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severzhavnost
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:27 pm 
 

Curious_dead wrote:
And again, fucking morons all over the world, including Montreal, so close, protested against masks, lockdowns, and other health measures. I can't fucking stand these idiots. People dancing together without masks, SMH, they make things worse. Yeah yeah, you have the right to take risks for your health, but you can't make those choices for those around you and that's what these measures are about. I'm not sure which group is more prevalent among them, selfish assholes or brainwashed morons, but either way, fuck them.


Obvious logic says: Going outside lowers your risk of infection, compared to being stuck indoors sharing germs.
State says: We’d better post capacity limits on skating rinks, snowmobile trails and toboggan hills.

Obvious logic says: Closing pubs earlier - where there is sanitizer aplenty, space between tables and people wear masks when moving around - will lead to people having afterparties at home where nobody does that stuff.
State says: We’d better close pubs earlier.

Obvious logic says: Virus doesn’t care what businesses are essential. A hair salon can use the same plastic tents around each chair, that the dentist offices have.
State says: Let’s pick and choose which businesses to shut down based on perceived importance, ignoring the similar level of risk that might be present.

So y’know... before you dismiss as “fucking morons” anyone who dares to not march in blind lockstep with whatever half-arsed edict handed down by the bumbling fascists at all levels of our governments, you might want to try actually thinking for yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:24 am 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
Curious_dead wrote:
And again, fucking morons all over the world, including Montreal, so close, protested against masks, lockdowns, and other health measures. I can't fucking stand these idiots. People dancing together without masks, SMH, they make things worse. Yeah yeah, you have the right to take risks for your health, but you can't make those choices for those around you and that's what these measures are about. I'm not sure which group is more prevalent among them, selfish assholes or brainwashed morons, but either way, fuck them.


Obvious logic says: Going outside lowers your risk of infection, compared to being stuck indoors sharing germs.
State says: We’d better post capacity limits on skating rinks, snowmobile trails and toboggan hills.

Obvious logic says: Closing pubs earlier - where there is sanitizer aplenty, space between tables and people wear masks when moving around - will lead to people having afterparties at home where nobody does that stuff.
State says: We’d better close pubs earlier.

Obvious logic says: Virus doesn’t care what businesses are essential. A hair salon can use the same plastic tents around each chair, that the dentist offices have.
State says: Let’s pick and choose which businesses to shut down based on perceived importance, ignoring the similar level of risk that might be present.

So y’know... before you dismiss as “fucking morons” anyone who dares to not march in blind lockstep with whatever half-arsed edict handed down by the bumbling fascists at all levels of our governments, you might want to try actually thinking for yourself.


So, which one are you? One of the fucking morons or the entitled assholes? Since you've used the term "fascist" to describe public health measure, I'm going to say you're likely a little of both.

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severzhavnost
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:39 am 
 

Thank you for your very well thought out response! You have helped me see the error of my ways! I now understand that the officials - elected and otherwise - always do what’s best and have not bungled one single aspect of this pandemic; and that there is no such thing as a legitimate question or concern about any public health measure. I am so happy that you’ve freed me from the burden of having an opinion!!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:16 pm 
 

Blaming people for going out and doing stuff this far in, while the governmental responses could've easily curbed things and helped more, seems like looking at the trees instead of the forest to me. Some people will be selfish but I hardly think that is the worst thing that's happened. Dunno about Canada but the U.S. response was insane and ridiculous and worthy of more condemnation than any individuals.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:23 pm 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
Thank you for your very well thought out response! You have helped me see the error of my ways! I now understand that the officials - elected and otherwise - always do what’s best and have not bungled one single aspect of this pandemic; and that there is no such thing as a legitimate question or concern about any public health measure. I am so happy that you’ve freed me from the burden of having an opinion!!


Oh come on. These people are the "plandemic", "masks are tyranny", "vaccines are bIll Gates way to use 5G to turn you into drones", "why can't I hold a gender reveal aprty with dozens of people" type.

If they were reasonable at all, they wouldn't protest maskless, they would social distance... They're making a show of doing the exact opposite. If there are any reasonable business owners hurting by the pandemic, the morons are drowning their message out.

I.e. if you think the government's response and measures are bad (and believe me I do think there are plenty of things to criticize) don't go protesting in a way that's going to exacerbate the issue. That should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense.

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severzhavnost
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:56 pm 
 

Well... seems I’ve completely misinterpreted your earlier post. I though you were equating people with reasonable critiques, with those reckless hooligan loudmouths. That was wrong of me to assume, and I’m sorry.
Turns out we’re pretty well on the same side! Much as I hate fumbling governments who manage to be simultaneously half-cocked and iron-fisted; I hate much more these gangs of numpties who hand the dishonest politicians an excuse to quash dissent through false equivalence.
Good night and happy spring :)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:42 am 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
Well... seems I’ve completely misinterpreted your earlier post. I though you were equating people with reasonable critiques, with those reckless hooligan loudmouths. That was wrong of me to assume, and I’m sorry.
Turns out we’re pretty well on the same side! Much as I hate fumbling governments who manage to be simultaneously half-cocked and iron-fisted; I hate much more these gangs of numpties who hand the dishonest politicians an excuse to quash dissent through false equivalence.
Good night and happy spring :)


Oops, seems like it was a misunderstanding...

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InnesI
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:41 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Blaming people for going out and doing stuff this far in, while the governmental responses could've easily curbed things and helped more, seems like looking at the trees instead of the forest to me. Some people will be selfish but I hardly think that is the worst thing that's happened. Dunno about Canada but the U.S. response was insane and ridiculous and worthy of more condemnation than any individuals.


About not seeing the forest for all the trees I just wonder what the long term effects will be for all of you who are in societies that used (and use) the lockdown method. I have a friend who lives outside of Chicago. She is a single mother with her own house. Her daughters school has been closed for, what approaches, one year now (she is about 9 I believe). My friend has to home school her which has led her to not be able to stay at her job. Therefore all bills are paid from saved money only. I can only imagine all the people who are in situations like this or worse. What will happen to them?

I do not deny the pandemic by any accounts but I wonder how many people are saved compared to how many are sacrificed with the lockdown measures (mainly psychological troubles or domestic violence in different forms). I think this is just the tip of what is to come unfortunately. In that way I'm very lucky I'm in Sweden where I can still go train, go out etc. There are restrictions and recommendations but they seem sensible.

On the other hand I looked up some positive side effects and its remarkable at how pollution has been reduced in this past year. This would be an excellent time to try to stop it from getting back up to the same levels it was pre-corona. Do I think that will happen? Of course not, but the opportunity is there and we should seize it.
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:50 am 
 

Any problem like your Chicago friend's is squarely the fault of the government for not stepping in more. They fucking spent eight months in a row diddling around doing nothing last year when people were going broke, etc. That's what I am saying.

The psychological trouble of lockdown measures is bad but dying of COVID is also bad. People thinking there's a good solution here are deluding themselves. Fact is it's just been a shit year and the governmental incompetence and greed didn't help anybody.

I can still go outside too - most people can unless one's country enacted truly harsh lockdown measures. You just couldn't gather in big groups. I myself did find plenty of ways to go out and stay sane through it all.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:36 am 
 

I think it's perfectly normal to be angry at folks who responded to this crisis by adopting self-absorbed and self-defeating reactionary views about the pandemic, but agree that this anger is wildly misplaced. In societies as fundamentally reactionary and right-wing as the modern capitalist states and in the absence of any kind of effective or even half-assed attempt by governments to meet this public health crisis with measures that could actually have stemmed the tide and kept people from suffering disastrous personal economic fallout, we're seeing exactly what we should expect to see. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the state powers who refused to do what was necessary and have spent generations gulling their citizens with lunatic propaganda for the purpose of social control.
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:45 am 
 

I understand the anger at the real assholes who are anti-mask and actively flaunting rules out of spite. I just don't have time to be mad at every person who takes advantage of states reopening dining or whatever - I live in FL so it's pretty omnipresent here. I just don't think every single person going out to do stuff is some horrible person is all.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:05 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Any problem like your Chicago friend's is squarely the fault of the government for not stepping in more. They fucking spent eight months in a row diddling around doing nothing last year when people were going broke, etc. That's what I am saying.

The psychological trouble of lockdown measures is bad but dying of COVID is also bad. People thinking there's a good solution here are deluding themselves. Fact is it's just been a shit year and the governmental incompetence and greed didn't help anybody.

I can still go outside too - most people can unless one's country enacted truly harsh lockdown measures. You just couldn't gather in big groups. I myself did find plenty of ways to go out and stay sane through it all.


I'm also thinking of keeping fit, being in shape. I know several countries where they've basically closed gyms, martial arts schools and any sport activity that requires bodily contact. I'm just happy that's not the case where I'm at. Not sure what my mental status would be if I wouldn't be able to train with the people at my club.

I also work with teens and were doing distance tutoring (not full time but still) and we've seen worrying tendencies now that more and more of them get depressed and rarely even rise from bed during the day. Obviously this is not unavoidable - the students themselves could prevent this by being active and actually instil good routines in their lives. Still wonder what will happen to them once they get out of school. How it will effect their lives.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:26 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
I think it's perfectly normal to be angry at folks who responded to this crisis by adopting self-absorbed and self-defeating reactionary views about the pandemic, but agree that this anger is wildly misplaced. In societies as fundamentally reactionary and right-wing as the modern capitalist states and in the absence of any kind of effective or even half-assed attempt by governments to meet this public health crisis with measures that could actually have stemmed the tide and kept people from suffering disastrous personal economic fallout, we're seeing exactly what we should expect to see. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the state powers who refused to do what was necessary and have spent generations gulling their citizens with lunatic propaganda for the purpose of social control.


Can you fuck off with your commie bullshit? Do what normal people do, and get an education and skill, and contribute, rather than being a lazy self absorbed shit, expecting everything to be handed to you because you're too useless to contribute anything to society aside from tired repetitive rhetoric. Better yet, start your own blog, and post your backward political views there, where you and everyone who cares about your pigheaded bullshit - precisely nobody - can circle jerk each other on how enlightened you are.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:48 pm 
 

SaP: "It's understandable to be angry at folks who responded to the pandemic with extremely selfish and dangerous behaviors, but that's not really the main problem. The issue is with the way the government didn't even really bother trying to help people in any way, either financially or through healthcare. America has a completely broken system and the pandemic made that nakedly obvious because our elected officials more or less unanimously threw us to the wolves."

Terri: "Fuck off commie scum. Stupid welfare queen piece of shit parasite. I assume you do literally nothing but post all day and where I come from you're only allowed to be alive if you're making a wage. Die in a gutter you friendless shithead."

This has to win the award for both "Most innocuous Pockets post to send somebody into a rage" and "Most disproportionately mean spirited response to somebody saying the world should be better".
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:58 pm 
 

Terri23 wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
I think it's perfectly normal to be angry at folks who responded to this crisis by adopting self-absorbed and self-defeating reactionary views about the pandemic, but agree that this anger is wildly misplaced. In societies as fundamentally reactionary and right-wing as the modern capitalist states and in the absence of any kind of effective or even half-assed attempt by governments to meet this public health crisis with measures that could actually have stemmed the tide and kept people from suffering disastrous personal economic fallout, we're seeing exactly what we should expect to see. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the state powers who refused to do what was necessary and have spent generations gulling their citizens with lunatic propaganda for the purpose of social control.


Can you fuck off with your commie bullshit? Do what normal people do, and get an education and skill, and contribute, rather than being a lazy self absorbed shit, expecting everything to be handed to you because you're too useless to contribute anything to society aside from tired repetitive rhetoric. Better yet, start your own blog, and post your backward political views there, where you and everyone who cares about your pigheaded bullshit - precisely nobody - can circle jerk each other on how enlightened you are.


These ideas about "things being handed to people" are hard headed idiotic views only held by people too entrenched in generations of the world being skewed towards the rich. Utter nonsense and garbage. Working hard doesn't guarantee you shit and a lot of the things you know are probably rich people propaganda. I've been making money as a writer for almost a decade myself so I guess this idea of getting an education might not apply to everybody.

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I'm also thinking of keeping fit, being in shape. I know several countries where they've basically closed gyms, martial arts schools and any sport activity that requires bodily contact. I'm just happy that's not the case where I'm at. Not sure what my mental status would be if I wouldn't be able to train with the people at my club.

I also work with teens and were doing distance tutoring (not full time but still) and we've seen worrying tendencies now that more and more of them get depressed and rarely even rise from bed during the day. Obviously this is not unavoidable - the students themselves could prevent this by being active and actually instil good routines in their lives. Still wonder what will happen to them once they get out of school. How it will effect their lives.


What this has done to kids is gonna be a long haul. I think many kids have quite good mental states and ideas and will overcome how shitty the government and old people responses have been. I am something of an optimist on this.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:06 pm 
 

Terri23 wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
I think it's perfectly normal to be angry at folks who responded to this crisis by adopting self-absorbed and self-defeating reactionary views about the pandemic, but agree that this anger is wildly misplaced. In societies as fundamentally reactionary and right-wing as the modern capitalist states and in the absence of any kind of effective or even half-assed attempt by governments to meet this public health crisis with measures that could actually have stemmed the tide and kept people from suffering disastrous personal economic fallout, we're seeing exactly what we should expect to see. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the state powers who refused to do what was necessary and have spent generations gulling their citizens with lunatic propaganda for the purpose of social control.


Can you fuck off with your commie bullshit? Do what normal people do, and get an education and skill, and contribute, rather than being a lazy self absorbed shit, expecting everything to be handed to you because you're too useless to contribute anything to society aside from tired repetitive rhetoric. Better yet, start your own blog, and post your backward political views there, where you and everyone who cares about your pigheaded bullshit - precisely nobody - can circle jerk each other on how enlightened you are.


Might want to ease off that "I'm an asshole" pedal there, bud. Just do what normal people do and don't try to enact any sort of change despite the fact that earning an "education and skill" in America is an endeavour well beyond most folks due to the fact that it is prohibitively expensive. Maybe you should "fuck off" with your "I'm a moron" bullshit.

Also, Empyreal, I fully expect that most children below the age of 12 will probably suffer very little in terms of long term effects brought on by the pandemic. They're still young enough where their memory is pretty elastic and this certainly won't induce lifelong trauma like abuse would. Teenagers, however, might suffer more compounding effects. Still, I think the weight of the pandemic will lie most heavily on young adults and folks in their late 20s, early 30s. Our memories are no longer quite so elastic and we will remember and internalize the isolation for a very, very long time. We'll talk about it amongst ourselves for decades to come.
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Interesting study being done in the UK, now that we have some real data. It's showing that younger people are more likely to refuse the vaccine than older people, based on 40,000+ survey responses. Even mentally accepting that there will be some trolls in there, that's an odd thing to come out. I wonder how much of it is 'I don't trust the government'-itis, or 'I'm fine now, I don't need it'-ism.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:34 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
This has to win the award for both "Most innocuous Pockets post to send somebody into a rage" and "Most disproportionately mean spirited response to somebody saying the world should be better".


Yeah, even I agree with her on that.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:56 pm 
 

Yeah, Terri’s response was over the top. At most, S&P using a virus that wouldn’t have escaped its epicentre if not for Communist incompetence and coverups as an excuse to complain about capitalism, is worth a bit of a lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:16 am 
 

Some further good news from the COVID lockdowns; I'm glad that bigger firms are now taking the hint and abolishing mandatory commutes. At my place we've got a bit of an organised nagging session going to achieve the same thing. Since I do most of my work with people in the US / India, it seems utterly bizarre that I ever needed to commute to send emails / talk on a phone !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56510574
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Some government guidance here that has seemingly flown under the radar; I picked this up when asked the question by my wife, and when our GP was asked the question, they couldn't give an answer beyond 'well, we don't know - no-one tests on pregnant women'. I suppose we'll find out in a few months if there are any interesting side effects - hopefully not ! (I'm also assuming, that while they can't for liability reasons give iron-clad assurances, that the pharma giants making this stuff can do at least artificial impact modelling to make an educated guess.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-women-of-childbearing-age-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

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The vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy, so until more information is available, those who are pregnant should not routinely have this vaccine. Non-clinical evidence is required before any clinical studies in pregnancy can start, and before that, it is usual to not recommend routine vaccination during pregnancy... ...The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has recognised that the potential benefits of vaccination are particularly important for some pregnant women. This includes those who are at very high risk of catching the infection or those with clinical conditions that put them at high risk of suffering serious complications from COVID-19.

In these circumstances, you should discuss vaccination with your doctor or nurse, and you may feel that it is better to go ahead and receive the protection from the vaccine.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:39 am 
 

Methuen wrote:
Some further good news from the COVID lockdowns; I'm glad that bigger firms are now taking the hint and abolishing mandatory commutes. At my place we've got a bit of an organised nagging session going to achieve the same thing. Since I do most of my work with people in the US / India, it seems utterly bizarre that I ever needed to commute to send emails / talk on a phone !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56510574


The old guard of stubborn, old white man was never gonna seamlessly transition to letting their staff work remotely.

Guaranteed this is KILLING some of these old shrivs.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:18 am 
 

CoconutBackwards wrote:
Methuen wrote:
Some further good news from the COVID lockdowns; I'm glad that bigger firms are now taking the hint and abolishing mandatory commutes. At my place we've got a bit of an organised nagging session going to achieve the same thing. Since I do most of my work with people in the US / India, it seems utterly bizarre that I ever needed to commute to send emails / talk on a phone !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56510574


The old guard of stubborn, old white man was never gonna seamlessly transition to letting their staff work remotely.

Guaranteed this is KILLING some of these old shrivs.


You should see the wailing and gnashing of teeth it's causing in places built on hierarchy in every aspect of life, like Hyderabad and Tokyo - What I've absolutely found is that it's mostly the upper-mid to senior management types that don't like remote working; what they've realised of course is that it's hard to justify big pay packages in management if we're are all at home managing ourselves :D
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:03 am 
 

Yeah I never understood the aversion to remote work, particularly considering how much most large firms spend on real estate. It's one of those instances where stubborn principle somehow beats out the rational capitalistic option.

But the thing is, it's not always upper management who are against working from home. I work for a company with 50,000+ employees globally and the CEO says basically anyone can work from home permanently, but they need approval from their manager. For whatever reason, a lot of low level managers (mine among them) are the ones who are resisting remote work. I think there is an idea that they can't monitor you as well, but I don't see what the issue is if I'm getting my work completed as quickly and efficiently as I did while in the office.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:21 am 
 

The aversion to remote work is because having remote work allows for both more autonomy and independence on the part of the workers, thus disabling middle and upper management from taking advantage of said workers, and an ever so slight shift in power away from the landlord class since they have no one to fill up a building with.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:35 am 
 

ObservationSlave wrote:
For whatever reason, a lot of low level managers (mine among them) are the ones who are resisting remote work. I think there is an idea that they can't monitor you as well, but I don't see what the issue is if I'm getting my work completed as quickly and efficiently as I did while in the office.


I'm in a similar situation to you - I find the levels in italics are the ones that don't like remote work - basically it puts them out of a job, is my analysis - the next level up can absorb their oversight / responsibilities because they don't also have to absorb the day-to-day physical aspects. In my firm, they're also merging a lot of the more senior roles into one or two people with a couple of assistants; orders of magnitude cheaper, less complex, even more so with remote working.

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an ever so slight shift in power away from the landlord class since they have no one to fill up a building with.


I definitely wouldn't want to be in UK commercial property for the next while. There's going to be a lot of big, empty, very well configured buildings in London / towns that built up 'outsourced' workforces from London. Great time to be shopping for ex-corporate networking / home office gear, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:55 am 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/12/apple-and-google-block-nhs-covid-app-update-over-privacy-breaches

Getting your app blocked by Google because you managed to breach a privacy requirement. That's a bit.... Ironic ? :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:20 pm 
 

Delivery of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine across the EU has been halted because of 6 US cases of thrombosis that could be linked to the vaccine. How many people in the US have been vaccinated with J&J? 7,000,000. That's roughly one case per 1,17 million vaccinations. :ugh:

I don't know much about vaccines and the way they're developed, tested and monitored, so maybe I'm wrong, but this seems insane to me.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:29 pm 
 

They will do what they have to and it's good they're being careful. It just sucks that this news, like anything bad about the vaccines, will probably cause more paranoia and fuel for skeptics. But what can you do.
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I got my first shot last Saturday.

Anyone else get first or second shots yet?
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Getting my second Moderna one next Monday. Good stuff. This is one of the brighter things going on for people, the vaccinations.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:02 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
They will do what they have to and it's good they're being careful. It just sucks that this news, like anything bad about the vaccines, will probably cause more paranoia and fuel for skeptics. But what can you do.


Being careful is great, but halting the delivery because of 6 cases amongst 7 million seems counterproductive. Depending on the time lost the extra amount of covid deaths will outweight the harm caused by possible side-effects. And like you said, it will only increase the paranoia and skepticism. Let's hope this is resolved fast, with a clear answer.

My dad had his first AstraZeneca shot today, but he almost didn't go because of similarly super rare cases of thrombosis.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:20 pm 
 

I got the first dose of Pfizer on Saturday and felt fine after, aside from relatively minimal arm soreness. Looking forward to the second and hope the vaccine ends up being effective for a while. I'm very fortunate to live in a state that is near the top when it comes to vaccine administration, because I know it has been very difficult for many people to get an appointment.

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Empyreal wrote:
Getting my second Moderna one next Monday. Good stuff. This is one of the brighter things going on for people, the vaccinations.


I got the Pfizer, but it's not like I gave a shit.

I'm sick to hell of the mask and would love for some kind of end to this crap.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:25 pm 
 

You guys are doing great over there in the US with 22% fully vaccinated. :thumbsup:

In the meantime over here.... not even 5%.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:49 pm 
 

CoconutBackwards wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
Getting my second Moderna one next Monday. Good stuff. This is one of the brighter things going on for people, the vaccinations.


I got the Pfizer, but it's not like I gave a shit.

I'm sick to hell of the mask and would love for some kind of end to this crap.


I've thought about wearing one to help stave off getting sick in the future but it really is too annoying to do so once we won't have to anymore.
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The Falkland Islands are almost done vaccinating, and other outlying British colonies are doing similarly well. I’m starting to think Canada made a mistake in 1867.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:22 am 
 

I was scheduled to get the J&J shot tomorrow but my state has halted them. I knew when I saw it on the news this morning this would happen right before I was supposed to get it. I wasn't worried, I just wanted the fucking shot. I had covid back in December and was sick for a month, came very close to having to go to the hospital, I still have lingering issues, mainly fatigue. I don't want to get sick like that again. Thankfully, my provider got the Pfizer vaccine to replace and keep their shots going, so I am still on for my needle in the arm tomorrow. Just going to have to go back for a 2nd sometime in May.

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Australia, which has done so well in limiting the exposure of COVID-19 to the population, has absolutely fucked the vaccine rollout. We should have had something like 20% of the population vaccinated by now, and instead we're sitting at something like 1.5%.
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