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Bingewolf
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:14 pm 
 

Ezadara wrote:
Bingewolf wrote:

That being said, if it's true that Biden is negotiating with Hillary to be his VP pick, Trump won't even need to rig it to win...

Outside of an opinion piece on The Hill I haven't seen or heard any talk of that whatsoever.


Take it for what it's worth obviously, but CNN was also talking about it last night... I also find it a bit conspicuous that she has started showing up in media again. She's obviously angling for something after pretty much disappearing when she lost in 2016. She is very calculated and is now resurfacing as we get into the heat of the 2020 election - bad mouthing Bernie no less. Podesta gets added to the DNC committee. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. That's all I'm saying.

Frankly, if Stacey Abrams is the VP, I'm all for it! But I tend to think that all of these things are related. In Washington, everything is rehearsed and tested so much before they roll it out that we can make assumptions like this.

I would love to see Bernie pick Turner as the VP but I understand that he probably has to balance the ticket somehow... I would also be in favor of a Bernie/Abrams ticket.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:22 pm 
 

Stacey has been making inroads with Bloomberg lately though, even taking a $5 million donation for her organization. Very concerned with the direction she's taken.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:31 pm 
 

Considering Bloomberg is willing to pour 1 billion into this election to oust Trump no matter who the nominee is, I'll take what I can get.

Turner wouldn't make a good VP pick, she's someone who is already preaching to the choir. I'd bet Sanders goes young with a VP pick if he's the nominee. Actually if you want heads to spin pick Ilan Omar, let the Republicans shout racist and islamaphobic shit and bring the true face of the Republican Party out. That's just my take.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:35 pm 
 

If Trump gets another $5 billion+ in free media air time (and he will, bare minimum), Bloomberg's billion won't make much of a difference.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:39 pm 
 

Nah, the media are already semi-ignoring his rallies (except Fox and other right wing outlets) which are pretty much a greatest hits of "fake news, lock her up, me me me" these days. We've heard that same record before.

Bloomberg has 50 billion, he'll just pour more cash in. Trump is (apparently) worth around 10 billion.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:45 pm 
 

The news cycle is all Trump, all the time. They don't have to cover his rallies to give him airtime.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:18 pm 
 

insanewayne253 wrote:
Considering Bloomberg is willing to pour 1 billion into this election to oust Trump no matter who the nominee is, I'll take what I can get.

Turner wouldn't make a good VP pick, she's someone who is already preaching to the choir. I'd bet Sanders goes young with a VP pick if he's the nominee. Actually if you want heads to spin pick Ilan Omar, let the Republicans shout racist and islamaphobic shit and bring the true face of the Republican Party out. That's just my take.

Dream scenario but also literally impossible: she wasn't born in the US.

Rashida Talaib was, though. Plus, this: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 ... ay-vpx.cnn

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:37 pm 
 

So was AOC. There's already speculation that she could run in 2024, as she will be 35 by then.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:38 pm 
 

Bingewolf wrote:
Take it for what it's worth obviously, but CNN was also talking about it last night... I also find it a bit conspicuous that she has started showing up in media again. She's obviously angling for something after pretty much disappearing when she lost in 2016. She is very calculated and is now resurfacing as we get into the heat of the 2020 election - bad mouthing Bernie no less. Podesta gets added to the DNC committee. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. That's all I'm saying.

I mean, I guess I can't say it ain't so for sure. Clinton definitely does want to retain a role in American politics, there's no question of that, and she's not about to just bow out of the public eye completely. But I'm skeptical of the idea that she genuinely believes she's going to wind up on the ticket in 2020. I'm more than skeptical of the idea that anybody on the Biden campaign would even float the idea without getting laughed out of the room. They're not going to want two familiar faces who are perceived as 'establishment' and 'moderate' running on the same ticket. They'll want somebody younger, somebody who may not be a progressive darling like Sanders or Ocasio-Cortez but at least has more credibility with that crowd than Biden himself, somebody who's fairly new to the national stage.

I have a feeling Kamala Harris would be their first call.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:16 am 
 

The DM Register poll was yanked at the last second thanks to Mayo Pete throwing a hissy fit because a pollster mispronounced his name lol. This could be fake but I Want To Believe:
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:42 am 
 

Per Politico what, um, supposedly happened is dumber than that:

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According to two sources familiar with the poll, one interviewer at the call center used for the survey enlarged the font size on their monitor, potentially cutting off some names on the randomized list of candidates — including Buttigieg's in the interview in question....

"We are unable to know how many times this might have happened, because we don’t know how long that monitor was in that setting," said a source who agreed to discuss the decision anonymously. "Because we do not know for certain — and may not ever be able to know for certain — we don’t have confidence to release the poll."


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:19 pm 
 

I love Tlaib booing Hillary... It's so lame that she had to apologize for it because of the establishment dems throwing their little hissy fit. It's not like Hillary has been divisive and smack talking Bernie the past couple weeks... oh, wait!

I would be all for AOC or Tlaib in the VP slot. They are both so genuinely passionate about the cause and really likable in town hall settings. I remember seeing a story a few weeks ago about how AOC has really become one of the stars in Iowa. Sanders has also said that she's going to be part of his administration.

Really interested to see how tomorrow plays out. Bernie is now polling 5 points away from Biden in SC so a big showing in Iowa could really ignite his campaign (which I am obviously hoping for). However, I'm also just interested to see where everyone shakes out. At the moment, it feels like it could go a lot of different ways and will be a make or break moment for most of the campaigns who are still remaining. I have a feeling that Klobuchar may surprise some people, given the poll above it seems like she's doing pretty well - and hopefully the field finally narrows too...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:25 pm 
 

This meme but replace Jeb Bush with Tom Steyer:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:46 pm 
 

Isn't it crazy that Tom Steyer has spent $200-million dollars of his own money to be still largely unknown with no shot at the nomination whatsoever?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:36 pm 
 

Bloomberg is a helluva lot more savvy, that's for sure. He spent the same amount (slightly less actually!) and I've actually seen his ads. Steyer... not so much.

That said, gun to my head I'd say Steyer would be slightly less awful than Bloomberg. Remember that both of these guys are doing this much more as a vanity campaign than actually trying to become president. Though it's clear both want to stop Sanders far more than Trump.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:06 pm 
 

I agree that Steyer would be less awful than Bloomberg. He seems like a fairly likable guy, honestly. And you may be right about Bloomberg, but I don't think Steyer is trying to stop Bernie. If anything, he seems to LOVE Bernie - in fact, it turned into a meme when Bernie/Warren had their little exchange at the last debate and Steyer was trying to say hi to Bernie to no avail.

I also respect his fight for the climate crisis.

That said, it's absolutely bonkers that he's spent $200-million. Just as you said, I haven't seen one of his ads - and he's never been out of the single digits in polling. Even if he's a billionaire, it seems pretty unwise to spend that much of your money for absolutely nothing. Marianne Williamson was getting more traction... And that's saying something! :lol:

My guess is that he'll finally hang it up after Iowa. Unless Klobuchar magically performs in Iowa and gets some delegates, I think she'll probably hang it up too. I think the top 4 of Sanders, Biden, Pete and Warren along with Yang and Bloomberg will continue on and everyone else will finally pull the plug barring a surprise performance tomorrow.

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Bloomberg would make marijuana possession and homelessness death penalty offences, so I guess sure, Steyer probably wouldn't be as bad. Bloomberg said in 2016 and has said now that he's only doing this to thwart a possible Bernie nomination, so my fellow St. Bernard soldiers gotta stay sharp even if the polls look good because this guy has literally unlimited cash to blow on this. Steyer is probably doing sort of the same thing, but he also comes off as a bored rich guy who just enjoys the spotlight and politics and a vanity campaign is more fun than whatever other things rich people do for him.

Man, if I had as much money as these guys I would do so much cooler stuff. With tens of billions of dollars wouldn't you like to just buy every news company and put them all on investigating every person connected to Epstein 24/7? Any one of these rich guys could engineer the biggest moral reckoning of our time and yet they consciously choose not too. Or idk, why not make a theme park with 100 different roller coasters? These guys have no sense of fun! :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:06 am 
 

So the Iowa Caucuses were today (technically yesterday since it’s past midnight here), and it’s a magnificent shitshow of epic proportions. The Iowa Democratic Partydecided to use an app to tally votes from caucus locations in real time, only the app IMMEDIATELY broke the moment people tried using it, and now individual candidates are declaring themselves the winner based on numbers that they are pulling out of thin air. The only candidate that has seemingly accurate info is, ironically enough, Bernie Sanders, as his campaign had its own app that did the same thing as the official Iowa app but actually worked. The results from Bernie’s camp are as follows:

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The fact that these are the apparent numbers from the caucuses, and the fact that the Iowa Democratic Party is now saying that the real results won’t come out until Tuesday, is doing nothing to fan the flames of conspiracy that the Democrats are trying to rig the caucuses against Bernie, especially considering how wretched Biden’s numbers are here. Still, Hanlon’s razor is in full effect here, and only can we be sure of true fuckery having taken place it, say, Mayor Buttchug is declared the official winner or something to that degree.
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Biden's camp asked to see the ballots before they're released to the public, so regardless the outcome I think every candidate besides the "winner" is going to be dissatisfied with the results. Having done a caucus in 2016 and literally being one of the people counting votes, I can attest to how much of an absolute clusterfuck they are, and with the technical issues regarding the app that was suppose to confirm election results, I can only imagine how much worse it was. For me, I literally was counting votes by hand while people were screaming at me because "my god this fucking Bernie bro must be up to no good!". Thank god my state (CO) went to an actual ballot election.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:35 am 
 

If the Dems REALLY wanted to screw Sanders, they could've just told him outright "no you're not running in our party. Go home you're drunk." But they're giving him a fair shot even though some BernieBros/Bernie or Busters are going to scream there's some conspiracy against him or that they're being silenced...again.

Iowa should teach other primary states something: don't go to an unproven system, either stick to a traditional caucus or just run a damn primary like many states do so we can have the results and the candidates can do their victory speeches and move on.

If it's true that Sanders won, he's going to cruise easily in New Hampshire and Nevada and is going to be nearly unstoppable into Super Tuesday; South Carolina being one minor roadblock.

.....I really hope we're picking the right horse this time.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:41 am 
 

I'm not sure Sanders can be declared the out-and-out winner, but I do think we can declare Biden the loser for the Iowa primary. He almost lost to fucking KLOBUCHAR FFS.

Do not discount Bloomberg yet. His organizational skills and sheer weight of insane excess capital could really make a difference.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:52 am 
 

...which will play right into the Sanders/Warren narrative that billionaires are trying to buy the election and piss off the younger voters making them coalesce around one of the progressives.

...again I REALLY hope we’re picking the right person.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:28 am 
 

insanewayne253 wrote:
If the Dems REALLY wanted to screw Sanders, they could've just told him outright "no you're not running in our party. Go home you're drunk." But they're giving him a fair shot even though some BernieBros/Bernie or Busters are going to scream there's some conspiracy against him or that they're being silenced...again.


I don't think that's the case. Screw Sanders over completely and he becomes a martyr. If that would happen and 5-10% of the Dem base then voted for a non-Dem or sat out the election in protest or disinterest, then the chances of a Democrat victory would be pretty much killed. The Dems don't mind taking the wood to people (ask Joe Sestak), but they're gonna do all they can to avoid a self-inflicted fatal wound. And for the record, I've never voted for Bernie, never campaigned for Bernie, never gave money to Bernie, and never defended Bernie before... so I doubt I can be considered a Bernie Bro.

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The Iowa clown show does not bode well for the Democratic Party.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:29 am 
 

To be fair, it didn’t bode well for the Republicans either
Mitt Romney won....no wait Rick Santorum won...no wait Ron Paul won....

I think what we’re seeing is the end of Iowa being the first in line. It doesn’t have good representation and isn’t as much like a real swing state where a first primary should take place and bring the strongest candidate forward.

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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
The Iowa clown show does not bode well for the Democratic Party.

And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:43 am 
 

insanewayne253 wrote:
To be fair, it didn’t bode well for the Republicans either
Mitt Romney won....no wait Rick Santorum won...no wait Ron Paul won....

I think what we’re seeing is the end of Iowa being the first in line. It doesn’t have good representation and isn’t as much like a real swing state where a first primary should take place and bring the strongest candidate forward.


Note that none of those people have ever been (nor will ever be) President of the United States. Institutional disarray is...not a good thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:47 am 
 

Musick wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
The Iowa clown show does not bode well for the Democratic Party.

And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system.


Is that better or worse than having our entire healthcare system run by a man who thinks windmills cause cancer?
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Musick wrote:
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The Iowa clown show does not bode well for the Democratic Party.

And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system.

Do you actually think this or are you just fearmongering to trigger the libs?
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First, it is not a conspiracy theory that the establishment dems don't want Bernie to win.
1. You have dems going on CNN and MSNBC talking about the need to stop Sanders from getting the nom.
2. We know they already did it once to him in 2016.

That said, I'm not the one who buys into this Iowa mess being on-purpose. I saw people citing Pete paying the company that made the reporting app that failed. This is pretty disingenuous. A huge chunk of dems have used that company for a lot of different activity. That company is the same one that buys voter logs and sends you texts from various campaigns. Biden uses them, Gillibrand used them, Tulsi uses them, etc. This is just a massive fuck-up.

However, I do find the party's actions to be pretty disingenuous and solely built on protecting their narrative (and to some extent, Joe Biden). Based on all the info that we have, it looks like Bernie won big, Pete was in second and far more competitive than anyone expected. Warren was 3rd, but distant 3rd and Biden flopped hard.

Bernie and Pete have spilled the beans in terms of how the caucus went (for the most part). Warren said this is "a three person race" now. Klobuchar said "we punched above our weight." Biden's camp questioned the legitimacy of the vote... Very telling.

Now, I find it completely gross for Pete to go out and give a victory speech with 0% precincts reporting... But we all know, Pete's gonna Pete. I just think this becomes more suspicious the longer it drags out. Not that there is something nefarious happening - but that maybe, just maybe, the party is going to put this out at a more convenient time now to push Biden's performance to the back burner in the news cycle. Because, either way you look at it, Biden flopped. The two progressive candidates did well - especially Bernie - and then Pete managed to do much better than expectations.

Biden's campaign is having a hard time raising money and it's expected that Bernie will trounce him in New Hampshire so I do think there is some political angling happening here.

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These idiotic efforts from the DNC to try to force us to like Biden over Bernie feels like it's going to backfire (in a good way), similar to how the Republicans trying to stop Trump ultimately helped create their biggest monster. The difference, of course, being that Bernie Sanders is actually a good candidate.
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Having semi-followed the Iowa shitshow last night, all I can say is:

:lol:

:ah-ha: America

That's all. Sorry. But yeah. Whew.

Musick wrote:
And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system.

No they aren't
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The more conspiratorial part of me wants to think the Trump campaign may have done a little bit (or a lot of) ratfucking; hacking the app just to fuck with the Iowa vote count. There were a TON of Trump surrogates in Iowa yesterday.

From initial return now FINALLY coming in, it looks like Sanders and Buttigieg are vying for first place. Sanders killing it in urban/college campus areas, Buttigieg is doing well in suburban/more rural areas. Both campaigns can claim victory finally.

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Morrigan wrote:
Having semi-followed the Iowa shitshow last night, all I can say is:

:lol:

:ah-ha: America

That's all. Sorry. But yeah. Whew.

Musick wrote:
And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system.

No they aren't


Oh todays show is even better so far.

Biden getting a beat down. Seems that anybody is better than him to the folks in Iowa!

And think if ole Butthead wins the nomination. The one liners Trump can throw out that have the word Butt in them will be endless. :)

Yeah this is going to be entertaining as hell to watch if things stay as are they are now. Still way early but wow could things be going any worse for the Dems? Even nutty AOC is spouting off at the DNC again.

The DNC is screwed at this point, they need a Festivus Miracle to save them. Trumps going to go all Pacman and just gobble up these poor souls as they all run around the maze of confusion they are all in right now.

And a acquittal tomorrow after that failed attempt to top it off.

Rough week to be a Democrat.

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...that’s right. Keep insulting former military and do that travesty you did during the Super Bowl national anthem trying to conduct; Instagram videos of Trump making a fool of himself; how to alienate the military and veterans vote in less than 15 seconds.

Plus all Buttigieg would need to say is “wow. Why is the president So obsessed with my butt?” And call into question his masculinity. Bring it!

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Hilarious incompetence aside (decide to make election day your beta test = win stupid prizes), I'm not laughing at the turnout numbers. Hopefully this reflects a "don't care who the nominee is, I'll vote for any of them in November" mentality rather than a "I hate them all" or "nothing matters anymore" one.
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insanewayne253 wrote:
...that’s right. Keep insulting former military and do that travesty you did during the Super Bowl national anthem trying to conduct; Instagram videos of Trump making a fool of himself; how to alienate the military and veterans vote in less than 15 seconds.

Plus all Buttigieg would need to say is “wow. Why is the president So obsessed with my butt?” And call into question his masculinity. Bring it!



1. Dems infight about "rigging" Iowa for Biden. Not a quiet little infighting but very public infighting.
Many in the Dem party Make it clear they think Biden is being set up as their poster boy.
2. Iowa is handled like it was a 4th grade student council election by the DNC.
3. DNC poster boy Biden gets ass handed to him.
4. Total train wreck at the start of their journey to unseat a president running for reelection in a great economy.
5. That is just bad bad election math to win...

The Butt jokes will be funny, immature but funny. Trump is asshat, but he is funny. Butthead better comes up with a better plan than to imply homosexuality is a character fault.....that won't play well on the left.

He has never handled relations with the military well, going back to his insane comments about McCain. It won't hurt him. As you know the military commonly votes heavy to the right. The disdain of the left for the military is no great secret. Clinton laughing like a fool on camera in 1994 on the beaches of Normandy at the 50th did not hurt him.

I served 4 yrs in the USMC and did my father before me. My oldest son is on his 2nd enlistment (USAF) currently. going to Japan in July to see him. My 17 yr old son is going into the USN . My daughter lives in a different state due to her relationship with a Army Solider. Stepdad was USMC in Vietnam. Both my brother in laws are retired USN, father in law was on the USS Constelation in Vietnam. I say all that to say I have a bit of military in my life, and everyone I mentioned is voting Trump. I did not vote Trump in 2016 as I have said on this forum, I still think he is a huge asshat as a person. But he has done a good job, the left has no one better to offer, and the unfounded politically motivated attempts to try and unseat a elected POTUS by the left has me holding my breath while I vote for Trump in 2020.

I'm not brining anything, that will be President Trump. And if you admit nothing else positive about him you have to be honest and admit he can indeed bring it to the media and his rivals.

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insanewayne253
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1. Who cares. DEMS will come home once a nominee is chosen
2. Iowa is finished being first
3. Who cares
4. Economy sucks. Stocks go up wages don’t, manufacturing isn’t all that rosy.
5. You forgot Trump won just by the skin of his teeth in 16. People are pissed and will show up. Go drunk you’re home

I know several vets and military who will NOT be voting for Trump. The military budget needs to be slashed in half. It's the most wasteful inefficient part of government; wanna get ride of waste, fraud, and abuse, go after the military. I was a civilian employee for the Air Force and saw first hand that some money little by little seems to conveniently disappear and when I bring it up they tell me, "don't worry we got the receipts" only for the receipts to be given to me at a later date. Absolute pain in the ass. There's also ideological infighting because some in the military push that strong Christian values and shit like that. Freedom of religion is fine, but government institutions need to be separate from religious institutions.

The only thing Trump knows how to do is market himself. Hell he was a fucking game show host.

Go ahead and vote against your own best interests. Then again you’re in Texas. Weren’t you guys planning to secede if Obama got a second term??

Next..

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RugglesTx
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:57 pm 
 

insanewayne253 wrote:
1. Who cares. DEMS will come home once a nominee is chosen
2. Iowa is finished being first
3. Who cares
4. Economy sucks. Stocks go up wages don’t, manufacturing isn’t all that rosy.
5. You forgot Trump won just by the skin of his teeth in 16. People are pissed and will show up. Go drunk you’re home

I know several vets and military who will NOT be voting for Trump. So there’s that.

The only thing Trump knows how to do is market himself. Hell he was a fucking game show host.

Go ahead and vote against your own best interests. Then again you’re in Texas. Weren’t you guys planning to secede if Obama got a second term??

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1. I'm sure they will. But a divided base is never going to show up as much as a united one. Fact is that the R party is united, the D is not, And never will fully be this election cycle.
2. No ideal what hat has to do with 2020 election results.
3. The DNC cares. Putting all their eggs in that basket only to have them all fall out and break matters. It will bite them in the ass.
4. It does not suck, literally no one who matters is saying that. Even the Dems are not trying that line of foolishness.
5. He did barely win. A guy with zero political track record beat a political titan like HRC. That is not the case anymore....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/politics ... index.html

CNN, not known for their love of Mister Trump...

Of course there are Vets who will not vote for him, your implication that they will not in mass is historically unproven. In fact the opposite is true. The military budget cutting left is not going to prove popular with activeduty or Vets.

The state of Tejas was not planning too, nut jobs were. Like those nuts in California were after Trump won.

I'm not voting against my best interest, not at all. I'm voting to keep the nutty socialist from gaining any more power. That is 100% in my interest, and my kid's interest.

Not drunk , drinking but not drunk. I have to be at work too early to do that. But it is a great night to celebrate the tom foolery of the left!

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insanewayne253
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:19 pm 
 

Ok Boomer

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