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droneriot
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:24 pm 
 

Yeah pointing out messianic figures to follow in a philosophy based on messianic figures to claim the philosophy doesn't require messianic figures doesn't really work out in a logical way, it's like the AA way of wanting to convert followers to Christianity by the "but it says God as you understand him which totally doesn't mean our cult at all" cop out.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:05 pm 
 

You're the one blathering about messianic figures, bray. I'm just saying read the thinkers who have described the way the modern world came to be, and charted the path out of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:28 pm 
 

Luvers wrote:
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Yeah don't do the latter part and don't develop your dianetics and spare yourself the excessive use of the n-word and antisemitic slurs by Marx and Engels.
What N word? Neighbor? Nickel?


Stop doing this.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:35 am 
 

Quick reminder to all the libs fawning over John Kasich wipping votes for Biden, likely to secure a place in his administration: this fucker crippled Planned Parenthood in Ohio.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:13 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
It's entirely anecdotal, I know, and I'm sure there are some scary counterexamples out there, but I spent two years working at a place that didn't have gender seperated restrooms and just one restroom for all employees, and no woman was ever scared to death by a man entering the restroom and no man ever decided he wants to be a rapist because a woman is taking a shit, everyone was just fine doing their bodily functions. The whole toilet issue thing for me is a thing rooted in deeply ingrained sexism from both sexes, as if someone from the opposite sex shitting next to you will ruin the quality of your shitting. Like I said there's probably plenty of examples of toilet rape or peeping or sexual abuse of any kind, but for sexual violence it's not just that the perp is to blame and not the victim, many people understand that by now, but also that the perp is to blame and not the location. Blaming the location is as dumb as blaming the victim. For the non-psycho population that uses toilets to pee or to shit it's just not a valid example to bring up to justify psychotic obsessions about toilet segregation.

You could also, you know, do what the company I work for has done in the new Finnish HQ: the toilets are unisex, but there are no stalls. Each toilet is a separate room with a seat, sink, and the works. The doors lead directly to the office corridors. We all do the natural things in the toilet, and I don't think there's a real difference in the hygiene level of people of different sexes, at least not here, so why build stalls and cause discomfort, if someone feels bad about sharing the same room with just flimsy stall walls between while tinkling? Also, have enough of them, and make sure the lay-out enables stealthy entry and exit from the toilet, and no one should feel anxious.

Yeah, older ladies (mostly) will complain, for a few months, probably. But it will blow over soon. And no, going to the toilet after me is not one bit more comfortable for men than it is for women: everybody has to breathe, FFS...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:31 am 
 

Napero wrote:
You could also, you know, do what the company I work for has done in the new Finnish HQ: the toilets are unisex, but there are no stalls.


For a moment, I had an attack of anxiety about going to the bathroom in Finland. I thought everything was in the open! :-P

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:10 am 
 

Heh, that was my co-ed dorms back in undergrad. Bathrooms were unisex, had stalls, a few urinals, and showers. It was common to be shitting or showering while chatting with the opposite sex in the stall next to you.

It was different at first, but you got used to it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:04 pm 
 

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Much like the reversal of transgender protections in the US, this is another thing I worry will diffuse throughout the developed world in time. Fucking awful.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:09 am 
 

So why aren't we talking about Trump's Gestapo again?
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matras
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:25 am 
 

I'm curious where all the "anti-federal", "ya'll can't take my gun I need it to protect my freedom for when the government comes" people are?
Can someone shed some light on this to a non-american?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:30 am 
 

I'm fairly certain quite a few of them are raging in their echo chambers. But with these libertarian types it's always like Rand Paul in Congress, they'll make a scene about how fundamentally opposed they are to whatever authoritarian Trump proposal of the day they are, then vote in favour of it along party lines.
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matras
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:36 am 
 

Yeah that's true.

And probably a bit of truth to this:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:40 am 
 

matras wrote:
I'm curious where all the "anti-federal", "ya'll can't take my gun I need it to protect my freedom for when the government comes" people are?
Can someone shed some light on this to a non-american?


droneriot wrote:
I'm fairly certain quite a few of them are raging in their echo chambers. But with these libertarian types it's always like Rand Paul in Congress, they'll make a scene about how fundamentally opposed they are to whatever authoritarian Trump proposal of the day they are, then vote in favour of it along party lines.


The meme I've seen doing the rounds is to the effect that they're not going to fight the government to protect the people that will be anti-gun when everything calms down. I doubt that there's much truth to that, and it's more general cowardice (or as Drone says, following the party whip ultimately), but it's an interesting insight into how people present this stuff to themselves.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:55 am 
 

It's funny how conservatives are still clinging to the "liberals hate guns" reasoning when leftists seem to have gotten even more pro-gun in recent years, myself included. But surely that wouldn't be correlated...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:27 am 
 

The NRA fought tooth and nail to pry the guns out of the hands of black people (particularly the Black Panthers) around the time of the civil rights protests. Anyone surprised by the current state of things shouldn't be.

All that said, I'm a mostly anti-gun lefty, because the simple fact is that the pro-gun right positively annihilates the pro-gun left in people, guns, training and money. If somehow the military got Thanos snapped from existence and a left/right civil war erupted in the US, the right would own this country from stem to stern. I'm sorry but no matter how many guns you and your socialist cadre may have accrued over the years, whether it's the US military or a bunch of obese white Texans in straw hats, we would be completely and utterly fucked.

On the other hand, if you think guns are fun to target practice with, or you live in a high crime area where there's a very clear and present danger to you or your family, owning a gun in The Gun Capital of the World is hardly the dumbest thing you could do.

Just don't delude yourself into thinking you're going to effectuate any political upheaval with it, because you fucking won't.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:01 am 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
It's funny how conservatives are still clinging to the "liberals hate guns" reasoning when leftists seem to have gotten even more pro-gun in recent years, myself included. But surely that wouldn't be correlated...

In many circles, liberals are seen as right-wing because of the neoliberal base that marries free market capitalism with placating leftist social views. These are the types that are anti-gun.

As for darkeningday's point about the number of right-wing gun owners outnumbering leftist, you're right. Spot on. Militant leftists, though, have been traditionally better at guerrilla tactics, and I don't know many people who didn't check out the Cookbook at least once or twice as teens.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:05 am 
 

Most of the hardcore gun nuts in this country are not strictly speaking libertarians in the traditional Hayekian sense, so this is not exactly related, but I would just like to take this opportunity to introduce everyone to the best meme about where modern American libertarians fit into the political spectrum.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:12 pm 
 

The Venn diagram between libertarians and pedophiles would be egg shaped

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:58 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
The NRA fought tooth and nail to pry the guns out of the hands of black people (particularly the Black Panthers) around the time of the civil rights protests. Anyone surprised by the current state of things shouldn't be.

All that said, I'm a mostly anti-gun lefty, because the simple fact is that the pro-gun right positively annihilates the pro-gun left in people, guns, training and money. If somehow the military got Thanos snapped from existence and a left/right civil war erupted in the US, the right would own this country from stem to stern. I'm sorry but no matter how many guns you and your socialist cadre may have accrued over the years, whether it's the US military or a bunch of obese white Texans in straw hats, we would be completely and utterly fucked.

On the other hand, if you think guns are fun to target practice with, or you live in a high crime area where there's a very clear and present danger to you or your family, owning a gun in The Gun Capital of the World is hardly the dumbest thing you could do.

Just don't delude yourself into thinking you're going to effectuate any political upheaval with it, because you fucking won't.

Highly intelligent post from start to finish! Posting to say I agree, and also that without the Thanos snap, even the right wing gun nuts' piles of guns won't matter for intervening against tyranny because the tyrants can blow them up with drones. They are allowed to have guns to mollify them and make them feel like they are safer than they actually are and have more control than they actually do. So, get your cadres into the choice spots in the military hierarchy if you are serious about this stuff (though unfortunately the right is also ahead of the game on this as well).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:16 pm 
 

Parity of firepower is not and never has been essential to successful revolutions. Organization, dedication among cadre, leadership and direction, taking the correct political line, all the ephemeral factors we like to sum up as "morale," these are at least as important as materiel, and arguably more so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:05 pm 
 

Well according to the BBC breaking news thing Trump just said he ordered his Janjaweed on a large scale offensive into several cities.
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matras
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:15 pm 
 

Yeah, "hundreds" to Chicago and around 200 to Kansas City. We'll see how long before they start rounding up protesters/criminals in camps awaiting trial. I mean, Chad Wolfe said they're making "proactive arrests".

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:13 pm 
 

I see Chicago getting violent. Sending unmarked and improperly trained personnel into the city with the highest rate of handgun crime? Brilliant.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:33 pm 
 

matras wrote:
Yeah, "hundreds" to Chicago and around 200 to Kansas City. We'll see how long before they start rounding up protesters/criminals in camps awaiting trial. I mean, Chad Wolfe said they're making "proactive arrests".


Alongside Wolfe at that press conference appeared a Deputy Director who in essence unintentionally admitted that he doesn't understand the concept of probable cause, and possibly doesn't know what an arrest is either.



Whenever this discount mafia leaves the White House, we're going to need a strong dose of deMillerization and deTrumpization. We almost certainly won't get it, but we will need it.
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:40 pm 
 

Maybe Kansas City will be safe since Trump doesn't know what state it's in.
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To be fair, Kansas City is in two states, so even a well educated person could not totally know what state Kansas City is in :P
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:36 pm 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
To be fair, Kansas City is in two states, so even a well educated person could not totally know what state Kansas City is in :P


...North Kansas and South Kansas? :scratch:

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Lol Missouri and Kansas. The Missouri river runs right through two sections of the city, on one side is Kansas and on the other is Missouri.
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On the KS side myself. They both suck, but there are some slight differences.

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Remember reading in the newspaper about some asshole "strongman" president cracking down on protests in some far-away, third-world country with more problems than population? That's USA right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:00 am 
 

Just saw that John Yoo, the guy who legalised torture in the W administration has declared that if Trump wants to rule by decree without approval of Congress or without the decrees even being legal, he has every right to do so and it's perfectly fine.

Actually the silver lining is that with all my history with alcohol and drugs I can rest assured I could always hope for a successful career in the Republican Party since no amount of brain damage will prevent anyone from making it far in it, and in fact it even seems to be preferred.
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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Parity of firepower is not and never has been essential to successful revolutions. Organization, dedication among cadre, leadership and direction, taking the correct political line, all the ephemeral factors we like to sum up as "morale," these are at least as important as materiel, and arguably more so.


It's not essential but it does help. Having the cops or the military radicalised goes a long way to a successful overthrow. But yes, an organised and discipline group will take down much large numbers than a random rubble of boomers or whatever.

But yeah, DarkeningDay should probably look to Vietnam for a fairly obvious counter example.
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I remember a few years ago I posted a fairly sarcastic comment along the lines of "Trump will end up invading American states he doesn't like" and got totally crucified on Reddit. Now I can say in complete seriousness that my city is being invaded by fascists, cool.

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And eventually he or some other Republican autocrat will start invading cities that are friendly to him, most likely with the consent of those cities' mayors and state governors at first.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975

Trump is now actively calling for the election to be delayed. I said months ago on here that he would pull some shit like this, and I was roundly criticized for it, being told there’s no way he could get away with it. Well, he’s gonna try, and considering he has both the Senate and the Supreme Court in his pocket, simply floating the suggestion out there could lead to some bad, bad stuff in a few months.
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me last December wrote:
elections are administered at the state level. There is literally nobody in the federal government Trump can point to and say "cancel the 2020 election" or "put me on every state ballot for 2024." Trump will try some shenanigans in 2020 and/or 2024, but he is not going to convince 50 different state government to cancel an election or grant him ballot access for an unconstitutional 3rd term.

The most plausible nightmare scenario for the 2020 election would be one or more swing states led by a Republican government deciding not to certify the election results if Trump didn't win their state (obviously, pubicly giving some other BS reason), thereby denying the Dem candidate X number of votes in the Electoral College.



Don't really have anything to add, other than to say that merely trying something like this in and of itself will do long-term damage to the country. Also, maybe clarify: though I didn't state it, I presumed the above nightmare scenario would have concurrent civil unrest.
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I won't be surprised if he walks it back in the next day or two. He's no stranger to making bold claims on Twitter and then backtracking when he's challenged on them. Even if he doesn't, there's not a single Republican in Congress coming out and backing him up on this, everyone from Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy to Lindsey Graham and Chuck Grassley is either explicitly or implicitly stating the election is going to happen on the prescribed date. I also don't see the Republican leadership in any of the swing states refusing to certify election results if it's clear Trump lost.

The real threat isn't Trump and his allies actually delaying the election, it's the effort, already underway, to delegitimize the election that it represents.

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Subrick wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975

Trump is now actively calling for the election to be delayed. I said months ago on here that he would pull some shit like this, and I was roundly criticized for it, being told there’s no way he could get away with it. Well, he’s gonna try, and considering he has both the Senate and the Supreme Court in his pocket, simply floating the suggestion out there could lead to some bad, bad stuff in a few months.

No one should've attacked you for arriving at a logical conclusion of the dying brained narcissistic president thrashing wildly around to try to keep from looking like the loser he is, but the executive branch literally does not have the ability to change the election date. It's empty, meaningless threats, and it's maybe even a net a positive because even the most hardened GOP backers are taking a hard look at this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:40 am 
 

One of my friends has a good imagination. I don’t think it’s gonna happen since red states could try to postpone but even if they did, Biden has enough to hit 270; the electors get counted in December; Trumps’s term ends on January 20, 2021 at noon. If no president is selected, you’ll get President Pelosi and whoever is sworn in as Senate pro tempore becomes VP.

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We already know the congressional GOP always caves in to Trump and will support him unconditionally in the end. The apparent pushback against Trump on his tweet about postponing the election is only happening because some of them (like Lindsay Graham) are in tight races and need to pretend they are not rubber stamps for Trump to win the general election.

Here's how matters will likely unfold:

1. Trump continues to undermine confidence in the election over the next several weeks
2. He continues sending federal troops to multiple Democratic-led cities
3. Election Day comes, Graham/McConnell/Ernst/etc. are declared victors that evening
4. The presidential result is not determined that day, it is unclear how long before a winner is called
5. Trump uses that time to get the now-safe congressional GOPers and the lame ducks to pass a resolution in the Senate declaring the election invalid. The same resolution fails in the House along party lines.
6. Trump then proclaims he will not accept the result of the election if he loses, and the congressional GOP all back him and accuse the Democrats of attempting a coup. Trump then declares martial law and already has many occupying forces in place.
7. American democracy dies by year-end.
8. Trump orders an American version of the Night of the Long Knives

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I may sound alarmist here, but I'm convinced people will die in the streets this election.

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