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Arkhane
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:01 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Would make more sense to worry about the millions who die from first hand smoke, unless you're one of those "addicts have only themselves to blame"-fascists, in which case you might as well support Donald Trump or more appropriately David Duke or the like.

Guess I'm fascist then...

I didn't realize holding someone responsible for things they do indicates that I'm in favor of an extremely nationalist monarchy, but ok.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:54 pm 
 

Holding people responsible for mental conditions is just that, yeah. Addiction is an extreme coping mechanism for an underlying condition that requires treatment, usually rooted in trauma or depression. There's no real need for those to carry a death sentence since they're easily treated issues.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:18 pm 
 

While addiction should indeed be treated as a mental health issue and given its due weight, that doesn't necessarily mean that you should coddle people who hurt others as a result of their addictions.

To wit, being an alcoholic is sad and deserves empathy. Driving under the influence and killing someone doesn't. There are degrees to this issue, people, it's not black and white.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:23 pm 
 

Xlxlx wrote:
To wit, being an alcoholic is sad and deserves empathy. Driving under the influence and killing someone doesn't. There are degrees to this issue, people, it's not black and white.

Actually as an experienced alcoholic I can say that those actions do not come without a previous disposition. Even at extreme stages of drunkenness I never got violent or harming others out of recklessness because of the values that were embedded in me during my upbringing, those can never be erased, and those people who do get violent or harm others out of recklessness have that in them even without the alcohol, the alcohol just brings out that ugliness. That's why for example I don't support the German system of being more lenient towards violent crimes committed under the influence, because if you really don't want to be violent out of values embedded deep in your psyche, you will not be violent even if you drink five bottles of vodka, you only get violent if you have that in you already.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:47 pm 
 

Hmmm, good point there. I do not have anything else to add to that particular discussion, then.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:00 pm 
 

People who've been on the forum who know me know that when I drink I run my mouth like crazy because I'm the youngest of five kids and spent my childhood basically being told "be quiet you're just the little kid", so alcohol is just that acting out of unresolved issues that you'd like to do when you're sober as well but have your inhibitions telling you to behave normally. People who get violent or drive their cars when drunk do so because sober they wouldn't care to be violent or run over people either but they have their inhibitions telling them to behave normally.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:31 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Holding people responsible for mental conditions is just that, yeah. Addiction is an extreme coping mechanism for an underlying condition that requires treatment, usually rooted in trauma or depression. There's no real need for those to carry a death sentence since they're easily treated issues.

This is a much better way to educate people, rather than attacking their character. But I digress.

I don't believe that addiction is ALWAYS the symptom. I don't think it's just that black and white. In a lot of cases, the smoker isn't even mentally ill. But that point aside, I like the analogy of "getting drunk vs driving drunk". I care more about people stuck in a house with an inconsiderate smoker than I do the smoker.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:18 pm 
 

Yes because pointing the finger is always easier than anything productive.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:25 pm 
 

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:10 am 
 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49667688

Trump announces a ban on flavoured e-cigarettes after a total of six deaths. That's a staggering 0.0001% of the annual deaths from smoking. Thank your saviour for protecting your children from true danger.

As far as I´m concerned there is still not a single death from e-cigarettes. They blame the delivery method, but the problem is what you fill it with. Its like drinking black marketed hard liquor and then blame it on the glass when you go blind.
Its pretty much proven all the deaths are linked to black marketed, contaminated THC cartridges and counterfeit Juul pods.
Traditional e-liquids and food flavors did not cause this and it baffles me how people can draw that conclusion when this only happens in the US while there are people all around the world vaping for 10 years and longer with no issues at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:16 am 
 

USA hits a trillion deficit first time since 2009! #maga
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 am 
 

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USA hits a trillion deficit first time since 2009! #maga

As soon as Donnie doesn't have to worry about getting reelected it's sayonara to Medicare, welfare and pretty much all of what's left of the social state. Gotta love how everyone on the right besides Rand Paul conveniently forgets about the deficit until a Democrat becomes president lol.

This is why even Biden needs to be voted for in the general.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:07 am 
 

If Trump continues to be the fiscal success story that he is, saying goodbye to the social state won't even be a political decision, the treasury simply won't be able to afford it (or anything else) anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:16 am 
 

Enough with the Iran story already. Problem is that with all the shit Bin Salman has already pulled, even the most devoutly "anti-conspiracy theorist" people probably believes he's behind it himself because it's just such a Bin Salman thing to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:52 pm 
 

Honestly, it would be pretty difficult for the Saudis to shoot cruise missiles at themselves while making it look like Iran did it---too much satellite and radar coverage, and these days even commercial satellites (link)* can track missiles---but given the players involved and their (lack of) credibility I can't say I blame people who think the Saudis did this themselves.


*though to be fair it's harder to do with cruise missiles
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:14 pm 
 

Another cut in the federal interest rate, another thing happening during the Trump administration that by sheer coincidence just happens to benefit the real estate industry more than every other industry.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:29 pm 
 

Normally I love a good conspiracy theory, but the Fed cutting interest rates has nothing to do with Trump. Once his nominee Powell got confirmed as Chairman, he’s no longer beholden to whims of partisan politics. The Fed does what the Fed does.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:36 pm 
 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... using-plan

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White House hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday released a $2.5 trillion plan to guarantee housing for every American.

Sanders said the plan would “guarantee every American — regardless of income — a fundamental right to a safe, decent, accessible, and affordable home” and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners.

“There is virtually no place in America where a full-time minimum wage worker can afford a decent two bedroom apartment. At a time when half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck, this is unacceptable,” he said. “For too long the federal government has ignored the extraordinary housing crisis in our country. That will end when I am president.”

Sanders’s plan seeks to invest $1.48 trillion over 10 years in the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund to build and maintain 7.4 million “quality, affordable and accessible housing units” that he says will eliminate the gap in affordable housing for the lowest-income renters. It would also invest another $400 billion to build 2 million mixed-income social housing units.

He also intends to use the plan to end homelessness by prioritizing 25,000 National Affordable Housing Trust Fund units to house the homeless in his first year in office and provide $500 million to state and local governments to help connect the homeless to case management and social services.

The democratic socialist lambasted “corrupt real estate developers” for jacking up rent prices and President Trump for cutting federal housing programs. He says he would create an office within the Department of Housing and Urban Development to strengthen rent control and tenant protections and make data on evictions and rent increases available to the public.


This man is the one true hope that we as young Americans have for the future. When I read this article, I felt a wave of relief and hope wash over me in a way that I can’t accurately describe in words. It’s the feeling of knowing somebody has your back when almost nobody else in a position of real power does.

If the DNC decides to fuck him out of the nomination again this time as they did in 2016, which is a scary, unfortunate possibility, then they are just as responsible for the death of this country as the Republicans are. It’s not even a matter of “Who can beat Trump?”, because Trump will be out of office eventually and ultimately doesn’t matter in the long run. It’s a matter of electing a president that understands the problems, their root causes, and has real, tangible solutions to fix them. He’s the only one aside from Warren that really gets it and will fix things.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:44 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
It’s not even a matter of “Who can beat Trump?”, because Trump will be out of office eventually and ultimately doesn’t matter in the long run.


Please tell me you don't actually believe a Trump 2020 win won't matter in the long run.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:18 pm 
 

I'd vote for goddamn Joe Biden, but do you really think the next Republican nominee is going to be an improvement on Trump? People like Tom Cotton (who 10000% will go to war with Iran), Steve King and Josh Hawley share all of Trump's values but unlike Trump are actually competent (maybe not Steve King lol). Trump hasn't changed the Republican party, rather, 8 years of a black president and a failed technocratic neocon bid to eject him turned the Republican party into something that a celebrity demagogue was able to easily gain control of. Maybe a cis straight white guy with working class ties like Joe Biden would stem the tide, but if he holds the reins when the next recession comes We. Are. Fucked.

A Trump presidency that presides over an economic crash would be objectively better than those same things happening during a Democratic presidency held by anyone but Bernie.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:19 pm 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
Subrick wrote:
It’s not even a matter of “Who can beat Trump?”, because Trump will be out of office eventually and ultimately doesn’t matter in the long run.


Please tell me you don't actually believe a Trump 2020 win won't matter in the long run.


Oh it will. It terribly will. But Trump is a temporary thing. Even if he wins next year, he'll be out by 2020 (unless he straight up pulls an "I'm not leaving no matter what" move, but I'll believe that when I see it), and even a milquetoast establishment Dem will reverse his policies back to Obama-era policies over time, which, while not ideal, are a million times better than living under wannabe Republican fascism.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:26 pm 
 

I think complaining about centrist dems should not only be accepted but actively encouraged, but I also think that when the rubber hits the road in 2020, voting Democrat is the only option. Hickenlooper was the only one I'd have really had to think hard about voting for. Why?

Supreme Court pick (no chance RBG will make it through 2024, meaning Roberts will no longer be a swing vote)
Protections for trans people
Environmental protections
Prevention of the complete gutting of the social safety net (if Trump is reelected he WILL become a deficit warrior and cut literally everything, including wildly popular programs)
Fewer kids in cages and as EC said, less "pointless cruelty"
Abortion will probably not be made illegal

That's enough for me. Lesser evil is still a lesser evil.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:58 pm 
 

The Biden campaign already jumping into the whole "But I'm the only one that can beat Trump" thing during the primary is fucking laughable as hell. If there's any time to vet Democratic candidates and determine that the centrist hacks are useless wastes of space, it's DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON! That's why they even have debates in the first place, no matter how unhelpful they really are. Once the general starts, even if it's Biden or Harris, I will vote Democrat just to get Trump out. I won't be happy that I'm voting for them at all, but, as said, a centrist Dem hack is a less shitty choice than Republican fascism.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:57 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
Prevention of the complete gutting of the social safety net (if Trump is reelected he WILL become a deficit warrior and cut literally everything, including wildly popular programs)


When has Trump ever been a deficit warrior? He's proudly expanding the deficit and calling for negative interest rates, and only guys like Rand Paul would float cutting social security/medicare/medicaid to their boomer voter bases. Trump has no unilateral power to cut those programs anyways.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:03 pm 
 

Yeah Trump is an endless limitless debt guy, considering darkeningday is normally half-smart-ish maybe he just worded it wrong. What would make more sense is that Trump will use the endless limitless debt he creates as justification for cuts. Same way he uses his idiotic trade wars and instigating of war in the world's largest oil producing region as justification for trying to pressure congress and fed to allow more debt. So yeah, what darkeningday said, except Trump won't do it to say the USA should have a lower deficit, he'll just use the insane deficit he himself chooses for the USA to justify extreme cuts for anyone lower than those who can afford an apartment on the Upper East Side.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:15 pm 
 

For years Trump acted like a deficit hawk but once he was elected he correctly recognized cutting wildly popular programs like Medicare and Medicaid would diminish his reelection chances. He's already assuring top Republicans when he's reelected that he's going to "deal" with the deficit while avoiding military cuts, and has reportedly been telling aides to find ways to cut everything not military without the House. And if Republicans retake the House, which they might...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:19 pm 
 

Trump's business is building a thousand hotels and apartments which you can do best with maximum QE and debt to the max, Trump's election pitch was to semi-appeal to Republicans who don't want that, but being elected, it's obvious Trump wants to be more Trump the Trump than Trump the guy trying to appeal to general Republicans since he already has the power he wanted from the latter.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:36 pm 
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/whistleblower-complaint-about-president-trump-involves-ukraine-according-to-two-people-familiar-with-the-matter/2019/09/19/07e33f0a-daf6-11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html

Fun story. It should be quite interesting how it develops...
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droneriot wrote:
Trump's business is building a thousand hotels and apartments which you can do best with maximum QE and debt to the max, Trump's election pitch was to semi-appeal to Republicans who don't want that, but being elected, it's obvious Trump wants to be more Trump the Trump than Trump the guy trying to appeal to general Republicans since he already has the power he wanted from the latter.

Unpaywalled version of the Washington Post article:
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/budg ... if-he-wins
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:08 am 
 

In other news, when the USA accused Cuba of attacking diplomats with a "sonic weapons" they were probably just trying to get rid of Zika-carrying mosquitoes...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49770369

Also, Colt becomes the first weapons manufacturer to quit making automatic rifles for the civilian market, going squarely against the NRA and GOP who claim to speak for them. No link, the news story is in German, I'm sure it's reported on American news sites but I only read BBC for English language news and it's not there.

-edit- oops actually it is. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49766257
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:49 pm 
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... s-n1057216

Nice knowing y’all.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:02 pm 
 

Iran targeted our gas prices. This is the only correct response.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:06 pm 
 

Looks like PR to me, just a token increase sent to places where there were already US military present. We should not immediately discredit the Houthi's claim to have masterminded the attack, however. Don't forget that everyone called them getting steamrolled in the first round and here we are all these years later.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:17 am 
 

Yeah, I agree. We already signed up to spend 350 Billion over a decade period to arm the Saudis, putting a few troops there is just an extension of that alliance. If we invade Iran or Iran attacks us, then yeah- nice knowing all ya. I'll live in a cabin like a fucking hermit for the rest of my life while civilization crumbles. We need to end the trilogy afterall, don't we?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:07 am 
 

Don't know what you people are worried about, the USA going to war with Iran would just be a small regional conflict, like Austria-Hungary going to war with Serbia or Germany going to war with Poland.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:43 pm 
 

https://twitter.com/axios/status/117485 ... 75296?s=21

So Rudy Giuliani went on CNN the other day, was asked about him asking Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden’s son on orders of Trump, said no, and then immediately said that he did in fact ask Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden’s son. Then he went on Fox News a day later and claimed that it was fake news that he said what he said.

It’s astounding how openly dumb this era of fascism is. There’s no attempt or pretense of intellectualism at all, and they all know that they’re gonna get away with what they’re doing, so they say and do just the most idiotic shit that would’ve ended them in literally any other period of American history.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:00 pm 
 

Nothing astounding about it, the Trump campaign is actually very clearly laid out in Mein Kampf, and in its simplest form boils down to three basic steps:

1. In a democracy, winning a majority means winning the election.
2. The are always more stupid people than smart people.
3. Appealing exclusively to stupid people wins the election automatically.

Hasn't been done that clearly since 1932 and it still works like a charm.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:38 pm 
 

I know you're not being entirely serious, but there seems to a subtle fallacy in that argument. (Not to mention, Trump failed to win the popular vote.) It's an easy fix, but as it stands, it looks like this:

Suppose an urn filled 80% with red balls and 20% with black balls, and suppose two competitors, each trying to blindly draw from this urn more red balls than the other. If all we know about the two competitors is that one managed to draw only red balls, then we must conclude that this competitor was the winner. (Without the right qualifiers, this just looks like a minor brain fart...no big deal.)

On a less pedantic note...

"Is Trump support a product chiefly of stupidity, or chiefly of horrible ethics?" is a troubling question, on which I've managed to make basically zero headway. It's a very cloudy issue for me, partly because I know and respect a few people who unfortunately happen to be Trump supporters; I even have "one or two" (i.e., one overt supporter, one closet sympathizer) in my immediate family, with whom I have a close and loving relationship. Which sucks.

Interestingly, according to Hannah Arendt - whose classic book on totalitarianism suddenly sold out when Trump became President! - it would seem to be more an issue of ethics than intelligence. I'm hardly a chapter in, but here's the passage that struck me (a footnote from "Preface to Part Three: Totalitarianism"):

"No doubt, the fact that totalitarian government, its open criminality notwithstanding, rests on mass support is very disquieting. It is therefore hardly surprising that scholars as well as statesmen often refuse to recognize it, the former by believing in the magic of propaganda and brainwashing, the latter by simply denying it....A recent publication of secret reports on German public opinion during the war (from 1939 to 1944)...is very revealing in this respect. It shows, first, that the population was remarkably well informed about all so-called secrets - massacres of Jews in Poland, preparation of the attack on Russia, etc. - and, second, the 'extent to which the victims of propaganda had remained able to form independent opinions...' However, the point of the matter is that this did not in the least weaken the general support of the Hitler regime. It is quite obvious that the mass support for totalitarianism comes neither from ignorance nor from brain-washing."

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Well for one thing if he's tweeting stuff like "where's the global warming" every time there's a cold breeze in New York City it's pretty clear who's the target audience.

For more clear evidence of what I wrote there's nothing better than the first televised debate with Hillary Clinton where he did everything possible to bait her into condescending "ivory tower" remarks (you know the "basket of deplorables"-types of remarks) and of course she walked right into it repeatedly, it was pretty clear there he was trying to appeal to the general knuckledraggers who feel marginalised by some intellectual ivy league elite.
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Hitler was not voted into power by the people, he was appointed chancellor in 1933, as a way to form a majority cabinet; in fact, the NSDAP lost a good chunk of voters in the two years following their watershed win in 1930.

If you remove gerrymandering, the electoral college and most importantly, make it infinitely easier to vote, the Republicans would never hold control of anything ever again.
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