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Unorthodox
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:28 pm 
 

Green anarchist, like Ted Kaczynski? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:56 pm 
 

Ted Kaczynski may have started out as a green anarchist in his contacts with John Zerzan but drifted more towards the Pentii Linkola way of ideology. Even Anarcho primitivists shun him.

But let's stay on topic. I'm happy to discuss the different types and shades of anarchism in another thread/context.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:38 pm 
 

I apologize if this has already been brought up, and perhaps there's nothing to it anyway, but does anyone else find it mildly curious that it's August and the Republican Party has yet to officially nominate Trump? Granted, the RNC isn't until the end of the month, but the incumbent is typically given the thumbs up WAY further out in advance than this.

I'm not holding my breath for anything substantial, but it just seems odd to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:57 pm 
 

It's probably just the 'rona. Not nominating Trump would be political suicide for the GOP.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:37 pm 
 

The only other Republican in the country who could win the election is Joe Biden.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:57 pm 
 

Cori Bush, a progressive woman of color who ran for Congress in Missouri in 2018 and lost, won the primary this time around, ousting 10-term Democratic incumbent Lacy Clay.

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Inkshooter wrote:
It's probably just the 'rona. Not nominating Trump would be political suicide for the GOP.


Ironically, nominating Trump will also be political suicide.

Maybe they should've been smart enough to stop him 5 years ago.
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Resident_Hazard wrote:
Inkshooter wrote:
It's probably just the 'rona. Not nominating Trump would be political suicide for the GOP.


Ironically, nominating Trump will also be political suicide.

Maybe they should've been smart enough to stop him 5 years ago.


I don't think many would see a defeat in November as a real defeat. In the four years since Trump, they and their pals literally made out like bandits and they filled the courts with many ideologically aligned charlatans who will be able to run interference with the Democrats for decades and play ball with Republicans when the time inevitably comes that Republicans control the branches again.

Many are old, so even if they don't get reelected, they've placed pawns in place to do their bidding. And when the younger ones'll be attacked over the 2016-2020 disaster, they'll have a nice scapegoat. I suspect many will "always have been critical" of Trump. The ones who'll lose their seats? They'll have super cozy jobs waiting for them from the crooks they helped.

Oh, and also, Trump showed them how to get there. If Republicans want to support another racist authoritarian, Trump showed them how they can do it. The next one might not be dumber and a bowl of cold, wet noodles.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:17 pm 
 

With the looming NRA ban we enter Culture War Phase II.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:18 pm 
 

Ehhhh, not so much. The NRA was known, even among pro-2A crowds, as being primarily for the manufacturers and not the end users. They've been losing money for years and have seen their popularity, even among their "target audience," nosedive in the past decade. There are other 2A advocacy groups out there that don't have the same ties to corporate interests.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:48 pm 
 

Just dropping by to say the Axios interview is so bad it's good. The interviewer talks to him like he's a fucking 5 year old and Trump acts accordingly. Biden could spend millions on ads and it still wouldn't help him as much as that interview did.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:59 pm 
 

Trump's constant unhinged rambling makes a better case for Biden than Biden himself EVER could.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:59 pm 
 

The fact that any senior official on the Trump campaign---much less an entire group of senior officials---could hear Trump speak for 5 minutes and say "yes, we should make this election about Biden's mental acuity, that's a real positive for us" might be the most astonishing thing that has happened in 2020. Not the Trumpers believing it, mind you---his devotees don't surprise anyone anymore, they have established quite well that they will swallow and regurgitate and then re-swallow any agit-prolefeed thrown at them---but the actual campaign strategists. Imagine if the campaign sat down every Trumper in the country and said "we know you are an idiot, that's why we are doing this." Would the Trumpers understand the insult?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:51 pm 
 

The fact that Trumpers uniformly respond to the Axios interview, and really any public display of Trump's obviously deteriorating mental state, with "BuT bIdEn!" is testament to the fact that the campaign strategists are not complete idiots. They know that Trump's base will swallow up literally anything and everything they are told that confirms their worldview, and they also have to know themselves at this point that Trump is a complete fucking idiot with a brain that's melting like a snocone in the hot sun. They certainly know that there's nobody on the fence about Trump anymore, so they're doubling down on the ages-old Republican strategy of character assassinate the Democratic opponent in every possible way.
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Prigione Eterna wrote:
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It's also good, especially with an election coming up, to remind people that while one of the "bourgeois political parties" is committed to the destruction of life on Earth, unapologetically, the other one is not, no matter how bad you think it is.


Both parties are utterly dedicated to the preservation of the capitalist system of production. The result is the same; whether the path is "open" or not is immaterial.


Do you think helping Trump getting re-elected would make dismantling capitalism easier?


No one is gonna "dismantle capitalism". That's not an adult conversation.

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Metal Minds wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Both parties are utterly dedicated to the preservation of the capitalist system of production. The result is the same; whether the path is "open" or not is immaterial.

Prigione Eterna wrote:
Do you think helping Trump getting re-elected would make dismantling capitalism easier?

No one is gonna "dismantle capitalism". That's not an adult conversation.


That wasn't the point. The point was that if you don't like the economic system a society is based on, in the absence of alternatives you try at least to support a moderate candidate: you don't help the more extremist one getting re-elected because that's going to make reforming the system harder.
Unless you believe that, in order to get rid of such a system, the whole human civilization must be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up; in that case helping Trump would be effective because he's the person in the world most dedicated to destroying the human civilization.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:10 am 
 

Prigione Eterna wrote:
Metal Minds wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Both parties are utterly dedicated to the preservation of the capitalist system of production. The result is the same; whether the path is "open" or not is immaterial.

Prigione Eterna wrote:
Do you think helping Trump getting re-elected would make dismantling capitalism easier?

No one is gonna "dismantle capitalism". That's not an adult conversation.


That wasn't the point. The point was that if you don't like the economic system a society is based on, in the absence of alternatives you try at least to support a moderate candidate: you don't help the more extremist one getting re-elected because that's going to make reforming the system harder.
Unless you believe that, in order to get rid of such a system, the whole human civilization must be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up; in that case helping Trump would be effective because he's the person in the world most dedicated to destroying the human civilization.


Like I said earlier: there's accelerationists among the left too.

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Unorthodox wrote:
Just dropping by to say the Axios interview is so bad it's good. The interviewer talks to him like he's a fucking 5 year old and Trump acts accordingly. Biden could spend millions on ads and it still wouldn't help him as much as that interview did.

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Donald Trump: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Jonathan Swan: Oh, I see. And most statistics go up to ten?
Donald Trump: Exactly.
Jonathan Swan: Does that mean it's more accurate? Is it any more accurate?
Donald Trump: Well, it's one more accurate, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be running statistics at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your charts. Where can you go from there? Where?
Jonathan Swan: I don't know.
Donald Trump: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Jonathan Swan: Put it up to eleven.
Donald Trump: Eleven. Exactly. One more accurate.
Jonathan Swan: Why don't you just make ten more accurate and make ten be the top number and make that a little more accurate?
Donald Trump: [pause] These go to eleven.
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Metal Minds wrote:
No one is gonna "dismantle capitalism". That's not an adult conversation.


Why not? I think the effect of the virus has shaken up the economy quite a bit, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume more people are reconsidering the viability of maintaining the status quo these days.
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matras wrote:
Like I said earlier: there's accelerationists among the left too.


I was being sarcastic. It's hard to take that seriously. With the destructive power the US have (political, military and financial), you have to be insane to think that's the solution to anything.

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No one is gonna "dismantle capitalism". That's not an adult conversation.


Why not? I think the effect of the virus has shaken up the economy quite a bit, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume more people are reconsidering the viability of maintaining the status quo these days.


It seems a long shot.
You'd think such a catastrophe would make people reconsider how things work, but personally I don't see much of that in the public debate.
I hope I'm wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:24 am 
 

Insane or not, there's still people holding that position, both economically and environmentally.

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Sepulchrave wrote:
Why not? I think the effect of the virus has shaken up the economy quite a bit, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume more people are reconsidering the viability of maintaining the status quo these days.

There are like a hundred forms of capitalism that don't follow the American style of max greed/max exploitation, and another hundred capitalism/socialism hybrids, all of which will be considered well before anybody signs up for Juche and the like. Tankies will never win a flower pot in the real world because people don't want a pie in the sky utopia (with a shoddy real world track record), people just want things to be better.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:42 am 
 

I decided to read through Mary Trump's book over the weekend. It's not quite as Donald-based as one would expect but the depths she goes in explaining the iron grip that Fred had on the family dynamic is certainly fascinating.
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Sepulchrave wrote:
Metal Minds wrote:
No one is gonna "dismantle capitalism". That's not an adult conversation.


Why not? I think the effect of the virus has shaken up the economy quite a bit, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume more people are reconsidering the viability of maintaining the status quo these days.


Well, for a number of reasons. The first and most obvious is that the economic calculus is impossible in a planned economy, and that has been proven by Menger and the Austrian economists early in the XX century. That's why all socialist economies fail. Knowledge is spread throughout society (and the world), as conditions change all the time (as well as human action) and it cannot be concentrated in a bureaucrat/member of the state nomenklatur.

Socialism attempted to replace billions of individual decisions made by sovereign actors in the market with "rational economic planning", carried out by a commission of enlightened ones, bureaucrats and state officials empowered to determine everything that would be produced and consumed, and when, how and by whom this process would take place. All the stages and variables of production, distribution and consumption.

This led to widespread scarcity, hunger and mass frustration. When the Soviet government decided to set 22 million prices, 460,000 salaries and more than 90 million jobs for the 110 million government employees, chaos and scarcity were the inevitable result.

The socialist state destroyed the inherent ethics of work, deprived people of the opportunity and initiative to invest and create, and widely spread an assistance mentality.

It's also self-refutable: social leveling in the history of communism systematically created a new class of bureaucrats, agents of the communist party, that consolidated itself as a new bourgeoisie. In other words: the State does not respect class ideology (or intentions) nor does it favors only a political orientation. A good part of the multimillionaire politicians are on the left, and they would hate to be the target of criticism of Marxist analysis (and which are only spared of criticism due to the fact that they have the correct ideological "speech", and, in socialist revolutions, they always expect to be a part of the state nomenklatur, naturally. Although they are rich, they are the “enlightened” ones).

Oppression inevitably becomes infinitely greater than in other systems, as a new bureaucratic caste is created, one which has complete control of society, and this caste automatically becomes the elite. Economic and social power is concentrated on the state. There’s nowhere else to go for dissent and plurality.

Marx is refuted by his own pseudo political followers, somewhat Machiavellians, who build their personal fortunes as a result of socialist exploitation.

Also, we live in the best times for the human species. Never so many people have been fed, clothed, gotten education, lived longer, etc. Of course, there's plenty of poverty, but, since the industrial revolution, western illuminism (and the further developments of scientific methods, Descartes, Francis Bacon, Newton, etc) which have spread with western institutions, we have established the connection of markets, and this led to an explosion of wealth and well-being being created, which was never seen before. I recommend the books of Deirdre McCloskey:

"Through the three volumes of The Bourgeois Era (Bourgeois Virtues of 2006, Bourgeois Dignity of 2010 and Bourgeois Equality of 2016), Deirdre McCloskey investigates what she calls the “Great Enrichment” of the modern world: “the skyrocketing from 1800 ″ that brought "a huge improvement for the poor, your ancestors and mine, and a promise that is now being fulfilled with the same results all over the world." Before 1800, Europeans had an average per capita income equivalent to that of the poorest economies in the world today, such as Chad or Bangladesh. The chance of dying before the age of 30 was 50% and the alternative to death was a life of illiteracy and superstition, with daily risks of illness and hunger, and without the slightest prospect of what we now call “rising in life” - even because the choices of your life would be made by the tribe or community in which you lived. From 1800 to 2000, the income of residents of the most advanced economies in Europe, America and Asia, increased by a factor of 30 to 100. “It not only doubled, not a 100% increase, but it increased by a factor of 100, an increase of about 10,000% ”, emphasizes McCloskey.

"The Great Enrichment is the most important secular event since the invention of agriculture," writes McCloskey. The current debates on the oscillations on the stock exchange and the control of economic aggregates - basically what economy books in the newspapers deal with - are only marginal glosses, footnotes, within the monumental narrative of growth that built and constructs the modern economy. The Great Enrichment broke the Malthusian balance that placed a ceiling on the spread of human life. World population has managed to grow at an unprecedented rate because, for the first time in history, the production of food and other goods started to multiply at a faster speed and for a long period of time. This Great Enrichment that, for McCloskey, “restarted history”, will also “eliminate poverty, as it has already eliminated it for a good part of humanity”"

Nobel Winner Hayek also explained, on his book "The Road to Serfdom", the tendency that concentrated power has to become absolute and tyrannical. I highly recommend one to get familiar with his work.

Here's a summary of this great and fundamental book:

"The Road to Serfdom (German: Der Weg zur Knechtschaft) is a book written between 1940 and 1943 by Austrian-British economist and philosopher Friedrich Hayek. Since its publication in 1944, The Road to Serfdom has been an influential and popular exposition of market libertarianism. It has been translated into more than 20 languages and sold over two million copies (as of 2010).[1][2][3] The book has also made a significant impact on twentieth-century conservative and libertarian economic and political discourse, and is often cited today by commentators.

The Road to Serfdom was to be the popular edition of the second volume of Hayek's treatise entitled "The Abuse and Decline of Reason",[4] and the title was inspired by the writings of the 19th century French classical liberal thinker Alexis de Tocqueville on the "road to servitude".[5] In the book, Hayek "[warns] of the danger of tyranny that inevitably results from government control of economic decision-making through central planning."[6] He further argues that the abandonment of individualism and classical liberalism inevitably leads to a loss of freedom, the creation of an oppressive society, the tyranny of a dictator, and the serfdom of the individual. Hayek challenged the view among British Marxists that fascism (including National Socialism) was a capitalist reaction against socialism. He argued that fascism, National Socialism and socialism had common roots in central economic planning and empowering the state over the individual.

The book was first published in Britain by Routledge in March 1944, during World War II, and was quite popular, leading Hayek to call it "that unobtainable book", also due in part to wartime paper rationing.[7] It was published in the United States by the University of Chicago Press in September 1944 and achieved great popularity."


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How are individualism and lack of economic planning going to help about impending catastrophes like climate change, the current and future pandemics and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction? In fact, they're the cause of those problems.

With the short time experts estimate we have, careful planning, international cooperation and solidarity are the only way out.
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Well, I don’t think you have really engaged with the data I have exposed above. People are entitled to have their utopias, but reality simply says otherwise.

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You haven't answered my question either. But I agree about the difference between utopia and reality: indeed the idea that individualism and deregulation are going to solve the huge and imminent problems the human civilization is facing is utopian.
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I did address briefly the question on why socialism didn’t and doesn’t function. And, no, no one is going to do an international and multi cultural utopian effort to “save” mankind. This is not a realistic perspective on any human activity.

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Capitalism is entirely incapable of confronting the reality of global warming, which is why its greatest supporters have rejected scientific reality in favor of simply claiming it's either not as bad as it is, or it's completely made up. The black beast is that capitalism isn't just an enemy to combating the greatest threat to humanity our world has ever known, its commodification of scarce resources to feed always expanding (because if it's not expanding, it's failing) "growth" is in large part the cause of global warming to begin with.

Capitalism is a clear improvement over mercantilism, which itself was a major step up from feudalism. You'd have to be daft to think the buck stops at the economic system that's killing the world we live in.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:07 pm 
 

I keep on coming around to this hypothetical situation, because it's important if we're trying to correlate capitalism with climate change inaction- would a worker co-op that ran a fossil fuel company have any more motivation to stop climate change than some massive corporation? Because if they would, then by all means blaming capitalism for climate change makes sense. But I have my doubts that it would do any better.
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Your analysis of “capitalism” is basically Marxist ideology.

Capitalism is a reality of trades, economy and production. It is an economic system which deals with resources and the objective conditions of production, which includes understanding scarcity. It can be adapted to different situations. Look at China. A country which understood this and had to open its markets - to the outside world - to generate wealth. And they do it by enslaving their population, being a tyrannical state, brutalizing workers (speak about “workers rights” in China and you will be laughed at) and polluting their environment to the maximum. They enriched themselves because they have millions of rich westerners willing to buy what they manufacture with cheap, slave-like labour.

Capitalism is not a messianic, revolutionary ideology with a utopian purpose. Like socialism.

I’m not particularly a “defender” of capitalism. I just understand it is a fact of life. You can’t have the standards of living we have, or feed the world, or development, without understanding markets, scarcity and the conditions of production. To think that the entire world, all cultures, all states, Russia, China, the Middle East, Iran, Africa, Europe, South America, etc will enter a combined, coordinated, transnational, multicultural effort to “save the species” is incredibly naive. Assuming that the world is a multi ethnic shopping center food court, where everyone will cooperate and have their plate has no grounding in human experience, history or activity. One is welcome to entertain utopias about a planned, united and unified planet and a benign and perfect central world government, but, like I said, that’s economically impossible and absolutely unlikely in terms of any reasonable analysis. Not to mention this would mean complete control of the planet by a caste of state bureaucrats that might not be that perfect. To put it mildly. That is tyranny, and we’ve seen plenty of it in absolutely all socialist experiments we had in the XX century. (Look at Hayek above). Perhaps through the development of super intelligent AI - if we don’t destroy ourselves first, and if it doesn’t destroy us, of course.

But, to think that the objective conditions of reality will change to some sort of hypothetical utopia, is wishful thinking and messianic ideology. It is not looking at reality as it is.

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I keep on coming around to this hypothetical situation, because it's important if we're trying to correlate capitalism with climate change inaction- would a worker co-op that ran a fossil fuel company have any more motivation to stop climate change than some massive corporation? Because if they would, then by all means blaming capitalism for climate change makes sense. But I have my doubts that it would do any better.

Profit. A fully democratized workplace in a society that places limits on privatization will not pursue profit (in the corporate sense).


FWIW Metal Minds, i wouldn't call myself a socialist or communist, I'm just opposed to privatized, ever-expanding profits in the hands of fewer and fewer people and in favor of labor unions, a fully democratized workforce and vastly increasing public utilities, especially in regards to healthcare and energy. There are perhaps a few specific sectors where a regulated market would best be preferable.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:14 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
wouldn't call myself a socialist or communist, I'm just opposed to privatized, ever-expanding profits in the hands of fewer and fewer people and in favor of labor unions, a fully democratized workforce and vastly increasing public utilities


Well, putting all the economic force in centralised government, as Hayek has discussed, and history has displayed, assumes that bureaucratic officials are better in terms of dealing with wealth and power than the private sector, which is not the case. Also, the state doesn't generate wealth, it only confiscates it, so, not gonna happen.

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in favor of labor unions, a fully democratized workforce


Which is a euphemism for communism, and that's not gonna happen as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:15 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
There are perhaps a few specific sectors where a regulated market would best be preferable.

Yeah it's funny how nowadays so many people seem to believe it's some law of nature that ideologies need to be steamrolled over every aspect of society and seem to believe it's impossible to apply different solutions locally.

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darkeningday wrote:
in favor of labor unions, a fully democratized workforce


Which is a euphemism for communism, and that's not gonna happen as well.

That's funny, the misanthopic behemoth of a megacorporation I used to work for had a labor union that we voted for in a democratic vote, I guess multi-billion euro megacorporations are communist now. Then again you also say it won't happen so it was all a dream, I was in a coma in some Twilight Zone episode or something.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:34 am 
 

Well, if you want to believe the example you gave proves that we are before a social revolution which will change social order and revolutionize mankind, be my guest.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:37 am 
 

What? Are you on LSD or something?

If you wanna believe that cows are green, can fly and shoot lasers from their eyes, be my guest. You never said it, but I'll just say you did, because apparently that's what we do now.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:48 am 
 

I have no idea of what you are discussing. But you are entitled to have your utopian expectations if you wish to. I’m just not a part of that perspective, mainly due to the facts I have exposed above. I also recommend the reading of Solzhenitsyn (another Nobel) and Raymond Aaron. The Opium of Intellectuals is a great book.

“Raymond Aron's 1955 masterpiece The Opium of the Intellectuals, is one of the great works of twentieth- century political reflection. Aron shows how noble ideas can slide into the tyranny of "secular religion" and emphasizes how political thought has the profound responsibility of telling the truth about social and political reality-in all its mundane imperfections and tragic complexities.

Aron explodes the three "myths" of radical thought: the Left, the Revolution, and the Proletariat. Each of these ideas, Aron shows, are ideological, mystifying rather than illuminating. He also provides a fascinating sociology of intellectual life and a powerful critique of historical determinism in the classically restrained prose for which he is justly famous.”

“Aron's focus is upon his criticism of the widespread intellectual adherence in his time to Marxism. The title of the book is an inversion of Karl Marx's famous dictum that religion is the opium of the people, and is a derivation from Simone Weil's quotation that "Marxism is undoubtedly a religion, in the lowest sense of the word. ... [I]t has been continually used ... as an opiate for the people."[1]

Aron was critical of Marxism in that he saw it as reneging on some of the basic advances made by human civilisations, such as the freedom of enquiry, freedom of controversy, freedom of criticism, and the vote.[2]

In particular, Aron considered that there was a form of intellectual dishonesty or hypocrisy at work in his time period, where some people were extremely critical of certain forms of government or society (such as capitalist democracy) but forgiving towards crimes and infractions committed in societies claiming to manifest the 'correct' ideology. He was, therefore, deeply critical of what he perceived of as a form of intellectual dogmatism and fanaticism that held to a fixed framework of thought regardless of empirical evidence in opposition to it - a process akin to the creation of a kind of secular religion or faith system.”

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:56 am 
 

Metal Minds wrote:
But you are entitled to have your utopian expectations if you wish to.

AGAIN I have not uttered any such thing, you are completely 100% hallucinating. Get a grip on reality for crying out loud, you have completely lost it.
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