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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:25 am 
 

https://www.nme.com/news/music/deftones ... no-2734234

'Deftones have released the first single and title track from their long-awaited new album ‘Ohms’.'

''Details of the Sacremento alt-metal band’s ninth album emerged yesterday, having teased fans with mysterious social media posts and billboards in the US. Now we know that ‘Ohms’, the follow-up to 2016’s ‘Gore’, will arrive on September 25. The record was produced by Terry Date, who previously worked with the band on their classic albums ‘Around The Fur’, ‘White Pony’ and self-titled, as well as the unreleased ‘Eros’ which saw sessions pulled following a car crash involving bassist Chi Cheng.'



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'Genesis' 5:17
'Ceremony' 3:27
'Urantia' 4:30
'Errorr' 4:50
'The Spell of Mathematics' 5:27
'Pompeji' 5:25
'This Link Is Dead' 4:37
'Radiant City' 3:35
'Headless' 4:59
'Ohms' 4:10


This album has been hinted towards for a while and it's finally here! Deftones are certainly a personal favourite band of mine; I love just about everything they've ever released, and if this new song reflects the quality of the rest of the album, they'll have another winner on their hands. I do like that the main riff to this song is a fair bit busier and choppier than much of what they've done in the past, the chorus is great, and the drumming is some of the best of any Deftones track; it all comes together into a harmonious, euphoric whole. Re-uniting with Terry Date after over a decade seems to have done wonders for their sound too; everything is mixed well and it all sounds great (the drums and guitars in particular, I love the way that the guitars sound so bold and cut through the mix like that.) It also appears based on the stated tracklist that this will be the closer to the album; if so it's certainly the most succinct and energetic closer to any Deftones album to date as usually they reserve a more drawn out and/or reflective song for the finale. Shame we have to wait a month for the whole thing though.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:47 pm 
 

Can't wait! I too really enjoy their work, and the new song is no exception. Chino still delivering one hell of a vocal performance there :hyper:
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:02 pm 
 

I am very much looking forward to this. I believe they have their own unique style, despite most people labeling them Nu Metal. I absolutely will be a first day buyer.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:32 pm 
 

If nu metal is all about taking a diverse array of influences and blending them together with heavy, distorted riffing to create something entirely new and distinct, then Deftones do so whilst blending a lot of influences that not a lot of their contemporaries do - post-hardcore, noise rock, shoegaze, trip hop, alt rock, space rock, post-metal etc. - and such they reside on their own stylistic island in the genre.

And yeah, Chino's vocals are still very strong here, both during the hook and the verses.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:43 pm 
 

Finally!! They've been talking about this for months, this makes my week. Holy shit the visuals are outstanding. Cyberpunk Deftones??

Not sure on this track though. Chino still has it, but the song.. it's pretty lackluster to be fair. They just strum along in their comfort zone which was the big mistake they did in Gore which should have been called Bore, because it was so fucking boring.

Definitely picking up a copy as I love Deftones but please break some boundaries this time, I wanna hear self-titled LP style Deftones again not another Bore.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:31 pm 
 

Hmm, I don't know. This song does reside in that specific sound for them, yes, but I think it still sounds pretty distinct from much of what came before it. I can't think of a previous album this track would really fit on, truly and honestly. *Maybe* the self-titled if anything, but even then that's a stretch. I also think Gore was them trying something new too; again, it sounds pretty distinct to basically everything they'd done prior while still operating in a somewhat similar stylistic realm and having that identity that every Deftones album has.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:54 am 
 

Pretty good song. One of the riffs reminds me of something else but I can't think what. These guys never put out a bad album, and I expect this will be no different.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:59 am 
 

New song is great and the video is even better. Really looking forward to this.

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That sounded so early 2000s. It was nice but put me up for preferring their darker / atmospheric side. I don't doubt this'll have some of that since they cover so many genres and pack them in well. They're not going to break their streak now since they've been on a roll for over a decade.
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Yeah the band typically have a mix across each album, the whole thing won't be like that song.

Also interesting you say that; Deftones are one of the few bands of their era that don't sound dated to the late '90s or early '00s to my ears, the reason for that being that no band of the time sported a sound like theirs so it's not one I really attach to the time period it came out of. I also can't think of any second/third/tenth string bands that really latched onto and imitated their sound like numerous bands did with Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, etc.

To my mind, 'Back to School' is the one song of theirs that truly sounds dated, and all because they totally abdicated the style they were known for in favour of a really trendy rap rock sound that was stale just a few years later.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:48 pm 
 

Don't get me wrong, what I said had a bit of endearment to it. The song reminded me of old Muse, Thrice, and Cave In (on Antenna). Something about the alternative-isms put me in that mind frame. I'm not talking nu-metal cause those moments are few and far between and is one of the least things this band should be labeled as.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:22 pm 
 

Aaaah gotcha, that makes a bit more sense. And yeah, the nu metal label was more a 'wrong place, wrong time' sort of thing, though I do see many people affix the 'alternative metal' label onto them which is arguably even more vague but is still a better fit for them.
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Napalm_Satan wrote:
Yeah the band typically have a mix across each album, the whole thing won't be like that song.

Also interesting you say that; Deftones are one of the few bands of their era that don't sound dated to the late '90s or early '00s to my ears, the reason for that being that no band of the time sported a sound like theirs so it's not one I really attach to the time period it came out of. I also can't think of any second/third/tenth string bands that really latched onto and imitated their sound like numerous bands did with Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, etc.

To my mind, 'Back to School' is the one song of theirs that truly sounds dated, and all because they totally abdicated the style they were known for in favour of a really trendy rap rock sound that was stale just a few years later.

The new Loathe album is Deftones worship and it's great.




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:46 pm 
 

I hope it has one of those songs where the singer whispers, then he screams.
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Napalm_Satan wrote:
To my mind, 'Back to School' is the one song of theirs that truly sounds dated, and all because they totally abdicated the style they were known for in favour of a really trendy rap rock sound that was stale just a few years later.


Wrong, song goes hard af

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:16 pm 
 

I'd rather not rant about that song (if Deftones were ever on the archives for whatever reason I'd save it for a review, hehe); I'll just say it's artistically bankrupt in every sense of the word and it's not even entertaining for the most part.

I've sampled a few tracks from that Loathe album and yeah, that's a curious blend. They've basically taken a more modern metalcore formula and tempered it at points with those smooth sections that are very much Deftones worship. Not bad.
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I honestly dig the song. Interested to hear the rest of the album.
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Deftones is without a doubt one of my all time favorite bands. I dig the new track a lot, it doesn’t blow me away, though I always appreciate their singles more in the context of the album as a whole, so I’m sure it’ll grow on me. Deftones is one of the most consistent bands out there and I trust them more than nearly every band out there to deliver quality stuff. Strange for them to release the closer track first, but I guess it’s a trend I’ve seen with a lot of bands recently. I genuinely love every album they’ve released maybe with the exception of Adrenaline. I particularly love the stretch of albums from White Pony to Koi No Yokan, and I’ve really appreciate the trajectory the band has been on since Saturday Night Wrist onwards. Gore was a bit of a step back, but it still had some songs I really liked like Acid Hologram and Hearts/Wires. I’m positive I’ll enjoy the new album as I do every Deftones release. Without getting too ahead of myself, I’ve got a gut feeling that this new album is going to be something special from them. They seem to get a reinvigorated spirit at the turn of every new decade (case in point White Pony in 2000 and Diamond Eyes in 2010)
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TheLoneForest wrote:
Napalm_Satan wrote:
To my mind, 'Back to School' is the one song of theirs that truly sounds dated, and all because they totally abdicated the style they were known for in favour of a really trendy rap rock sound that was stale just a few years later.


Wrong, song goes hard af

I agree that Back to School is very awkward. It showcases exactly why Deftones aren't like the other nu-metal bands, and shouldn't try to be. Their sound, by White Pony, is too deeply brooding and emotionally delicate to be appropriated into cheap jumpdafukup shit. Pink Maggit is how they do that song right.
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People seem to forget Back to School isn't a real song, just a decontextualised fragment of Pink Maggit with a rap part added. Their label obviously made them do it and the band has always regretted it.

Moreno stated in an interview with German rock magazine Visions:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:22 am 
 

Yes to all of that, those are all reasons I dislike the song so much. Bad on its own, worse with context applied, and now a permanent stain on what is otherwise a perfect album it has no business being on.

Since someone brought Gore up earlier, I am glad this song is better mixed and less compressed than that album was, as said production issues did hold it back just a bit.
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Gravetemplar wrote:
People seem to forget Back to School isn't a real song, just a decontextualised fragment of Pink Maggit with a rap part added. Their label obviously made them do it and the band has always regretted it.

Moreno stated in an interview with German rock magazine Visions:

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"'Back to School' was a mistake. A calculated song, that had been built up with only one aim in mind: It should be a single. ... 'Back to School' was released because I was an idiot. I wanted to prove something [to the record company]. Months later, after White Pony was released, they wanted us to do a new version of "Pink Maggit". They said we lost our heaviness, and there were no more singles on the album. First, I wanted to stick this idea up my ass, but then I thought: 'I'm gonna show those fuckers how easy it is to create a hit-single.' And so I rapped a hip hop part on that song, we shortened it and half an hour later, the hit-single was ready to roll on."

White Pony starts with Feiticeira.

I mean, I prefer the full Pink Maggit version, since the Back to School version omits the intro and outro and isn't as jumpdafuckup.
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Yes, the best thing about 'Back to School' are the bits lifted from the original song, and even they don't sound quite right compared to the original as the vocal melodies were altered.

Wikipedia has been updated with track lengths for all of the other songs, but I can't find any source confirming them.
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Napalm_Satan wrote:
Yes, the best thing about 'Back to School' are the bits lifted from the original song, and even they don't sound quite right compared to the original as the vocal melodies were altered.

Wikipedia has been updated with track lengths for all of the other songs, but I can't find any source confirming them.

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Thank you; edited the OP.
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So apparently the word on the street is that Genesis, the album opener, is going to be the next single. Apparently it’s a heavy one.
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I've enjoyed this band's entire body of work for years. I like the single and I am looking forward to the full album. Deftones are consistent with that quality.
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I feel like I’m about to go on a Deftones binge.

I have now reached the right frame of mind for them.

I’ve always liked them, but for some reason after I finish my binge I forget about them/don’t want to hear about them till the next binge which is probably five years later.
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I absolutely love Deftones. Not a huge fan of the single. And as for Back to School goes, Pink Maggit obviously works much better as a song in the context of the album, but Back to School is a fun bit of nu metal, so I enjoy it for what it is: a different look at a song they already wrote for the album. Saturday Night Wrist will probably always be my favourite album, but of course White Pony is a classic and has some of their best songs and Diamond Eyes is probably my favourite "new" (as in, came out after I graduated high school :lol:) Deftones album, at this point already a decade old... Jesus Christ.

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Sathanas_BM wrote:
So apparently the word on the street is that Genesis, the album opener, is going to be the next single. Apparently it’s a heavy one.


You were correct about that being the next single, this Instagram post from the band says it'll be out on the 18th.
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And here it is!

And indeed, it is a much heavier song than the title track. I would say as far as their openers go it's probably the heaviest they've ever written, 'Hexagram' aside, and I love that huge crushing groove they work into the verses. The vocals are as strong as I'd expect, including the screamed verses and a cleanly sung hook that pops much like basically any hook they've written. The whole song flows so smoothly on top of that groove too, it's effortless and slick in its delivery and I love that. Of course Terry Date's production is still doing wonders for the band's sound, the whole arrangement sounds great here, the guitar textures especially. I didn't expect the song to mellow out half way through and then carry on like that right until the end, I thought it would be heavy the whole way through with maybe a short contrasting bridge, and it was a nice touch to do what they did here instead. This is a great track and my hopes are still high for the album, which is coming in a week!

Oh and I think this song coming out after Gore shows that they are entirely capable of bringing the heaviness; certainly, opening your following album with a bang this big is a good way to signal that.

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utterly baffled at the emotionally gripping 'Genesis'..
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It's already leaked and it's great. Much much better than Gore.

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It's already leaked and it's great. Much much better than Gore.

Rather wait for the album to officially drop tomorrow than to listen to a leak. Better not to spoil myself.
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I listened to it twice so far.

I'm not the biggest Deftones fan around, but this is probably the album I've enjoyed the most since Saturday Night Wrist. I have no idea which albums of their are considered the better ones, but I did enjoy that one back in 2006.

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A good new album. For the moment I've listened to it for a couple of times and it definitely sounds in their trademark style and probably is better than any their work of the 2010s. Actually, I've always appreciated more their first three albums, so, if the new one is decent, it's already a match for the later ones, thus it fits my expectations. The title composition sounds especially good.

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Well it's officially out on streaming now, here at least. I'm only on 'The Link Is Dead' so I'll come back with actual first impressions once I'm done but so far this is shaping up to be a great album.

EDIT: Finished listening and my first impression is that yeah, that was a pretty great album. I wouldn't say they significantly changed things up here; I'd say this album reminds me of Diamond Eyes more than anything as it's a pretty trim distillation of what their sound is, but the performances and songwriting and production are so on point that they continue to do their sound justice. The production as stated is some of the best they've ever had; the whole thing sounds so much more expansive and texturally rich than much of anything they've done before. I think this feeling even starts to translate in the songwriting and how the band sound as a whole; with the entire album moving and flowing in a more fluid fashion than much of what they've done before, and again the whole feeling of the album being so much more loose and expansive than before. The riffs again, while mostly not out of the ordinary for them, sound so good and are packaged into some really great tracks, with the band even working in some more Tool-esque noodly/flashy guitarwork at points. The vocals are still great too, of course - mixed a bit better than they were on Gore with clean singing and screams that sound as strong as they have for a while.
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Napalm_Satan wrote:
Well it's officially out on streaming now, here at least. I'm only on 'The Link Is Dead' so I'll come back with actual first impressions once I'm done but so far this is shaping up to be a great album.

EDIT: Finished listening and my first impression is that yeah, that was a pretty great album. I wouldn't say they significantly changed things up here; I'd say this album reminds me of Diamond Eyes more than anything as it's a pretty trim distillation of what their sound is, but the performances and songwriting and production are so on point that they continue to do their sound justice. The production as stated is some of the best they've ever had; the whole thing sounds so much more expansive and texturally rich than much of anything they've done before. I think this feeling even starts to translate in the songwriting and how the band sound as a whole; with the entire album moving and flowing in a more fluid fashion than much of what they've done before, and again the whole feeling of the album being so much more loose and expansive than before. The riffs again, while mostly not out of the ordinary for them, sound so good and are packaged into some really great tracks, with the band even working in some more Tool-esque noodly/flashy guitarwork at points. The vocals are still great too, of course - mixed a bit better than they were on Gore with clean singing and screams that sound as strong as they have for a while.

I have the same opinions as you. Loved the album, and I'd say it's on the higher list in their best albums list.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:18 am 
 

Listened to the new album today. I'm not the most die-hard Deftones fan but I honestly wasn't blown way by Ohms--it is super-solid for sure, but I find it lacking in a few aspects.

I'm a huge fan of the more mellow, shoegazey Deftones tracks (think Beauty School, Entombed, Digital Bath), and there wasn't anything like that on this album (closest might've been Pompeji, mostly the outro). As a result this album feels less dynamically interesting than their other albums. Koi No Yokan might be my favorite Deftones album for that reason--they flirt a bit with some more proggy songwriting, there are a couple of the aforementioned shoegaze tracks, and it has some more heavy/riff-focused tracks. Ohms is definitely a good, solid album, but feels a bit samey upon first listen.

Still, good to see that Deftones once again prove themselves to be possibly the most consistent band in alternative/metal/hard rock/whatever working today, and the production of course sounds fantastic.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:00 am 
 

Error is a much better single than Genesis IMO much catchier riff, more dreamy part towards the end, and it just seems stronger on par with Ohm in my opinion. I think the second half to middle part of the album holds up much better than Gore did and makes it just stronger overall, Urantia to Radiant City are all unique and strong songs. Which is funny because the first two songs on Gore blow away Genesis and Ohms, Prayers and Triangles and Acid holograms all have strong vocal performances from Chino but the middle of the album isn't as good as Ohms. I'd rank this overall above Gore with some nice spacey bits and subdued vocals.
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