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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:36 pm 
 

Goblin saying "Antiracist theory espoused by BLM is racist" isn't what makes him racist, literally writing "scientific racism" in the affirmative does. Why anyone would even want to acknowledge this asshole after writing that is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:46 pm 
 

Eh, good exercise ;). And yeah, scientists have a long history of being blatantly racist, which often tarnishes their overall goal of trying to understand the natural world. And that's even looking past pseudo-scientific garbage like "scientific racism".

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:38 am 
 

Acidgobblin wrote:

Here is a list of a few things that the left tend to cancel/attack/silence people for. List is incomplete and some things are of higher virulence than others.

1-9. A series of misleadingly framed Sealion "positions" that taken individually or in totality can only mean an allegiance to far right politics.


Fixed it for you, bruh.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:50 pm 
 

Kaepernick shirt was attack dogs' target at Navy Seal event
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53636098

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:36 am 
 

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4. Data does not support the idea that American cops are racist and killing black people for their race. Its certainly clear that George Floyd was brutally killed by an evil man, but its not clear that his race was the catalyst for this or even to what degree race can be implicated. Its important to understand what actually happened but this gets spun into the proponent being a 'white supremacist', even if the proponent isn't white.


It's always wild that righties just say there's no data on things when there's such a massive body of data WITH actual analysis of said data to the contrary every single time.
Take this for instance, the largest ever study of racial profiling where we learn that the likelihood of a black driver being pulled over decreases after sunset when, you guessed it, it becomes harder to determine the race of the driver before the officer has pulled them over. And yet once they've been pulled over black and hispanic people are still more likely to have their vehicle searched. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:46 am 
 

Gameofmetal wrote:
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4. Data does not support the idea that American cops are racist and killing black people for their race. Its certainly clear that George Floyd was brutally killed by an evil man, but its not clear that his race was the catalyst for this or even to what degree race can be implicated. Its important to understand what actually happened but this gets spun into the proponent being a 'white supremacist', even if the proponent isn't white.


It's always wild that righties just say there's no data on things when there's such a massive body of data WITH actual analysis of said data to the contrary every single time.
Take this for instance, the largest ever study of racial profiling where we learn that the likelihood of a black driver being pulled over decreases after sunset when, you guessed it, it becomes harder to determine the race of the driver before the officer has pulled them over. And yet once they've been pulled over black and hispanic people are still more likely to have their vehicle searched. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1


I remember a study, but can't find it right now, showing that black drivers were more likely to be stopped than white drivers for not wearing a seatbelt, but when they looked at drivers with surveillance cameras, they noticed white drivers were as likely to not wear their seatbelts. Somehow, they were not pulled over for it nearly as often.

The moral of the story: wear your goddamn seatbelt, people!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:20 pm 
 

In this day and age it amazes me there are people that do not wear their seatbelt.

Just a personal experience, well my friends experience. He is a Department of Defense police officer and also an African American. He had just gotten off of work and was in the middle of a group of other cars. Every single one of them were speeding. The entire group went by a police officer and the police officer pulled over just my friend. The police officer came up to the car and asked him does he know how fast he was going? The entire routine and he told him that he would have to give him a ticket. My friend showed him his DOD badge and he told me the police officer just said ok and let him go. This is not the first time something like this has happened to him. There is a bias, even if people choose not to believe that there is.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:49 am 
 

There definitely is a bias (statistics and studies are really clear on that), which then results in elevated levels of PoC being recorded as breaking the law because police are paying more attention to PoC due to that bias, which feeds the impression that PoC are more likely to break the law, which then further reinforces the bias.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:58 am 
 

Guess you can consider it a success for Acidgoblin that people even talk about this as if it isn't common knowledge.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:15 am 
 

AddWittyUsername wrote:
There definitely is a bias (statistics and studies are really clear on that), which then results in elevated levels of PoC being recorded as breaking the law because police are paying more attention to PoC due to that bias, which feeds the impression that PoC are more likely to break the law, which then further reinforces the bias.

Also when it comes to jury composition/bias, access to public defenders, access to mental healthcare, at basically every level where law enforcement plays a role. John Oliver went into that in the latest LWT.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:39 am 
 

So two more police shootings of black men happened within days of each other. The first one was in Louisiana on Friday the 21st, where police shot and killed Trayford Pellerin, who they say was armed with a knife.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/22/us/trayf ... index.html

The second one, and the one that's sparking another wave of protests, happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Sunday. A man named Jacob Blake was attempting to break up a fight, the cops got called, and one of the cops shot him seven times in the back while Blake's back was turned to him, as Blake was attempting to get back into his car. His kids were in the backseat and saw the whole thing. It was just announced today that Blake is now a paraplegic from the shooting.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/us/jacob ... index.html
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:35 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
So two more police shootings of black men happened within days of each other. The first one was in Louisiana on Friday the 21st, where police shot and killed Trayford Pellerin, who they say was armed with a knife.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/22/us/trayf ... index.html

The second one, and the one that's sparking another wave of protests, happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Sunday. A man named Jacob Blake was attempting to break up a fight, the cops got called, and one of the cops shot him seven times in the back while Blake's back was turned to him, as Blake was attempting to get back into his car. His kids were in the backseat and saw the whole thing. It was just announced today that Blake is now a paraplegic from the shooting.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/us/jacob ... index.html


CNN would leave out a big part of this story. Is that the only news source you use? That's as bad as someone who only watches Fox. USAToday and the Chicago Tribune both mention the warrant. Wonder why CNN chooses not to? :violin:

If you interact with the police and there's a warrant for your arrest, you don't get to go home. :o

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Court records show Blake has a pending criminal case that started last month. Online court records indicate Kenosha County prosecutors charged Blake on July 6 with third-degree sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct in connection with domestic abuse. An arrest warrant was issued for Blake the following day.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/evanston/ct-evr-jacob-blake-kenosha-police-shooting-evanston-tl-0827-20200824-h63o7uquo5esnf7lnv23njzrx4-story.html

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:37 pm 
 

Weird, because that says, "arrest warrant," not, "death warrant." Seems like the police in Kenosha aren't so good at the reading.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:55 pm 
 

Yeah, I'm sick of people using arrest warrants as a justification for shooting someone seven times. In the back. If you shoot someone in the back (at very clsoe range), it means he was unlikely a threat. What he did before is irrelevant. Especially since, from what I gathered, the cops weren't there looking for him and might not even have known about the warrant.

Also, let's not forget... a warrant doesn't mean guilt.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:03 pm 
 

Yeah, I gotta say, that killing totally justified the perspective that the cops are just another gang. The way that police officer shot him was straight out of a fucking mob film, not something you'd see on Cops.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:14 pm 
 

I love how that shithead started blathering to me in the politics thread about how he used to run with anarchist collectives AFTER he posted that bootlicking bullshit. Methinks he has no clue what anarchism actually is.
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Subrick wrote:
I love how that shithead started blathering to me in the politics thread about how he used to run with anarchist collectives AFTER he posted that bootlicking bullshit. Methinks he has no clue what anarchism actually is.


They live in Asheville. Lots of permeability among fringe/subcultural types. I have no trouble believing this..
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:23 pm 
 

Posting for emphasis: if you look at a police shooting of a black guy when they could've just as easily pulled a taser and all you do is try to dig into the black guy's history, you are victim blaming. It's the same idea as sexual assault victims but replace that crime with (attempted) homicide. I don't care if the dude was high off his taint on Malaysian PCP. Due process is supposed to exist for a reason.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:05 pm 
 

Another murder by police? But we have more black people in commercials now, and Band-Aid offers multiple shades, and they pulled that one episode of the Mr. Show spinoff, and the NHL let Matt Dumba say that racism exists.

Those WERE the changes people were asking for, right?

Wilytank wrote:
Posting for emphasis: if you look at a police shooting of a black guy when they could've just as easily pulled a taser and all you do is try to dig into the black guy's history, you are victim blaming. It's the same idea as sexual assault victims but replace that crime with (attempted) homicide. I don't care if the dude was high off his taint on Malaysian PCP. Due process is supposed to exist for a reason.


Even a taser is excessive force most of the time. Remember that "don't tase me bro" video? And how everyone thought it was fucking hilarious for some reason? It wasn't.
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Inkshooter wrote:
Another murder by police? But we have more black people in commercials now, and Band-Aid offers multiple shades, and they pulled that one episode of the Mr. Show spinoff, and the NHL let Matt Dumba say that racism exists.

Those WERE the changes people were asking for, right?

They're even taking away Uncle Bens, for godssake! We tried nothing, and it didn't work!
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Wilytank wrote:
Posting for emphasis: if you look at a police shooting of a black guy when they could've just as easily pulled a taser and all you do is try to dig into the black guy's history, you are victim blaming. It's the same idea as sexual assault victims but replace that crime with (attempted) homicide. I don't care if the dude was high off his taint on Malaysian PCP. Due process is supposed to exist for a reason.


The message that cops need to stop shooting people is clearly not being given from up top. Shooting someone in the back seven times isn't "serving and protecting". Honestly, with how the last couple months have gone, as a cop, you should be terrified to pull your gun on someone. It should only be in a life or death situation and even then, you should still be paranoid to pull your gun.

The cops are not the good guys and don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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They burned down the Department of Corrections in Kenosha and spray painted 'are you listening yet?' on the wall: https://www.facebook.com/TheRealCoryHug ... 6560075250

This kind of shit is going to keep happening and it should. No more messing around. It's clear the cops are the enemy of everyone who isn't just falling in line blindly. They aren't there to help.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:47 am 
 

Isn’t TheStormIRide a cop? I’d love to hear what he thinks about all this.
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Here is an older video, 2014, that as an American really stuck with me back when I first saw it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd8ZTKU8csw

It shows Norwegian police helping a guy who is drunk in public despite how belligerent and combative he is. I recognize plenty of US police would have handled the situation the same, but the idea that police would get assaulted by a guy and be buddy-buddy with him about it still seems so foreign to me. Its really sad, you can see how much more productive the process was than charging a person with assault on an officer, resisting, and/or beating them up.

Also, its worth pointing out that plenty of police have been marching with protestors and support BLM, it should be more. While everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, even police, murder on video is enough to overcome that doubt.

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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Weird, because that says, "arrest warrant," not, "death warrant." Seems like the police in Kenosha aren't so good at the reading.


He didn't die, just to be clear.
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Subrick wrote:
Isn’t TheStormIRide a cop? I’d love to hear what he thinks about all this.

He left that job a few years ago.
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TheGrimWombat wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Weird, because that says, "arrest warrant," not, "death warrant." Seems like the police in Kenosha aren't so good at the reading.


He didn't die, just to be clear.

Yes - despite the cops' best effort.
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TheGrimWombat wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Weird, because that says, "arrest warrant," not, "death warrant." Seems like the police in Kenosha aren't so good at the reading.


He didn't die, just to be clear.


When a cop shoots a man seven times in the back at point blank range, they don't intend for the target to survive. Jacob Blake was extremely lucky he didn't die. Trayford Pellerin, on the other hand, was not so lucky in his encounter with the police.
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Subrick wrote:
TheGrimWombat wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Weird, because that says, "arrest warrant," not, "death warrant." Seems like the police in Kenosha aren't so good at the reading.


He didn't die, just to be clear.


When a cop shoots a man seven times in the back at point blank range, they don't intend for the target to survive. Jacob Blake was extremely lucky he didn't die. Trayford Pellerin, on the other hand, was not so lucky in his encounter with the police.


I wasn't there, so I don't pretend to know the intentions of the officer. I don't much like cops, myself...but I also don't like domestic abusers and sexual predators like Jacob Blake.
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Would it have taken an eighth bullet in a man's back for you to infer some intention here?

I fucking swear there is no victim saintly enough and no aggressor evil enough for racists. Blows my fuckin' mind.
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A question of Wombat: What did Blake do in that particular situation and moment that made him deserve to be shot seven times in the back at point blank range in front of his children? Give me an honest answer. His past doesn't count, because this isn't his past.
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It's even a bit ridiculous to think he was blessed or lucky to have not died. I don't know about you guys, but I'd take death any day over permanent paralysis.
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Yeah, again- the whole thing looked like it was straight out of a mob movie, like Al Pacino just sicked an Italian dude and is now going to take a long vacation at his grandfather's farm in Italy while the whole thing blows over.

I mean sure- there's two sides to every story, but the cop isn't Judge Dredd, he's a cop.

darkieningday wrote:
It's even a bit ridiculous to think he was blessed or lucky to have not died. I don't know about you guys, but I'd take death any day over permanent paralysis.


I hesitated to say this, but yeah- I'm with you on that. There's a whole lot worse things than death.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:40 am 
 

Akshually you guys what really matters about this story is how the guy was no angel, and also he technically didn't die, let's focus on the real details here

And not, you know, that he was shot in the back 7 times despite being unarmed and no threat, and that this is yet another example of police brutality and disproportionate violence against black men in America

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He wasn't unarmed, though?
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My bad:
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Blake appears to have told officers that he had a knife in his possession, the DCI said. Investigators later "recovered a knife from the driver's side floorboard" of Blake's vehicle and no other weapons were found, the agency said.

Clearly this changes everything. /s
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He was unarmed, Wombat. Eyewitnesses to the shooting all say he was unarmed when he was going back to his car. The knife in said car doesn't count as being armed.

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Incorrect, good sir. To racists, the most saintly victims are the whites and the evil aggressors are anybody that isn't white.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:13 am 
 

Tough crowd. I disagree at the amount of force used by the police, don't support the police, and agree that they are pawns of a state that no longer serves the people. Do I have to pick a side between a rapist and the police?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:25 am 
 

Or, ya know, you can realize that people are not their past. For someone who claims to be so anti-cop, you sure are doing a LOT of trying to justify them shooting this man for no reason.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:37 am 
 

Wombat, I assume you've got a bulletproof source on Blake being a convicted rapist?
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