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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:16 pm 
 

schizoid wrote:
Methuen wrote:
We had a builder visit yesterday to scope some repair work (I now have water coming through the bedroom ceiling via the chimney, yaaaay) - He had a mask on the whole time, a big bottle of hand sanitiser, gloves, boot-covers, the works.

Meanwhile in London, a lot of conspiracy wankers are staging protests about wearing masks.

I'm glad that practical people are being practical about the whole thing - if only we could shunt the crazies off to an island somewhere.


So the builder was wearing PPE to ensure the chimney doesn't get a nosocomial infection?


Ba dun dum *tish*. Get yer coat and leave :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:24 am 
 

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I've heard Quebec referred to as the "Texas of Canada" multiple times before.

This solidifies it for me.


Now now, that's Alberta.

Quebec is the other weirdly racist province. Let's call it the Boston of Canada.


It's weird because living in Montreal, you don't get that feeling. But as soon as you go out, seems like a different thing. Something that I never realized until a few years before.

I hate that law that basically targets Muslim women without targeting them; "no religious symbols" if you work for the State, including teachers, so many women (and I guess a few men) are forced to choose between their beliefs and their work. As much as I hate religions, I hate even more government discrimination, and that's exactly it, under the sweet veil of "secularism". There was no issue before they decided to make it one, and now they've forced everyone to take sides on a non-issue. And again, in Montreal, people generally oppose it, but once you go outside the support is overwhelming.

And to know that QAnon fuckers are here too... And Trumpists... and, like eloquently said by Trudeau, "les nonos avec les pattes de chien sur leurs t-shirts" ("the dummies with a dog's paw on their t-shirt", referring a racist right-wing group's symbol). It broke many illusions I had about the place I live.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:09 pm 
 

As an immigrant who has been living in Quebec for eleven years, I have never personally experienced any kind of racism except for the occasional lame joke about Nazis that Germans get to hear all around the world. It's the same thing for numerous other immigrants that I have met throughout these years. I have never lived in Montreal but in Chicoutimi, Sept-Îles and Gatineau and I have never had any problems. There are obviously racist people anywhere in the world and exceptional extreme cases from time to time but out of all places I have been to, Quebec is certainly the best place to live. Most importantly, the younger generation in Quebec is particularly open-minded, progressive and welcoming which is very promising for the future. I can identify much more with values in Quebec or in Canada than with values from any other country that I know. If that weren't the case, I would live someplace else, as simple as that.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:44 pm 
 

kluseba wrote:
As an immigrant who has been living in Quebec for eleven years, I have never personally experienced any kind of racism except for the occasional lame joke about Nazis that Germans get to hear all around the world. It's the same thing for numerous other immigrants that I have met throughout these years. I have never lived in Montreal but in Chicoutimi, Sept-Îles and Gatineau and I have never had any problems. There are obviously racist people anywhere in the world and exceptional extreme cases from time to time but out of all places I have been to, Quebec is certainly the best place to live. Most importantly, the younger generation in Quebec is particularly open-minded, progressive and welcoming which is very promising for the future. I can identify much more with values in Quebec or in Canada than with values from any other country that I know. If that weren't the case, I would live someplace else, as simple as that.


Dude, you're fucking German, not a person of colour. There isn't some epidemic of anti-German hate speech. You are a white European. What the fuck are you talking about? "I haven't personally experienced any form of racism in Quebec as a white German immigrant, and therefore regular old racism against immigrants of colour and people of colour in general doesn't exist lololol." Acting like Quebec doesn't have a serious problem with racism and xenophobia is like pretending my province of Alberta doesn't have both those problems and also a problem grasping reality about climate change.
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Calm down, dude. The way you write comes across as very angry and condescending. What do you know about being a German immigrant anyway? There are still some places in the world where Germans aren't respected due to what happened during World War II. Some friends of mine were refused to be served at a French restaurant only a few years ago because they are German, just to give you one specific example. A former student of mine of Polish origin once told me that her mother didn't want her to attend my German classes because she still considered it the enemy's language. Racism and prejudice isn't only limited to visible minorities, you know. I have always been welcomed with open arms and minds anyplace in Quebec and Canada. When I went to university, I had befriended plenty of African students who had never had any significant problems either. Same goes for the Chinese community at that university. When I say that I have never experienced any form of racism, then this includes my friends, colleagues and acquaintances as well. Plus, I have never claimed that there is no racism in Quebec and clearly stated that it exists everywhere around the world, so I'm not acting like or pretending anything. Racism must be fought and it's a continuous struggle for sure. But let me tell you that your perception of Quebec is certainly much more negative than mine and I have been living here for more than eleven years and counting. As for what's going on in Alberta, you should certainly know more than I do since you seem to be living there but you have to understand that the issue isn't that people aren't grasping the reality of climate change but that the province's oil industry is considered an extremely important part of the province's identity that cannot just be changed in a few years. Those changes need time and screaming bloody murder will only make matters worse.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:36 am 
 

I get the point, but for the sake of the sanity of all, please don't even try equate racism againts black people with the one you get. I've had my share of "Pizza, Mafia, Berlusconi" in the world but i wouldn't dare to compare to the one that african immigrants are getting (and i'm not talking about university students)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:20 am 
 

In CoronaNews - a mass-testing pilot in the UK, well, doesn't work :lol:

I'm glad we're trying, but not having decent second-line controls in place ? Idiots.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/operation-moonshot-rapid-covid-test-missed-over-50-of-cases-in-pilot

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Hopes rise for end of pandemic as Pfizer says vaccine is 90% effective

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-effective-pfizer-biontech

While this sounds definitely promising, we have to wait until the results have been peer reviewed and we know how the ninety percent are actually achieved.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:53 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
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Hopes rise for end of pandemic as Pfizer says vaccine is 90% effective

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-effective-pfizer-biontech

While this sounds definitely promising, we have to wait until the results have been peer reviewed and we know how the ninety percent are actually achieved.


It's also going to be a real pill and a half to distribute because it needs insane levels of refrigeration to maintain its viability.
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Well they are researching into whether the vaccine can survive for five days at normal refrigeration. And that should be good to cover initial demand, because you know it will be flying off the shelves. But yeah... needing to be kept at -70 for long-term storage is a pain in the ass.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:02 pm 
 

Nice to see some good news; hoping that something like that can be put infront of people before the virus mutates into something that the vaccine isn't targeted for (see also: Danish mink farm fun).

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Covid-19 is raging in my home state. We're shattering records for new cases by the day, and our governor's "aggressive" action is to... Reduce bar and restaurant capacity and hours.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:53 pm 
 

Methuen wrote:
Nice to see some good news; hoping that something like that can be put infront of people before the virus mutates into something that the vaccine isn't targeted for (see also: Danish mink farm fun).

I expect that we will have to be vaccinated at least once per year because the virus will inevitably mutate the critical sequences (that's just my super pessimistic prediction without looking at the actual data - I might be wrong).
I found out today about Danish mink farm in local news and I'm shocked. I'm not vegan and I wear leather, but wearing fur and consuming wild animals is over my boundary.

Trashy_Rambo wrote:
Covid-19 is raging in my home state. We're shattering records for new cases by the day, and our governor's "aggressive" action is to... Reduce bar and restaurant capacity and hours.
Same, apart our government only watches hospitals getting over their capacities as we speak. A doctor from the crisis response team said the next stage is a catastrophe.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:40 pm 
 

Well assuming vaccination is required every year, it'll be like flu. Guess the best strain, vaccinate the vulnerable in particular. That's a pattern that should be well known by now.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:20 pm 
 

Coronavirus seems to mutate much slower than seasonal flu

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Osore wrote:
Methuen wrote:
Nice to see some good news; hoping that something like that can be put infront of people before the virus mutates into something that the vaccine isn't targeted for (see also: Danish mink farm fun).

I expect that we will have to be vaccinated at least once per year because the virus will inevitably mutate the critical sequences (that's just my super pessimistic prediction without looking at the actual data - I might be wrong).


Yeah, fur farms are pretty gruesome. As far as I know, there's not even a utility reason for it - it's all for high fashion tossers.

Agreed the the regular vaccination expectation - might be time to pool together with some friends & see about buying shares in big pharma, they're going to have a great decade at this rate :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:40 am 
 

I found this slightly newer article on the topic very insightful, but not as much surprising:
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Researchers still have more questions than answers about coronavirus mutations, and no one has yet found any change in SARS-CoV-2 that should raise public-health concerns.
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Sequencing data suggest that coronaviruses change more slowly than most other RNA viruses, probably because of a ‘proofreading’ enzyme that corrects potentially fatal copying mistakes.
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Many mutations will have no consequence for the virus’s ability to spread or cause disease, because they do not alter the shape of a protein, whereas those mutations that do change proteins are more likely to harm the virus than improve it.
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At a time when nearly everyone on the planet is susceptible, there is likely to be little evolutionary pressure on the virus to spread better, so even potentially beneficial mutations might not flourish.
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It is a possibility, but by no means a certainty, that the virus will acquire mutations that change its susceptibility to antibodies and immunity.
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As population-wide immunity rises, whether through infection or vaccination, a steady trickle of immune-evading mutations could help SARS-CoV-2 to establish itself permanently, says Sheahan, potentially causing mostly mild symptoms when it infects individuals who have some residual immunity from a previous infection or vaccination. “I wouldn’t be surprised if this virus is maintained as a more common, cold-causing coronavirus.” But it’s also possible that our immune responses to coronavirus infections, including to SARS-CoV-2, aren’t strong or long-lived enough to generate selection pressure that leads to significantly altered virus strains. Worrisome mutations could also become more common if antibody therapies aren’t used wisely — if people with COVID-19 receive one antibody, which could be thwarted by a single viral mutation, for example. Cocktails of monoclonal antibodies, each of which can recognize multiple regions of the spike protein, might lessen the odds that such a mutation will be favoured through natural selection, researchers say. Vaccines arouse less concern on this score because, like the body’s natural immune response, they tend to elicit a range of antibodies.
It’s even possible that the D614G change could make the virus an easier target for vaccines.
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As a scientist who has watched HIV mutate to elude many vaccines developed against it, he remains wary of the potential of SARS-CoV-2 to evade humanity’s responses. Luban agrees: “We need to keep our eyes open for additional changes.''


Methuen wrote:
Agreed the the regular vaccination expectation - might be time to pool together with some friends & see about buying shares in big pharma, they're going to have a great decade at this rate :lol:
This is exactly what I've been thinking, they struck a gold mine. :-D

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:53 pm 
 

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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19 relative to controls


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.20.20215863v1.full.pdf

What had been the case in terms of the Spanish pandemic is true of COVID-19:

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Persistent fatigue following SARS-CoV-2 infection is common and independent of severity of initial infection


https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0240784

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Impaired spermatogenesis in COVID-19 patients


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30348-5/fulltext

you can basically go on and on and on with this stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:40 pm 
 

So much for "only as dangerous as the flu".
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:50 pm 
 

Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
So much for "only as dangerous as the flu".

The flu and this coronavirus have one important difference, at least for now, there is basically one strain of the virus that is pretty stable and does not differ very much from other ones. This might change once the pandemic has "ended" and the human organism has adapted to this virus. No, do not be scared by what happened in Denmark. Not much to worry as of now.
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oneyoudontknow wrote:
No, do not be scared by what happened in Denmark. Not much to worry as of now.


I hope this ages better than the first page of this thread.

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jimbies wrote:
oneyoudontknow wrote:
No, do not be scared by what happened in Denmark. Not much to worry as of now.


I hope this ages better than the first page of this thread.


It already has.
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jimbies wrote:
oneyoudontknow wrote:
No, do not be scared by what happened in Denmark. Not much to worry as of now.


I hope this ages better than the first page of this thread.


This is why the normal name calling that goes on around here is so unnecessary. It sure as hell doesn't look good in hindsight.
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Covid is able to pass through the blood brain barrier, which means:

-High chance of neurological damage even after recovery
-Serious debilitation of the entire immunologic system and high chance of persistent weakness, even after recovery
-Extremely high difficulty on creating a medicine with the same ability to go thru the BR AND not fuck up everything inside.
-People who were able to develop natural antibodies against one exposure and infection, those won't work on subsequent infections, as it has been proven to death.

The fact that Covid has developed new strains in such short time, means that no medicine will be ever totally safe and given the aforementioned things, develop different vaccines for different strains will be hard.

People should be scared as hell but at least on US, "muh freedom" is stronger than the will to live, I guess. Our current way to live is just totally perfect for these kind of epidemic to fuck us up with speed and might.

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EldritchSun wrote:
"muh freedom" is stronger than the will to live


Live free or die hard and die from COVID.

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EldritchSun wrote:
The fact that Covid has developed new strains in such short time, means that no medicine will be ever totally safe and given the aforementioned things, develop different vaccines for different strains will be hard.

Actually, not. Influenca is much more aggressive, when it comes to change and mutation. Covid-19 is still rather stable; which has to do with the fact that only a small proportion of people have been infected or affected by it, which means that immunity to this virus is rather low; the opposite is true in terms of influenca. That is why you need new influenca shots every year and it is not always clear on whether the vaccines will work with the virus that will be spread during the winter time. What you can hear from German virologists though, matters might change once we have a vaccine ...
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Welp, my boss just got exposed to COVID-19, so I'm not going to be working for the foreseeable future. No great loss, because I haven't worked on a regular basis for about two months now.
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Well shit. Just got informed of a potential exposure this morning. It happened yesterday so I'm going to hold off on testing until Tuesday to minimize the chance of a false negative, but looks like I'll be twiddling my thumbs at home until Dec 11. Fuck fuck fuck. There are important irons in the fire right now and this is bloody hindering awkward.
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The part of Australia where I live has now hit "triple donuts" - no deaths, no new cases, no active cases in the community, and there hasn't been a new case for over a month. Considering that in August we were reporting 700 new cases a day (in a population of 6 million), it shows that this can be beaten, but the process is extremely unpleasant. We had over 100 days of stage 4 lockdown, which meant mandatory mask wearing if leaving the house, all non essential businesses closed, mandatory working from home if possible, only leaving the house for an hour a day and not being able to move more than 5km from home, not being able to meet in groups larger than 2 people if outdoors and masked up. They were serious about it too, heavy duty fines for non compliance, police patrolling the streets and making traffic stops.

Sadly one of the legacies of this, other than the massive economic damage, is that we now have a large and vocal QANON-influenced group of anti government lunatics who will take quite some time to return to reality.
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When the virus was first happening in the US and everything shut down in March, someone I used to associate with on Facebook was railing against the idea of shut downs, saying everything needed to stay open and people should get over it. I responded that shutdowns were, at the time, the best way of containing the virus (still are, but the US is not gonna shut down again at this point bar something massive like the Super Bowl getting canceled the day of due to Covid exposure), and that the people of Europe and Australia, despite some grumpiness over being stuck in their homes all day, were okay with the shutdowns because they knew it'd at least be better than letting everything run normally. This guy, for real, said in return that the people of Europe and Australia were naturally more inclined to submit to their government, and that Americans are just too free willed and independent to do such a thing. In hindsight, I think that's the moment I realized that this country was gonna go down the shitter and not recover, and I was 100% correct. The US is in the shitter and is not gonna recover from this pandemic. Even when a vaccine comes it seems like it'll be a monumental task trying to get a sizable chunk of the population to get it.
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Subrick wrote:
This guy, for real, said in return that the people of Europe and Australia were naturally more inclined to submit to their government, and that Americans are just too free willed and independent to do such a thing.

There is some truth to that, but it's mostly because governments in European countries tend to have more power than the US's. The countries are also smaller, like no bigger than one of our larger states, so they're in a much better position to contain the virus spread. I believe the Czech Republic has started allowing outdoor live concerts again.

Sometimes I really envy our friends across the Atlantic.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:36 am 
 

Potentially also because those governments really are more trustworthy, or at least more inclined to follow scientific advice. I think the effect is even more pronounced here in New Zealand because the most common NZ personality is quite a subdued one. Perhaps louder and outgoing NZers are more inclined to move to Australia because they get along well over there, haha.

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My boss has both of her children home again now, after schools were closed because of COVID exposure. This is both fun for here (suprise, deal with them !) and fun for them (surprise ! weeks of disruption to your learning ahoy !)

Slightly wry aside - many primary schools are currently recording lots of non-COVID winter illnesses; they're old buildings, with no air conditioning / air cyclers, so they're leaving the big Victorian windows open. Lots of cold air and damp in halls full of children. :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:36 am 
 

I'm not sure that 'lolfirst' is the right attitude here, but one of the many regulators in the UK has pressed go on COVID vaccination in December.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-02/u-k-officials-seek-to-reassure-public-over-coronavirus-vaccine?srnd=premium-europe

Call me a cynic, but already having to reassure people that it's safe, despite the rush, and with Labour politicians already warming up their 'here are your papers, do not lose them citizen' routines - I'm not sure this will be as smooth as they're hoping in London.

Happy to be proven wrong, of course - I'm not going to be a priority case by any stretch of the imagination, so will have a long wait.

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The lockdown continues. It was extended twice because it isn't working, the logic of German politicians. It continues to target all areas that do very little to drive infection (small businesses) and it continues to not target all areas that do most to drive infections (large warehouses and manufacturing/processing plants of big corporations) and by doing so will continue to have no real effect whatsoever. Which is probably why it'll keep being extended repeatedly. Until a politicians decides to tell billionaires they might have to hold off on their third private jet for a few months (likelihood near zero) a vaccine is the only hope and people will continue to die needlessly until it's fully rolled out.

Clemens Tönnies, the billionaire who once said the solution to climate change is to stop Africans from making babies, who killed hundreds of people by now by negligence in the by now three large Covid-19 outbreaks in three of his meat processing plants, he'll just go on about his business. Bars and restaurants that have gone out of their way to protect their customers and by vast majority have no known infection traced to them, they can all go bankrupt and lose their entire livelihood.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:19 pm 
 

Do not tell me that you are surprised that the lockdown is not working in Germany.

And interestingly enough, the virus will stop be so harmful once Christmas is there. Then ten people from ten different families are allowed to meet. Wonderful times.

Somehow I think that despite all the booze that I have here, it is still not enough to get me over the end of the next months. Maybe I should not sip it, but gulp it down in the amount of buckets.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:28 pm 
 

Maybe I could be surprised if it wasn't an exact repeat of the rent brake. "It has no positive effect whatsoever so we gotta keep extending it because it might randomly start working for no reason some day."
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:36 am 
 

Pfizer vaccine is being deployed in the UK.

News headlines this morning ? Don't get the Pfizer vaccine if you have strong environmental, medical, or food allergies. It's already triggered anaphylactic shock in a few people.

Brilliant result, guys - that kind of problem won't dent public confidence (and legitimise the antis) at alllllll

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:40 am 
 

It's kind of unrealistic to expect any vaccine—much less one developed under extreme time pressures—to be universally safe. None of our existing vaccines for other diseases are without similar risks, which is why herd immunity is so important.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:55 pm 
 

It's not unusual for vaccines - even ones as common as the flu vaccine - to provoke allergic reactions in some circumstances. This is something that was already noted in the Pfizer trials. The trials reported one possible allergic reaction per thousand people immunised that may have been related to the jab.

After already thousands of inoculations, two people in the UK had a reaction and have already recovered from it. They did not go into anaphylactic shock (anaphylaxis); they had an anaphylactoid reaction (which is far less severe) and typically involves symptoms like a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. Both individuals reportedly had a history of serious allergies and carried adrenaline pens around with them.

No doubt that the media headlines will still enable the anti-vaxxers even more, but it is important that the health professionals and vaccine developers are transparent about this. The vaccine, like any medical treatment, isn't without its side-effects, but so far it appears relatively safe. We can only trust that it is safe if everyone is open about it.
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