a handful of occasions. The Heavyweight title doesn't always headline legitimate combat sports (though that's because the Heavyweight title isn't defended every show), and there's no reason an Intercontinental title feud, if hot enough, can't close out a card.

Now, since the top title program is an afterthought since it doesn't involve one of Vince's hand-chosen talents (who are basically just Roman and Cena), and the Women's division is one of the only hot ticket things in the entire company? Letting the women headline the show was the right call. Having the match play out like a HHH Reign of Terror '03 defense was a bad call, but Charlotte/Sasha closing it out brought more attention than business as usual.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:36 pm 
 

Tim Wiese is officially The Machine! Wish I could watch his debut match.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:11 am 
 

I havent read too much into the whole TNA lawsuit, since it's really confusing, but Jim Cornette just explained it. I thought it was something like Billy Corgan and Dixie were 50/50, but it's NOTHING like that...
https://youtu.be/ntFLmN0r8aI

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:12 am 
 

Don't abide 100% by Corny on this one. He's just as guilty of propping up mundane details and blowing hot air as the politicians and suits he claims to despise. He's the type who's right in his criticisms 95% of the time but can't do much better on his own, much like his antithesis Vince Russo. He also has quite the axe to grind with Dixie from his time spent in TNA back in '05/'06.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:34 pm 
 

I wonder if WWE is anxiously hoping to see a Hall of Famer of theirs in the White House.

It would be funny if we saw this again:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:13 am 
 

So... Goldberg squashed Lesnar at Survivor Series. Smart move or dumb move? I don't watch the WWE cable programs, I just catch the PPVs... but it seems counterintuitive to build up Brock as an unstoppable monster and then have him dispatched so easily, especially by a guy who's only going to fight one or two matches. I understand that, on the pro side, it brings Brock down a notch and makes him seem more vulnerable in future matches instead of "well, he's going to win after beating the shit out of his opponent for 20 minutes OR he's going to get DQ'd." On the negative side, will it hurt Brock's indisputable power to draw crowds?



Perhaps just a step to start building up for next Wrestlemania?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:28 am 
 

I loved it. Honestly, that was the best way to go with it, especially now that the news broke that Goldberg signed to appear at the Rumble and they might do the rematch at Wrestlemania. As for the ramifications of destroying Brock, I'm kinda glad that they did what they did, because it 1. Gave us something different than every Brock match of the last 2 years, and 2. Knocked Brock down a peg after being made literally so strong he seemed legit impossible to beat. I think the shine really came off Brock after the 1-2 punch of the lame Wrestlemania match and concussing Randy Orton at Summerslam.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:55 am 
 

It was stupid. Horrible PPV, the highlight of the night was Ellsworth grabbing Strowman's feet.

Once again NXT Takeover wins the PPV weekend.

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So... Goldberg squashed Lesnar at Survivor Series. Smart move or dumb move? I don't watch the WWE cable programs, I just catch the PPVs... but it seems counterintuitive to build up Brock as an unstoppable monster and then have him dispatched so easily, especially by a guy who's only going to fight one or two matches. I understand that, on the pro side, it brings Brock down a notch and makes him seem more vulnerable in future matches instead of "well, he's going to win after beating the shit out of his opponent for 20 minutes OR he's going to get DQ'd." On the negative side, will it hurt Brock's indisputable power to draw crowds?


Yeah, wtf was that? I was left scratching my head. They could have made Goldberg look strong without pulling this "blink & you miss it" bullshit squash. I fail to see the wisdom in this. You make someone this unbeatable monster heel (successfully for once) who has decimated the likes of Cena & Orton rather convincingly & then he gets squashed this easily by a dude who hasn't been in the ring for over a decade. I get that they are trying to bring him down a notch but really like that? Guess we'll get a proper match at 'mania.

The 5 on 5 elimination tag was good, a couple of decent surprises & a few holy shit spots. It solidified the animosity b/w Ambrose & Styles. There was development on the Orton-Wyatt connection (although they have no idea how to book Wyatt correctly). Plus we got some humor from Ellsworth, Jericho & KO.

Zayn vs Miz was entertaining as well. There is no doubt that Zayn can put on a clinic, however, I think Miz's ring skills are underrated. He has improved a ton over the years despite the crippling negativity surrounding his earlier career & the fall from main event status he had 3-4 years back.

The rest was pretty disappointing. Not enjoying the CW division as much I'd initially hoped for.

Also, is Hunter planning an angle with UFC champ Conor McGregor, considering WM season is coming closer? I'm thinking about the kind of thing they did with Mayweather. I respect C.Mc as a fighter even though I feel like he needs to shut the fuck up & being such an edgelord. Having said that, his ott persona is a perfect fit for the WWE enviroment. Do you guys see this happening, thoughts?

Edit: I agree that NXT TakeOver >> SS. That tag championship match had me at the edge of my proverbial seat throughout. I was underwhemled by Nakamura vs Joe though.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:07 pm 
 

WCW Survivor Series 2016 seems like one hell of a show.

I tried to stream ICW's Fear & Loathing IX live but the feed kept glitching and dying out. Hopefully it works better once it's up as VOD because my friend in attendance said it was a hell of a show. Very weird seeing ICW in a big arena like the Hydro instead of the clubs that I'm used to watching them from.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:25 pm 
 

capeda wrote:
So... Goldberg squashed Lesnar at Survivor Series. Smart move or dumb move? I don't watch the WWE cable programs, I just catch the PPVs... but it seems counterintuitive to build up Brock as an unstoppable monster and then have him dispatched so easily, especially by a guy who's only going to fight one or two matches. I understand that, on the pro side, it brings Brock down a notch and makes him seem more vulnerable in future matches instead of "well, he's going to win after beating the shit out of his opponent for 20 minutes OR he's going to get DQ'd." On the negative side, will it hurt Brock's indisputable power to draw crowds?



Perhaps just a step to start building up for next Wrestlemania?


At first I hated it, but after watching it again, I'm ok with it. I don't think it made Lesnar look bad, as Goldberg caught a cocky Lesnar off guard. It really gained a lot more interest, as I don't many people cared much about Goldberg coming back.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:37 am 
 

TLC > SS

Ambrose vs AJ
Match of the night for sure although this Ellsworth angle is getting painful now. AJ is gonna' die if he keeps bumping (& carrying matches) like that.

Ziggler vs Miz
A close second imo. Nice drive & aggression throughout, both sold the leg pretty well too.

Kalisto vs Corbin
Surprisingly good given my minimal expectations. It's just that I don't think Baron is more than a mid-cader, I'd love to be proven otherwise but it seems unlikely.

Wyatt/Orton vs Slater/Rhyno
It was alright, I guess. Again not really feeling this angle. The way they have fucked over Wyatt's booking has taken away the 'mystique' he once had.

Women's matches
Didn't watch. Sorry, but I don't really care about the women's division. Some decent to great workers in there but nah...it isn't my thing.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:55 am 
 

That was a helluva show, TLC.

I'm glad to see Wyatt / Orton be SmackDown Live tag champs. I believe it's Wyatt's first strap won with the company. The little bit of storytelling they had in the middle of this match and end were incredible, what with Harper pushing Orton out of the way to eat a move and them passing the titles back and forth at the end. It clearly seems they'll be playing by the FreeBirds rule.

I actually thought Nikki Bella v. Carmella was a pretty damn good match. They really hammered the shit out of each other. I also didn't realize how much Nikki Bella was life until I saw her in braids. Holy shit, she needs to keep that look.

The Miz v. Dolph Ziggler was a great match, too, what with Miz rubbing his win in Daniel Bryan's face.

The Baron Corbin v. Kalisto match was way better than it had any right or expectation to be. I didn't realize how much I wanted to see this match until they absolutely beat the shit out of each other with chairs and Corbin going through that makeshift table made of chairs.

Becky Lynch v. Alexa Bliss? Goddamn, you bet your ass this was a knockdown, drag-out fight that was absolutely awesome. Lynch continues to be great in the ring while Bliss continues to prove she's an absolute revelation for SmackDown Live.

AJ Styles v. Dean Ambrose was absolutely incredible as well. Even though Styles' tights ripped being put through this absolute insane torquing throw Ambros epulled on him, but even shit like Styles 450'ing Ambrose on the table outside was a "holy shit!" moment. Has Styles failed to not have a MOTN since he's been WWE World Champion?

Great fucking PPV. So much fantastic wrestling, feuds reaching the "blood level" and great storytelling. Tuesday can't come fast enough.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:19 pm 
 

I've been trying to rekindle my love for wrestling lately. I try TNA and get reminded why that company's soon to be out of business, I try PWG and I see spotmonkeys just doing MOVEZMOVEZMOVEZ that I've seen others perform better, I try WWE and it makes me pine for the product 16 years ago, NJPW is the catalyst for all the tropes I dislike the most, LU is about as entertaining as the movies Robert Rodriguez has put out since Spy Kids...

Then I found this. It's not too special, just a quick sprint with an abrupt finish, but there's actually a story being told. Tommy End, legitimate kickboxer and all-around BAMF, kicking the tar out of pretty boy heel Josh Bodom, the sniveling little shit that can't fight head-on but knows how to end a match. The entire match is, quite literally, Tommy End kicking Josh Bodom in the face, torturing him for every time he tries to pull a fast one, and then Bodom catching End off-guard with a piledriver for the quick win after End gets a little too cocky with the beating.

This is what wrestling needs, IMO. It needs spontaneity, the idea that some matches will be over in 5-10 minutes and others in an hour, instead of everybody getting 20-30 minutes to do everything they can.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:10 pm 
 

acid_bukkake wrote:
Then I found this. It's not too special, just a quick sprint with an abrupt finish, but there's actually a story being told. Tommy End, legitimate kickboxer and all-around BAMF, kicking the tar out of pretty boy heel Josh Bodom, the sniveling little shit that can't fight head-on but knows how to end a match. The entire match is, quite literally, Tommy End kicking Josh Bodom in the face, torturing him for every time he tries to pull a fast one, and then Bodom catching End off-guard with a piledriver for the quick win after End gets a little too cocky with the beating.

This is what wrestling needs, IMO. It needs spontaneity, the idea that some matches will be over in 5-10 minutes and others in an hour, instead of everybody getting 20-30 minutes to do everything they can.

Didn't see that finish coming. Overall the promotion looks promising.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:29 am 
 

The promotion is okay, with the talent being great (seriously, the UK scene has been incredible the last few years) but too much of the show being your stock modern indy (complete with smarky commentary and poorly executed angles). You'll have a hard time finding a truly bad UK promotion nowadays, though, as RevPro/ICW/Progress/WCPW/etc. have been killing it over the last few years. I don't use my ICW/Progress VOD subscriptions as much as I want to (since they use Pivotshare, which isn't compatible with PS4, and my ChromeCast fucks up more than it works nowadays), but I don't think I'll end those services unless money gets extremely tight.

That match, though, is a perfect example of how much selling and well-timed moves matter to an in-ring story. It's great to have people fly around and do huge spots and take big bumps but the ones that linger with you the most tell a story and utilize every second of ring-time to do it.

There's a game I used to partake in on a few wrestling-centric boards that we might as well bring to this thread, and it's called...
Who does it better?

You take a move or sequence performed by 3 or more wrestlers and post clips of them doing it, then we pick who we think does it better and why. If it goes nowhere then we'll drop it, but it's something to generate discussion, introduce people to names they may not know (from past and present), and take a break from whatever "god Raw sucks" talk will inevitably sprout up.

So...who does the Pedigree better?
Spoiler: show


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:48 pm 
 

Anyone watch Wrestle Kingdom? That Okada/Omega match is one of the best matches I've ever seen. NJPW seems to outdo itself every year.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:15 pm 
 

And we're just about 2 weeks away from the next Royal Rumble. I haven't watched WWE in months. Who is favoured to win this year's edition?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:44 am 
 

Festivus wrote:
And we're just about 2 weeks away from the next Royal Rumble. I haven't watched WWE in months. Who is favoured to win this year's edition?


It's really hard to say. The 2015 one sucked. 2016 had some good moments, but the ending sucked. Id love for Undertaker to be #30 and win it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:02 am 
 

quickbeam wrote:
Anyone watch Wrestle Kingdom? That Okada/Omega match is one of the best matches I've ever seen. NJPW seems to outdo itself every year.


FFS Dave Meltzer just gave it the fabled 6 stars!

Think he mentioned before that there was an untelevised Flair/Steamboat match which was "more than 5 stars" or something; plus another Japanese match in the 90s - Kobashi I think? It was something special for sure.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:37 pm 
 

Too many people hang onto Meltz's ratings as the be-all end-all of wrestling criticism. He's a very knowledgeable person about the business, its past, and its potential future(s), but it's obvious he values workrate above anything else. There's no issue with that, you like what you like, but having watched Kenny Omega for years and seen Okada's "great" matches with the rest of the NJPW crew? I'm going to go out on a limb and say he is massively overrating it due to the excitement in the moment, just because both guys are very flawed overall performers.

And, on the flip side, I highly recommend checking out Shingo Takagi vs. YAMATO from Dragon Gate's Kobe World 2016 event. It's the only example of a match being half finisher near-fall heavy and still being legitimately great, all because of the work put in before they started dropping the bombs.
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