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Unorthodox
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 2:16 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
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Why am I not surprised that you would use mass suffering in India to try and “gotcha!” the leftists here?

Also, CCP ain’t communist, they’re state capitalist.


Yup, a capitalist autocracy that has gone way over its head. Wont even allow independent investigations into the origin of the virus. Then openly mocks India in its state-controlled media. You can't make this shit up.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 3:29 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
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Why am I not surprised that you would use mass suffering in India to try and “gotcha!” the leftists here?

Also, CCP ain’t communist, they’re state capitalist.


Leftists = communists? Not the brightest bulb in the bulb pack huh?

I've lived in China for close to three years (and Taiwan for the same amount of time), and speak (I assume) much better Chinese than you. I think I know a bit (actually quite a lot) more than you in this matter, buddy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 3:44 pm 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
Subrick wrote:
waiguoren wrote:


Why am I not surprised that you would use mass suffering in India to try and “gotcha!” the leftists here?

Also, CCP ain’t communist, they’re state capitalist.


Yup, a capitalist autocracy that has gone way over its head. Wont even allow independent investigations into the origin of the virus. Then openly mocks India in its state-controlled media. You can't make this shit up.


Sure. China is lying about a lot of shit. Unfortunately we have lost all our balls in the West to even question their bullshit (don't worry, the pseudo-commie fucks on this site like Subrick are more than happy to lick the cum off their rotten ballsacks).

What an unfortunate world we live in.

Better to brag about taking a vaccine that hasn't been properly tested than to question the origin of this bullshit. That is how stupid and brainwashed the majority of us are. Makes sense anyhow, the majority of 'us' are just parrots, repeating the same garbage ad infinitum.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 4:28 pm 
 

waiguoren wrote:

Sure. China is lying about a lot of shit. Unfortunately we have lost all our balls in the West to even question their bullshit (don't worry, the pseudo-commie fucks on this site like Subrick are more than happy to lick the cum off their rotten ballsacks).

What an unfortunate world we live in.

Better to brag about taking a vaccine that hasn't been properly tested than to question the origin of this bullshit. That is how stupid and brainwashed the majority of us are. Makes sense anyhow, the majority of 'us' are just parrots, repeating the same garbage ad infinitum.


And let me guess, you are one of the enlightened few, right?

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 5:03 pm 
 

I will happily let wag know that I am not, in fact, a communist. As communism is by design a stateless system, I feel it is incompatible with human nature, as people historically just recongregate into states and governments cyclically in the absence of one already in place. Either that or you get places like The Congo that are just a war torn wasteland of poverty, suffering, and death. There have been no truly communist states in world history that I’m aware of, entirely due to those states not meeting the definition of communism as written by Marx.

So no, I am not a “pseudo-commie fuck that’s more than happy to lick the cum off their rotten ballsacks”, smarty. In fact, if you look throughout the US politics thread, you’ll see that I have actually criticized communist states for human rights abuses and the curtailing of civil liberties numerous times. I’ve strongly disagreed with Sedition and Pockets every single time she’s gone on the warpath about how various communist states were justified in campaigns of genocide and abuse of human rights, and I will continue to be. Being a socialist is not the same thing at all as being a communist, as ultimately they are two separate economic models born from the same ideology. Maybe you should actually know what you’re talking about next time before you flap off about things you demonstrably don’t understand, my guy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 6:17 pm 
 

waiguoren wrote:


The irony there is that their rocket is actually awful - they keep failing and dropping back to earth in pieces at random. I suppose being nasty little children and laughing at India's suffering is one way of avoiding facing reality around COVID or their space program :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/04/out-of-control-chinese-rocket-tumbling-to-earth

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/large-chunks-of-a-chinese-rocket-missed-new-york-city-by-about-15-minutes/

The nasty capitalists that I work for are sending palletloads of material aid, and regular six figure sums of money to help, so that's something I suppose. Less of the meme value, though.


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I've lived in China for close to three years (and Taiwan for the same amount of time), and speak (I assume) much better Chinese than you. I think I know a bit (actually quite a lot) more than you in this matter, buddy.


My sister lived and worked in the less touristy parts of Canton/Guangdong province for a while, she didn't enjot it - she then got a lot of 'it can't be that bad there, they have iPhones !' when she got home. She now lives in the US - the people's paradise having appealed not a jot :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 6:23 pm 
 

Y'all do also realize I'm not defending China here, right? I mean, I say that, but I know you don't because that's not how your brains work. Aren't rhetorical questions fun?
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 6:37 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
Y'all do also realize I'm not defending China here, right? I mean, I say that, but I know you don't because that's not how your brains work. Aren't rhetorical questions fun?


Clear to me ! If you do ever want a laugh at someoe weebing really hard for a dodgy regime, check out some of the Russia Today articles & comments on COVID news. Those Kremlin bots are.... something else entirely :D
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:33 am 
 

I've noticed people often forget totalitarian regimes are: national socialism, fascism and communism.
Second, China is communist-capitalist hybrid: http://real.mtak.hu/33050/1/MTDP1604.pdf.
Third, in practice, the line between socialism and communism has always been thin and I don't think socialism could be implemented in a way that it could work better than capitalism. We need a third alternative. I have no idea what it should be, I'm apolitical.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 8:59 am 
 

There is no perfect model of government. Everything is based on mentality. Many condemn the state system in China, because their mentality does not allow them to understand that if the Chinese live in such a regime, if they are so law-abiding, this is their feature, this is not a plus or a minus. Of course, when the government punishes quarantine violators very severely during COVID, this is bad on the one hand. On the other hand, connivance, ignoring the performance of anti-vaccine users and those who do not believe in COVID creates a mess in society. Yes, we have freedom of speech, but we have little order. And in times of crisis like the COVID pandemic, austerity and harsh measures would be most warranted.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 1:03 pm 
 

All right. Two things. Was trying to send Subrick a PM to apologize for coming across as aggressive (because I swear if we had to meet in real life we would be the best of friends), and number two is I have a message from someone (could be from a mod, who knows because for the life of me I can't figure out how to empty my inbox so I have space to read the damn thing).

So I will say what I wanted to say to Subrick in a PM here. Apologies for being out of line, I assure you I am not like this in real life. It's an Internet disease, we all suddenly become assholes, and I guess a lot of what we say online doesn't translate well. It's a pity that it is the way it is, but hopefully no hard feelings. I, personally,, wish I came across a bit better (or more like I am in real life), but alas that is hard to do.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2021 4:43 am 
 

Good lord almighty - I wonder how much of this is going on elsewhere in the world -

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/9000-fliers-may-have-had-reused-swabs-jammed-up-their-noses-in-indonesia/

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Since last December, more than 9,000 airline passengers who took a coronavirus rapid test as they flew out of Kualanamu International Airport in Medan, Indonesia, may have been tested by having previously used cotton swabs jammed into their noses.

Medan police arrested four workers and a local manager of the major pharmaceutical company Kimia Farma, which was working in conjunction with the airport to help perform the tests. The Medan-based Kimia Farma employees were allegedly washing and repacking cotton swabs for the tests while pocketing up to 1.8 billion rupiah (~$125,000), local police said.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2021 12:24 pm 
 

:puke: jesus christ that's disgusting, total lack of common sense. Obviously would increase the amount of false positives too, or even "newly" positives.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2021 4:57 pm 
 

There's also the possibility that they infected people with the reused swabs, even if they were washed. I feel like their definition of "washed" was just running a swab under water, drying it off, and then resealing it in the package.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:51 am 
 

WHO has finally approved Sinopharm's vaccine: https://www.who.int/news/item/07-05-2021-who-lists-additional-covid-19-vaccine-for-emergency-use-and-issues-interim-policy-recommendations.

I didn't expect that our government would offer everyone who gets vaccinated by the end of May 3000 RSD, and I'm positively surprised that it works, although some antivaxxers like my sister say they wouldn't get the shot even if they get offered a lot more money.
How to make these stupid people change their mind? Being a biologist doesn't help, I know some who refuse to get vaccinated, big shame.

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Would this be the same WHO that, in late 2019/early 2020, said we had nothing to worry about? The same WHO that blocked Taiwan* from a critical virus conference? The same WHO that is clearly influenced by China('s money)? You'll have to forgive me somewhat for not trusting them.

*Taiwan being the country that has suffered 12 deaths (one of the lowest mortality rates in the world) and was the first to respond to the pandemic because they knew not to trust China's word that everything was under control.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 9:28 am 
 

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You'll have to forgive me somewhat for not trusting them.

Are you trying to say you would refuse to get Sinopharm's vaccine even if they can't offer you any other? I wanted to take the shot as soon as possible, and accepted it. Ironically, a couple of days later I got the call to take Astra Zenece, which I gave to my father. I think inactivated vaccines are the safest*, but at the same time the least effective. (*mRNA from vaccine can bind to regulatory RNAs already present in our cells, which is why so many people feel ill after Pfizer and Moderna, but their effectiveness is superb and side effects are transient)
The world is already late with vaccination and we are giving too much space for vaccine evading variants to emerge, which is why everyone needs to get vaccinated ASAP, and WHO's approval of vaccines directly influences their distribution through Covax.

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Osore wrote:
Are you trying to say you would refuse to get Sinopharm's vaccine even if they can't offer you any other?


I'd rather take the Sputnik vaccine which is much more effective. I'm 43 years old and not obese, so I'm not in a risk group anyway. Would much prefer to develop antibodies the old-fashioned way anyhow.

For the record, my other half had the virus late in her pregnancy. She got tested for antibodies a few weeks ago and has the 'good ones' while I on the other hand - despite sitting next to her on the couch while she was coughing - never got it (as far as I know). She had mild cold symptoms for a couple of days.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:20 am 
 

waiguoren wrote:
Osore wrote:
Are you trying to say you would refuse to get Sinopharm's vaccine even if they can't offer you any other?


I'd rather take the Sputnik vaccine which is much more effective. I'm 43 years old and not obese, so I'm not in a risk group anyway. Would much prefer to develop antibodies the old-fashioned way anyhow.

For the record, my other half had the virus late in her pregnancy. She got tested for antibodies a few weeks ago and has the 'good ones' while I on the other hand - despite sitting next to her on the couch while she was coughing - never got it (as far as I know). She had mild cold symptoms for a couple of days.


Sputnik is not old-fashioned, it works the same way as Astra Zeneca (DNA gets transcribed to RNA, which is then translated to spike protein...). If you look back at this thread, you'll see that I put it on my wish list after they published data from 3rd phase trial, and I knew they would offer me Sinopharm anyway. I'm 27, thin, not in a risk group, and it was in February...you need to hurry up with your shot.

Your wife certainly got infected with smaller amount of viral particles, which explains milder symptoms and lower transmission. I don't know what ''good antibodies'' means.

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Sorry, by 'the old-fashioned way' I meant by getting the virus and developing antibodies that way. Sputnik is one of the best vaccines. I can't get the vaccine now in any case as it's not available yet for my age group in Sweden.

Re: the antibodies test my other half had, there were (if I recall correctly) four different types/levels, she was told she had the best ones. I should actually investigate that more, but distinctly recall her results having (again, if I recall correctly) four different options on the sheet with her check mark being by the first one.
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waiguoren wrote:
Sorry, by 'the old-fashioned way' I meant by getting the virus and developing antibodies that way. Sputnik is one of the best vaccines. I can't get the vaccine now in any case as it's not available yet for my age group in Sweden.

That way is actually way worse than getting immunity with the vaccine because you have to fight with virus that replicates in your cells and are at risk of developing severe symptoms. Sinopharm's vaccine is the same as getting the virus naturally, with one crucial difference - virus is inactivated and can't replicate in your cells. That's the best alternative to getting the virus from other people, if you prefer that way.

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Re: the antibodies test my other half had, there were (if I recall correctly) four different types/levels, she was told she had the best ones. I should actually investigate that more, but distinctly recall her results having (again, if I recall correctly) four different options on the sheet with her check mark being by the first one.

She probably had high levels of antibody, which means longer protection. Vaccines are much better than natural infection because the majority of them leads to activation of T cell response (cellular), along with humoral immunity reflected in antibodies, and non of them can cause a disease (COVID-19).

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 3:42 pm 
 

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?
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Interesting. I wasn't following the story when it started, and I believe this is the first time I've heard they might have done the research on coronavirus infectivity on mice and human cells, binding on ACE2, etc. It doesn't take a genius to see a connection between a lab that does research on coronaviruses and the possible accident in the same town. I'm sure communists have already destroyed any evidence of manipulations on virus that might have led to the human infecting strain, if they did experiments as described in project's objectives.
By the way, there are million interesting fundamental things someone can research on bats, and yet those biomed freaks focus on human aspect, and this is what happens. I don't see the point in making human-infecting strains - the ability to predict natural evolution that way comes with a risk of releasing the virus.

I'm opposed to the use of genetic engineering in people, as in He Jiankui affair. Just google, it was a scandal, and happened in China. Similar use of CRISPR/Cas are announced to happen in Russia. :roll:

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I am not sure the takeaway here is anything about communists. This research was also funded by the US. What strikes me most is that this line of research is supported so much, how poorly it is being handled and that an entire branch of science is keeping quiet about it.

The article was magnificent in presenting the science and the facts, highlighting the extremely dubious ethics and practices but I think the ending argument regarding Trump and the left, might be valid but ultimately detract from the main argument.
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Dungeon_Vic wrote:
I am not sure the takeaway here is anything about communists. This research was also funded by the US. What strikes me most is that this line of research is supported so much, how poorly it is being handled and that an entire branch of science is keeping quiet about it.

The article was magnificent in presenting the science and the facts, highlighting the extremely dubious ethics and practices but I think the ending argument regarding Trump and the left, might be valid but ultimately detract from the main argument.

What I meant is communists=authorities in China. They tried to cover up covid before it blew up, so destroying compromising documents would be a piece of cake for them.
I've noticed that it was funded by the US, they really love to spend money on stupid things.

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Dungeon_Vic wrote:

Thank you for posting that, that was very informative. I now believe that they’re both lying, to make themselves look good. To anyone who thinks it evolved naturally, or believes that “good government” is even possible, if anyone has the power, over you, they do what they do, for their benefit, not yours!

History will prove punk vocalists right, once again.

They lie, you die. When you have eliminated the impossible, you are left with the probable possibility, that the fucking assholes really are assholes, and don’t care about you. They didn’t want it to spread, intentionally! I’m not claiming that. But they allowed negligence, and they are most likely lying.
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Dungeon_Vic wrote:

A researcher refuted the key science of that article in a Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status ... 0848032772

Having said that, the article is still somewhat compelling where it points out that the virologists were the ones bringing all those virus samples back to Wuhan.

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Guys do you to own negligence, Corona virus has rapidly in my country - India. The situation has worsened due to O2 scarcity. Currently, government is trying best to increase O2 productivity.

I don't totally blame our government, it's also because of our negligence. And in our country it's next to impossible to properly stay social distance.

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DeadKid wrote:
Dungeon_Vic wrote:

A researcher refuted the key science of that article in a Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status ... 0848032772

Having said that, the article is still somewhat compelling where it points out that the virologists were the ones bringing all those virus samples back to Wuhan.


So, it’s saying that it could’ve occurred naturally? I don’t understand all the biology language, but that what it looks like he’s claiming. Still, we have official reports saying that accidental leaks would be impossible, because they took all the precautions, but the virologists themselves admit they were doing these dangerous experiments in bio safety level 2 and 3 environments.
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DeadKid wrote:
Dungeon_Vic wrote:

A researcher refuted the key science of that article in a Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status ... 0848032772

Having said that, the article is still somewhat compelling where it points out that the virologists were the ones bringing all those virus samples back to Wuhan.


The article is important because regardless of this specific case, there is a real issue of how virologists are conducting very questionable research. But the circumstantial evidence also point to the lab-made theory or at least the escaped from a lab theory (whether it was a natural or synthesized virus).

The person who wrote that tweet has claimed stuff that with my limited understanding sound dubious and reading the comments in the thread, he seems to be doing what he did in the original article. This original article:

"A second statement that had enormous influence in shaping public attitudes was a letter (in other words an opinion piece, not a scientific article) published on 17 March 2020 in the journal Nature Medicine. Its authors were a group of virologists led by Kristian G. Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute. “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” the five virologists declared in the second paragraph of their letter."
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Hexenmacht46290 wrote:
DeadKid wrote:
Dungeon_Vic wrote:

A researcher refuted the key science of that article in a Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status ... 0848032772

Having said that, the article is still somewhat compelling where it points out that the virologists were the ones bringing all those virus samples back to Wuhan.


So, it’s saying that it could’ve occurred naturally? I don’t understand all the biology language, but that what it looks like he’s claiming. Still, we have official reports saying that accidental leaks would be impossible, because they took all the precautions, but the virologists themselves admit they were doing these dangerous experiments in bio safety level 2 and 3 environments.


I am biologist, and although I'm not in the field of molecular genetics (which is great because it bored me to tears), I understood every word. I think his conclusion is worth citing: ''Does this disprove a lab leak? No. However, it disproves there being a "smoking gun" in the FCS and lends further evidence to natural emergence - but it also does not *prove* that scenario. To this day, we have yet to see any scientific evidence supporting a lab leak.'' He just provided evidence of similarities between genetic sequences of different viruses that doesn't surprise us and showed that it could have evolved naturally, which is completely expected.

Scientists said there is no trace of genetic markers in the sequence of coronavirus which would prove that it was altered by humans. I wish I know what they are exactly looking for, I suppose some restriction or ligation sites, which are codes recognised by enzymes that cut one part of the sequence and ''paste'' another, and something like that would be the evidence of lab origin. It is also true that you have to know what to search for in order to recognise it, and they are clearly hiding the data obtained in experiments run before the pandemic that might have been something in line with ''let's play with coronaviruses and alter them to infect human-like cells in vitro''.
Personally, I don't see a reason why it couldn't have evolved naturally, but at the same time I'm concerned by the objectives of the project in Wuhan mentioned in the article shared by Dungeon_Vic.

Anyway, the moral of the story is people should not spread into wildlife habitats, exterminate and sell wild animals, etc. and scientific experiments with high risks should not take place. Environmental protection and scientific ethics are obviously being exploited (is that a right word?) in favour of overpopulation supported by biomedical freaks, general public and politicians who don't care. If fundamental scientific research had been financed, they could have caught the virus before it became super infectious, but no, they would rather spend into biomedicine. Now it made full circle and huge amounts of money were spent to do research on coronavirus and create vaccines.

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2021 5:57 am 
 

The doom merchants are enjoying themselves in Britain - with Donald gone, they've got less to froth about so COVID has kept them busy - it was looking like it was done with, and then new variants arrived to keep them in spleen ! Extra shot lattes all round !

Translated from government-bullshit-ese; "we're late as usual with travel restrictions, and should have made vaccination mandatory rather than optional"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/may/18/uk-covid-live-news-local-lockdowns-indian-variant-latest-updates-live

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In his morning interviews George Eustice, the environment secretary, confirmed that a return to local lockdowns might be needed if the Covid situation deteriorates. (See 9.16am.) Here are some of the other points he made.

Eustice stressed the need for people to get vaccinated. He said:

We will only be able to exit this pandemic when the vast majority of people have had the vaccine.

He rejected claims that the government was slow to put India on the red list. He said:

What we did is put India on the red list a full six days before that variant was even under investigation and a full two weeks before it was declared a variant of concern.

We did put India on the list as soon as we saw an uptick in prevalence and well before the Indian variant was declared a variant of concern.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 4:59 pm 
 

I had dose 2 of the moderna vaccine yesterday, after work. I then lifted weights, doing deadlift, chinups, and strict press. Because they inject you in the shoulder, I now have swelling in one shoulder, but it doesn’t even look like bruising.

Edit: it’s now spread across my upper arm.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 9:21 pm 
 

Starting to see lots of shows pop up around here, most being in June. Really hoping we're over the hump here, and don't see a relapse.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 10:05 pm 
 

In terms of the mental health aspect of covid, and being an introvert by nature, this article resonates with me right now:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... bmN3LWgSG8

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:00 pm 
 

^ the author seems to enjoy this way more than I did (and I'm definitely on the "mostly okay" side of the lockdown spectrum), but there's plenty of good points there. It was clear to me from the start that right-wing politicians and companies in particular were fucking terrified of introducing the lockdown for precisely this reason - that it would prove how much of the apparently "necessary" nonsense was completely fake in order to keep people in line while they live in their isolated manors and by different laws. This part in particular is the best line of the article:
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Service personnel are apparently ungrateful for the opportunity to get paid not enough to live on by employers who have demonstrated they don’t care whether their workers live or die.


As for myself, I am very much looking forward to having my first proper holiday in 7 years (was either too poor or had no one to go with for 5 years, then when in 2020 I finally had both...) and going out to music events and stuff, but it was also quite eye-opening to see that I can actually easily fit my usual workday in 2-3 hours (working from home with no other supervision than "this stuff needs to be done") and with that saving of time and energy I can manage to keep a small side job going and make music while sleeping 8h a day. This was an eye opener that many up top definitely did not want people to have, and while the metamorphosis is pretty underwhelming - I don't know if it was naive or reasonable to expect a larger social transformation than this "patented vaccines" and "minimum wage jobs are back" bullshit - it still is positive to see that some of those changes are obviously here to stay and no number of narcissistic CEOs can pull them back.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 12:47 am 
 

A lot of people have created a new way of life in this pandemic that's vastly more introverted, and thus, anything outside of these created habits feels like work. That said, I refuse to allow myself to be my own worst enemy. When I don't feel like going to the gym, that's when I need to go. When I don't want to socialize and just want to stay inside and watch Netflix all day, that's when I need to socialize. When my alarm goes off and I want to sleep an extra three hours, that's when I need to get my ass out of bed and down a cup of coffee. I see acclimating back into the world as no different- it breaks your habits, but those quarantine habits need to be broken.

That said, I do hope remote work is largely here to stay. Wasting a massive amount of time commuting to some office because some executive douche lord feels like direct contact with coworkers "breeds a sort of spontaneity in ideation" is a routine I have no desire incorporating into my life. Especially when all indications point to higher productivity among remote workers. What a surprise- sucking 1/2 the energy out of your employees by enforcing a work from the office policy leads to shitty outcomes. Who woulda thunk that one?
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 1:57 pm 
 

I generally agree with you, I think the takeaway is to think what is actually the best for you and keep doing that. It's clear that a lot of the things we were told are "normal" or "necessary" were actually neither (which I had felt for a long time and therefore got into trouble more than once, yay) and every call to "go back to normal" needs to be questioned which "normal" we're actually talking about and for whose benefit. On the other hand, while for me in some ways the lockdown helped get closer to some long-standing ambitions I've had, depending on said ambitions for some people it could have been the opposite and in that case it is important not to lose sight of what were the good things before all this started.

Still it's really good not to overcompensate and wonder sometimes if you're really doing the right thing - like that article mentioned, the lockdown made it simply clear that many things were fucked up already long before, and this just forced many people to confront that fact. Maybe sometimes taking a break is the right answer, rather than pushing forward just because that used to be the "normal" thing to do. It was largely accepted that instead of dealing with real problems you just swept them under the rug and kept going on, and I hope one of the takeaways of this whole mess is that people will more often actually stop and think if they shouldn't take better care of themselves also mentally.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:36 am 
 

I'll get my vaccination today. Johnson & Johnson. Fingers crossed about side effects.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:29 pm 
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57358492

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While scientists across the world have come under attack throughout the pandemic, the threat to Prof Marc Van Ranst is more serious than most.

He has been targeted by a far-right rogue soldier, Jürgen Conings, who has a vendetta for virologists and Covid lockdowns. The military shooting instructor is on the run with a rocket launcher and a machine gun, and Belgian police cannot find him.


Really the kind of enemy you need.
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