You definitely have a point about getting young hard rock / metal fans into them, but otherwise, I don't like the thought of young adults looking at me the same way I looked at my grandma when I was a kid when she'd put on one of her old records.

This is actually kinda sad. The only way we can stop Ozzy and Black Sabbath from being forgotten is if we change the national anthem to Black Sabbath's "Paranoid".

Just how it goes really, younger people will have other frames of reference for stuff and won't know the people we knew.

Now you're gonna have to start saying "you know that old British guy Post Malone did a couple songs with?"

Wait a minute. You still physically go to work? Good lord, you are old!

I want to make a silly comment here, but I don't want this to turn political.

Not sure I understand the joke here. I'm assuming this is in relation to the pandemic, but essential workers are made up of old and young people alike....

severzhavnost's post is pretty disrespectful to the millions of people still working *not from home* like our healthcare workers, minimum wage restaurant workers, teachers (like me who teach full time in school) and the likes. Might be a joke but know your fucking privileges to be honest.

Also I totally forgot about this.

Yeah if anything the people who are still going in physically to work could be much younger people without much in the way of protections from COVID and such.

As an essential worker myself, I would say there's no distinction by age of who's still physically going to work. Those (most likely young) minimum wage workers still have managers that need to be there to oversee everything is going smoothly, and sometimes managers can be older.

Grocery store employee here. I have a lot of coworkers who are high schoolers such as myself, and then another big jump in the 50-70 year old range. That might be unique to my store or regional chain, I just see that most employees (especially in cashiering/bagging, I'm not sure about other departments) are either college age or younger, or upper-middle aged to senior.

As for the Black Sabbath thing, every single person my age knows "Iron Man" whether or not they know who it's by or who the singer was. Interestingly, I've had several people tell me the song is, in fact, by AC/DC.

Yeah they can be any age; I just thought the other post about being old if you go to work in person was weird.

I know exactly why people think its AC/DC: Because AC/DC did an entire soundtrack for one of the Iron Man Marvel movies. I can't remember if the Sabbath song was ever used in any of the movies (or trailers).

Yes.
“It was this band, with Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, and Geezer Butler. I, personally, think they released their best, and most influential material, in the 70s, with Ozzy Osborne, as vocalist. Those albums are my favorite.”

Hi... yeah that was a weak joke on my part. It happens I’m gonna lol at those saying it’s “disrespectful” and “privileged” though - I am one of those lower-paid young(ish) folks who still go to work!

On the subject of being made to feel old - I was once asked 'do you not listen to anything modern ?!' after someone flicked through the music on my phone & found that nothing there was released after about 1998. This person was one of our new starters, and was born in 2000.

Methuen, just having music on your phone is “modern” in itself!

I don't know, apparently it's boomer-y now, I'm supposed to be paying for two or three streaming services (doesn't help that I have a 1st gen iphone SE, with 5 years of dents on the back - it looks ten years older than it is )

Pretty sure we have the same phone, and from your description, they’re about the same condition too

You don't like to discover new underground bands? Or you just don't like any enough to bother to put on your phone?



True!



Also true.

I must be the outlier here. There are a lot of people who work here, who are more educated about music. Someone, in the department next to mine, a few years ago, was wearing an Electric Wizard “legalize drugs and murder” shirt. Someone, in shipping, has a long sleeve Death shirt. Around here, it seems like even the rednecks and cholos think Black Sabbath and Motörhead are cool. Pretty much everyone here is full time, so, no minors.

I think that the most popular pop trends are, or course, the most popular, but don’t have that many fans. It’s just that everything else is “diluted,” by there being so much of it. Which is good. If some music sucks, I can seek out something else, and, what I’m looking for probably exists.

If I want to feel old, I’ll just look in the mirror, or read the news.

That's fucking awesome dude. Other than at metal concerts, I think the only doom related band shirt was I was outside in a shopping center right by a university and saw a dude with an EyehateGod shirt. I remember one day at college I saw a dude with a Burzum shirt. Other than metal concerts and my own bandmates, I think the most "underground" shirts I have seen aside from those two are Slayer and Iron Maiden.

But one of those Iron Maiden shirts blew me the fuck away.... a girl at work who is young and SUPER cute, who I had already befriended. In my experience [WARNING: misogyny and sexism incoming], most metal chicks are physically unappealing. And she actually likes the band, not just the shirt design.

I'll have to disagree with that. I'm not saying all female metalheads are like Kim Kardashian, but they're okay.

Also, if one of your co-workers listen to Iron Maiden, I'd say you're in a good place

I have a manager who's a drummer. He told me he learned to play with a double kick instead of a hi hat pedal. He's showed me videos from tech death shows he's been to.

A different manager has roommates in a local hardcore band, who introduced him to Skeletonwitch.

Another coworker talks constantly about Cannibal Corpse. Unfortunately, he's a genuinely despicable person in every other way.

As for sighting metal merch in public, I actually have a pretty good record. I saw an Asphyx shirt while on vacation in Canada. Municipal Waste and Testament shirts in Boston and NYC, respectively, summer. of 2019. There was a guy who I never really spoke to who lived in my old building who I always saw wearing Celtic Frost stuff.

Very jealous of you guys with music fans at work - my place is pretty much a wasteland apart from the one Killswitch fan. Every workplace I've been in has one of those.



Best phone I've had since I moved over from Blackberries - though the metal body leads to overconfidence vs. gravity sometimes



Ah no, just one of those weeks where I'd picked a stack of classics - I have a Ukrainian friend at work that is interested in everything, and she's very tolerant of my Serbian/Ukrainian/Russian doom metal weeks. Translates the lyrics for me sometimes, too. She's always appalled at the amount of Satan, the poor woman

I always found metal fans in Florida. Met a few through comedy and one of my co-workers at my last actual office job was into a bunch of old school stuff and horror movies, etc. I had it pretty good.

hoooooooly shit. could you be more of an asshole? statements like these are why women stay out of metal. grow the fuck up.

I was asked a similar question:
'do you not listen to anything alive ?!'

Being serious here, how was that comment in anyway bad? I doubt it was his profanity you disliked, so what else could it be? He pointed out that he was writing from "his experience" (so the only thing he could draw upon) and then gave his opinion on his attraction level to certain people who like a style of music. Is he not allowed to find certain people physically unappealing? Is he not allowed to like/dislike the looks of any person/people he wants to? He was not even punching down with his comment, all he did was state HIS OPINION that some women who like metal he finds unappealing to look at.There are actually lots of reasons why a music - that was made predominantly by males, centered around testosterone and being aggressive (something scientifically proven to be more applicable to males) and had a wholly male audience until the last two decades or so - would be not immediately geared towards the female persuasion. Of course anyone can like/dislike whatever they want and ones gender does not apply, but being upset over a comment like this reeks of virtue signaling. ... .If the comment had been Metal is for men, women try too hard to be 'metal' and is so fake, they should stop infringing upon this manly music then there would be a point, but he did not write a single thing that warranted any response besides "okay".

You know what pisses me off more than men posting misogyny?

Women enabling them. Fuck off.

Back at my Whole Foods job I would very occasionally see a customer in a Dark Funeral shirt, and I think I one day saw a guy in prepared foods sporting a Mystifier hat when he came in, but I don't remember.

That and at my previous job someone randomly recommended me Red Seas Fire but not only are they not on the site they're blacklisted (probably djent, I'm surprised I even still remember that name)

Other than that, pretty barren here in this part of NJ, sadly.

I live in upper middle part of NJ. I go to the store in metal and punk shirts all of the time. Have never seen anyone else wearing them, but one day I hope. The closest I saw was a woman, dressed like a Marilyn Manson type goth.

Anyone else having problems with Bandcamp credit card payments at the moment?

Wow. I was not expecting to read something like this. Too bad the douche age is over, and you got banned.



Didn’t Black Sabbath make music, back in the 70s, partially because they thought it might(among other benefits) make women want to come see them live, and even possibly want to have sex?

If you mean it seems to selectively tell you they're not permitted ? Yep, massively frustrating !

I see people dressed as metalheads from time to time; much rarely female goths. The last time I saw a male goth was in 2010 I think (if you don't count looking myself in the mirror), and the last time I saw an emo (''sk8er boi'') was in 2019. Endemic species. -.-

This is something we hear in many interviews.. such and such picked up a guitar in the first place because they wanted to get girls; but I don't remember anyone from Sabbath saying so, and by the way, they started making music in the 60s. I guess it's a whole: the thrill to play in front of people, to emulate the kind of adulation they assumed bands like The Beatles got, etc. Having more ease to meet and pick up women is just a part of it. Had it been their main purpose, Sabbath would have chosen a different music style and look. The late 60s and 70s associated rock stardom with groupie and sex antics, and this is what drove most of the 80s L.A. metal scene. As Lemmy said:

I always figured Sabbath started off playing music because they worked shitty jobs and used it as a way to relieve stress.

I didn’t mean that was the only reason. I was responding to the ridiculous claim that metal had a “wholly male audience.” Of course, being on stage, you get attention, so yeah, better chances. But I’m pretty sure that they just wanted to play heavy rock in a new style, express their emotions and concerns, and ultimately, get big enough that they could quit their jobs at the steel mill, and and not be poor anymore.

I was using them as an example, arguing against the post defending the ‘warning: sexism and misogyny incoming’ post, on the basis of metal being for men only. Even Manowar don’t actually want that.